Hello, ive realized lately i have a problem once i started trying to date again and that that i am not attracted to anyone i do attract. I usually attract fat women, fat black women, fat mentally ill women, and fat trannies. I am not fat myself, actually slightly underweight and have an active lifestyle. Ive tried giving these women a chance but the physical misery and depression they go through on literally a daily basis makes my life harder and limits what we can do. None of them can hike, none of them have the palate for food that isnt from a drive through window. Most have shit personalities. Most have preexisting expensive health conditions. I do not want to start a life with any of them and i am just flat out not physically attracted to them. Im pretty sure it has something to do with me as a person, but i am 1) not sure if whats causing this is fixable and 2)dont know what it is but i have hunches since online i can get women i am attracted to but in person i cantIf this is the only types of women i can attracted i will i guess have to eat the fact that i will either have to settle for them or learn to live alone. If i were to build my perfect woman she would probably look similar to pic related and not be a bitch 60% of the time. She would also not be so mentally ill she cant function for days if not weeks at a time and doesnt cheat. Similar interests and hobbies would be a major bonus. Issue is this is every single guy around mes standard too(young,loyal, mentally well not fat women) so the competition is ferocious. I feel like i either need to self improve(which that can only go so far), accept the fatties or learn to live alone as the current state of the world is.
>>34522061Relationships often involve both learning about and deciding if the other person's faults, looks and quirks are acceptable for them or not. It's up to the couple to decide what they can accept or not.That being said, I don't think it's good for you to be with someone you feel nothing for, both romantically, emotionally and physically. Yeah nobody is perfect, but I don't see a point in being with someone if you don't feel nothing for them.
>>34522061>I attract amerimuttsI'm sorryTry meeting new people by joining associations that deal with your non autistic hobbies and interests
>>34522102My hobbies are hiking, rock climbing, fishing, writing, gardening, cooking and music. How autistic are these hobbies? Also basically every association or meet up ive been to either the women are taken or they already have their eyes locked on like ten other dudes and will not budge away from any of them. >>34522087>That being said, I don't think it's good for you to be with someone you feel nothing for, both romantically, emotionally and physically. Yeah nobody is perfect, but I don't see a point in being with someone if you don't feel nothing for them.I agree but that is all i can attract. And thats if i am lucky. I just feel like a fucking retarded incel for the demands i have because they are so out of reality, its like being a woman demanding 6ft, 6 figures and whatever else when arguably they dont provide that much either. In a womans eyes, i dont provide enough to demand this, which gives me that elliot rogers ass look of entitlement. Like im over here, as a 4/10, asking for 7/10s on the low end and then whining and getting depressed when i dont get it. I have no idea if i should work towards being attracted to women who are in my league(and thus fat) or accept that i will be alone because i am attracted to women 3 leagues above me.
>>34522061Same situation here, they are physically repulsive and I do not find them attractive yuck. Still a dateless virgin in my 30s, I’m tall, not fat, have all my hair, make $60k a year, have my own car etc.
>>34522128You are basically me as well, white, 6'0, not fat, have all my hair, make 65k a year, my own car, my own place, active hobbies, active social life, 29 years old. Doesnt matter. Only can get fat chicks. I could possibly deal with chubby but nah, these women are fat fat. True eaters. I am wondering if i should try moving to europe or somewhere where the food isnt literal actual poison because it seems to hit our women like a truck. Looking at various delusion calculators my standards, at max, leave me with between 2.6-4.2% of the the entire US population. Im assuming my bulk competition is men between 18-40 who are heterosexual. According to the napkin math i just did, that means theres 40 million men competing for 4 million women who are between 18-30, arent obese and are any race. If you add white, which seems to be the women im most attracted to, you are left with 2 million in the entire us, the US has 330 million people in it. That standard is high as fuck in our country. Which makes me want to move.
