I decided not to ask about it and delude myself into thinking she was a virgin before me. I found out that she was not, and I cannot say I am surprised since we are both mid-20s & out of college. She is looking for something serious, and I am also to the extent that the girl meets my standards, including being a virgin before me.I have probably been on /adv/ making posts about virgins for 5+ years. It is my hill to die on, in all honesty. I otherwise just see myself going the redpill route, never marrying and just jumping from girl to girl. It's not my preference. Society has just deteriorated so much that I cannot even get what every male was guaranteed 50+ years ago. Do I just join a religious cult? I do have a mormon ward near me, but I wouldn't want my kids raised in it.
>>34473005This is why in the old days marriages were arranged b4 birthYour only choice now is to date a 5 year old since everybody knows zommers start puberty at 6 n start doing it at 7
>>34473037I am just surprised by the number of guys who are okay with the dicks of multiple men having gone into their future wive. How does a mind get so warped to find this acceptable? Even arab princes, after fooling around with sluts, require that their wives are virgins. This was the expectation all men had --- it's even documented among the pre-christian romans.
>>34473047They just dont think abt dicks i guess. >Even arab princes, after fooling around with sluts, require that their wives are virgins. Yeah if ur an arab prince then itd be real easy to find a virgin 2b ur wife.R u an arab price? R u rich?
>>34473047>This was the expectation all men had --- it's even documented among the pre-christian romans.We don't live in those times anymore. You are basically a boomer.
>>34473161Thats unfair to boomers
>>34473047Not all cars in the used market are objectively bad. There are a variety of factors, how many previous owners, lightly used, well maintained. Just find a nice example and maybe it will bring you more happiness than you ever thought it would.
>>34473005>has sex outside of marriage>is shocked and saddened that she did exactly the same thing with other guysI am so fucking sick of you delusional retards
>>34473005Bro chasing standards he isn't willing to meet himself
>>34473005Nah demoralization campaign. I am her first
>>34473005>I have probably been on /adv/ making posts about virgins for 5+ years. It is my hill to die on, in all honesty.These are the people I share a board with... 5 years of your life you could have used to "score" a virgin you instead used to make posts about virgins on 4chan. Ok>>34473047>Even arab princes, after fooling around with sluts, require that their wives are virginsYou're not an arab prince of the ruling class, are you. Beggars can't be choosers.>This was the expectation all men hadIt was also an expectation all men had that the sun and all planets revolved around the earth and that leeches sucking blood out of you cured infectious diseases. Just because something is historical doesn't make it correct.>okay with the dicks of multiple men having gone into their future wiveAnd females should be okay with the vaginas of multiple women having gone around their future husband?
>>34473511Nah. You are the one wastuig time and energy bring a creep with your manipulative LARP
Her arsehole should at least be tight. You'll have to settle with that muddy poopchute.
>>34473047Simple. The women don't think about how many vainas you have been in. Well ot depends. But also most people aren't looking for virgins because they aren't virgins themselves. Its fucking stupid to go out and expect virgins if you aren't one. The only people who can expect virgins are other virgins. >árab princesYeah guess what? They are complete weirdos too anyways. And you aren't rich or a prince.
>>34473005>what every male was guaranteed 50+ years ago.The only reason more women were virgins back then is because there was no easily available and reliable method of contraception.
>>34473005if you're not getting married with a church you're going to fail regardless in the first place it'll make zero difference and what is the issue are you a virgin?
>>34473005you are a hypocrite, since you are likely no virgin yourself and even if you are, say you would just go from girl to girlobviously 25 yo girls (mid 20s) arent virgins, literal bullshit in your brainyes you absolutely should go into a cult, its where you belongthe reason you didnt get a virgin is because you are an incel who copes, you could never get teenage love and now are just a frustrated incel bastard hypocrite
>>34473047>Even arab princes, after fooling around with sluts, require that their wives are virgins.Arab princes can do that, because they are high-value. You are not. Only high-value men marry virgins; men like you, never. Accept this, or give up on getting married - it's your call.
Be the change you wanna see. You are tainted meat. Used up too.Secondly, be realistic. Only 6% of women are virgins by age 25 iirc. It's a very low number. You're getting into the realm of "i want a guy who is 6'2", makes 100,000, and has a 6 inch penis."Going back to the first part, though, a girl that's saving herself for marriage (especially in this day and age) will not be interested in a dude who sleeps around. You're basically fucked unless you find some philipino mail order bride.
