I think the roughest part about this is that most people i know dont have to go through with this but to me its basically required. I have to accept i will forever be alone and that im not human while no one else, including molesters, rapists and abusers have to. I am apparently such a hell i am worse than any of those to women. It makes me really hate women for that, because i had so much potential to be someone really cool but after 15+ years of rejection and lessons in their bullshit i ended up becoming a bitter and hateful person.

Currently i am dealing with possibly some sort of trauma from seeing prostitutes in my early 20s, and being robbed twice from scams from seeing them, and catching an std 2 times, and all this other shit i never wanted to engage in because at the end of the day i just wanted to be with one woman, for life. I never wanted to sleep around. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about my past. But women basically forced me to go down that road because they universally decided no, im not good enough. All of them. How is it possible to be that bad? I cant even conceive of it. Its mindboggling really. I just cant get that feeling out of my head.

This is something basically half of men today are going through. There isn't a fix.

>>34466861
>>34466924
>no one else
There are quite a few people, men and women in the exact same situation. It might even make you feel worse, that you don't even get to be special in your misery.

I just got out of a 4 year relationship in which I was basically a beta buxx. This woman wasn't super attractive or anything. But as a very lonely man it made me happy to have her around and take her on dates/trips. We had sex occasionally but nothing even close to what I wanted. Now I'm 34 and basically getting ready for a long life alone, with that depressing experience being the only taste I got of a normal life. So yea my life is pretty depressing too.

Why not just focus on making money? Then you can spend it on prostitutes. That's one of my fall back plans if nothing better comes around. There is still plenty to do in this world. But the jealously is always going to be there for us. We will never be truly happy unless we somehow lose the ability to care, but that won't happen.

>>34469188
>Why not just focus on making money? Then you can spend it on prostitutes.
You can get a Quest 3 for $500. Having all the sex you want doesn't fix anything. Having a relationship doesn't fix anything either. There is no happiness to be found in the opposite sex, they are there for reproduction.

>>34466861
The purpose of life is having kids and not all this gay bullshit you faggily fell for
>no hookups, no dates, no love
>going on dates, and cuddling, and kissing

>seeing prostitutes in my early 20s, and being robbed twice from scams from seeing them, and catching an std 2 times, and all this other shit i never wanted to engage in
And yet you still did, more than once even. Retard. If it was a one-time thing, sure, to demystify the built-up overhyped "sex" colosseum pedestal. But uh, that didn't sound like a one-time thing, did it. STI-riddled manwhore.

>>34469188
>Why not just focus on making money? Then you can spend it on prostitutes
You're gonna wageslave away just to pay some thot to open their legs. Lol. And that's 1 way our currency becomes worth less and less and less and less these days.

>>34469567
>And yet you still did

Escorts arent dates retard, its not the same at all. Driving an hour to go to someones hotel room and fucking while a clock ticks down isnt a date and isnt equal to what you would get with a normal girl. I did it multiple times because it made me feel human. All the STDs im cured of btw, i knew it because i got tested.

> If it was a one-time thing, sure, to demystify the built-up overhyped "sex" colosseum pedestal. But uh, that didn't sound like a one-time thing, did it

Like i said, it made me feel human, it felt like the final piece i was always missing in life, but its always fleeting, and very very expensive and risky. Eventually i learned to really hate it. I just want a normal woman like i always did and the older i get the more i wish i could have it. It fucks with me on why im considered so so bad.

>>34469188
>Why not just focus on making money? Then you can spend it on prostitutes.

Prostitutes absolutely fucking suck. I could go on a multi-paragraph rant on why they suck but where i live they are entitled, shit service, clock watching, ugly, scamming and over all terrible. Not only that i dont want to have to schedule seeing one three days in advance when i am wanting a hug now. With a gf you can just text her and more than likely she can come over and you can cuddle and watch a movie or something. Im not even that horny really, i can easily have sex once a month at absolute most and be happy. On a rough day i just want someone to hold, that is basically it. When i have a stressful day im wanting someone to hold and kiss on the forehead to recharge me. With a prostitute most of the time kissing isnt even allowed for under $500/hr and even after that price point it still isnt. They dont hide they hate you.

