I am ugly enough that I cannot imagine a world in which a woman finds me attractive. The idea is simply laughable. My evidence being that I have never had a woman signal any interest in me.So what am I supposed to do besides accept what is and peacefully find other things to do in life?
>>34489352I am not in any way conventionally attractive; I'm also not tall, fit, or wealthy. But plenty of women have been attracted to me in the past, because I come across as confident, and because I make them laugh. That's all it takes.
>>34489352I agree with >>34489404. Being physically attractive is not as important as one may think.Yeah being handsome helps or course, but women are mostly looking for a partner that will make them feel happy and safe. This is done in many different aspects.>being confident>proving you are able to offer financial AND emotional stability>sharing life values and opinions>sharing enough interests>having a good mood>showing that you are able to care for yourself, her, and possible offspringThat's mostly it.
>>34489427>>34489404I see your point but that still doesn't change the fact that I simply have not had a woman express interest in me before in my life.And then there are boomers online yelling that young people need to start breeding.
>>34489897Yeah I get it man. This kind of pressure sucks.At the end of the day, I think you should just do your best to ignore them, and do what you believe works for you.As for the woman not showing interest, it could be due to things mentioned before. Do you talk with them? Do you do so with confidence? Are you polite, cordial, joyful? Do you take care of your health and appearance? Can you maintain a conversation? That sort of thingI know it is a lot of stuff, and I'm not judging, just trying to better paint the situation.
>>34489897>that still doesn't change the fact that I simply have not had a woman express interest in me before in my life.Sure, but it's not because of the way you look. What does cause that is something that you can choose to change.
>>34489352I guess the only thing you can do is save money to get cosmetic surgery for your biggest deficits
>>34489404>>34489427These are bots or liars with ugly gook gfs
>>34489404>>34489427>just improve your personality broI'm not trying to be snide or anything, but how do you argue against the blackpill idea of alpha fucks beta bucks?I:E, if you're some schlub who is nice and makes money, she might like you as a person, but how exactly is she attracted to you physically?like I have friends who I care about a lot, but I don't want to fuck them. In a womans case though, she is pressured to get married and theres the idea of "settling" with the safe kind guy.
>>34490047There is no pressure for women to get married. Its not 1970.
Have you ever asked a girl out?
>>34489352What do you look like? I really don't think looks matter too much, just personality. I wouldn't consider myself attractive, but not ugly either, and I truly have only dated a guy who I actually get along with and share interests, and apparently my friends deemed him "too ugly" for me, and I didn't mind - I even found him quite cute.If you can find a woman who you share interests with and can speak to, I can guarantee someone will find you genuinely interesting and attractive.
>>34489999Neither one of those.What do you expected me to say?>oh yeah youre ugly, it's all over, you're doomed boohoo no ugly person has any chance on this life whatsoever?I don't believe that. Plenty of ugly mofos out there who just live their life in peace, with wives, with family, with jobs, with friends, and I guarantee they didn't get any of that by moping and lamenting how ugly they were all day. They took action, they took care of themselves, they made it work.
>>34490047>just improve your personality broI know it isn't easy, but the person has to find some way to make things work in their favor, be it by working on their confidence (if they lack confidence, what causes this lack of confidence?), taking better care of themselves, and passing to the person the idea that they are a good catch.Or you can wait until you strike gold and somehow you come across a person who love you exactly how you are without you having to put any sort of effort into it (your hygiene, the way you dress, the way you behave, the way you interact), but that is exceedingly rare; it almost always requires some effort.The chads you mention, what makes them chads? It's not just their appearance, it is their attitude. Sure, it is easier to be confident when you don't overthink things and keep thinking 'oh im ugly, no one can love a face like mine' etc., but it is certainly not the only factor. They weren't born with a perfectly sculpted body, their teeth aren't immune to rot, they get fat and smelly if they don't take care of themselves, they weren't born knowing what to say. Everyone needs to work for it.
>>34490097I expect you to acknowledge reality, lying faggot
>>34490117>effort>hygiene>fashion>the way you behave You're such a stupid cunt
Sticks and stones. Call me names all you want, I've already said my piece. You're free to cry all day lamenting how life is oh so unfair to you, nothing will change until you change yourself, but that is too much work for you.
