>>34531702
This is the bit where I tell you that a significant portion of women do not engage in hypergamy facilitated by dating apps, and you will find them if your circles overlap by way of shared interests or activities, through which you can develop a relationship naturally.
Then you tell me I'm bluepilled, that's cope, and all women are whores who only want Chad.
I might then try to remind you that your exposure to women through social media creates a pretty extreme selection bias.
Then it's a tossup whether you engage in good faith and exit this thread with a bit of renewed confidence, or double down on your prior assumption.
Which'll it be today, sir?

>>34531722
This such a good Meta response.

>>34531702
I'm also aware that I'm making a lot of rational considerations while people are moved by irrational actions and though it annoys me, for I want my GBP to be rewarded, is still understandable for fortune favours the bold.
But what though, I'm autistic as fuck, there are those who're experienced either by Birth or through time seemed to have naturally absorbed the code of saying the right things and doing the right things.
And these people do succeed in life and relationships, whereas I'm completely baffled on what to do and what to say, and how to say. Yes it has something to do with my upbringing where my family expects perfection in every aspect of my being and shrieking like a harp at the minute inconvenience or mistake without dust guiding through while they keep making mistakes and make no light of it and will shriek if you do, but since scientifically it is also attributed to genes as well, for my ancestors are known for making dogshit decisions and giving dogshit advice.
So I feel sabotaged somehow. Yes I'm actively trying to change myself, and have had dreams where I'm with my dream woman and when I'm with her I actively strive to be the best version of myself. But I have no girl in real life. And I feel the way I actually am, I would drive her away.

>>34531722
Listen to this anon. Meet real girls in your neighborhood. I met one that made me rethink my entire view on not only women but myself. I never saw myself as desirable to women at all so I never even tried pursuing one. But the things she says to me makes me feel like a chad. And now I feel like I get more attention from women than I ever have, just from believing in myself a little.

>>34531766
>I'm also aware that I'm making a lot of rational considerations while people are moved by irrational actions
I would caution against this line of thought. In the least harsh way possible, your contention that other people are more successful than you in life, with the justification that you are the only rational actor in a sea of impulse-driven idiots comes across to me as self-preservative egotism.
You claim your adversaries are both better than you (job, gf, outwardly happy), and worse (impulsive, emotional, not rational). The only conclusion left to draw from that line of thought is that you're fundamentally superior than everyone else, and reaching that conclusion will only worsen your chances at achieving your goal.
Consider the possibility that you have reached this conclusion as a means of protecting your own ego from the possibility that maybe you're wrong.
I would understand this mindset in an 18yo, but a bit of humility and reflection is in order here.
Perhaps if you're a little bit easier on yourself you will in turn be easier on others.
Your metrics for success are achievable. It's normal not to know what to say in these situations, and it's normal to feel embarrassed about it.

>>34531722
I agree with you, and I am saying that is totally understandable to me from a evolutionary biology sense. And have no issues if the girls do select chad. Yet There's no denial of the hypergamy for I've seen it occur first hand on numerous occasions, in school and college. But hypergamy wasn't my intention or focus, but the fact that women are free to make their choices, and one of those choices are also based on the culture where a cold approaching gentlemen may be arrested and put in jail, this has occured in groups of social hobbies and has occured in love marriages. And it is totally understandable if a woman doesn't want to be approached but from my perspective it warrants a case where even social safe spaces and marriages are free from being falsely accused. Yes maybe I'm overthrowing but statistically the number of such cases are rising where even the simping judiciary is pointing out the burden its creating on the system. We've had cases of married women murdering their husbands in collusion with their lover. But that isn't my point of contention either.
The point is that I statistically(data based) fall in a category that women will not choose, what does such a nigga do given the risks. You could spend a lot of tike and energy only to realise that you were just one of the many numbers she keeps to entertain herself.
While I was working, I received no help from my male seniors, while my female colleagues all the help from them. At no point am I seething about the nature of things, I'm coming to a conclusion with the nature of reality and am trying to make a mental note, that this is how life operates and this is what my next chess move will be in the game of life.(my female seniors however were a mixed bag some were helpful while others were not so you see that's where I understand some fit the criteria but others are what I'm working towards, but they were atleast 15 years my senior and married so I wouldn't dare)
That's the point I'm going with.

