Easy. Stop blaming your brain for everything and take some fucking responsibility for yourself and your life outcomes and work out how you got into this situation (without blaming your fucking brain, the most adaptable organ of organs).

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>>34478390
im in so deep of analyzing a specific website and checking that the numbers related to info aren't changed that it's my entire mind, and this has been my life, so i think that im like you a lot. I try to stay aware that life is just hard as fuck, and when i ancitipate how hard it is its better for my anxiety. also take nac its good for ocd, and start lifting. lifting is crazy good for the neurotic. i even feel bad giving advice cause i know im just gonna go back to being a mess

>>34478390
None of that behavior comes from your brain. All of it comes from the habits you've allowed to form. You can unmake habits just as gradually as you've made them, it just takes time and effort. Your biology is fine, it's your character and self discipline that needs fixing.

>>34478399
>>34478644
Kinda sounds hard ngl, I complain a lot about the content I look up, kinda rinse and repeat about how much I hate all of it, idk. Also idk I believe all this may as well be biological determinism, general lack of free will.
>>34478540
Analyze means study right? Also I’m reading an online comic and forget or have a hard time understanding the words, reading em over and over again. Or even reading the layout of a url like fandom wiki fan wikis.
Idk what the info numbers thing is tho?

>>34479206
>Kinda sounds hard ngl
Everything that's worth doing is hard. If self mastery were easy it wouldn't be the greatest achievement known to man. But it can be done, "it's hard" isn't an excuse not to try, and refusing to try simply ensures that you'll fail.

>I believe all this may as well be biological determinism
It doesn't take much examination to prove that belief completely and utterly wrong. There have been men who willingly went to their deaths without fear. If a man's brain can't stop him from putting his neck on the chopping block, how can your brain keep you from abstaining from the internet? Think about how many people across the world fast on a regular basis. If something as fundamental to our survival as eating food is something that we can willingly choose not to do, how would it ever be possible for something unnatural and unnecessary to have that much control over you? Someone who blames his brain for his problems isn't really living, his character is already dead and buried and he's simply waiting for his body to follow suit.

you cant have all that bullshit all at once
stop identifying as xyz label you fucking fruit basket

THATS how you beat "the brain"

>>34479254
Sure yeah, I can say though that years of shock, anger, mistreatment and trauma have just want me to no longer deal with life and man’s shit any longer, especially with how we deal with those things, as in coping, it all feels wrong.

Never really lived if you were never alive to begin with so to speak with us mental ill folks.
>>34479406
Drugggggs?

>>34479790
maybe try a chronic ecstasy addiction so your grey matter turns into pulp you sissy

>>34479790
You can do it if you try. I started off this life as miserable as anyone could be, so I speak from experience when I say it's possible no matter how bad things look from your current perspective. It gets easier with practice, but you have to actually do the practice.

>>34478390
Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know how to steer an OCD-prone brain toward healthier paths? I haven’t been diagnosed, but I’m convinced I have it, and one of the things I struggle with most is wasting a lot of time in an endless cycle of anxiety that doesn’t end until I’ve completed a certain task. It’s awful. But I’d like to learn ways to trick yourself (or trick your brain) into using that OCD to tackle less counterproductive and healthier tasks, like setting a goal to read a hundred pages of a specific book, clean the whole house in a day, or exercise for an hour straight without letting feelings like laziness or discouragement get in the way. I say this because these are activities I used to do, but now I find them difficult. And since I’m going through a bit of a slump that doesn’t seem to be going away, things get a little complicated. I’d really appreciate any mental tricks.

>>34479254
no i dont study, i just bring up the page and scroll to the bottom really hard with my wrist and stare a hole into the numbers to make sure they havent changed. the things some poeple obsess over get really weird and hearing it explained just sounds confusing. its sort of lucky that the fixation is just on a computer though, and not something that you carry around in your head everywhere which can happen

>>34478644
Science says otherwise. Depression has been proven to be a brain chemistry problem.

>>34480322
No, it hasn't. If that were true then pills would always work and they wouldn't have to keep upping the dosages constantly. Marketing strategies are not "science".

>>34480394
Releasing false information to the public has been illegal for a long time now.

>>34480404
Yeah, that's why all those pharma companies lost lawsuits and were forced to admit in court under oath that they invented the notion of "brain chemistry" completely for the sake of selling drugs. But they still made more money than they lost, so they keep on lying to this day.

>>34480404
this is the kind of bait that just makes you feel bad that there might be real people this retarded

>34478644
It's all your brain, fucking dipshit neurotypical.
>34479406
Not OP but some people are just that screwed up, myself included.