>>34522145I would argue that a woman who matches the description of the pic i posted plus the traits i would want, probably makes up less than 0.2% of the population since its factoring in obese, not chubby. Actual skinny girls are rare as FUCK and extremely sought after. These standards are keeping me alone, i dont want to be alone but i also dont want to date someone who i dont want to be with
>>34522118>hiking, rock climbing, fishingOnly old retired rich guys do these>gardening, cookingOnly old retired women do these>musicOnly potheads do these.
>>34522164Well the only hobbies most guys in their mid to late 20s have is playing video games and jerking off so i guess im different than a lot of dudes. I also have met a lot of people my age in these hobbies but again, as far as women go, they are either taken or very VERY much looking for a different guy. If they are under 25 they dont want to date period and just want to fuck the infinite hot guys they see on their phone. Some more daring will try to date these guys but fail miserably and have a ridiculous amount of drama in their lives over it.
>>34522061If you persist, you will find someone good enough for you. Don't lower the standards too much.
>>34522239Im nearly 30 and havent had a girlfriend my entire life. Eventually i either need to let go or go lower. Its weird though because when i was younger than 18 i did have two girls who were interested in me that matched the description above but its like women have gotten worse and worse over the years and the ones who havent demand so much i cant do or make up for. Idk what changed. I should be able to meet someone like that but i just never do.
>>34522145I’m 6’7, you aren’t exactly tall. Also I have a preference for white women and I think American white women are the most beautiful, as long as they aren’t fat, tan, have piercings and tattoos.
>>34522255>American white women are the most beautiful, as long as they aren’t fat, tan, have piercings and tattoos.the 1.6% goes down to 0.5% immediately lol
>>34522187Women don't tend to do things on their own. There places women go to that also have a lot of guardians around them, church for example, and church women tend to be nutjobs too.A girl who does hiking would be rare, why would she be out there where she can get raped? One day I saw a female backpacker in my shithole country, she was alone and didn't look like she was enjoying anything, she probably got approached by english speaking browns wherever she went (I was one of them lel), she probably did it on impulse or to try the lifestyle.I've seen a LOT of women in theater classes with gay instructors that do retarded abstract dance or child plays instead of acting. Dance classes that do tiktok routines instead of pair dancing. Girls love cosplay so sewing could be it. For music, they tend to go for singing or maybe piano and flute, mayybe violing but anything that needs strong discipline they'd drop it quick.And any of these are the women who try. I bet most just stay at home watching netflix, petting their dog and flirting with classmates to fuck.
>>34522269Everywhere I go they have black children or a black boyfriend/girlfriend. The last 6 years have opened my eyes.
>>34522061If you really are the person you describe, then your difficulties are probably due to your behavior. I have quite a few friends who are in the same situation as you, and I think it could be caused by several things: 1) maybe a lack of charisma that leads to awkward situations; 2) you aren’t interesting enough or interested enough; 3) try to take care of yourself too—buy some new clothes, work out, etc. In short, everyone finds their perfect match eventually. Try to improve on the things you can control. I know that if some of my friends worked on these kinds of details, they’d find someone super easily. good luck ;)
>>34522286I try to ask all the young women at my workplace what they do for fun and they all say they watch I dunno movies I guess….. so being the mister know it all is useless. Plus the foids always follow advice from some black man on TikTok over your own.
>>34522296Your perfect match is some used up 30 year old whore with 2 race mixed children. Now be a man and father them!
>>34522296Probably lack of charisma and lack of caring for myself i agree. Its hard to lock in with that when i get really depressed being alone. I seem to base a lot of value of myself on other people and especially women.
>>34522300>>34522293Is this some israeli psyop or do you guy not go outside? Every time im on here people are ranting about the "teh blacks" taking all the white women and doing shit with white women. White women arent fucking black guys en masse. Look at the stats. Theres a percentage that is yes but its not all or even a majority. White women are taking the advice of other women on tiktok, usually women paid off by whatever to divide the country.
