I have a mental illness, autism and ocd, and I start to loathe the whole shittiness of being human.All I get is that my type of ocd makes me constantly search shit up and see the terms of some stuff when I do, or look into a video , how long the video is and what’s the rough estimate of it, or how many views, likes, who said what, how many likes those comments get, and even channel views. And outside of that? List all the fandom wikis that I know of, or some shit to deal with the uncertainty of my shitty survival brain.I fucking hate it but I can’t do shit about it, and don’t know why I’m even here ironically, even though I feel as though I ain’t myself, or if I was at all.I wanna conquer my shitty survival built brain and gain a better memory and whatever else, consciousness over flawed biology.
Easy. Stop blaming your brain for everything and take some fucking responsibility for yourself and your life outcomes and work out how you got into this situation (without blaming your fucking brain, the most adaptable organ of organs).
>>34478390im in so deep of analyzing a specific website and checking that the numbers related to info aren't changed that it's my entire mind, and this has been my life, so i think that im like you a lot. I try to stay aware that life is just hard as fuck, and when i ancitipate how hard it is its better for my anxiety. also take nac its good for ocd, and start lifting. lifting is crazy good for the neurotic. i even feel bad giving advice cause i know im just gonna go back to being a mess
>>34478390None of that behavior comes from your brain. All of it comes from the habits you've allowed to form. You can unmake habits just as gradually as you've made them, it just takes time and effort. Your biology is fine, it's your character and self discipline that needs fixing.
>>34478399>>34478644Kinda sounds hard ngl, I complain a lot about the content I look up, kinda rinse and repeat about how much I hate all of it, idk. Also idk I believe all this may as well be biological determinism, general lack of free will.>>34478540Analyze means study right? Also I’m reading an online comic and forget or have a hard time understanding the words, reading em over and over again. Or even reading the layout of a url like fandom wiki fan wikis.Idk what the info numbers thing is tho?
>>34479206>Kinda sounds hard nglEverything that's worth doing is hard. If self mastery were easy it wouldn't be the greatest achievement known to man. But it can be done, "it's hard" isn't an excuse not to try, and refusing to try simply ensures that you'll fail.>I believe all this may as well be biological determinismIt doesn't take much examination to prove that belief completely and utterly wrong. There have been men who willingly went to their deaths without fear. If a man's brain can't stop him from putting his neck on the chopping block, how can your brain keep you from abstaining from the internet? Think about how many people across the world fast on a regular basis. If something as fundamental to our survival as eating food is something that we can willingly choose not to do, how would it ever be possible for something unnatural and unnecessary to have that much control over you? Someone who blames his brain for his problems isn't really living, his character is already dead and buried and he's simply waiting for his body to follow suit.
you cant have all that bullshit all at oncestop identifying as xyz label you fucking fruit basketTHATS how you beat "the brain"
>>34479254Sure yeah, I can say though that years of shock, anger, mistreatment and trauma have just want me to no longer deal with life and man’s shit any longer, especially with how we deal with those things, as in coping, it all feels wrong.Never really lived if you were never alive to begin with so to speak with us mental ill folks. >>34479406Drugggggs?
>>34479790maybe try a chronic ecstasy addiction so your grey matter turns into pulp you sissy
>>34479790You can do it if you try. I started off this life as miserable as anyone could be, so I speak from experience when I say it's possible no matter how bad things look from your current perspective. It gets easier with practice, but you have to actually do the practice.
>>34478390Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know how to steer an OCD-prone brain toward healthier paths? I haven’t been diagnosed, but I’m convinced I have it, and one of the things I struggle with most is wasting a lot of time in an endless cycle of anxiety that doesn’t end until I’ve completed a certain task. It’s awful. But I’d like to learn ways to trick yourself (or trick your brain) into using that OCD to tackle less counterproductive and healthier tasks, like setting a goal to read a hundred pages of a specific book, clean the whole house in a day, or exercise for an hour straight without letting feelings like laziness or discouragement get in the way. I say this because these are activities I used to do, but now I find them difficult. And since I’m going through a bit of a slump that doesn’t seem to be going away, things get a little complicated. I’d really appreciate any mental tricks.
>>34479254no i dont study, i just bring up the page and scroll to the bottom really hard with my wrist and stare a hole into the numbers to make sure they havent changed. the things some poeple obsess over get really weird and hearing it explained just sounds confusing. its sort of lucky that the fixation is just on a computer though, and not something that you carry around in your head everywhere which can happen
>>34478644Science says otherwise. Depression has been proven to be a brain chemistry problem.
