>>34540547
Ask a girl to date you

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>>34540552
Is getting a girlfriend completely luck-based?

>>34540556
Not at all

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>>34540559
Surely it is. What makes this chick pick this guy over anyone else? If it's because he has good genetics, then it's entirely a fluke.

>>34540556
its not "luck based". But to get a gf who you actually WANT is definitely more of a challenge. You right now could probably get a girlfriend if you go for anything. But to get a gf you're geniunely attracted to is much harder to do.

>>34540547
do you have anxiety? I thought having a gf would be great but when I finally got my first gf it really made me an anxious wreck. The relationship didn't last long because of it

>>34540547
Every guy you posted has a clean cut, dresses well, and above all - a healthy physique. Not "almost there", not "dad bod" not someone who's healthy but stopped right before they got the ideal bod, but someone who made it 100% there. Just made it there.
Make it there first. Once you're there download dating apps and try.
Also, I've seen you post before, you're an absolute doomer with a piece of shit personality, I doubt you'd get a girl even if you were as rich and pretty as Eliott Rodgers.

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>>34540581
They're all pretty avg-looking dudes desu.

>>34540562
There is a million answers to your question. Women like confidence. Danny Devito is like 4'11" inches tall my guy, even in his prime he was a goblin, I am sure that man has had more tail than many. You're mentally unwell if you think 1 thing will magically do it for you and it isn't confidence. It is.

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Not this fucking guy again

>>34540609
Women get the ick if a man has undue confidence.

>>34540630
100% a fucking lie coming from a woman. You are describing cockiness not confidence, cockiness can be attractive but if it's undue it's gross

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>>34540724
>just be confident bro

>>34540742
Fuck off faggot. Have you seen Danny Devito? If this day faggot fixed his goddamn skin/hair and GAINED CONFIDENCE he could fuck. And let's just be honest he could fuck ugly femcel chicks no questions asked if he was confident.

>>34540547
1. Never flirt, connect, or ask anyone out.
2. Take and post dozens of creepshots.
3. Complain that you've tried nothing and nothing works.
4. Repeat steps 1-3 for YEARS.
5. Uh...profit??

>>34540605
Maybe so...but how do YOU look?
Also, those avg-looking dudes obviously talked to these girls before they became their gfs. Have you done that?

>>34540761
>>34540765
Which girls am I asking out, anons?

>>34540581
>>34540765
Not him but these are people are definitely not models/jacked. That being said, you are completely right on the clean cut/nice clothes. Good clothing and a nice haircut will help quite a bit. Also none of them are fat, which puts you above a lot of people nowadays. And yeah I'm pretty sure he posted this shit before, not sure why /adv/ has so many doomers/incels.

>>34541059
I am 6'2, clean cut, in good shape and dress-well. Where's my gf then? It's all just fucking luck-based and the universe decides who gets shafted.

>>34541022
Are you gonna answer any of those questions bro

>>34540756
Danny Devito has fame and money.. do you?

>>34541114
Are you? It's a simple enough question.

>>34541022
>>34541114
You've seriously never come across a live human girl in your life who might have interested you?
If the answer is no, we've found your problem. Try leaving your hovel sometime and interacting with the real world.

If you have to ask, you don't have a chance.

>>34541132
Not really, no.

>>34541136
So then what are you complaining about?

>>34541139
It's hard to find a girlfriend when the universe has fucked you over.

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Most dudes with gfs never tried. They just fell ass-backwards into relationships. None of them could tell you what they did. That's why dating advice is fucking worthless.

>>34540547
Be at least moderately physically attractive, groom, have a sense of style, be nice and socially aware, and talk to girls.

>>34541192
The best you can do is look your best and socialize.

>>34541145
You've fucked yourself over, you whiny bitch. If we blame le universe instead, the universe got this one right.
>>34541192
>None of them could tell you what they did
Yeah, because all they did was talk to these girls, hang out with them, hit it off and eventually ask them out or vice versa. Like normal people. It's not supposed to take that much thought.

>>34541252
>It's not supposed to take that much thought.
And yet there's entire industries built around working this out.

>>34541272
So why haven't you gone to these industries for help then? Instead of making this thread over and over for YEARS

>>34541276
Because they're bullshit.

>>34541272
Yeah because there are people like you who make zero effort to meet other people and think that there's some logical route you can take to achieve the "goal" of having a romantic relationship.

Getting a relationship really takes no thought. Pass the physical attraction bar and talk to women. That's all you have to do. Humans have evolved and reproduced for generations by communicating with each other without much thought.

>>34541291
Well of course they're bullshit. Almost like those of us who "couldn't tell you what we did" are the ones who were right all along huh?

>>34541303
>>34541315
The problem is midwits like you think it's a rpg where you just talk to women hope ur charisma stat is high enough. Most dudes can't even remember how they got their gf. What they said, what they did etc. It just happens.

>>34541322
>OP now argues both for and against the same points at the same time
what no pussy does to a nigga

>>34541322
>you think it's a rpg where you just talk to women hope ur charisma stat is high enough
I think it's an RPG yet you're the one using RPG terminology. I said it was the OPPOSITE of a game. Stop looking at this logically. Fucking retard.
>It just happens
That's my point, dumbass. Need I say it again? Pass the physical attraction bar and socialize. After that, "it just happens". No one has even gotten into a relationship by looking like shit and sitting at home not meeting people.