>>34522307The retards on 4chan try to accuse me of making shit up when I literally see it EVERYWHERE I GO, even my workplace! And even when I drive 2 hours away from where I live!!! And you tell me it’s a coincidence!
>>34522300You know, somebody the other day recommended watching the craig ferguson talk show. I noticed the girls were engaged out of feeling compelled to follow a quick paced conversation rhythm. The conversation went to nonsensical dead ends constantly, but the gameish nature of the conversation made them feel pressured to keep it going.I guess it's a learned skill to mix that with actually getting to know the person. Girls seem to have their defenses up all the time, even when you're being well meaning, teenagers are probably the only ones who act more freely. I would, and personally I should, try to use all the useless shit I know not to draw a deep conclussion but just to see others entertained. It's a different skill from thinking and analyzing, it's about comparing, matching and evoking concepts quick.
>>34522347Chill man, not everyone here is serious, the more wild the claims the less serious they are. Yeah, these times are shit. Ugly people with low inhibition are drawn to money and big cities all the same. Europe is full of browns of your brand of choice too, they live in enclaves on the outskirts, maybe your location has a lot to do with it but moving can be direly costly to you.Sometimes I wonder what's the point of living in places where you struggle, whether god intended you to marry someone you know you wouldn't love only so your kid gets nurtured with your pained wisdom, or if he wants to see you out of it from taking big risks. One thing is certain and it doesn't need god to realize it, that if you take it the easy way nothing will change and you would only see the rot growing around you as time passes.
>>34522384I never moved. My town was mostly white and Hispanic minority, now it’s Hispanic majority larping as whites while the actual white women choose blacks to have children with. I think Hispanic women are not attractive and smell bad too.
>>34522441East coast?
>>34522546Yes more like Midwest.
>>34522286>I bet most just stay at home watching netflix, petting their dog and flirting with classmates to fuck.You've got think simpler than that, I've met women that their hobbies are eating, watching TV, social media, sleeping, etc.What is especially amusing is when the woman with eating and sleeping as hobbies acts as if you're a troglodyte because you have actual hobbies.>>34522061I'm right there with you OP, and I'm pretty sure woman have degraded since when I was in my early 20s.I'm even giving the fatties a chance right now and can't find any woman that isn't completely a hot mess. I'm just talking to every woman trying to find one that isn't on disability due to major health issues, is sane enough to function day to day, isn't trying to add me to a male harem, isn't going to include a dyke in the relationship, or isn't going to directly ask me to support her and Tyrone's baby on the first date as if I'm the friggin welfare office; It's can be pretty bad out there.Was supposed to go on a date this weekend, woman was older than me and chubby but seemed relatively normal if not a bit basic.She called me the day before and dropped all this trauma and baggage, told me she was basically homeless, and looking for a home for her and her son.
>>34522835>sleepingUnbelievable, if she tells you this you're not asking enough or she doesn't want to tell you about her, or is too dumb to remember.What do these women like? If they really like nothing this is the female equivalent of incels.
>>34522848>UnbelievableI wasn't joking about that, it was a fat woman that lived with her Mom, didn't have a job, and had greenish blue dyed hair. I was trying to find hobbies or something we could relate on and I asked her what her hobbies were since she had basically nothing listed. She said she likes eating and is kind of a foodie, likes to watch her shows, "and... I don't know I like sleeping a lot".When I asked her what shows she likes she listed channels, that she watches a lot of HBO and Animal planet.I asked if there was any particular shows she likes, she listed off a couple, I asked if she likes animals since she watches animal planet "No not really I just like nature shows".I asked her about eating and what places she like to go to>Oh, red robin, and burger king.I suggested a couple of places we could go, listed off a mom and pop restaurant that has good burgers>No, but you could come over and we could watch TV together.Okay, sure>Just so you know if you do come over, I'm bisexual and my girlfriend lives with me so she may come hang out with us, I'm just looking for a boyfriend as well.She then shows me a picture of said girlfriend and it's a fat, ugly, bull-dyke.I really wish this was one of those made up internet stories, but it happened and similar has happened to me multiple times since then.