>>34531823
>There's no denial of the hypergamy for I've seen it occur first hand on numerous occasions
My only claim was that a significant portion of women do not engage in it. Plenty of people are highly hypergamous and like it that way. Your preferences exclude them. Nobody is the victim here.
>based on the culture where a cold approaching gentlemen may be arrested and put in jail
If you think this is a thing which happens regularly, you're probably going to be disinclined to accept any claims to the contrary. I don't really know what to say to this, except that out of the dozens of men I know, this has never happened to any of them. Just bruised egos and giggling friends. Anathema to the insecure, comedy to the well-adjusted.
>The point is that I statistically(data based) fall in a category that women will not choose
Self-defeating prophecy. Either you wallow in that belief for the rest of your life, or you don't. The only person whose life is affected by which you choose is yourself.
> I'm coming to a conclusion with the nature of reality and am trying to make a mental note, that this is how life operates and this is what my next chess move will be in the game of life
So it's option B, today, sir. Right away.

>>34531770
I'm happy to hear that anon. I know the effect mutual love has. I knew it intuitively, and came upon a research article on the same from a reputed US university. Same conclusion as you, the male felt more ambitious, more confident, had a better sleep cycle, was happier, did more things than he would've normally done. So for you my dear anon, I wish you all the strength and love in life.

But where I come from, its "izzat" sizing up 24/7. I didn't it believe when my mom told me growing up, so as to motivate me to study and get good grades(that model worked in her time, where you could be autistic as fuck but good grades could get you a job, a life, a wife. So she didnt care since i was autisitc but now everything requires you to be good with people and relationships so I've a hard time adjusting and she cant seem to get autism is real, i dont blame her) but when you experience it on your own your understanding changes.
Plus not many women my age in my area, if they're working, in college and return home in the evening and stay home or with friends.

I judge men the same way I do women.
The hyper intra sexual competition between men is claustrophobic. Constant deriding you, mocking you, abusing you, making fun of your intellect and not helping when help is needed. This also plays in when they perceive a girl likes you and start hammering you with insults. So the way I analytically judge men is the way I analytically judge women with impartiality. Yes my data driven approach will get eyebrows raised, or maybe some assumptions regarding how internet discourses normally go, but that will not deter my lived experiences.

>>34531802
Again, i think it's my English. My definition of rational does not equate smart or intelligent. By rational I simply run a few scenarios, I should've rather said mannered/quiet while irrational is from my perception. That is, they would do things I won't so it's irrational to me while perfectly rational to them. I hear them and think why didn't I say that or think of it myself and in my limited knowledge think it as irrational as it would've never occured to me.
I've mentally countered my family's belligerence of me being a retard with me being smart af, but I know I'm not. Whenever I do open my mouth, I'll say some autisitc shit that people give me the side eye and the room becomes awkward.
For example, my uncles me and my cousin were going out for a car ride, and in the middle he said where are they going all dressed up and because I was lively with him I said from a place of joke and familiarity that oh we're kidnapping him. The funking silence ate me, my uncles were chatting and they just stopped talking. For the complete ride.

I've learnt that staying quiet and giving generic talking points works better than being "myself" cause of my autism. So I've literally created scripts for every "mood" of groups.

>>34531911
Maybe. 'Logical' has positive connotations which do not really apply here.
'Autistic' is a much better descriptor for what you're describing.
You're probably never going to click with a normie girl, but there are just as many awkward autistic women as men, it's just expert mode trying to find them.
Do you have a friend group your own age?

>>34531855
>Nobody is the victim here.
Exactly nobody is the victim. But it is a thing to consider while entering this world. Better be aware than sorry.
>If you think this is a thing which happens regularly, you're probably going to be disinclined to accept any claims to the contrary.
Good for your friends man, I wish them the best and they seem to be socially adept at these thing(Again I know nothing of your friends but from what you've said is the conclusion I can make)
On the contrary claims, I think of it this way, contrary claims do not minus the original claims. I don't think that way, I've come to these conclusions based on my experiences, the experiences of my friend and then of the official statistic available in my country. Hey, if the contrary is a positive thing that's happening that's great and I'm happy for those guys, yet the original claim is also happening and not something that should be discounted for, doing that would be unfair
There's another way one of my female friends put it. She said yes those cold approach stories are sad, but that female is just one bad cold approach away from death or trauma. And that's what I'm trying to say, I'm being understanding of both outcomes
>Self-defeating prophecy. Either you wallow in that belief for the rest of your life, or you don't. The only person whose life is affected by which you choose is yourself.
Can understand the first half, but Can't agree on the latter half. A lot of things are out of our control, beyond relationships. I was looking at a few videos of the victims at Palestine, and a young girl was smiling through the disability she did not deserve. But "that" was not a choice she made, the war on her home was not her choice. It may not seem connected but the point I'm saying is there are choices one doesn't make but is made for them. Not that I'm wallowing, I'm completely fine being by myself, but were I to approach a fair maiden, I wouldn't discount the statistic