>>34480322No, it hasn't. If that were true then pills would always work and they wouldn't have to keep upping the dosages constantly. Marketing strategies are not "science".
>>34480394Releasing false information to the public has been illegal for a long time now.
>>34480404Yeah, that's why all those pharma companies lost lawsuits and were forced to admit in court under oath that they invented the notion of "brain chemistry" completely for the sake of selling drugs. But they still made more money than they lost, so they keep on lying to this day.
>>34480404this is the kind of bait that just makes you feel bad that there might be real people this retarded
>34478644It's all your brain, fucking dipshit neurotypical.>34479406Not OP but some people are just that screwed up, myself included.
>>34481193Op here, thank you for someone with at least a logical mind criticizing these neurotypical npc fucks, like fuck these pure biological bots.>>34479963Thank you by the way, also this is just a discipline type of thing for my brain?>>34480264Yeah that’s not confusing that’s just understandable fucked up dude, like your brain can just do that? That’s fucked up.>>34480322 you prove it too, we listen to the brain, wether we want to or not, especially with things like depression.And anyone saying otherwise may as well be a true forementioned bio bot
>>34481193>>34481622The term “neurotypical” is a very convenient excuse used by people who lack any sense of personal responsibility or social duty and who attribute all suffering directly to the idea that their brain doesn’t work properly and that there’s nothing they can do about it because, after all, they're simply “different.” I know this will be hard for you to grasp if you’re a minor and struggling with personality or mental health issues, but you can always get yourself out of the mess you’re in. Describing yourself as “neurotypical” is the most immature and narrow-minded way you can define yourself, because you’re overlooking any individual ability to overcome and manage stress, anxiety, repetitive behaviors, or anything else you might be going through right now. I, too, went through a fairly prolonged depression and other things that would classify me as “neurodivergent,” but in the end I overcame them by taking responsibility and getting my life in order, fostering social growth and personal development. Limiting yourself for life based solely on a diagnosis is exactly what the Jewish clinical psychology establishment would want to do to keep you in therapy and on medication for the rest of your life.Stop acting like a retarded faggot and act.
>34481699>hUrR dUrR mUh pErSoNaL rEsPoNsIbIlItYShut up.
>>34481826Ikr? I mean I get responsibility here and there but I ain’t responsible if I got something like schizophrenia except my brain
>>34482089>but I ain’t responsible if I got something like schizophreniaMy mom has schizophrenia, and I can tell you from lifelong experience that yes you are. Schizophrenics always participate in their delusions willingly, and that goes for every other kind of mental illness. They use it as a shield to avoid having to become good people, just as you're doing now.
>>34481826He's absolutely correct, and your immature response vindicates him from top to bottom. You don't want to get better because that would mean hard work, so you're wallowing in your deficiencies while blaming everything else in sight other than your own conduct.
>>34482120I gotta clarify here, that isn’t me, I’m OP and he’s one of the responders in here and I agree with him and stuff
>>34482119Agreed, people like to separate schizophrenia from the rest, and while it is more "mental ill" than the rest, there's still a huge degree of subjectivity to it (both schizophrenia and psychosis). What looks like psychosis on the outside usually has logic behind it (even if there was an error made, usually it's from information gap rather than someone's "logic" "not working"). But people are lazy and presumptuous and don't bother to actually understand what's going on (in the "schizo" 's head), and instead just slap the label "crazy" and be done with it.Which leads me to my other viewpoint, which is that mental illness claims are both Barnum effect and unfalsifiable. Like what, feeling low? Fucking everyone does at some point. Our lives are built to be dogshit anyway with the way the world is setup right now. If some schizo really thinks there's a chip in their brain, you cut open their brain and show it to them that there's no chip in their brain. You attack their logic with more logic. Rather than just saying, and that goes for all mental illness really, oh hey just take these meds K done. Just focus on deep breathing and count to 5 and write 10 things you're grateful for K done. No. Demand logic and attack plot holes, every time
>>34482119>>34484215So fight back and discipline myself? Like attack my anxiety and stress with what my own will with logic?Question the demands and so forth? You know what that’s way fucking better than what you mentioned with meds and some copium nonsense
>>34478390remember that you can decide to do or not do something. practice willpower. might not always work but you always have a new moment to decide to do stop doing something you don't wanna do. Practice surrender.I also recommend doing something that doesn't involve around self-centeredness. It sounds like you're just thinking about yourself all the time which is kind of normal if you're young. Go volunteer or something. Get a job
>>34482120I don't listen to people like you. Begone.