"oh but arguments, oh but what if she bitches you out and makes you more stressed" let me live it and decide. Clearly if men in countries where its legal are still getting into relationships women must bring something more to the table than a hooker.

>>34469709
>Escorts arent dates
Never said they were.

You said
>all this other shit i never wanted to engage in
I said
>And yet you still did

I see no logical inconsistency.

>I did it multiple times because it made me feel human.
Sure, and do you still feel human? Clearly not given your post. So it failed to do what you intended for it to do.

>I just want a normal woman
So do the steps it takes to get a "normal woman". Rather than a prostitute. And watch yourself still not feel human after obtaining it.

As said, kids or bust

>>34469937
I misunderstood you, my apologies.

>So do the steps it takes to get a "normal woman". Rather than a prostitute. And watch yourself still not feel human after obtaining it.

Possibly, the reasons why a prostitute didnt permanently solve it is because a prostitute isnt permanent. The problem was solved for like a month, then my brain realized that was actually gone, so im back to the inhuman phase as i realized i constantly have to basically restart the cycle over and over again in a constant treadmill to feel human. Also the point of my question isnt "how to feel human". Its "how to live without women since it seems like everything is wildly against me?" Im sick of hating women for this ridiculously brutal judgement they forced on me for basically no reason.

>>34469983
I should add to it missing out on this and basically being forced to go to escorts as a way to cope really did a number on both my bank account and self esteem and trust in women. The fantasies i had were murdered for extremely mundane reasons that i feel like i was judged far far too harshly for. It really eats up at me throughout the day and when i try to sleep that i somehow was worse than a majority of guys somehow. That i somehow lack the thing that made them human, even if flawed, while i only seemed to have flaws.

Like i had a friend who is a woman complain to me about her ex, and its funny because i eventually became friends with her even though i tried asking her out at first(she was a friend of a friend) and then learned enough about her we eventually became just friends(shes a basketcase im glad she didnt say yes) but while shes talking about how bad this guy was, his balding head, his fat body, his lack of motivation, his bo, his whatever, im sitting here thinking, "you guys broke up 5 times, you said yes to him, 5 times, you couldnt say yes to me once, where does that put me?" at the end of the day i realized subconsciously she views me as 5x lower than this guy who she apparently views lowly too. Then that made me think huh, what does the average woman think, the normal sane woman think, about me? Im probably 100x below their worst ex in their mind. And the idea i am that hated, and that disrespected, pisses me off. Makes me immediately hope their rights get taken away, which isnt practical nor really a healthy thought but when you are judged so badly and incorrectly for a decade at least thoughts like that occur.

>>34469983
Well you're asking the wrong question then. Maybe hatred is the correct and hecking valid and rational response in this scenario. You're better off asking how to be human instead

In which the answer is still, kids or bust

If you're looking for "love", kids are the "binding molecules", both as a pre-selection (somebody who wants kids with you proves their "love" for you passed a threshold that signifies longevity and non-fraudulent/ulterior motives), and post-selection (having kids with someone likely keeps you together due to the shared nature of the decision/responsibilities)

Everything falling short of that has not enough "love" in it. Unless it's pure charity stuff like animal sheltering or helping victims or whatever

>>34470037
How am i going to have kids if i cant get a woman and it seems like they are always against me in some way? Like even if by some miracle i got some woman pregnant she would probably abort it or i wouldnt allowed to see it or some other bullshit.

>>34470012
Hey, people are absolute retards, women especially. It's not wrong to feel angry about it. That woman you talked to is probably super retarded, but the logical fallacy you've made is generalising her behaviour onto all other women, as if women are a monolith. I mean yeah they are, but there are also plenty of exceptions to the rule if you look hard enough.

>escorts as a way to cope really did a number on both my bank account and self esteem and trust in women.
Of course it did, they somehow swindled $1500 or whatever out of you, just for them to separate their two legs for a few hours. Meanwhile, someone somewhere gets paid $15 to break their back to build something they'll eventually have to pay rent to use.