>Society has just deteriorated so much that I cannot even get what every male was guaranteed 50+ years ago.Wrong. Every generation since boomers has had less sexual partners and started later than the previous one. Women 50 years ago were far more slutty. You wanting a virgin is not a standard, it's a fetish.
>>34473069By /adv/ standards, I am doing decent. Most certainly enough to go to any third world county, stay there for a prolonged period to find a chaste woman. All muslims require their wives to be virgins btw. The point with arab princes is that even highly promiscuous men value virginity --- not just ultra pious virgin men.>>34473370Stupid argument. "You like skinny, big tits, and femininity in a wife? Then you must also be skinny, big tits, etc....">>34473272That is a reasonable argument, yes. It comes down to what you value. I bought a new car last year. I could have purchased a used car that is from a more expensive model and brand for the same price, but I very specifically wanted a new one --- I guess that's just how I am as a person.
>>34474320Men don't become "used up" and this is cross-cultural. Every society has valued female virginity and very few have valued male virginity, especially in marriage contexts. >>34474325You're extrapolating the hippies onto all boomers -- not all boomers were liberal and promiscuous. There was a higher % of chaste women who married as virgins in the boomer population. Average age for marriage then was around 23 though
>>34474344>Men don't become "used up" and this is cross-cultural. Every society has valued female virginity and very few have valued male virginity, especially in marriage contexts. Yeah. Tell a virgin girl saving herself for marriage that. See how well that's been going? In fact, that's so true that's why OP is here on 4chan begging for advice. We are misinterpreting what he's saying. He's actually complaining that because he slept around that he has TOO MANY virgin girls.
>>34473005>>34474340>>34474344how are people so certain about the percentage of woman that married virgin in the past? she could just lie and I bet the grand majority lied because not being virgin was frowned upon. I bet arab woman do the same.It's bizarre how you guys think women in the past were saints, they are just like they are now, they just hided better their sexual status because the consequences were worse.
>>34474358>what is a hymen
>>34473005They let black men take their teen white girl virginity.
>>34474361>implying the average man knows something about female anatomy
>>344743581) They married early, so statistically less likely to have had more premarital partners 2) Strict social coercion to remain chaste 3) Studies and polls from prior generations indicates more married as virgins or 1 premarital partner (which turned out to be the one they married). See belowhttps://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/premarital-sex-and-divorce/People also married those who were from the same religious community or neighborhood as them, so their moral history wasn't so much of a secret --- everyone knew who thr troublemakers were.
>>34474365how did they know they were virgins? people do stuff hidden from others all the time, that just proves that the pressure to look virgin was higher.
>>34474368see >>34474361
>>34474372see >>34474363
>>34474377Simple google search shows that people have known about the hymen for 1000s of years.Cave men knew about it. Skill issue if you're dumber than a cave man and therefore your opinion can be completely disregarded and you can be ignored.
>>34473693U wot m8Another nonsensical reply accusing me of XYZ with no goods to back it upThis board is really in love with ad hominem without real counterarguments. Can't expect anything more from people who are just coping rather than addressing their problems.Anyway, I'm P sure OP is the one larping for (you)'s or sthn
>>34474383yet people think a woman is virgin when she is not.enjoy your fairy tales
>>34474390>yeah but retarded people don't believe it therefore it isn't realThe only thing worse than a retard is a smug retard (you, you're the smug retard).
>>34474402concession accepted
>>34474404cope
>>34473005In what way - other than your judgment of her - is she any different from what she was yesterday?The problem here is in you, not her
>>34474340>Stupid argument. "You like skinny, big tits, and femininity in a wife? Then you must also be skinny, big tits, etc...."Sounds like by your logic you must also really value intelligence and moral integrity in a woman too
>>34473005Be honest, OP. You just wanna crack a virgin so you can check that off in your list of "shit I've done in bed."
>>34473005Were you a virgin before meeting her?
>>34473047We're not okay with it mostly, but it's not something we have any control over. If we did care, we'd die single. Most women aren't going to be virgins, like almost all.