>>34481193
Op here, thank you for someone with at least a logical mind criticizing these neurotypical npc fucks, like fuck these pure biological bots.
>>34479963
Thank you by the way, also this is just a discipline type of thing for my brain?
>>34480264
Yeah that’s not confusing that’s just understandable fucked up dude, like your brain can just do that? That’s fucked up.
>>34480322 you prove it too, we listen to the brain, wether we want to or not, especially with things like depression.

And anyone saying otherwise may as well be a true forementioned bio bot

>>34481193
>>34481622
The term “neurotypical” is a very convenient excuse used by people who lack any sense of personal responsibility or social duty and who attribute all suffering directly to the idea that their brain doesn’t work properly and that there’s nothing they can do about it because, after all, they're simply “different.” I know this will be hard for you to grasp if you’re a minor and struggling with personality or mental health issues, but you can always get yourself out of the mess you’re in. Describing yourself as “neurotypical” is the most immature and narrow-minded way you can define yourself, because you’re overlooking any individual ability to overcome and manage stress, anxiety, repetitive behaviors, or anything else you might be going through right now. I, too, went through a fairly prolonged depression and other things that would classify me as “neurodivergent,” but in the end I overcame them by taking responsibility and getting my life in order, fostering social growth and personal development. Limiting yourself for life based solely on a diagnosis is exactly what the Jewish clinical psychology establishment would want to do to keep you in therapy and on medication for the rest of your life.

Stop acting like a retarded faggot and act.

>34481699
>hUrR dUrR mUh pErSoNaL rEsPoNsIbIlItY
Shut up.

>>34481826
Ikr? I mean I get responsibility here and there but I ain’t responsible if I got something like schizophrenia except my brain

>>34482089
>but I ain’t responsible if I got something like schizophrenia
My mom has schizophrenia, and I can tell you from lifelong experience that yes you are. Schizophrenics always participate in their delusions willingly, and that goes for every other kind of mental illness. They use it as a shield to avoid having to become good people, just as you're doing now.

>>34481826
He's absolutely correct, and your immature response vindicates him from top to bottom. You don't want to get better because that would mean hard work, so you're wallowing in your deficiencies while blaming everything else in sight other than your own conduct.

>>34482120
I gotta clarify here, that isn’t me, I’m OP and he’s one of the responders in here and I agree with him and stuff

>>34482119
Agreed, people like to separate schizophrenia from the rest, and while it is more "mental ill" than the rest, there's still a huge degree of subjectivity to it (both schizophrenia and psychosis). What looks like psychosis on the outside usually has logic behind it (even if there was an error made, usually it's from information gap rather than someone's "logic" "not working"). But people are lazy and presumptuous and don't bother to actually understand what's going on (in the "schizo" 's head), and instead just slap the label "crazy" and be done with it.

Which leads me to my other viewpoint, which is that mental illness claims are both Barnum effect and unfalsifiable. Like what, feeling low? Fucking everyone does at some point. Our lives are built to be dogshit anyway with the way the world is setup right now. If some schizo really thinks there's a chip in their brain, you cut open their brain and show it to them that there's no chip in their brain. You attack their logic with more logic. Rather than just saying, and that goes for all mental illness really, oh hey just take these meds K done. Just focus on deep breathing and count to 5 and write 10 things you're grateful for K done. No. Demand logic and attack plot holes, every time

>>34482119
>>34484215
So fight back and discipline myself? Like attack my anxiety and stress with what my own will with logic?
Question the demands and so forth? You know what that’s way fucking better than what you mentioned with meds and some copium nonsense

>>34478390
remember that you can decide to do or not do something. practice willpower. might not always work but you always have a new moment to decide to do stop doing something you don't wanna do. Practice surrender.

I also recommend doing something that doesn't involve around self-centeredness. It sounds like you're just thinking about yourself all the time which is kind of normal if you're young. Go volunteer or something. Get a job

>>34482120
I don't listen to people like you. Begone.

>>34482119
>Schizophrenics always participate in their delusions willingly, and that goes for every other kind of mental illness.
You don't know shit about schizophrenia or any other mental illness. I don't care if your mother has it. You've demonstrated that YOU. DON'T. FUCKING. GET. IT.

>>34484812
>>34484814
Dude I’m the OP here and I’m getting sick of you now just being disruptive and disrespectful.