>>34522835>You've got think simpler than that, I've met women that their hobbies are eating, watching TV, social media, sleeping, etc.I see plenty of women on apps like this but I also see the opposite side of the spectrum too>loves traveling, has been to 50+ countries and wants a travel partner (or someone to pay for her trips)>loves snowboarding, horse back riding, and twenty other super expensive activities that you cant do on a normal weekday
>>34522061>literally just met a girl like thisGod is listening
>>34522118Nah your hobbies are cool dude, they indicate an interesting lifestyle and a wide set of home skills.It makes for interesting conversation. That other anon is tripping.So the problem is not your hobbies. Hell, the problem might not even be on your side at all, it might just be bad luck or timing.I'd say to keep at it and wait. Maybe you can try to groom yourself a bit, improve your physique, post some photos showing it, in order to display your feathers and improve your chances.Or at least I assume that's what you do. I have no experience in dating apps at all.In any case, good luck OP. Keep taking care of yourself mang, you'll find someone eventually.
>>34523756Personally trying to date again after a decade of being alone has made me really just not want to do it again. The main reason why i wanted to wasnt even about loneliness, like in my early to mid 20s, its over wanting to know who i actually am. Like you know when you are hungry? Or tired? Are you you? When something is being severely neglected in life, are you you? And you are deprived of these things do you develop properly? Does your brain function well? I feel like the person i am, and the mental issues i have, are just caused by me being "starved" so to speak for so long, only having small crumbs of "bread" to satiate myself. I want to know who i am as a person, but if the person i apparently am can only get fat angry boring women im not attracted to i guess i will just stay alone. I also feel like a manchild a lot even though i have a job, and pay for all my own stuff, and am responsible, the fact i havent really had what most guys have makes me feel like i never grew up. I have so many friends who are getting married, and having kids, and im over here at basically 30 with nothing. Im trying to go on my first date. Thats one hell of late bloom. If i could be with someone who i actually liked then i would possibly grow up. Maybe i never was supposed to and i should count my blessings i dont have to deal with some woman.
>>34523672I met a girl who no joke looked like this girl a while ago, its why i even saved the image was because we were texting back and forth and i was going to send it to her since it looked exactly like her without glasses but never did. She had a boyfriend and like two other guys she was interested in besides me so it was never meant to be. Pretty sure she ended up homeless because of that guy she was dating being a fucking drug addicted bum. Ah well, maybe God is listening.
>>34522910I've met women like this and then some. Covid and poor parenting and abysmally low standards for a lot of women fucked up so many of them. The thing that bothers me is that I still see dudes out with women who aren't like this all the time. And these aren't successful attractive guys. Is the trick to meet someone while you both are in high school or college and just hope you can time sink them into staying with you? How are these bums dating and starting families with women we apparently have no fucking chance at all with? Crazy.
>>34524397I get everything you say and I'm in the same boat. The thing is it's difficult to bridge a bond with other people because by this point your stuff has become really complex. What makes it complex is the pressure, feeling like time is running out, feeling that you've gone a great length and only now you find yourself lost. It's almost a requirement both for your own well being and because people look others with well being already that you manage to not care, not to feel anxious even when deep in shit, and of course that's hard and it's the conundrum. Indeed, sometimes it's best to just let things pass without expecting them to turn out perfect. It's not about matching your league or working hard to be in another league, stuff like this is plain luck. You were unlucky that your life conditions were shit and set you back, some girl was lucky to be born with good lucks despite awful personality. It's 100% about keeping to try that luck, and in the process you learn about yourself, about what you want and what others want. The real killer here was never trying. I personally didn't try because my family didn't want me to fail at life, and I didn't want to disappoint either, that's like playing with the very first shit hand life dealt you and staying with it forever.>>34525147
>>34525147It's understated, and thanks to current media trends and social policy, it's actively hidden, how holdovers from highschool and early relationships in college end up being the most defining in people's lives. They come from a time where girls have low inhibition, they feel protected in a game, and everyone is hopeful about the future never seeing the obstacles of life. Girls are fairer with their selection and boys can put together an image of familiar safety. That said, nobody can go back to that.