>>34473047Ideally we'd be on the same page when we approach each other. I don't ask for a saint because saints are both rare and often unrealistic about ideals, however I don't ask to be an irresponsible party girl's living insurance policy either. The primary problem with both of these women is they're unrealistic about what men want out of a relationship. It's like the female equivalent of nice guys vs bad boys. One guy is so nice that he becomes a resentful doormat that poisons everyone he touches, while the other guy is such an unapologetic dick that people can't stand to be around him. One girl is so prudish that she likely develops an unhealthy view of sexuality and relationships while the other girl has virtually zero standards and thinks she's above the consequences of her actions. I see so many people get stuck on one side or the other when really what most people want is just someone who doesn't fall into the issues that the extremes tend to pick up. People aren't bad for wanting or not wanting virgins, they just need to be more realistic and empathetic about it.
>>34474361>what is a hymenKek. Faking a broken hymen is the easiest thing in the world. In 18th century brothels they would sell the same woman's virginity over and over. All they had to do was put something in there with a little blood in it so there would be some blood produced at the right moment - a fresh pigeon's heart was traditional - and the blood stain on the sheet was proof of virginity.
>>34473005>Do I just join a religious cult? I do have a mormon ward near me, but I wouldn't want my kids raised in it.OP, I have to tell you that I came to the same conclusions as you. To go to a religious sect, live as a degenerate, or just live the monk lifestyle of not having any kind of sexual stimulation. I arrived at the conclusion that I don't want to dedicate my life to something that I do not believe in and that will lead me to hell, I don't want to live as a degenerate seeking pleasure in each waking moment, and I don't have the willpower to avoid all sexual stimulation.
If I can't get a virgin I am not marrying.
>>34477188Why not?
>>34477207Why be with someone who doesn't value sex and relationships like I do? I have had gfs but all of them I have broken up with and it is looking darker and darker. Just trying to make peace with being alone.
>>34477220Why would a non-virgin not value sex the way you do? Some people make dumb mistakes in their teens, especially under cohesion.
>>34473005Mormons should be exterminated for being heretics.
>>34473047>>34473005Yeah I’ve been here as well. I just couldn’t stand it and considered suicidal thoughts because I wanted her that bad.I thought she was pure (dumb in know) and never masturbated to her or anything. Then one day I stumbled across her only fans by accident and just went at it like a madman. After finishing I blocked the her and felt disgusted in her, went and brought a flesh light which I take to the gym.Now, about halfway through our workout I run to the bathroom and use the flesh light for about 10 minutes, clean myself up and rejoin. Keeps the test boost and stops my feeling for her. I think she’s noticing I don’t need her as when I return she gets a confused, and sad, look and goes quite.
>>34477271Woah your story sounds like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XsUVTlyIE4
>>34477220Are you also a virgin tho?
>>34473005that was not a guarantee unless you were of noble birthand it's still pretty much a guarantee if you want to if you're wealthyso you were never entitled to it, not 50+ years ago, not now
>>34477313This is just a stupid question. It doesn't matter for a guy. And when it does, it's a bad thing
>>34473005Even mormon girls aren't virgins (unless they're ugly), they also like to marry then divorce then remarry.
>>34477253Because I don't believe sex before marriage. It extremely unlikely they've changed
>>34477351No no, you said "views sex and relationships the same way I do" so either live up to your own views or cope. Regardless of how you feel about virginity, tge fact is that if you aren't one yourself you're the last one that should judge a woman for her lack of
>>34477313>>34477371>>34477373I made the >>34477188 postI am obv a virgin. Not being a virgin and asking for one is silly. Seem like ragebait tier things indians/bots say.
>>34477379Well when I asked you said it didn't matter for a guy. So i wasn't sure. Many men complain about non virgins while they sleep with prostitutes for example
>>34477220You clearly do not value sex and relationships. Virgin fetishists never do.
>>34477382Not me ffs lol>>34477383It doesn't fill definition of a fetish in any way shape or form.
>>34477373It's really only hypocritical if the guy is out deflowering virgin girls. If a guy only slept with non-virgins and still wants a virgin, that is a perfectly valid sentiment.