Fucking Christ man

>>34484650
At a bare minimum. If you do all that meds nonsense you still won't have really addressed your issues and likely will fall back into them, because the root cause wasn't addressed. And the root cause is buried layers of logic and viewpoints and belief systems that have to be put to the test. Meds and nonsense maybe they'll help you cope temporarily but they aren't the actual "cure". Cure is still adjusting yourself and the world around you so it's in sync again.

>>34484885
So like I have to fight ocd with a case of logic? But that won’t work as some sites say, it’s a disorder AGAINST my own logic itself

>>34485135
He is talking bro-tier nonsense. OCD thinking is a learnt behaviour (likely from childhood factors) and can be better managed/handled through practice like CBT, but you can't just "out-think" mental illness. The problem with this board and "mental illness" is the spectrum is so large, but people can only view the issue through their own experience (which in many cases is just a case of clean your bedroom ect..).

What is your goal that OCD is impacting? Is it preventing you from doing things you would like to do? If so, medication may be an option. When on medication, you can still practice trying to shift your mindset.

>>34484650
>Like attack my anxiety and stress with what my own will with logic?
Essentially, yes. Anxiety can't exist without a root belief. You cannot be afraid of death unless you believe that death is fearful. So if you want to remove your anxiety, then you have to change your belief. There is no fear, anxiety, worry or concern in this life that you can't destroy with logic, because the logical position will always be that you should focus on what you can control, rather than what you can't control. Either there's hope, or the situation is hopeless. If there's hope, there's no reason to worry because it means you can do something about it and worry just saps your attention and energy. If there's no hope, there's no sense in worrying because whatever happens will happen whether you want it or not. Meditate on thoughts like these every day, and you'll be anxiety free sooner than you could ever imagine.

And this is the only way that anxiety can be beaten. Drugs don't help at all, they actually stunt your progress because they're essentially no different from a chemical lobotomy. You can't use logic while you're drugged out of your mind, and the more you rely on drugs the weaker your will becomes.

>>34485165
>bro-tier nonsense
>you can't just "out-think" mental illness
Yeah it's bro-tier nonsense because you didn't even comprehend it you dimwit. I said it's "thinking" (logic can also be exercised with the aid of other humans, not just in your own thoughts) which then leads to actions i.e. amending your environment and self.

>When on medication, you can still practice trying to shift your mindset.
Again with this outsourcing your own brain to chemicals nonsense. It's not "you can still", it's you SHOULD be at all times, medicated or not. There's nothing that needs to be "medicated" away unless you have a neurological malformation that can be fatal or deteriorate.

With chemicals, sure, you can take magic mushrooms and it leads to some sort of "insights" but even these are shallow and occasionally red herrings and only lead to more "logic" to be untangled but isn't necessarily the actual detangling of logic. For the most part, detangling actually requires human contact because 99% of the time it's related to/contingent on other human beings and the environment surrounding you (which is mostly man-made/societal)

At most, drugs are "performance enhancers" when it comes to societally mandated things like keep your head down at your job and follow your boss, or sit still and follow the teacher in a classroom, or go to the grocery store without having a meltdown. Still, temporary crutches, not cures. The cure is still the thought and the action. Drugs can be a catalyst but never the solution itself.

>>34485381
>>34485447
Wait so all I gotta do then is accept what it is and either change what can be done or accept it as it is while still enduring it and realizing it’s not bad or whatever?

Cause I don’t know what with compulsions and the whole googling the stuff I don’t like and listing all the types of websites and their dates and you know all that junk?

>>34485661
Yes, it's a simple process but difficult to master. And bear in mind that your actions, your behavior, your words, your thoughts and your beliefs always and necessarily by definition fall under "things you can control". The only things you can't control are the things that fall outside of your direct influence, such as other people's thoughts and actions.

With your google and website related compulsions, you should meditate on how little it matters. Those websites probably won't even exist within your lifetime, to say nothing of the fact that your own life is temporary. How can any of them matter if they're just dust in the wind? Would you feel the need to catalogue every ant in every anthill in your yard? And yet even in that absurd example, the ants are more real and more relevant to your existence than a website that you could simply ignore. With thoughts like these going through your mind every day, your obsession won't last more than a month.

>>34485743
You know, Iirc I have combated these thoughts yet I guess I’m just impulsive to the point with these thoughts.

And yeah I rather be outside at least than inside on a computer, seems more productive somehow, giving ants hats and labeling the names.

And like I said it’s also comments, what they exactly say and how I get the urge to do it, along with how long it is and what’s it could be roughly estimated as, view count, like count, what’s the description , etc etc.

But yeah, do I just constantly think of it in my head? 24/7?