>>34470077
No kids? No woman. Ez

>>34470083
>but there are also plenty of exceptions to the rule if you look hard enough.

Any exception is going to be taken already, thats something ive learned, and with how young genz women are i cant really date down in age. I can try, but will have limited success. Not only that i am now too beaten down to really form a relationship, havent tried in like five years, the desync between me and women is so high i cant even fairly nor properly judge myself because to me what they like is the opposite of what i assume a normal person would like. Im assuming they still view me as even further below human. And when i am looking for relaxation at the end of the day from them thats kinda a huge problem. I also feel like im not allowed to really be in society if im being forced to be single for, again, absolutely bullshit reasons.

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>>34466861
too much thinky not enough fucky
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxacX72snA&pp=0gcJCdQKAYcqIYzv

>>34470122
Not allowed to fuck due to modern day bullshit. If i was alive 20 years prior i wouldnt be having these problems 100%.

>>34470111
>Im assuming they still view me as even further below human
If someone views you like that, you view them even lower. That's how it's done

But anyway your assumptions may or may not be wrong; only thing to do really is confirm/disprove them and the only way to do that is to try

>>34466861
I'm 42 and having plenty of hookups and dates, and I'm not an 8 or something, you people will blame every single external factor there is before looking at your particular circumstances
maybe (most probably) your unbearable to talk to, maybe you're ugly beyond repair and age has nothing to do with it, maybe your genetics make you age like shit
its most probably the first one tho, I've seen the pics you guys upload from time to time and you guys are always 5s, very much in range to get a cute 6 if you were not whiny and trying to blame everyone and anyone except trying to change yourselves.

>>34470139
I never blamed it on my looks. Re-read my post. I blamed women for judging me far too harshly. Not going to engage with you further if you are going to give me a generic response like that.

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>>34470185
then go to sleep retard

>>34470160
it's not your looks, it's your attitude and you're running away from the main thesis of my comment, it's you. not your appearance, not your age, not "modern day society".
you
you gotta change, you gotta adapt, you gotta become a better person, you gotta stop blaming others and taking responsibility
but you're not going to do that and instead fall for the next pill that blames anything and everything except you

I went 30 virgin years, I can go 30 more. The illusion was nice, but ultimately a lesson in what will and won't sustain this life of mine. Women are uneccesary for anything good in this world.

What do you think women have that they can gift you you can't gift yourself? Pussy? Getting off can be done alone, and risk free. Connection? With modern women? Don't make me laugh. By now you know as well as the rest of us how heartless and inhuman they truly are. So why do you long for a hollow shell of man? You need no "reason" to go on. The sun will rise tomorrow, even if the moon were to fall to earth. It does not rise to meet it's puny imitation.

>>34470192
Dont care about fixing myself, tried that for a decade and failed, this is me forever. Women need to change if they want me back in the market, if not, i need to find a way to live without them. The years of being alone has done such a toll on me theres no way to make it all up, all the things i did to cope with it, all the suffering for nothing. I tried, and it didnt work. So now im going a different route. Just, what is the best route now that ive abandoned women?

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>>34470192
NTA but:
>"bro you just gotta fundementally change your entire personality and be le better man to get some pussy"
seriously, dude? lmfao

>>34470192
Furthermore there are significantly worse guys than me who have families and multiple partners. Ive known so many women who have given years of their lives to guys even more whiney and bitchy than me, and guys who have beat the piss out of them physically too. Im sure to you though i am somehow worse than that. Its why i refuse to "improve" for them. If im bad to a woman, they deserve it, because thats who they give the most to, its who they chase after actually. Bums, deadbeats, abusers, whatever, they love that shit. I cant be worse than that to them.

>>34470203
>What do you think women have that they can gift you you can't gift yourself?

Comfort mainly. Every time ive cuddled its felt like a battery in my chest has been refilled. Maybe energy wise im just empty, but when i say human i mean in the sense i feel like a full person again instead of some draugr wandering the world. I can go without sex forever, i just need any physical contact so it keeps me grounded in the world.

