>>34536656
>it
your penis? don't do that sis, you'll get hatecrimed if he discovers you tricked him

>>34536663
i wouldn't fuck anyone who didn't know i was trans beforehand
but no, i mean in society
i just take estrogen to not have to experience male physical characteristics and i wear female clothes at home bcs it's comfy but otherwise in society, i'm male
most people think i'm gay or like, 16 years old though

>>34536656
Yes
Consider stopping boymoding and presenting your true self though

>>34536685
so i can get called a hideous pervert to my face and lose any possible job prospects? nty

>>34536656
no because your definition of "hiding it" is just living your offline life as a man. you're 100% still going to be an insufferable troon who presents as a woman online

Be a freak, but not by me.

>>34536656
No

>>34536656
No, stop being a gooner.

>>34536656
it would be okay if you were my girlfriend

>>34536656
It's indicative of mental illness, but as with everything there are degrees. Just don't ever get parts of your body cut off surgically.

>>34536656
No, it's never okay. Happiness can never be associated with a lifestyle built on a delusion.

>>34538299
what are you like, anon? how old are you?

>>34538341
I'm a big hairy monster and I'm 30. but I'm stable and functional and not crazy. I mainly browse /k/

>>34538356
unfortunate
not dating 30 year old men again
where you from anyways?

>>34536656
>is it okay to be immoral as long as i lie about it
You already know the answer is 'no', otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to ask in the first place.

>>34538357
Missouri

>>34536656
it's ok if you hide it, it's ok if you don't hide it. you want someone to talk you into not hiding it (you will get angry and say this isn't true, we both know it is, spare us) but none of us will be able to do that. you just have to start not hiding it, come what may

>>34536656
No that’s probably worse because it’s deceptive.
If someone hooks up with you and finds your dick you might actually get murdered

>>34538412
It's bad in the opposite direction, too. Imagine a gay guy hitting it off with him, thinking he's going to have a nice feminine twink body, only to realize that actually he has an estrogenized flabby potato body with moobs. Having to realize that somebody you were possibly into chose to ruin his body for a stupid fad is even more traumatizing than realizing the person you were into has a dick.

>>34538434
oh well
such is life
maybe i'll just volcel

>>34538491
you could just work on yourself and stop being a tranny, you know. estrogen isn't actually a cosmetic and doesn't keep you young, and you clearly don't give much of a shit about the identity aspect. what you're doing is all downside with no upside, likely because you got groomed into thinking that taking hormones has cosmetic benefits when in reality it does not.

>>34538540
i do care about the identity aspect but confronting myself is too scary
i'm not gonna stop being a tranny and atp i don't really care what happens to me, i'll probably go into neetdom anyways

i just wish i could live my life as a woman but i should've been born one, not be a monster like this
i want a man to hug me tight when i go to sleep at night and i feel really lonely right now
i'm just wondering if there is such a guy who is ok with whatever i am now who's also okay with hiding it
i don't have any self-respect so if he wants to fuck other women on the side, that's probably fine too

i just want to be loved once in my life
then i think i can die happy

>>34538595
I was in the same position once, and can say from experience that happiness is only possible once you've learned how to have compassion for yourself and enjoy your own company. And once you do that, you won't feel a desperate need for other people's approval. If you were to get the "love" you're looking for now, it wouldn't satisfy you no matter how perfect your partner is.

It's also worth noting that anyone who actually loves you will by definition not be okay with the tranny stuff. Trannyism is self destruction, so anyone who encourages you down that path would only do so if they hate you or don't care about you. Anyone who genuinely cares and wants to see you happy will also want to see you overcome your mental issues.

>>34536656
why need to be tranny? just be feminine man or masculine woman.

>>34538620
i want to be accepted for being a tranny though
even just within 4 walls, in hiding
i want to be held close by a man and like be referred to by my girl name and be normal

but i know you say it is a delusion but like i want to just be held tight and loved and be the feminine woman in a relationship, i don't know

and i know you should love and accept yourself before wanting someone else but it's so hard

>>34538752
>i want to be accepted for being a tranny though
The trouble is that that's a self contradicting statement. Someone who accepts you "as a tranny" doesn't accept you for who you truly are, because the tranny stuff is a veil or a mask. And anyone who truly and genuinely accepts you for you, will not accept you "as a tranny", because they'll love your true self and not the mask you're choosing to hide behind. That's why it's literally and philosophically impossible to find love while living as a tranny.