>>34485661
It's more like recognising your potential as a human. If you don't have internet, are you still going to find something else to compulse over? What is it? What if YouTube and wiki servers all shut down tomorrow. What are you gonna do instead? There's more to you as a human than this one particular quirk that you've fallen into.

What if tomorrow you're homeless and you have to find a stable rhythm rhyme routine that's suitable to you? What will you incorporate? How would you react in all sorts of different scenarios?

That's what I mean by potential, right. Not just the potential in you, but the potential in the environment too. In circumstances. There could be many winning combinations but you're not gonna find them if you get stuck on something trivial.

>Accept and change or accept and endure and realise it's not bad
Depends. If you're still not sure then you investigate more til you come to a more conclusive perspective. Maybe it's better to change, maybe it's better to endure, depends on what you want. But sometimes what you want is wrong. So, what is right for you? If you're unsure, keep seeking perspectives from other people, until you find a consistent pattern amongst them and also how you feel. Something might strike a chord with you, so remember that and then keep piecing together sthn til you fairly certain

>>34486083
With all habits, it's a matter of progress by degrees. Each time you give in to the habit, it reinforces the urge and makes it stronger next time. And each time you successfully ward off the impulse, it gets weaker next time and makes success a little easier. You don't have to meditate on these ideas 24/7, but any time the urges come out and you start to think that it'd be a good idea to browse and catalogue websites, that's when it's important to step aside for a bit to meditate on how meaningless that activity would be, and how you could put that time to much better use. Each success will build upon the others and let you go from strength to strength, so it's important not to miss the opportunities when they show themselves.

>>34486200
I rather be normal than obsess over stupid shit.
>>34486201
Interesting, I’ve always thought of it too, one, couple, few, several, many of comments and views and yet it’s all stupid in the end.

Kinda makes me wonder about things a lot. Damn, kinda sucks I got to this point in a way and I’d rather relax from all this, truly be free, and I can but it still feels off existential wise, so something like existential dread I guess

>>34487101
True freedom means total self control and freedom from all kinds of cravings and urges, so it's something that everyone has to earn for themselves at some point, and the only way is through hard work and dedication. If it wasn't this, it'd be excessive drinking, smoking, eating, gambling, fornicating or some other vice that has to be painstakingly renounced one day at a time. In that sense, I'd say that you're lucky that this addiction of yours isn't going to leave you with any permanent damage or crippling debt after you have it beaten.

>>34487101
So what's the alternative to stupid shit? What is normal? Is there a third way?

>>34484875
Fuck respect.

>>34487125
Yeah all except time, yet all is short living as it is.
>>34487417
Women? Drawing? Reading?
>>34488043
Eh

>>34481699
Being neurodivergent literally means that the part of the brain that manages stress doesn't work properly.

Just take meds. For all the mental health positivity society at large still secretly believes it's a "mindset" problem and sees people with depression as weak-willed or something. It's literally like telling people to heal their broken bones through prayer and meditation instead of going to the hospital, you'd look retarded suggesting that but that's how bad and short sighted the stigma is. You don't "conquer" literally broken brains, you physically fix them

>>34488328
The meds are expensive, you're basically paying a subscription fee for your own body

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>>34485447
You are a retard who has no clue how the human brain actually works. Science has proven that it's all chemicals. If your body won't produce the chemicals itself, your only option is to take medication.

>>34488328
Nobody said the alternative was prayer and meditation you fuckwit. That's what "therapy" shills. Mental health IS NOT equivalent to physical health. ONLY if you actually have neurological malformations that have risk of leading to fatality or deterioration. Nobody's brain is "literally broken" unless you actually have the neurological malformation, which 99% "mentally ill" people don't have.

>society at large still secretly believes it's a "mindset" problem and sees people with depression as weak-willed or something
Because it largely is a problem with your mind. That's what fucking "mental" means. And depressed people ARE more weak willed than a non-depressed person. It's in the definition. If your will is strong you ain't getting diagnosed cuz you ain't hitting the (idiotically binary) criteria.

Meds can help accelerate you to the solution, but they aren't the solution.

>>34488371
You do fucking realise this entire universe is made up of chemicals. A broken bone is "chemically" different to a healthy bone. Do you fix your broken bone with "medication"? No. You rest, mend it together using physical repairs, your body's immune system patches it up so it doesn't get infected and deteriorate, and you lose a bit of your original bone but if it can still function for whatever tasks you use the bone in, then you're all good to go. Maybe you can't do high-stress athletic competitions anymore, but who needed to do that anyway.

>If your body won't produce the chemicals itself, your only option is to take medication.
Uh, how about actually fixing your life so it's not a steaming pile of dogshit? Nah, take meds instead, it's "your only option".