I agree with the rest of what you said and i have given up on them long ago, i just miss the comfort and decompression and havent figured out how to do that without another person.

>>34470213
>BE A BETTER MAN TO GET PUSSY BRO

Thats how i knew i was talking to someone 40+ lmao, times have changed a LOT. Modern women deserve what boomer women got plus more. They deserve like the most aggressive islam at this point at a minimum. Being a good person doesnt help, it doesnt get you brownie points or anything, if anything it actually hurts you. In his day a woman was a normal person, in our day most of them are on birth control, SSRIs and whatever other cocktails since they were 12. Their brains are COOKED. Its a different game entirely.

>>34470213
if you're a bad person, yes.
for most normal people it only takes a tweak or two, better hygiene or better fashion sense, small stuff
if none of those worked on you
well you gotta change some serious stuff in you
no one said it was easy for everyone.

>>34470229
I get with 20yo all the time as a 42, I've always found it funny that people say "in your times it was easy, nowadays it's nightmare mode no respawn"
girls are the same nowadays
easier because I have more experience and money.

>>34470239
>if you're a bad person, yes.

Dude bad people get laid more tf are you talking about lmao

>for most normal people it only takes a tweak or two, better hygiene or better fashion sense, small stuff

I see dude who look like ass every day with women, most guys dress like shit, most guys have bare minimum hygiene.

>if none of those worked on you

If you werent getting it already its probably 100+ things wrong with you and you need to move on, in my case, this was it. Its why i am moving on, but struggling due to not knowing how to fully decompress without another person. I also fantasize a lot about the excitement of being with someone im not paying to be with me and doing stupid shit with them. Those are my main hangups. I stopped persuing, i stopped asking girls out, i stopped giving a shit about them, no woman noticed, i dont care, i just want to be rid of these fantasies and wants, then ill be done with that gender that decided to abandon me.

>>34470241
Well yeah with money dude i got laid as well lmao every woman is a whore. Just look at the stats, for the average guy it is, im the below average guy, its even worse for me. Regardless you getting laid doesnt affect me, i am not asking for advice to go back to women or attract women, i am asking advice on accepting that its over. I dont care if "it isnt actually over" im throwing in the towel, im done with them. Im making it 100% over. I will live a celibate lifestyle and only speak to women as friends at best since that seems to be the best course of action for a guy in my situation. I have no other choice you have no idea. I am as dead certain about this as the sky being blue and the sun being hot.

>to things out of your control
Liar.

>>34470331
OK.

You clearly do not want a girlfriend. Stop whining.

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>>34466861
I'm like you but 23. Been on only two dates that led nowhere and have only had sex with hookers. I have abs and am very /fit/ but my face is very ugly. I have a cat that makes me happy. I do a lot of drugs and make my own alcohol so I'm also pretty much never sober. I spend most of my time coding and doing maths. It's not so bad.

I do think tolerating a life of loneliness necessitates sexual detachment. I guess you could call it being a monk. Ultimately, I've given up on that aspect of life and I think that there are greater pleasures/experiences/pursuits than pumping the gnarly snatch of a woman.

>>34470609
No shit, I want to detach myself from the earthly want of romantic human attachment. To me a woman is stress relief that was made unbelievably expensive for no reason. I believe if I had one I could achieve and experience far more and far deeper things in life but since it's so out of my control(you can't force someone to like you and women go by group think hardcore so if one doesn't like you 100 don't either. The ones that break group think are severely mentally ill)

>>34470850
When I was younger than 18 I used to have girls who had crushes on me. Which is bizarre to think about and tells me things weren't always so fucked. I think once the internet became a thing and the drugs and brainwashing became a thing they really really started to hate young men like Pic related. We are seen as the worst of the absolute worst. I try not to self medicate with drugs because 99% of the time it has side effects that outweigh the benefits. I agree there's better pleasures of sex, and my problem is I could live without sex, I want to experience love, a thing I can't pay for. I also have fantasies of having a family which again, can't really be simulated. I feel like a fucking loser for being basically the only man in my family that struggles with this so much

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>>34471156
Idk why that photo didn't attach

I've been trying to get closer to God and find a more fulfilling reason to live personally, I hope that the physical desires will leave after with emotional and spiritual fulfillment

>>34466861
>cope
you don't, you simply live with the pain until you die

>>34471234
Ive been trying to get close to God too but whenever i try to go to church it just feels like i dont belong there, im not welcome there, etc. I feel like i dont even deserve Gods love at this point. I just hope for total obliteration but unfortunately it seems like hell isnt like that.