>i want to just be held tight and loved and be the feminine woman in a relationship, i don't know
All that really means is "I want to be coddled", which is something that everyone wants, at least until they've learned how to stand on their own two feet. The only real reason why you want to be a woman is that you think women have an easier time finding someone to coddle them. It's hard at first, but if you make progress towards loving and accepting yourself you'll find that your desire to be a woman will vanish. I was the same way for almost a decade, but as soon as I found that inner light and started working on it all of those obsessions and desires started clearing up one by one.

>>34538796
no, i don't think women have it easier to find someone to coddle them
i do want to be coddled a little bit but also learn to be by myself

>>34538833
But those are diametrically opposed, so you have to choose one and pursue it. The more independent you are, the less you'll want to be coddled and nurtured. And the more you seek out someone to coddle and nurture you, the less independent you'll be. And since emotional independence is the only thing that will make you a whole, satisfied and happy person, that's the one you ought to pursue. Looking for happiness in a relationship or an identity just leads to a whirlpool of negativity. It's a bottomless pit that can't be filled, because it'll always be looking for outside assurance and it'll never be satisfied with it. Even someone who starts a relationship in that state just ends up doubting their partner's sincerity and fidelity.

>>34538892
but why can't i just be in love? how do i be a whole by myself and be in a relationship? this isn't even about identity anymore, it's more of an emotional maturity thing

>>34538947
It's about both, because an emotionally mature person sets aside identity altogether. And a person who clings to identity is incapable of becoming emotionally mature, because an identity is really just a mask. A true, matured self doesn't need labels and doesn't ask for other people to see it as this or that or to treat it a certain way. It simply is, without embellishment.

>but why can't i just be in love?
For two reasons. One, is that you're looking at love in terms of what you want to receive. But that isn't love, because love by definition is never selfish. Real love only looks to what it can give, and it contents itself solely in that. The second reason is that you aren't capable of receiving another person's love while you continue to live through a proxy. This identity of yours is not your real self, yet you're asking someone to love it as if it were you. But if they do that, then by definition they aren't loving you, they're loving the proxy identity you've set out for them. Someone can only love you after you've chosen to be yourself, minus all proxies, masks and identities.

>how do i be a whole by myself and be in a relationship?
By focusing on your own personal growth first, becoming happy, healthy and whole, and then looking for someone else who has done the same. In this way, each one of you will care for the other for the other's sake, and not for the sake of what the other brings to you for your sake. Love has to be selfless, which is why you have to be independent first before you can find love. An emotionally dependent love is actually just selfishness and immaturity pretending to be love.

>>34538992
>This identity of yours is not your real self, yet you're asking someone to love it as if it were you. But if they do that, then by definition they aren't loving you, they're loving the proxy identity you've set out for them.
but i'm also not a man either, simple as
so wtf am i

>>34539163
you're a faggot failed male

>>34539163
Why wouldn't you be a man? If you believe that men can't be shy, can't be sensitive, can't have long hair, can't be beautiful and can't be submissive then those are fallacious beliefs that stem from you, not from reality. But more to the point, even your manhood shouldn't be what defines you, and a woman's womanhood shouldn't be what defines her. You're simply a consciousness, and your body, whether male or female, is incidental rather than essential. No one who's healthy defines and limits themselves by their sex any more than they ought to define themselves by their race, their hair color or their height. You are a consciousness first and foremost, which means your thoughts are what define you, and your thoughts are what need to be purified and perfected. This is also the path that leads to love, because impure thoughts and love are totally contrary to each other, and can never mix.

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>>34538595
>>34538752
Anon, there are sweet people out there who are willing to love you and accept you for who you are (some will even paypig for you).
Check out /soc/ and /frengen/ on /lgbt/. Post an ad (or multiple ads) on /soc/ and read some of the ads people have posted. I met my ex on /soc/ and he was wonderful
Also consider downloading a dating app

>>34539184
>You're simply a consciousness, and your body, whether male or female, is incidental rather than essential
Ironic to say this yet insist that anon is a man