>>34488269
>Women? Drawing? Reading?
Getting there, but not specific enough. What's the point of pursuing those things? How is it better for you in the long run than whatever you're currently doing?

>>34488333
Meds can also have side effects that outweigh the benefit of taking them. Keyword "can", because everyone reacts to them differently and some people do great on meds.

>>34488491
If the brain literally will not produce the chemicals a person needs to be happy, then medication is the only option. You can't force your brain to produce those things.

>>34488491
>Mental health IS NOT equivalent to physical health

Yes, yes it fucking is. The two are connected. If one deteriorates, the other will too. This is basic science.

>>34488491
>Because it largely is a problem with your mind. That's what fucking "mental" means. And depressed people ARE more weak willed than a non-depressed person. It's in the definition

No, it means you have a chemical imbalance in your brain. That's all.

>>34481699
You can't disagree with what science has proven.

>>34488575
>>34488581
There's no such thing as a "brain balance" in the first place, and happiness doesn't come from chemicals. You're acting as if people have no agency whatsoever over their own desires and motives, when in fact they have complete control over those things and their happiness and well-being depend on getting them in line with reality. When a child doesn't get the toy he wants, he cries, screams, wails and considers himself the most miserable child in the world. But as he matures, he realizes that those kinds of things don't matter as much as he thought he did. The fantasy, or illusion, is broken. The same has to happen with adults. They have to realize that being wealthy, famous, having a family or whatever else it is they fantasize about isn't the perfect thing they have in their imagination. They need to mature, just as the child had to mature. Chemicals have absolutely nothing to do with it. You're either a pharma shill who has personal skin in this game and want to keep people addicted, or you're somebody whose life is an absolute wreck who needs to tell himself these lies so that he feels he can excuse himself from the responsibility of growing up.

>>34488594
Stop acting as if "science" were a religious cult. Even if "science" were a monolith you could just point to and claim that it agrees with you, it would be on his side and not yours. There is no scientific or empiric evidence that supports your claims.

>>34488608
Yes there fucking is, you stupid nigger. Hundreds of studies have been done on how the brain works, and you can find them just by googling it.

>>34488608
That's not how the brain fucking works. Everything a person feels or thinks comes from the chemicals their brain produces. Science has fucking proven this.

>>34488620
No, there isn't and no, there haven't. You've fallen for a marketing scam. You are not an expert in this field, you've just been listening to commercials. These companies lost lawsuits in which they had to admit that they invented the "chemical imbalance" terminology for the sake of profit.

>>34488627
Science hasn't even "proven" that consciousness comes from the brain, much less emotional states like happiness. How do you empirically measure happiness? You literally can't. You need to actually study how the scientific method works, instead of being a superstitious moron.

>>34488608
Having a family is literally a necessity. It is physically impossible to live without friends or family. It stresses the brain out. This is why our ancestors lived in large tribes; because being alone was dangerous.

This is why so many isolated people end up killing themselves or having heart attacks much earlier than normal.

>>34488632
Companies literally cannot release false information to the public, you retard. It's illegal, and even if it wasn't, their shareholders would sue the fuck out of them.

>>34488632
Then explain why people feel happy when they do certain things or are around certain people.

>>34488635
No, it's literally not. Every civilization on earth has had ascetic traditions wherein members of the tribe go out in insolation for long periods of time and come back happier than they've ever been before. Sometimes they never come back, preferring their meditation to social living. If having a family were a "literal necessity", then Buddhist and Hesychastic monks wouldn't be the happiest and most mentally balanced people in human history.

>>34488640
>>34488643
Oh, you're just pretending to be stupid for kicks. Alright, carry on anon.

>>34488644
You're full of shit. Humans don't work like that.

>>34488577
Just because the two are connected DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE SAME THING! My arm is connected to my shoulder, are they the same thing? Reputation affects volume of sales, and vice versa, are they the same thing?

You don't fucking know what science is. Nice replication crisis you got there, top notch "science" of the highest calibre, huh, paid for and brought to you by big ass billion dollar pharma, nice work

>>34488575
Nobody's forcing shit, you change your circumstances to change your brain chemicals, like if you're sad you're getting robbed, you get your money back from the thief, not sit there and watch and drug your fucking brain

>>34488620
Hundred of studies have been done on how the brain works? And what did they prove? That >>34488627 triviality that everything in the universe is a chemical gradient? Well then those are a waste of hundreds of studies since as stated, we already know everything in the universe is a bunch of chemicals. That changes nothing. Are these good chemicals? Are these chemicals bad? All you're saying is that they're chemicals, and yes, everything in the universe is chemicals, so how is this meant to be insightful at all?