>>34470185
It was always my bad, but my dreams faded with time. Became an adult needing to work a jawb to pay for my own ass. I make more running a production line than I ever would with something creative. Not ideal really.

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>>34466861
theres churches with programs for single people and they're wildly successful they even pay for the wedding

>>34471156
>I also have fantasies of having a family
I know that feel. Used to have recurring dreams of having a wife and then I'd wake up and want to kms - but then I'd remember the realities of modern dating and it's very sobering. We are so conditioned nowadays to seek novelty, extreme sexual gratification and selfishly optimize our lives that there's increasingly less incentive to sustain a long-term monogamous relationship. Most are simply doomed nowadays - a good chance a lot of them end in cheating or divorce rape.

One other thought that helps is that women are kind of gross and a lot have hygiene issues and stinky breath/puss.

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>>34466861
It is difficult to overstate just how much psychological damage occurs in the young mind in never experiencing love when it was supposed to. It creates invisible but ever present and outwardly manifesting psychological wounds that may heal over time, but never disappear. It is a lifelong crippling of the mind, affecting things like confidence, self-esteem, healthy thought processes, and inability to cope with the difficulties in life in a healthy way. It breeds attitudes of perpetual envy and anger and depression. Especially when said individuals are constantly bombarded by images and media of people having lived their best life while they missed out and can never experience, ever. Because time is only linearly forward.

A means to try and "heal the mind" which has already happened for many who have resigned themselves to apathy and quiet resentment, but it doesn't remove the scar. The scar is always there. Always present. And it will always serve as a reminder, and always influence future thoughts and decisions and actions.

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Live with it and become the better version of myself. The train don't stop until I reach my destination.

>>34474720
Agree with what you said and its why i think by the age of 25 if it hasnt happened the damage the lack of its caused is basically irreversible and permanent for life. For me its even worse because on top of the rejection and loneliness for no reason i also have spent thousands of dollars on prostitutes and had sex with people i really didnt want to have sex with but felt i needed to to feel human. In fact i recently got a happy ending massage and already feel 10x better than when i started this topic its insane. My body craves it, so badly, but for only me, and only me, its considered too big of a demand. Its the most boggling thing to me, and the thing i probably will never understand about women is why i was judged and still am judged to violently and aggressively. It makes no sense to me, and i just ride on the fact the average woman is 20 iq points lower than me and also is on so many drugs and ssris they probably cant think straight at all. Its like asking a mental patient to make a choice, no shit they are going to make really dumb ones.

But, now, at nearly 30 i have done enough shit and am bad enough now that i have a reason for them to reject me. I now feel theres examples for why. These didnt really exist tell i was 25. So before that age they really didnt have any reasons, it was just basically a personal attack against me every fucking day tell i was forced to do things i regret just to cope. If they offered me what they offer literally every other dude, none of it would have happened and i would be normal and happy now.

>>34474685
For me it just sucks because i know the person i could be is locked behind depression and loneliness. It just rips all potential away from you, it just ruins everything. Its one massive inescapable mass that swallows everything. And the fix to it is locked behind some of the worst women to ever exist in human history. Currently my only fixes is either taking a very long expensive vacation, or seeing escorts which as it currently stands if i want to see a good one i have to drive 3-4 hours one way to see them because none in my state are good or worth the money. Its not at all what i want out of life. But when im shown time and time again i have no chance, i feel i have no other choice. Women dont care either, they dont deal with this problem and any problem they do deal with they feel is worse than what men deal with so they arent even willing to potentially hear out the other side on how much pain they are causing. They just do, and ignore.

>>34470213
This is what the Jews actually believe.

