Trannies and allies need not apply, I wanna hear from someone outside that sphere.I have reoccurring trans thoughts and there seems to be evidence backing them up but I'm really not sure. I keep getting told "no cis person thinks about this that much" or "cis men dont want to be women" or "you're going to regret it later and transition in your 40s and your family will hate you for it" and other stuff like that but I feel like I could just thug it out and enjoy what I have. On the flipside, if I can't have a wife and children as a man I see literally no point in letting testosterone fuck with my body. And also I'm not entirely sure I should have a kid, even if I became a great parent I'd be devastated if my kid was gay or trans or some nonsense, I wouldn't be able to live with it. Still though I don't see why I should care so much about my appearance, that feels pretty shallow doesn't it? I just don't want to troon out and suddenly be associated with every tranny ever and fuck up my dating pool tremendously.
>>34458159>do I troon outthis is not something we can say bro, it's in youif you're mentally ill enough to not be happy with your body, there is nothing we can do or advice, you'll either troon or kill yourself because you're not happy in your bodyor kill yourself after trooning because you're not happy with your body either waybut if you're not mentally ill there is literally 0 reason to troon outbut again look deep inside yourself
>>34458179I want compelling evidence or a breakthrough that will make me not want it anymore. What if I just rewire my brain to accept men age like shit? I wish I was still friends with chuds so they would tell me to snap out of it and treat me like a heroin addict who needs help.
I know you said trannies need not apply, but if you have any questions I'd be willing to answer them without any ideological framing or trying to tell you what you should or should not do.
>>34458159You're absolutely 100% being groomed by predators online. Testosterone does not "fuck with your body". It keeps you thin, and if you already have a hairless body at 18 you will continue to have a hairless body at 40. Taking estrogen, on the other hand, would cause you to age like garbage. It nukes your collagen production, causes wrinkles far earlier than you would have gotten them otherwise, and causes weight gain around the midsection. You'll look like an aging alcoholic in no time if you mess with estrogen.Just take good care of yourself, and if you want to crossdress, do it naturally. There are zero benefits to throwing off your natural balance of hormones and countless disadvantages to doing so.
>>34458159I am on 4chan dot network.Trooning out is almost always a really bad idea. You have to be really really certain and you probably aren't.
>>34458213I already know this is bullshit. My body hair is already coming in and I really fucking hate it. Also I welcome the weight gain, the fat distribution on HRT is another bonus to me. I will look into the wrinkles though.>>34458215I mean I've been thinking about this for awhile. I've already been on hrt for a week before. I know I want hrt. I just don't want the social repercussions and to possibly lose out on fatherhood.
>>34458159If you troon out, you will end up killing yourself. 81% of troons considered suicide, and for now, 42% have attempted. Think about it. You will constantly want to kill yourself and kill others. Just detox from parasites buddy, if you don't have parasites, do some hypnotic work to see when you were abused as a kid, cause the subconscious works in crazy ways, specially hiding painful things from you, and make you cope in crazy ways like trooning out.
>>34458234BTW, read these two pictures, if this won't make you change your mind, I don't know what to tell you
>>34458232It's not bullshit at all. I'm telling you from personal experience, as a professional crossdresser, that estrogen will ruin whatever good qualities you already possess. The weight gain will not be sexy. It'll collect around your gut and make you look like an old man with a beer gut. Trannies gaslight themselves into thinking the extra fat makes them more feminine, when in reality it just makes them look like sad blobs.
>>34458232>OMG I'm hairy thus I will cut my dick off and take med that will fuck my body permanentlyLOL, you're not a troon, just a retard. If you don't like being hairy, try some depilation, you know? You can use laser therapy or electrolysis. Let your hair grow, dress pretty, but don't let other dudes fuck your anus, please.
>>34458244Estrogen isn't even advertised as a way of preventing body hair, either. Not even the looniest groomer will make that claim, because it's obviously bullshit. Women still have to shave their legs, armpits and happy trails just like men do.
>>34458234Dude I already want to kill myself every single day. Sure it would suck dying and having my legacy be being a tranny.>>34458239I'm not such a dysgenic freak that I have ass worms and I'm never getting srs. None of these apply.>>34458240Not gonna discount your experience even if I suspect you're a larper. HRT is unpredictable I'll grant you that. But it's been fairly kind to 50-70% of the women I've interacted with and I have interacted with a lot. If it wasn't kind to them it's usually because they started too late.>>34458247Well yeah no shit, but at least it'll thin out and prevent it from getting thicker and darker.