>>34488635
>It is physically impossible to live without friends or family.
No it's not. Plenty of people have lived in-a-woods alone, they don't just suddenly physically spontaneously combust or some shit.

>having heart attacks much earlier than normal.
And plenty of people have heart attacks much earlier by living surrounded by people who do not have their best interests at heart, whether it be from getting shilled into smoking or pollution or whatever myriad influences that come from other people (including friends and family) that are deleterious to one's physical health.

>>34488640
They literally just said that companies got sued for releasing false information for the sake of profit. Just because something is illegal or carries a potential risk of getting sued doesn't mean that thing will never be done ever again. If that were true then why do jails and courts still exist

>>34488643
Oh, I don't know, maybe because they took medication to alter their brain chemicals into feeling happy, because that's the only way to change your brain chemistry??

>>34488277
Really? Is that why I get so much meaningless pain from shit like anxiety and crap?
>>34488501
I at least feel like I’m doing productive things, heck it feels like I’m going out to make something with the awareness of me.


Also from this ensuing conversation/arguement, I generally think I can do what I can to fix my problems but also I think in the idea of a Consciousness-Brain like symbiosis, a bridge of spirituality and science.

I mean the brain wouldn’t need fixing if one can truly understand and solve the problems of the brain, unless your autistic or brain damaged or something. Even then the brain could heal.

>>34488753
It doesn't have to be fully productive, just needs to be more productive than whatever you're current doing. If you can make a case for yourself why this is more productive than that, then you win.

What is the point of the brain? To lead our bodies to survival and reproduction. So what brain would need fixing? One that doesn't do it's job of leading the body to survival and reproduction? And yet some of the smartest most efficient and happiest brains don't lead the body to survival and reproduction. Sometimes there's something even MORE important than just survival and reproduction. Something there's something that MAKES the pain of survival and reproduction worth it.

>>34488816
*Sometimes there's
*pains of

>>34488816
Well when in the case of survival and reproduction it tends to lead one to question the point of the survival, the meaningfulness behind the pointless existence of anxiety, and over the most stupid of things.
To me at the end it’s to understand the idiocy of complexity in this case the compleixity bias and the urge to know everything I guess?
I just wish to be happy to be free of all this, while knowing the world is worth living despite the worthless pain you know?

>>34489239
There can never be such a thing as worthless pain. An honest look into any pain, difficulty or trial will always reveal that there was a lesson to be learned at the center of it. Because if there was no lesson to be learned, you would have already known how to avoid the pain in the first place. All that's really needed is for a person to learn how to appreciate personal growth. Someone who loves the feeling of becoming a better man will never be miserable ever again, because all of his difficulties become treasures.

>>34489274
Fuck off with your bullshit

>>34488491
Retort:
>Uh no just stop feeling bad lol

This is what stigma means. People see brains as a magical object object outside of the body like a soul or something. It's crazy how triggering it is to to suggest it's literally a physical phenomenon like any other part of the body and can be dysfunctional in the same way for no fault of the person besides having bad genes

>>34489341
>>34489656
First off, be more upfront here and not just say stuff like fuck off, this is an advice over mental health shit.

Secondly I do agree I probably got bad genes, probably also alcohol shit idk

>>34489656
It's not triggering, it's just wrong. If the brain were responsible for what you're claiming it's responsible for, then change would be literally impossible. Somebody who's afraid of spiders could never, under any circumstance other than brain surgery, become unafraid of spiders. The fact that exposure therapy works proves your entire theory wrong and unscientific.

>>34489656
Nobody said "just stop feeling bad". I said investigate WHY you feel bad. Not to just immediately stop feeling bad all of a sudden, you dimwit. You lack basic reading comprehension.

>This is what stigma means.
Point to the stigma, idiot. Nowhere did I say hurr durr you have mental struggles go be ashamed of it and ignore it and never show anybody and never address it hurr durr

>People see brains as a magical object object outside of the body like a soul or something.
I never implied the brain was a magical object outside the body. It's part of the body, but that doesn't make "mental struggles" equivalent to literal physical struggles (unless we're talking neurological malformations as I've already fucking said 3 times). 99% of "mental struggles" are people simply reacting to their shitty circumstances and their body is signalling to them that their circumstances are shitty but instead of addressing these shitty circumstances y'all think your body's signalling mechanisms are faulty and that it's time to drug yourself to oblivion. No, your body has signalling mechanisms for a reason. Use them.