>>34490062No, because I have never gotten any signals from a woman for me to approach.
>>34490139OK big baby
>>34490189Correct
>>34490117I'm not trying to say effort doesnt lead to anything.I am not a proponent of the philosophy "Lay down and rot."But based off of the feelings I've had regarding my lack of any positive attention from women, I have instead tried to focus on finding purpose in practicing my hobbies.I'm generally pretty happy. I just feel like I face outward pressure from others to get into a relationship. Not that I wouldn't want one myself, but my strategy has just been "Extremely unlikely, so I'm going to focus on myself. But if it happens, it happens."
>>34489352It sucks but we just have to accept it and find other pursuits and things we enjoy. Guys like us used to be expected to just go off and die in a war but we don't have that as readily available to thin the herd anymore
>>34490444Not OP but if had the discipline a military has I wouldn't be here hating myself and my body. I would already trying to write a book about neuropsychology, try to join them or the police force and earn myself contacts that allow me to perform the most painful, inhuman experiments and interrogation tactics with criminals
>>34489897>but that still doesn't change the fact that I simply have not had a woman express interest in me before in my life.Almost no man has. You're supposed to ask women out, not the other way round. If you're not confident enough to ask a woman out, you can guarantee she won't be attracted to you. Confidence is everything.
>>34490047>I'm not trying to be snide or anything, but how do you argue against the blackpill idea of alpha fucks beta bucks?It's not something you need to "argue" against, you simply observe that it's bullshit.
>>34489352You need an equally ugly/desperate woman. They're out there.
>>34491601Im not saying women ask men out. I'm saying women technically make the first move by expressing interest. By looking and smiling. Expressing approachability.To which the man approaches.I have never recieved any of these such signals.
>>34491612Women are unable to turn off their ego in order to date an ugly guy unless he is rich or charismatic
oh I'm confident alright.Confident that women don't like me
>>34494250>Tranime poster is pathetic.Many such cases.
OP does not want a girlfriend, he only wants to whine.
>>34494273There have been a number of doomers that came in here to make their own statements, but I honestly didn't make this thread to whine. I wanted to ask questions.
Why even bother if I'm a 35 year old subhuman virgin?
This is a very well-put example of the feelings I've had.I am ugly. I can never be a handsome man. That doesn't mean that a woman can never love me. But the idea of a woman ever looking at me with attraction feels too foreign from my life experience for me to ever imagine. And were I to date a woman, I could only ever feel that I am not actually the man she wants. But rather, a man she latched on to so that she wouldn't have to feel alone. And that makes me feel guilt and sadness. guilt because I feel like I'm keeping her from chasing what she actually wants. Sadness at the thought that I simply cannot be that man, The one she truly wishes forI'm not trying to whine. These feelings of mine exist in a vacuum and haven't faced scrutiny. I want these beliefs to come under scrutiny. I want people to argue against them. To prove them wrong.
>>34489352No woman will ever love you anon, 90% of women out there do not love their man, they don't know how to love anyway; they only tolerate him as long as he provides.Learn to be stoic and get by without their fake and subpar love therefore about 90% of women should be invisible to you. Rise up above your biological programming.Take care of your health anons and find distractions to help pass the time, that's all most people do anyway, the difference is they do it with somebody so time spent together flows differently. It's merely an illusion though
>>34489352You answered your own question. Build a life you can enjoy. My dumb fat ass was miserable and lonely. Couldn't fix lonely, but I could fix being miserable. Got closer to my parents, started going to church, and worked hard, played harder. Turns out, when you are feeling positive and when you are starting to accomplish things, women start seeing you differently. Go build a fulfilling life.
>>34495244Don't bother. Did you want me to encourage you to do something?
>>34489352Women now have an abundance of men to chose from online. Every average woman and above who has social media, and they all do, is bombarded with hordes of male attention and suitors. But this also happens in real life, at school, in their social circle and everywhere else they go. They are importing millions of men every year into the west and have been doing this for decades now. The competition is fierce and you are now not only competing with your countrymen males but also endless supply of third worlders, some of which are hard working, decent looking, and willing to breed the average white woman and wage his life away for a chance to wash away his non-white genes.No point mentioning the fact that all women who are worth their shit are already taken or the fact that a large part of women would rather be part of Chads harem playing the sex kitten.