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>>34466861
On the same boat. Feel like a gaping hole of need that just gets spat in by foids. Longing for a kind of love that doesn't exsist.

>>34473545
>I feel like i dont even deserve Gods love at this point
No such thing, just keep strong in prayer and keep going at it. You have to find the sort of love that's greater than eros and find validation as a person that isn't based on womens' (frankly insane) standards.

>>34476978
and its contradicting to anyone who has spent more than an hour outside. No man is perfect, no man reached his peak, hell, even his best, before he met his girlfriend or wife or whatever. But apparently im supposed to believe i have to go above and beyond to get to where most guys get with minimal effort? Fuck you. I refuse to improve for a woman. If im not good enough for them im taking it as a personal attack because they said yes to 10x worse than me multiple times and in their absolute prime. I am entitled to a woman like all guys are entitled, the difference is i dont get it, they do. Only difference.

>>34477251
Its extremely difficult. When youve hated yourself for so long its hard to ask for love when you havent sacrificed anything.

>>34466861
Avoidance and clinging both will punish you
I accept what I am given

>>34470139
>5 male getting a 6 female
Idk what country you're from, but you sound delusional as fuck. I am not OP, but I am a 30 y/o white American that's 5'7" (not overweight or anything either) and my dating prospects are below bottom of the barrel (like obese single moms or older women who want relationships, not hookups.) To even get a woman around my age who has decent qualities, I literally have to resort to third-world women (and even then, I have to wade through a lot of shit.) Dating for most men in 2026 is beyond fucked.

>>34466924
>women basically forced me to go down that road because they universally decided no, im not good enough. All of them. How is it possible to be that bad?
Women are organically attracted to the top 15% or so of men (so 3/20, or 1.5/10). Consider that this also includes celebrities since we're saturated in media.
You end up with about 85% of males being naturally undesirable and needing to "make it up" with things other than attraction (attraction meaning the woman being with them for who they are rather than what they can offer) or not making it up with other things and being invisible

There is a silver lining in that you're compelled to live a risker life and you have time to devote yourself to other things

>>34467649
There is. But those who put women on an unreasonable pedestal will never permit it. They hold the power and will not allow things to go back to the way they were.

>>34466861
80% of women are trash for you. That's how it is. Luckily, 80% of men are also trash.

Dating is a numbers game. Get on the apps and knock on doors. If you don't like them stop talking to them. Most important thing you can do is confidently keep trying. Every win no matter how small makes the next win easier. Good luck.

>>34470012
It could also be that she views you as higher than her and doesn't want to hurt you, while she gets to self-trash psychopathically in a way that makes her feel free with the other guy. Women have psychopathic behaviour too where they'll be involved in depraved/wrong behaviour on purpose because it makes them free, they just do it as a recipient/passive allower

>>34470139
People don't want to have to jester themselves into what a woman finds attractive

>>34470192
Implying that a person is guaranteed victory is as delusional as implying that they're guarantee defeat
At most, relatively speaking, we're guaranteed attempt

>>34470204
Leave your heart open to love, but don't compromise

>>34470224
I think women tend to like people who live according to their own true north. Which can include addicts, abusers etc. since they're living in their own way, willing to break rules, and, in the case of someone like an abuser or an addict, singlemindedly devoted to something, even if it's a particular drug or being a piece of shit

>>34470224
Whatever the solution, I don't think *expecting* women to give it to you is a good idea

>>34470213
It's like that joke about "I've seen what pussy do to a mfer"

>>34474720
The only solution I have is to love or hate with zero hope of reciprocation

>>34477647
The problem is with this theory is that i regularly, every single day in fact, meet dudes who are very much not chads and very much are in a relationship. In fact dedicated relationships. My theory is that if you find a girl young, like before the age of 21, you can get her to agree to some dumbass shit. It seems like every dude over than like 25 is struggling so the rest of what youve said is true. I just meet so many guys that should be alone and arent, and i wonder what the deal is. What they did differently. Why they dont have to go through what i have to go through.