>>34489656
>It's crazy how triggering it is to to suggest it's literally a physical phenomenon like any other part of the body and can be dysfunctional in the same way for no fault of the person besides having bad genes
It's "triggering" because it's literally wrong and based off of ignorance and mental laziness and brainwashing. Again, nobody said it's the fault of the person. I pointed time and time again to the environment and not the person. If anything, YOU are blaming the person, saying it's their brain, whilst I am shifting the blame onto their actual synergy with the environment rather than something wrong with their literal, physical, brain. If they had "bad genes" then they'd have literal physical brain nodules and neurological abnormalities that make them have fatal seizures, or they'd actually miss the highway between left and right hemispheres like in agenesis corpus callosum, yet these people somehow don't make a million excuses and they just get the support they need and make amends to their life and reach normal functioning eventually even if a bit delayed, whilst all y'all brains just somehow magically broken and can't be fixed unless you eat magical meds that fix everything all of a sudden (great way to become addicted! Oh, it's another mental illness! How should we cure addiction to drugs? More drugs??)

>>34489239
That's why I said there's something ELSE that makes pains of survival and reproduction WORTH IT. You can both reduce the pains and also find something ELSE that makes pains endurable.

>idiocy of complexity
And that's why you feel anxious, because you're facing needless complexity. The only way out of complexity is to learn your way out of it so the complexity is no longer just abstract complexity and it actually starts to makes sense. Complexity is just a pile of unknown, and unknown sparks fear because it is potentially dangerous.

>>34489765
Even if you have bad genes, neuroplasticity makes it so the brain is actually fairly shielded from the effects of bad genes. You see ugly and physically weak people often specialise into more mental pursuits (nerdy or whatever), because that's where they'll spend their time and energy since there's less point pursuing physical feats like athleticism or whatever. Nietzsche had terrible genes yet he didn't let it obstruct his mental pursuits, in fact it helped inform and take his mental pursuits to the next level compared to everyone else around him at the time.

>>34489996
To add, humans/hominid as a species evolved to reduce physical strength and "fitness" in favour of more brain-i-ness and mental agility to protect from the environment. Neanderthals and etc had more physical strength but turned out mental agility was more favourable so they got bred out, so sapiens ended up being the dominant "animal" on this earth. How did all the other humans survive to reproduce for hundreds of thousands of years if they had "broken brains" and "chemical imbalances" and no pharma-made meds to fix them all?

>>34490043
Because they lived fighting against mother nature, with pretty straightforward and simple aims (survive, avoid plague, avoid storm, seek warmth in cold, secure food) rather than living fighting against a synthetic machine environment full of needlessly obscure complexity.

>>34489976
>>34489996
So they thrived despite the odds and made it worthwhile? Neat

>>34491098
Not just despite the odds, they changed the odds using their mental agility

>>34478390
I have OCD too, it's a nightmare, on top of depression with severe anhedonia. I'm also extremely introverted and basically a hermit. I should be on psychiatric medication but am extremely wary of it (in part due to the OCD). I'm borderline non-functional and my quality of life is in the shitter.
Unfortunately for people like us drugs are probably our only hope, our minds are death traps from which there's no escape, the only option is mind altering substances to help make our mindscapes more tolerable to exist in

>>34491368
See that’s what I’m saying, like if anything ego death or outright total brain restructuring is just the best thing, cause there is no purpose for any of this to even happen, but it does.

It’s very existentially dreadful and makes one wonder why would I want to exist if I’m going to exist like this in any chance in any time and place?

>>34492126
You say that but if I were to threaten your life away from you you'd panic and suddenly your life has every purpose and you'd be begging for another chance

>>34491368
You're completely capable of exercising your mind so that you can be in control of it. The only issue is that you haven't tried and aren't willing to put in any effort. Drugs won't help.

>>34478390
Anything more productive you could channel this odd compulsion into?

Something data analist related seems promising.

>>34492379
This, I got told already if you’d look up that niga and this anonymous has told me that apparently it’s one with thinking of hope and hopelessness, what can be done and can’t be done, what is not to be anxious over, and to overcome the pain with realization of worthless time wasting.
>>34493113
What’s that mean? I mean I’ve done my idea of understanding what kind of websites there are (6 types), or what kind of time (39-59 seconds is about a minute)

Don’t really know anything else.

>>34494329
Don't listen to people that don't think mental illness is fake because they're tired of le quirky college girls wearing a million fake diagnosea as their personality. Go to a doctor, if you really can't function they'll put you on meds to help. It's possibly a chemical imbalance rather than just being "lazy" like they claim.

