[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/adv/ - Advice

Name
Options
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.
  • AdBlock users: The default ruleset blocks images on /adv/. You must disable AdBlock to browse /adv/ properly.
  • Are you in crisis? Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at +1 (800) 273-8255.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]


[Advertise on 4chan]


File: online argument.png (63 KB, 409x411)
63 KB PNG
So I found this Instagram comment saying that Medieval Europeans killed cats en masse, which helped the spread of the black death. This was from this anti-colonial reel talking about how Europeans destroyed nature and indigenous societies had scientific advancements before Europeans. For the record this commenter claims to own a degree in medieval studies, but I honestly just see them as a white man bad/other civilizations good echo chamber.

Now, I'm not a big history nerd, but one of the things that I am passionate about is debunking misconceptions of the Middle Ages. Not to the extent that I deny of the existence of a dark age. One of those points is the idea of the fact that they killed cats en masse in suspicion of witchcraft, due to a decree that Pope Gregory IX established. There's many reasons why I think this is bull, but I won't waste time and just provide this link: https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2019/11/05/were-cats-really-killed-en-masse-during-the-middle-ages/.

Unfortunately, when I pointed this out, it didn't really convince them. Instead they point out the lack of literacy among peasants, the idea that the Black Death affected Europe the most (ignoring West Asia and China), Europeans were still anti-nature and unsanitary, and a couple other condescending points that I don't think convinced me.

Do you have any points I can use? Is it worth continuing the argument? Should I just accept defeat and the possibility that they're right since they more credibility? Should I just drop it? The issue is that their comment is still in my notification, so it will be seen as a sign that I joined an argument and forfeit. It seems that no matter who is right or wrong, you never win in online arguments. I don't need comrades nor will I post links here.
>>
>>34468290
the issue here is that i'm not exactly good at debating, and the other commentator just narrated some random anti-white sentiments (ie. stuff like we age better than you)

should i continue this debate, or is it a waste of time, energy, and sanity?
>>
>>34468290
>It seems that no matter who is right or wrong, you never win in online arguments.
There you go.
>>
>>34468290
>Any advice regarding an online argument?
No point engaging with them. Generally nobody is doing them in good faith.
>>
>>34468294
if anyone wants i can provide full details of argument w/o providing identities or links, but for now i'm trying to walk away from my shame
>>
>>34468301
>>34468311
one thing that i learned about debates is that you don't just change someone else's mind
only they choose to do it themselves
>>
>>34468290
>Should I just accept defeat and the possibility that they're right since they more credibility?
Yes.
>Should I just drop it?
Yes.
>>
>>34468290
>Any advice regarding an online argument?
Log off.
>>
>>34468290
>Do you have any points I can use? Is it worth continuing the argument?
No, they don't care about the truth, they just want to virtue signal. It's pointless.
>>
>>34468433
>Yes.
Except that they are wrong. And no credentials will change that.

OP, don't care about these people, civilization is a product of the native European, most of these people didn't even enter the bronze age or discover the wheel.
>>
>>34468290
The more I hang around certain societies, the more I understand why Europeans enforced theirs. We are just the superior society. All these fucking cultures that can't even have a conversation without screaming at each other, have low impulse control and resort to yelling frequently and to escalation, and totally normalized violence and the abusive treatment of one another - those societies need to be contained in their own respective spaces, but I totally understand why back then europeepees thought they should be exterminated. These people are hardly different than animals. They don't have the same respect, civility, efficiency, high trust, warmth, love, and RESPECT (YES I SAID IT TWICE) THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR ONE ANOTHER!!!!!

HAPPY FUUUCKING KINGS DAAAAYYY

TUUTUTU DU DU DUUU
TUTUDUDU DUUUUU
>>
>>34468290
Who cares.

Everyone was dumb back then, with a few smart people noticing the dumbness and making progress/advancing from the dumbness. Regardless of race.
>>
>>34468290
you cant argue with someone who just wants to believe anything to justify hating someone or being racist, it sucks a lot because i also have this huge urge to call out bs but its pointless
>>
>>34468290
Just lay out the facts and let them speak for themselves. Your goal isn't to change his mind, but to change the minds of impartial observers. He isn't impartial and he's not capable of being impartial, so nothing he thinks or does matters. There's no sense in trying to convince somebody who's committed to his own ignorance, but correcting his error in public view for others to see is a good deed that rewards itself. Just don't get personally invested. State the facts and leave them at that. Truth has its own motivity and it doesn't need you to personally guard it.
>>
>>34468290
I blame the cats
>>
>>34468290
how would cats have prevented jews from poisoning the wells?



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.