>>34477698
On dating apps no woman wants to talk to me, at least as of like 2-3 years ago last time i tried, and irl its basically the same way. I dont want to jester in front of a woman who doesnt give a shit and just views me as a number. In my younger days i could do it but nowadays i dont care, its done. I am too jaded at this point. I am prepared to move on and im getting tired of using escorts for emotional regulation

>>34477795
dating apps aren't for talking. dating apps are essentially ads for both parties to move to some sort of other way to talk or interact. If you want a good example of what it is like, its like trying to sell a car on craigslist. Tons of tire kickers and flakes combined with a few decent offers and people who will look the car up and down then decide if they want to buy and write the check.

If you are at the point of just going to hookers it wouldn't hurt to try the "want sum fuk" approach on dating apps and getting a few free pussy runs. Certainly you can also try and find the hookers or women who will take money for sex from their dating site ads (Believe me, there are more than a few whores on there).

>>34477817
I get no matches on dating apps. Or at least none that wasnt clear the person just accepted all to clear their matches because i would message and nothing would ever get sent back. It got to the point i was just sending crashout messages to get a response and usually i would just get ignored or unadded.

>if you are at the point of just going to hookers it wouldn't hurt to try the "want sum fuk" approach on dating apps and getting a few free pussy runs

Oh you sweet summer child if you think i could do that and still see hookers you have no idea the depths of hell i occupy.

>Certainly you can also try and find the hookers or women who will take money for sex from their dating site ads

Yeah ive seen them too, scammers mainly, the ones who arent are willing to fuck for no less than $2000/hr. I remember talking to an onlyfans girl i met at a renaissance and that almost became something but eventually it devolves into maybe fucking her for $600 but then she apparently got raped by some dude at a sex party(i bet no one else at this sex party had to pay to do anything to her, funny how that works lol) and she went quiet for months and it just died entirely. She became extremely hateful and distrustful of men after that. Another case of a woman ruined by 25.

>>34477858
if its that bad idk what to say.

I'd still try it, it sucks but AI can make it easier to deal with the crap luck. I also put a ton of effort into find a potential wife at 21 because I could see how bad things were getting and realized that if I wanted to not be foreveralone I had to act decisively. 33 now.

>>34474753
This guy was a slayer btw
Not sure why you're posting him

>>34477887
Its bad enough i tried for a decade and the only thing i had to show for it was being offered to join a polycule and getting cheated on by another girl less than two weeks into the relationship and that was when i was 17. The polycule was when i was 20. Passed that its been no luck at all, only hookers, if i didnt pay for hookers i would get hugged about 1 time per year on a good year. I dress normally, i shower daily, i even wear nice colognes(or deodorant at a minimum) and have an active life. It doesnt matter. It doesnt ever matter.

>I also put a ton of effort into find a potential wife at 21 because I could see how bad things were getting and realized that if I wanted to not be foreveralone I had to act decisively.

I also did the same thing between 20-25, except it was re-correcting my life, not being broke, not being unhealthy, not being alone, not being whatever. I wanted to be someone, and i failed, entirely. Or made small gains that over all didnt matter. At the end of the day its too late now for a woman to show up, too much has happened to me to accept her, they should have shown up 5-10 years ago at a minimum. Now i want to learn how to live with what i got and be happy.

>>34477907
Hes my idol

>>34477695
there isn't, 60% of all men ever born throughout history never bred. You were just fed a fairy tale by society and your parents.
Pussy belong to Chad now that the social contract is broken.
Sorry

>>34478415
So that's true if we are talking about pre Christian pre modern society because people died a shitload. Child mortality was crazy high. 61% of men have kids currently. Meaning that tell extremely recently and even in some countries it is a very common and normal thing to expect for the past 200-300 years. I still meet a massive amount of men who again are not Chad's raising families, the problem is for some guys women feel it necessary to go absolutely overkill against them and there's basically nothing you can do about it. Any flaw you have she let a guy fuck her brains out with. It's bullshit, complete bullshit, and it's why I think me and everyone in this thread was entitled to a chance that they never properly got.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/mens-fertility.html

>>34466861
I have had more action in my 30s than my teens and 20s put together.