>>34497091
>don't think mental illness is fake
is real*

>>34497091
>It's possibly a chemical imbalance
there's no chemical that forces somebody to use the internet against their will. it's literally just a habit, and habits can only be built and broken through repetition.

>>34497104
Well I mean isn’t it true what with being backed up with anxiety?
Also kinda having a hard time still

>>34497352
no, it's not true. fears don't come from chemicals either, since everyone has different fears. if fears came from the brain itself then everyone would be afraid of the same things. obviously there's a personal element. it's always going to be hard at first to get over a fear or stop a bad habit, but it gets easier with practice. just gotta keep trying and not give up or start blaming shit like chemicals and organs.

>>34497503
Alright, so I clock any urge with a thought of hope or hopelessness or something.
Something can be done or it can’t, or idk.

>>34491368
just get quality psychotherapy

no drugs involved

>>34497091
Being "lazy" IS a chemical "imbalance". But the solution is not to directly tamper with your brain to "increase" or "decrease" whatever chemical levels look "lazy". You're meant to investigate yourself and your environment to find what actually caused the "chemical imbalance" then fix those (either fixable so you fix it - "hope", or not fixable so you learn to manage it - "hopeless").

For some reason we outsourced this process to the medical and health industry. Mental "health" needs to be de-medicalized. Only psychiatrists have anything to do with the "health" fields because they prescribe safe and targetted dosages for whatever you're trying to accomplish. I.e. glorified legal drug dealers

It's not that mental "illness" is "fake", it's the entire medicalized language used around it that should be removed. Replace it with "mental struggle" or "mentally unwell" but don't use medical language and pathologized terminology to conflate it with physical illness.

People can voluntarily choose psychoactive drugs to help with their goals (temporarily), and that's it. It's not "necessity", it's just a catalyst for whatever your actual solution is

The only people who actually need to be force-treated are people who are dangerous and at risk of committing crimes and harming other people.

>>34498470
It's not just hope or hopeless, you have to back it up with actual logic. Like if it's hopeful, there needs to be logical evidence behind it. You can't just pick one or the other. You actually need to weigh the options and get the data to weigh it up. I.e. exercise logic until you've exhausted everything. And this is actually a very active process, you can't just sit on your ass and think only, you have to test your hypotheses out there

>>34498725
All that on deciding if I should google something and list something out?

Like if I say I wanna this, I put down all I can think of and how much I hate people who make shitty videos, it could be considered hopeful cause it’s just trash right? So it wouldn’t be worth my time.

But if there’s uncertainty about it, and I’m unsure, then it’s probably hopeless, or until I crack it and it turns into hope. Break the impossible to possible.

>>34499116
List everything until exhaustion, yes. Depends what you're trying to convince yourself of. Maybe there's a pattern behind your activity and compulsions that will show you what you need to start addressing.

>>34499888
Personally I’ve been having better dreams recently and I think it may have something to do with some shit I saw on the net, that and incognito mode, got tired of constantly cleaning out my search history here and there.

How do you even begin to have a normal life if you have severe mental illness

If it makes you feel better in a few billion years the earth will be consumed by the sun and no one will know we we’re ever here or existed.

Hell, in 100 years we’ll all be dusty bones and nobody will know who we were or what we stood for or loved or liked or sucked at.

My advice? I have none. Brain always wins.

>>34478390
That’s not your brain so much as it that you are under mind control. We are not born to fuck with the internet. Find a driveshaft for my El Camino without the internet and you will be cured.

>>34501765
True
>>34501773
Fuckkkkkkkk
>>34501785
Driveshaft? Also yeah I kinda felt it was gonna be something with “Survivalist brain can’t handle the burden of the internet.” Fucking evolution.

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>>34478390
>autism
take risperidone
>ocd
take sertraline

>>34504169
>sertraline

I took a single pill of this and it permanently fucked up my ability to get erections

>>34504192
Oh yeah that and bowel issues

I have intrusive thoughts being spammed in my head 24/7. I can't wait until im dead honestly. This didnt used to happen and now I keep thinking back to when my brain was normal and seething.
Even if i was a billionaire now my life would still be shit

Have you tried any recreational drugs. Good practice freaking out and learning to turn away from all that and try to chill.

>>34506742
>>34510109
My bad. (You)

>>34510109
Yes I've done a lot of drugs, I was addicted to kratom when my ocd started and I've quit now.
Maybe it did something with my serotonin

>>34506333
Was thinking about this, funny how one could suffer so much from a bunch of chemicals