>>34477392Fuck off indian
>>34477327thiscommon people didn't have virginity sheets or any of that stuff to see if women (or men for that matter) were virgins before marryingvirtue was predicated mostly to avoid having kids without a parental figure but the pullout method is as old as timesome girls (and guys for that matter) kept themselves pure all the way to marriage but it was not as common as you think.Only people obsessed with it were nobles because people were going to talk about who they were going to marry so they cared about it more to keep appearances more than the virginity itselfto end this, most hymens don't bleed that much if at all when popped, it is very uncommon for hymens to bleed enough to "stain" a sheet so that was commonly faked too. They used to wait until she was menstruating.Anyways virginity obsession is not the way to go, it's a futile effort and it mostly arises from your fear of not being enough for a girl who has seen what other can offer herthat's just massive insecurity.
>>34477399Indians are shadow banned from here my nigger
>>34477410>people obsessed with it were noblesYou're just validating the claim that virgins are higher value --- something that men should strive for the same way you strive for other good things: physical fitness, education, wealth, etc.
>>34477410>massive insecurity To be fair with the way people are nowadays? Semi valid in my opinion. Imagine getting with someone and knowing they compare you to their previous one all the time
>>34477410>mostly arises from your fear of not being enough for a girl who has seen what other can offer herActual nonsense. Sex =/= relationships. The idea that virginity somehow equates to absolute ignorance, and that this ignorance is supposedly what any man who values intimacy cares about deep down, is utter bullshit you pull out of your ass because you can't and won't understand what others actually value.
>>34473921I like how he doesn't answer this and he thinks he's a fucking king that gets a virgin upon request
>>34473005>what every male was guaranteed 50+ years agoone of the most retarded and fake "WE MVST RETVRN" fantasies ever50+ years ago every girl would be molested 5 times over by every uncle, teacher or a priest who was left alone with her for 5 minutes
>>34477421>>34473005>knowing they compare you to their previous one all the timesuch a weak ass bitch mentality. again and again I am shown that the only people who are afraid of female agency are the weakest of males who are terrified of even the idea of competition to other males.
>>34477469Copemaxxing
>>34477483It is beneath me and if being a ok with being a cuck is strength go ahead, stepdad.Same logic applies in that case.
>>34473047humans are adaptable. look at horrible plastic surgery, actresses with bogged faces. say that became really affordable, and it became the norm.do you believe men would become celibate? or do you believe men would sleep with the cave trolls?it's the same with the anti-age-gap fixation society currently has. first, virgins are out. okay, can i AT LEAST have a girlfriend in her late teens or early 20s? nope, that's creepy now.if i had this much control over my own desires and drives, i'd become gay.
>>34477483I mean do you want to be compared constantly to your gf or bfs ex? I'm not terrified of their agency either.
>>34477496>>34477487>bro is so weak he can't fuck a woman without being cucked by men who are not even theregod i hope this thread isn't a larp, i want you to remove yourself from the genepooldid you know that your mother fucked other men too before settling for your bitch dad? you were born in a womb that other men used to fuck and dump. your mother sucked dicks too and then kissed you with those same lips.just adding more stuff for you to think about~
>>34477410Everything else in this post is correct but>Muh insecurityOnly for a subsection of people. Some of us legit just see their habits as contrary to what we want in a relationship. Seriously, the ease at which some people will throw themselves at each other without any strings attached grosses me the fuck out and I want absolutely none of that brought into my personal life. Pigs belong in the pig sty, not my bedroom.
>>34477522No actually my dad is my moms first. Based stepfather-sama I kneel
>>34477517just be better than her exes
>>34477536No I deserve better than a whore ie anypne who has sex outside of marriage.
>>34477541well, go ahead and find her
>>34477536Dick can't be bigger than exes just cause. What if she doesn't like my body? Or what if she liked a thing only the ex could do? What if the ex was a fucking machine and I can't compete?
>>34477553I mean, why would you be with a woman if she does not like you at all? It's better to find someone that likes you.
>>34477550On it. Been looking at going to the balkans and these 2 early 20s girls who likes me.
>>34477561Because nobody likes me anyways so whats one more person that dislikes me?
>>34477565good luck, hope your find your wife>>34477568I think you have a trauma and is depressed. find a way to fix this and be happy
>>34473005Yes, you may have to join the Mormons or Mennonites Young people are way too brainwashed and their parents have done nothing to protect them.
>>34473005>Do I just join a religious cult?Yes. Your autism precludes you from normal relationships.>>34473047>I am just surprised by the number of guys who are okay with the dicks of multiple men having gone into their future wiveI am also surprised at the number of teenage virgins with cuck fetishes who spend their time visualizing cock and balls.