>>34531722
This post is the epitome of this board

>>34531964
Nope. I used to but they've all moved on with their life and are doing well(I'm happy for them)
It's like this. School forces(in a good way) to both genders being together so you(because of the system) make friends if you're slightly in the upper range of autism and can grasp the few social norms(but you'll invite bulkies and will have no way of handling them, worse even if all your father tells you to is tell the bully that he should stop for I don't like being bullied, I've had some guys stop but that was only because I allowed them to size me up on the first place. Thats the thing, I grew up with a very western norm, where as my parents and my country and its people are not. Wish I learnt that sizing up 24/7 will drain all your energy)
This worked till college and work. But once you're out of the system, the ease of making and maintaining such friendships and relationships fade away too.
You're right about the normie and autistic bit. With time I think I'm able to control my "frane" and talk to normies to some extent. I'm watching a lot of Craig Fergsuon and that's helped to build a framework to have conversations a bit. I don't fly off the handle of I get nervous. Here and then I will, but its way better than before

>>34531971
Yes. But that seems to be the way young men like myself seem to be heading towards.
I see this no different than the era of when feminism was not official but being demanded.
And yes in the normie world, autists such as myself are given the side eye, but why do you want this thing to grow. Why not have an intervention, like a support thing. I see a very superficial recognition, like a quirky thing to admire from afar but run away from like the plague if it happens in vicinity.
I recall a video from 2010, a game show, a boomer was laughing at the boy for listening to feelings of rejection. The guy called the boy a loser. And the crowd chimed and they all clapped and laughed. But see now, Billie eilish, Joji. Epitome of sad and loneliness music, great stuff that's taken off and become the cultural norm. Art is in a way a key to the soul, you know more before they can say the words. But instead kf recognising and doing something about it, one is chastised for it.
But it's still better in the west where there's better recognition and support for autists for all levels of autism.
I can't say the same for my country, though the rising incidents of the lower levels of autism is creating a need for education to be catered to such children(my cousin os one of them) and I'm happy for him

Jeet word salad ITT

>>34531722
And since I'm an autistic retard and have only recently learnt to talk back to normies and bullies who take completely normal impartial statements, run their assumptions and manipulation tactics.
Based on the replies I can ascertain they are yours:
You've taken my words, taken the complete meaning out of them, negated actual experiences and lived experiences for the sake of those who do not share the same experience(equivalent of telling someone in misery, pointing to a happy person and saying "He's happy in this economy, why are you miserable, stop wallowing, its your fault you know"), twisted them and pushed me into a frame where regardless of how I respond I will come off as a chud and you sir will come off as the victim who had the burden of educating the fool.
So very kindly, Fuck off, Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

>>34532103
And by the will of Indra, may a billion more Indians be born.
And may those Billions migrate to your country, fill your shores, your lands, your farms, your homes.
And may you forever whine and hurl empty threats on 4chan, while your people enthusiastically post on r/cuckold.
And may your father post pics on the very same sub reddit of your mother, consentually, with a Jeet over a thanksgiving dinner for Jeet means victory

>>34532159
>>34531722 actually predicted your actions to tee. He gave decent advice, you proceeded to reject it, and now you are talking like a loser.

Are women on dating apps choosing the top men? NO SHIT. That’s why he told you to do a shared activity. Women don’t trust most men (you said yourself) and don’t like men from the get-go. They are incredibly picky for a variety of evolutionary reasons. But as women get to know you, they will begin to trust you. And some may even like you.

But first you have to find a shared activity (e.g., dancing, running, walk club). Show up EVERY TIME for months. Talk to women. Make friends. Invite someone you’re close to over for tea or coffee.

Obviously, you have to get in shape (this means going to the gym, sleeping on time, and eating healthy) and have good hygiene.

It may work. It may not work. But this certainly has a better chance of working than talking on 4chan about you understanding the game and you’re doomed. You don’t understand the game as well as you think.

In the end, even if it doesn’t work at least you got healthier and did some cool activities.

how do people even read all that fml