>>34524397I'm in my 30's, never had a real date, but honestly I don't even know if I want to. It feels more like a chore or something that I HAVE to do in order to be a real man, rather than something I really want. I live my life, try to do good and help out, but I do feel lost. Like you, I also see most of my friends and family all married and with kids, and I don't.I feel like I don't even know what I want. I feel like I've lost connection to myself many years ago, and I'm desperate trying to make up for it, with no success. I don't think, first of all, that finding someone would be appropriate given my circumstances, and second, I don't even know if it'd be an improvement at all. Could easily make things worse, or maybe it could help out. I don't know, but honestly, I don't feel any strong feelings about it in either case.
>>34525493And this is why i guess i will just be alone if my options since im too old now is fat single moms and in general women im not attracted to. I really hope anyone under 25 realizes how INSANELY important that time of your life is for finding someone, you are just completely fucked if you want someone who you are attracted to if you wait too long. And whats funny with me is that the matches i got, was because i lied about my height by like 3-4 inches and put myself at 6ft and luckily none of them noticed. I had to lie just to get to the level of fat single moms.
>>34522118>they already have their eyes locked on like ten other dudes and will not budge away from any of them. Thats statistically impossible unless you go to abject sausagefests. Something is very off here, because your self description does not match up with the women you allegedly attract at all. Thing is, telling what you are doing wrong through the internet with ver ylimited information is almost impossible. You have to do something very fundamentally wrong in interpersonal interactions to end up in your position.
>>34525857Every guy wants basically the same type of woman, and if they dont want to be with her they still want to sleep with her becauses dudes standards arent that high. Thats the difference. I do agree, i probably am doing something wrong, but its probably something that i cant really change. Or am unaware of to even change. Also standards have gone way tf up in recent years and that changes things. I might be seen as average or even above average to you but to women i am seen as below average. Remember, they dont rate like men, they dont split hairs on if the guy is a 5 or a 4. If the guy is weird or ugly or both hes equal to a 1 or a 5. Its no all the way down.
>>34525869>Every guy wants basically the same type of womanComplete bullshit, literally the oppositeof what is true. While everyone agrees on which women are fuckable and which ones aren't, theres significant differences in what individual guys find truly hot.>dudes standards arent that highSpeak for yourself.Also, not being at least somewhat attractive requires a woman to truly fuck up. The average woman is build to be fuckable, women as a gender have far less outliers in both directions than men. >Also standards have gone way tf up in recent years and that changes things.Yeah if thats your mindset it explains a lot of things.You get what you give, and what you give is the impression of aman who has successfully destroyed his self esteem with internet memes.>they dont split hairs on if the guy is a 5 or a 4No sane guy outside the internet does that either. Especially not on a 4 since shes unfuckable by definition anyways. Shes either fuckable or she isn't. I alos note that you seem to think the fat women you describe meeting are just somewhat below average. Thats a distortion of truth. Fat mentally ill women are 1/10 by definition, bottom of the barrel, about as arousing as fucking some hairy gay dude in the ass. Your problem is that you think extremely bad about yourself, which shines through when you interact with others, and which you significantly worsen by doomscrolling shitty "influencers" online and believing that they represent reality.
>>34525910>While everyone agrees on which women are fuckableThat is the problem, its not that shes going to be taken, its that shes going to be fucked by other guys. And other guys are going to shoot their shot regardless if im with her or not. I dont want someone im dating fucking other people. >Also, not being at least somewhat attractive requires a woman to truly fuck up.exactly why i dont want to be with them >The average woman is build to be fuckableif they are not fat and young, that is like 2% of the population >what you give is the impression of aman who has successfully destroyed his self esteem with internet memes.Not internet memes just living life as a loser. I experienced what those memes are talking about, i didnt need the internet to tell me anything >I also note that you seem to think the fat women you describe meeting are just somewhat below average. 41% of women in the us are obese, thats almost the average, if shes fat she is a 4/10. >Fat mentally ill women are 1/10 by definitionshould be i agree>Your problem is that you think extremely bad about yourselfive been shown others think extremely badly of me and have my entire life no matter what i do.