>>34478132Cope. Nobody likes that.
>>34478132Ironic - the cuck fetish is literally the ones who are insisting other cocks in their wife are okay
>>34477421>Imagine getting with someone and knowing they compare you to their previous one all the timeYou clearly have a cuck fantasy and want this to happen.
>>34473005I joined the Mormons when I was 19. Because I was depressed, my mom joined a cult. My other friends had lots of religious differences and I didn't know what was true. I'm 22 now. I still am a member on paper but the people there annoy me. I don't like other churches anymore and I'm pretty sick of religion anyway. But I might try a different ward or go move. If the people suck there too. I'm gone. I think I'm probably autistic. But undiagnosed, so I was never into dating or anything. I never got integrated into the YSA because I didn't like the people there. They didn't like me. So instead of the YSA I joined the family ward. (It's the ward where all married couples go. Youth usually don't go there but there's tons of crying kids). I was the only young adult there. The average age will be 55, or 65 desu. Mormons are very judgemental, dismissive, and materialistic. If you have doubts they say "doubt your doubts". If you are depressed or sad. They are dismissive and act like it's your fault, or act like you're bad for that. Because if you have the "restored gospel", then you must be super happy all the time!!!! Because you have the "spirit" with you. You have the gospel of joy. They literally worship money. At least at the ward I go to. They treat you as a second class citizen if you're not in college or if you don't have a successful career or the "ideal" life. Once a month they have a "fast and testimony" meeting. They're supposed to go talk about their testimony of God and the restored church. But most talk about how their lives are hard, and start crying. Or they talk about their life experiences and jobs. One guy literally said "I work in private equity for retirement homes. I like making money". It's pretty lame. if you do join, make sure you tithe and obey everything they say, or you'll be shunned. I literally got shunned and ridiculed for drinking coffee. (It's a sin for LDS). They can't take criticism and they're very hateful. Imo.
>>34478718Btw. In my opinion I think they treat converts worse off than "pioneer stock". At least that's how it felt in my ward. Especially if you don't go on a mission. (literal 2 years of missionary work. You have to pay for it). I didn't go on a mission because my parents hated the LDS church and they viewed it as satanic. But even so I was viewed as inferior for not going on one. LDS people are a soft doughy people. A very self centered community. LDS is both a religion and a culture. You must conform. I wore a blue dress shirt with a tie once. And they said that I need to wear a white one instead. It's always annoying how much criticism they give to me over nothing. If you join the LDS church. Expect to do lots of volunteering work once every other week at least. And helping out with moving. I would be doing that a lot. They also want you to do free labor for the church. They call it "callings". My ward's elder quorum lives in my neighborhood. So he would always want me to help him out with his yardwork or do projects for him. He'd call me all the time whenever the ward had a project or if he needed help and I'd come over and help do it. They're also nepotistic. If a LDS member owns a business. They want everyone to go buy from them, or help them out. My elders quroum president kept pressuring me to go work at a dollar store because a new LDS convert was a manager of the store and she needed people to work. I told him that they have no employees because they pay them $11 an hour. But he said we have to help out one another.I don't think you'd like it. But feel free to join in I guess. I haven't even mentioned the temple rituals or baptisms for the dead. I myself have not gotten the privilege due to my coffee addiction and consistent breaking of the word of wisdom. But it is what it is. Just be a passport bro if you need a virgin. Much less headache. And cheaper. LDS has to pay 10% of their income to the church.
>>34474312my grandpa was a half blind destitute sheep farmer in the middle of bumfuck nowhere and he got a virgin wife. Why all this floundering and retarded half assed retionalization of a phenomenom that has never existed in society until 50 years ago? The reason is because women are allowes to be whores without consequence now. Modern society is built around coddling women. Any space not centered around coddling women and ignoring their poor choices is demonized.
>>34477522my mom was a virgin lmao. my grandmothers were virgins. my great grandmothers were virgins. so was the male side of the family. this isnwhat life was like when you had strong families who arrange married their daughters at 15. why do you like to cope that people were never devout and we never had high chastity societies? wtf is this bullshit american anglo revisionism (americans and anglos in general were always degenerate demons, i will give you that)
