Got a text from my supervisor that the company would be "offering" (so far, it might become mandatory) a punch in/punch out app for our personally owned cellphones and I immediately told him I'll stick with the landline phone we use to clock in/out for work.I'm a school custodian and so we're all at different schools and use a conventional landline phone in the office to punch in/out for work and lunch, using a personal pin number with the system knowing from the phone we dial out from, that we're actually at the school on time when we punch in.My issue is that who the fuck knows who made this app or what it might do to my phone?It could be (and probably is) from some fly-by-night Chinese or Indian company and could (and probably will) endanger my $600 iPhone by uploading some kinda virus or the app just fucks up and bricks my my phone or the app may be used by hackers in Bangladesh to access my bank account or steal my identify and in addition, it will have to include tracking software to insure we're actually at work when we punch in and not lounging around at home.Again, this is MY personally purchased phone, the company does not issue us phones and I refuse to download some half-ass app from who-the-fuck-knows-who and further more, some people (very few nowadays) don't have cellphones and thus the company should have to retain the landline clock in/out process.How do I got about telling my employer I will not download this app?
You're right, don't concede.
>>34475310As I mentioned, some people actually do not have cellphones and they'll still need to clock in/out and this will require a landline (the phone belongs to the school).I figure if push comes to shove, I'll tell the boss I no longer have a cellphone, which he'll know is bullshit but he's a cool guy. I dunno about upper management.I'll further point out that the company is selling our email addys, as last year I had to renew my certifications for blood borne illnesses, asbestos, etc. and the boss said we had to do it that day, so I couldn't do it on my home computer and instead had to use the cellphone. The next day (and since then) I've been getting dozens of spam emails from all kinda bullshit companies.
>>34475266We use this at my job, i think it's pretty convenient. Do you know what company or app they're wanting to use? We use square, and there's no location tracking whatsoever.
>>34475382>Do you know what company or app they're wanting to use?No, I just got the text about it last night.>We use square, and there's no location tracking whatsoever.It MUST have tracking software, as it has to know we're actually at the school when we punch in, otherwise an employee could be laying bed at home while clocking in for work.And of course we all know this tracking tech will be operational 24/7, not just during my scheduled shift.
I also posted this thread to /technology/>>>/g/108710192
Heading to work now, I'll check back tonight when I get home.
>>34475434I don't know about all the different brands and apps, I know with square there's an optional upgrade to include a geo fence which requires an employee to be inside that area in order to clock in.But without it, I can clock in at home and clock out in another town and nobody knows where I'm clicking in and out from. It doesn't track location, it could just require you to be present in a specific location to clock in. There's also a tablet type device on sight which anybody can clock in and out from if they can't use their phones.
Personally I would probably just pretend to be retarded and say you cant download it and you cant log in and the app froze etc etc etc until your manager just gives up
>>34475266Stick to your guns. You may need to go far but you may get paid in the end, like those refusing to be jabbed. Government is slave to industry and vice versa. China never did a thing to you tho. That’s what joose want you to think.
>>34476457>China never did a thing to you tho.If they didn't, it wasn't for a lack of trying.
Why don't they just use a physical clock in/out card?
>>34475483(Back home now and) my supervisor said the app is mandatory and they want to know tomorrow.I can't see how I can be compelled to use my property (and risk whatever possible problems this causes me) for THEIR business?I'm going to tell them I no longer have a cellphone.
>>34477760Tell them no.
legally, they are likely in the "right" and can force you to use this app at risk of terminationto know for certain, check your contractso just know when to hold them and when to fold them
>>34478302I do not think that is how the law should ultimately see it for OP, if he does not fag out. Not that I am a lawfag, but there seems to be plenty of coercive poop going on. Of course, any can be canned for any reason. This boils down to something bigger in that billion dollar corporations are circumventing the constitution and having people forfeit their rights in order to access their pictures on the cloud or shitpost on social media or even get the deals at the grocery store. And there is no escaping it because they know everything through contacts agreed to or not. Maybe you are right. People sit around and watch others get robbed, murdered and raped without batting an eye.
>>34478490its exactly how the law works and thats why retards like you should NOT be making legal arguments and misleading people into risking their joban employer can absolutely force you to use an app for clocking in and out, and there is very little you can do against thatif the employer doesnt want to accommodate you, its then up to OP to prove>compensation for using a personal device>accommodation for disability>if unionised, why it goes against the collective bargaining agreement>that the app tracks location beyond the workplace
>>34475266>>34477760I highly doubt they can require you to use your own personal cell phone for that, at least not without giving you a monthly stipend for using it. They should ideally provide you with a phone. I wouldn't be so concerned with spyware, Apple monitors it's store. I would be more concerned with your employer potentially having your location at any given time. Those apps don't all necessarily have that feature, and employers don't all necessarily use it, but the potential is there for abuse. I would look at your employee handbook and/or any agreements you have with your employer to see if you've agreed to anything like this or not, and whether they've reserved the right to change those agreements that you've signed. If it's not present in there and they don't reserve the right, then you didn't agree to it and they can't force you to. They can probably fire you either way though. Whether you'll have a wrongful termination suit or not will depend heavily on those conditions and how you approach this issue, so do your research and play it cool. Don't tell them anything for now, not even that you would want to continue using the existing system, you've already done that.
ask them to either provide a work phone or a 2 week notice, no ifs or butst.company owner
I can clock in through a website, and i have location "disabled" on my phone, so it just grabs the IP or something which always shows me in a random state.I know one guy that got fired because he clocked in when he started his commute instead of when he arrived.>>34478676Correct. If I have to get tracking crap, it will be on a work phone I can turn off and leave behind when not on the clock.Fuck, tracking is so insane these days.My camera application on my phone will not function unless I give it access to see nearby Bluetooth or wifi signals.
>>34475266Man, what the fuck is this? When I worked at Walmart, we clocked in with the Walmart app (for workers), on our own phones, (it used GPS to make sure we were in the building before letting us clock in), and it was no problem.The app was very useful, we used it to tell us where shit was in the store, look up prices for customers on scanned items (from the camera), we could see our paystubs, we could see our weekly work schedule, see how many attendance points we had (before getting fired). It even showed when when other coworker's birthdays were coming up and the anniversary dates of when they were hired with the company.That app was great. I think they do the same for Kroger. I don't see what the problem here is Anon.
>>34479073>That app was great.
>>34478549It doesn’t matter what the law says because they can fire him for any reason. Like I already said, dingbat. What matters is that we do not collectively take it up the ass. Why do you not fuck off with me and tell OP not to lie to his employer.