>>34522061>If this is the only types of women i can attractno, you just have low standards and no self-respect. You need to know what kind of women you want and only go for that. Just because women are nice to you, doesn't mean you need to appease them. Are you retarded? Why would you give any attention to women you aren't attracted to LEL. Dating uglies or fatties? That couldn't be me.
>>34526908Im not nice to these women, they are usually nice to me or at least give me any attention at all, these are the only women who give me the time of day or dont just leave me unread in their dms. The woman i like is out of my league.
>>34527040>The woman i like is out of my league.yeah no self-respect or confidence. You're never gonna get a woman like that then if you don't even realize what you just posted
>>34527063Like i said i tried and i just know what i want is delusional as those women who want a guy who is 6ft and makes 6 figures and is super hot and etc etc. I dont bring enough to the table. Thats the problem. So either i aim for what i can get, or i accept im going to be single due to these standards.
Damn so does this mean that I should just settle down with my ran thru ex gf that has a body count of ~30 at 26 years old if yall are having this hard of a time securing a woman? She kinda friendzoned me in college cuz she saw me as someone good meanwhile she “didn’t love herself” and fucked around with abusive men/ one night stands/ got raped. She’s pretty smart and we can talk about anything and makes like ~120k a year but she’s a lil crazy all things considered given the fact she wanted to move in together / talked about marriage like 3 months into the relationship. She’s my first ever gf and the second girl I had sex with, but now she’s super catholic, “healed”, has tattoos. Oh yea I also forgot to mention she stabbed her ex in self defense over an argument they were having in the middle of a breakup, she flew all the way to Canada to talk to the guy, apparently she was obsessed. Oh yea and she had breast cancer like 2 years ago and is possible low fertility. Should I just stay and try to make it work regardless? Yall are scaring me if this is all I have to look forward to the closer I get to 30. I’m having a hard time coping with the fact I have to put be committed meanwhile other guys prolly got to fuck for little to no effort.
>>34527114This thread is more deciding if dealing with a life with someone who, imo, is a trainwreck, or living a life alone is better. How the fuck does she make $120k a year anyways if shes this unstable? Also are you sure shes even going to get back with you?
>>34527132>How the fuck does she make $120k a year anyways if shes this unstable?She’s in finance, I guess she’s just good at masking idk, but she’s got a strong personality kinda>Also are you sure shes even going to get back with you?Yea I mean we broke up like more than 5 or 6 times already. Our most recent breakup was like a week and a half ago but she called me Sunday night again to meet up and reconcile. But then that day while I was driving her home, she was looking thru my phone even tho I told her I didn’t get with anyone during the breakup, she found some pics in my deleted images folder that I screenshotted of girls that I had phone sex with thru this app I use. Mind you I forgave her in a previous breakup for literally going out on dates and kissing 2 dudes, one of them being a guy she fucked around with in the past. I’m planning on moving out soon and I’m sure she’d see me again if I did that, plus we have a concert this weekend that I had payed for months in advance, kinda tempted to ask her to go with me. My parents hate her tho cuz they think she treats me bad
>>34522102jesus yuropoors are rent free here too lolololol>>34522061work on being more attractive desu
>>34522187>most guys in their mid to late 20s have is playing video games and jerking offThose are the hobbies of the married late 20yr old men I can think of.The kind of men that get married is the average normie
I am >>34522441 and most women I see married are with men their height. I only see height difference if the man is black. Unfortunately I am white and tower over every women, and man that I see. Most men’s faces are at my chest level and they usually had sex.