>>34482119>Schizophrenics always participate in their delusions willingly, and that goes for every other kind of mental illness.You don't know shit about schizophrenia or any other mental illness. I don't care if your mother has it. You've demonstrated that YOU. DON'T. FUCKING. GET. IT.
>>34484812>>34484814Dude I’m the OP here and I’m getting sick of you now just being disruptive and disrespectful.Fucking Christ man
>>34484650At a bare minimum. If you do all that meds nonsense you still won't have really addressed your issues and likely will fall back into them, because the root cause wasn't addressed. And the root cause is buried layers of logic and viewpoints and belief systems that have to be put to the test. Meds and nonsense maybe they'll help you cope temporarily but they aren't the actual "cure". Cure is still adjusting yourself and the world around you so it's in sync again.
>>34484885So like I have to fight ocd with a case of logic? But that won’t work as some sites say, it’s a disorder AGAINST my own logic itself
>>34485135He is talking bro-tier nonsense. OCD thinking is a learnt behaviour (likely from childhood factors) and can be better managed/handled through practice like CBT, but you can't just "out-think" mental illness. The problem with this board and "mental illness" is the spectrum is so large, but people can only view the issue through their own experience (which in many cases is just a case of clean your bedroom ect..). What is your goal that OCD is impacting? Is it preventing you from doing things you would like to do? If so, medication may be an option. When on medication, you can still practice trying to shift your mindset.
>>34484650>Like attack my anxiety and stress with what my own will with logic?Essentially, yes. Anxiety can't exist without a root belief. You cannot be afraid of death unless you believe that death is fearful. So if you want to remove your anxiety, then you have to change your belief. There is no fear, anxiety, worry or concern in this life that you can't destroy with logic, because the logical position will always be that you should focus on what you can control, rather than what you can't control. Either there's hope, or the situation is hopeless. If there's hope, there's no reason to worry because it means you can do something about it and worry just saps your attention and energy. If there's no hope, there's no sense in worrying because whatever happens will happen whether you want it or not. Meditate on thoughts like these every day, and you'll be anxiety free sooner than you could ever imagine.And this is the only way that anxiety can be beaten. Drugs don't help at all, they actually stunt your progress because they're essentially no different from a chemical lobotomy. You can't use logic while you're drugged out of your mind, and the more you rely on drugs the weaker your will becomes.
>>34485165>bro-tier nonsense>you can't just "out-think" mental illnessYeah it's bro-tier nonsense because you didn't even comprehend it you dimwit. I said it's "thinking" (logic can also be exercised with the aid of other humans, not just in your own thoughts) which then leads to actions i.e. amending your environment and self.>When on medication, you can still practice trying to shift your mindset.Again with this outsourcing your own brain to chemicals nonsense. It's not "you can still", it's you SHOULD be at all times, medicated or not. There's nothing that needs to be "medicated" away unless you have a neurological malformation that can be fatal or deteriorate.With chemicals, sure, you can take magic mushrooms and it leads to some sort of "insights" but even these are shallow and occasionally red herrings and only lead to more "logic" to be untangled but isn't necessarily the actual detangling of logic. For the most part, detangling actually requires human contact because 99% of the time it's related to/contingent on other human beings and the environment surrounding you (which is mostly man-made/societal)At most, drugs are "performance enhancers" when it comes to societally mandated things like keep your head down at your job and follow your boss, or sit still and follow the teacher in a classroom, or go to the grocery store without having a meltdown. Still, temporary crutches, not cures. The cure is still the thought and the action. Drugs can be a catalyst but never the solution itself.
>>34485381>>34485447Wait so all I gotta do then is accept what it is and either change what can be done or accept it as it is while still enduring it and realizing it’s not bad or whatever?Cause I don’t know what with compulsions and the whole googling the stuff I don’t like and listing all the types of websites and their dates and you know all that junk?
>>34485661Yes, it's a simple process but difficult to master. And bear in mind that your actions, your behavior, your words, your thoughts and your beliefs always and necessarily by definition fall under "things you can control". The only things you can't control are the things that fall outside of your direct influence, such as other people's thoughts and actions.With your google and website related compulsions, you should meditate on how little it matters. Those websites probably won't even exist within your lifetime, to say nothing of the fact that your own life is temporary. How can any of them matter if they're just dust in the wind? Would you feel the need to catalogue every ant in every anthill in your yard? And yet even in that absurd example, the ants are more real and more relevant to your existence than a website that you could simply ignore. With thoughts like these going through your mind every day, your obsession won't last more than a month.