>>34458254Stopped typing a little too early in that first reply. Yeah that would suck but I'll be dead anyways if I do kill myself. My suicidal thoughts and desire to put work into my body subside once I'm motivated to transition or be more effeminate.
>>34458254>None of these applyThat's what all these troons tell themselves. I'm telling you, you either got raped as a kid or you have worms, specially if you have that skinny fat look. Do what I told you, get rid of these parasites and do some inner work. Don't troon out, don't cut your dick, you will have to dilate yourself, nobody will love you, you will stink, there will be shit water coming out of you, you will be an utter mess. No technology can turn you into a woman.
>>34458260>My suicidal thoughts and desire to put work into my body subside once I'm motivated to transition or be more effeminate.Dude, WTF. Don't troon out, you will never be happy if you do, channel these emotions into painting and other stuff. Try checking testosterones levels too. You won't be happy if you cut your dick, you will never feel pleasure.
>>34458264>>34458269You retards I literally said I'm not getting srs. It's an option to keep your plumbing y'know. Also sorry I meant to say I actually want to put work into my body once I'm motivated to transition or be effeminate. Clearly I can't type today. Anyways I try and try to get creative projects going but there's no point if the second I out the brush or pen or whatever down I immediately want to kill myself.
>>34458254>But it's been fairly kind to 50-70% of the women I've interacted with and I have interacted with a lot."Fairly kind" is a lot to risk your own life for. Not to mention the fact that it's pretty obvious you neglected a control group. Have you interacted with any natural femboys and seen how much better they fared? I have never once in my life seen a twink or femboy age poorly in a way that made me think "man he should have gone on hormones". On the flipside, literally every tranny I've ever seen looks disgusting and ages terribly compared to how he could have looked if he had simply worked on himself naturally. You should also consider the fact that your perception is being warped by your fetish. What you deem tolerable will not be seen as attractive by anyone with an eye for beauty.>even if I suspect you're a larperI'm not. I've been crossdressing professionally for years, and I've had countless trannies try to indoctrinate me with the same bullshit fear tactics they've been using on you. They always tell me "you'll regret it when you turn 25", not realizing that I'm already in my 30's. Natural always ages best. Not only is estrogen an aging hormone, but it puts tons of stress onto a body that it doesn't belong in.
>>34458284I've interacted with femboys before and yeah they look good, but they're all in their early 20s. You can't sustain that past 25, if you can then great but I doubt me and many others will. I won't deny though, there are plenty of unfortunate looking trans women out there and my views are skewed because I can find some clockiness pretty endearing.
>>34458299Anyone can sustain it past 25, and even 35. Think about it logically. What's going to prevent it? Your skin only gets worse when you expose it to sunlight or do drugs. Your body hair doesn't change past your late teens. Your figure will stay exactly as it is unless you intentionally start lifting tons of weights or totally lose control of your diet. There is no factor about your appearance that's going to magically get worse unless you go out of your way to make it worse. The only realistic fear is balding, which estrogen absolutely does not help with and actually causes, and all of the other solutions like spiro, minoxidil and finasteride can be taken without going on hormones. You're letting irrational fears trick you into doing something irrational, and I hope you can see through it before you do something you're going to regret forever.
>>34458315Now I know you're retarded, estrogen absolutely helps prevent balding and I have been getting new body hair as I age and start to hit my mid 20s.
>>34458323>estrogen absolutely helps prevent baldingNo, it absolutely doesn't. DHT blockers do that. You should probably actually look into this stuff before making life altering decisions.
>>34458332I'll concede it doesn't do the job all by itself and you need an anti androgen or finastride. I'll certainly reread all the side effects and studies on estrogen a lot more before I do anything but I'm still leaning towards getting on it. Also you talk big game about how hot you are yet you haven't shown any proof. Let's see those pics.
Everyone's first impression of you will be that you have mental issues and will either avoid you or have some other weird babytalk. you won't even be able to fake it till you make it anymore. You can change your personality and attitudes very quickly by moving locations and interacting with completely different people. Those will probably be changes for the better given your situation. You are obligated to save yourself and do something with your life.People will act better towards you if you at least pretend to be stable, productive, social etc. Don't death spiral
>>34458159I have trooned and detrooned and yes it massively fuck up your dating pool unless you are a total degen bottom feeder. A str8 wife and kids is the actual right decision. Just be a good example and your kid wont fag out
>>34458209Judas
>do I troon outThe answer should never be yes. The entire post should end after that sentence.
>>34458213Do this
>>34458790My parents were good to me and I turned out like this. Anyways would you mind sharing a bit about what made you transition and where you think you went wrong?