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>>34541337
>Pass the physical attraction bar
Umm

>>34541347
Your whole thread premise was based around complaining about these average looking guys who have gfs while you don't. Now, AGAIN, you seem to be arguing against your own point. You can't have it both ways here OP.

>>34541359
Not at all. If women find the overwhelming majority of men physically undesirable, then it really is just fucking freak luck who gets a gf and who doesn't.

>>34541369
Or maybe one or both of your assumptions are just wrong. Shocking, I know.

>>34541347
>what I mean
look your best and socialize, at some point you will find a girl that finds you attractive and likes you.

>where your dumb autists defeatist loser mind goes to:
I'll take some chart from some gay dating app and imply negative conclusions to demonstrate that statistically it's impossible to get a gf because all men are ugly to women.

>result
You stay a loser making this dumb thread forever.

>>34541380
If it's that simple, where's my girlfriend? I fell for the improover pill and it didn't change jack. Still invisible, still single.

>>34541383
Did I say self-improve or socialize? I said socialize.

OP has no interest in improving and want's to shit up /adv/ with demoralization garbage. DO NOT INTERACT. SAGE IN ALL FIELDS

>>34541383
Kill yourself.

>>34541383
>I improved but also somehow didn't change!
Then you didn't improve. In any case, that's also not what we told you to do. Unless you think just interacting with women like a normal man falls under "improovment" for you.

>>34541391
>just socialize and you'll get a gf
Tell that to all the singles regularly meeting women and striking out

>>34541397
>he identifies with the losers
How about all the ones who haven't? Many of whom you have posted creepshots of in your very threads.

>>34541380
You're either attractive to all women or none of them.

>>34541407
Yeah and those guys lucked out. There are fucking boring-ass dudes with gfs or wives. Absolute charisma vacuums. How did they get a woman? Nobody knows.

>>34541414
>I've never had a woman or even interacted with one
>SO TRUST ME GUISE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

>>34541421
>Absolute charisma vacuums.
And you know this how?
Meanwhile we do know 100% that *you* are a boring charisma vacuum from your posts (with a bad attitude on top of it) so again I ask, what are you even complaining about?

>>34541421
In thinking about all the guys I know I realized those guys with no other variables going for them who get lucky and get one gf early in their teens start fucking and then never stop.
In short you get a gf by having a gf.
Late bloomerbros you might want to reroll.

>>34541426
Because I've interacted with them. Boring fucks with no personality. Maybe women like that because they imprint themselves onto them. Fuck knows.

>>34541434
>Because I've interacted with them. Boring fucks with no personality.
That's funny OP, that was also my takeaway of you from this thread.

>>34541443
Nah I'm pretty based ngl

>>34541452
based. sent that foid freak flying

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>>34540547
It’s hard to say if I don’t know where you’re starting from. But in general
>be fit
>dress well (unironically r/malefashionadvice)
>smell good (find some inoffensive male scents at Sephora)
>get some hobbies that have nothing to do with your work or videogames or MtG etc
>when you meet a girl practice normal social best practices like asking questions and only talking about yourself when it’s genuinely related to what they’re saying, but keep the conversation about them or something they’re interested in if possible
>try and try and try again. It’s okay if somebody doesn’t like you. There are billions of women out there

>>34541538
Can you please give us some examples of "good" hobbies?

>>34540547
>(a) you are handsome (tall, symmetric face, nice chin, full head of hair)
>(b) you cope-maxx with money (no love, but she is going to fuck you from time to time)

>>34541738
Not him but something tangible/physical. Woodworking, drawing, playing a sport, etc. It does not have to be expensive, just something you can talk about. The more social you can make it the better.

>>34541738
being an unhinged serial killer abusechad works wonders with women

>>34541738
NTA but in the context of this thread, "good" hobbies would be anything that the average woman considers interesting or cool and/or will actually bring you into contact with people.

>>34541538
i'm not the faggy whiny op, but i will hijack his thread to ask - how to get over the intense anxiety of asking a girl out?

i did the gymmaxing, i am pretty muscular and yoked. i invested in fashion and have a good style going, also got a few buddies who are scent freaks mentor me through getting a few perfumes and colognes that smell nice. i got the social hobbies, so that i interact with 100+ people 3-4 times a week.

i talk to girls, mesh well with them, have enough common interests to smoothly keep thenconversation going for as long as needed when i interact with them, get them laughing and all that.
but the sticking point is asking them out. i have never asked out a woman in my life and i'm already 23. an insanely intense feeling of dread and powerlessness washes over me whenever i think about asking out a girl that i find attractive. to the point where in those moments i would rather get flayed alive and beheaded than ask the girl out. the signals dont matter. It's like my brain shuts down and goes into absolute panic mode, under NO circumstance should i invite the girl out.

How do i get over this? ive let dozens of girls slip by me because of this

>>34541755
>can you believe women??
>I don't abuse or kill them and THEY DON'T EVEN REWARD ME WITH SEX GOD I HATE THEM SO MUCH

>>34541759
It's probably scary for you, don't get me wrong. But imagine going another time of not getting a connection and missing out. Or sitting on your deathbed experiencing ZERO relationships or love, letting all of that slip by. That's a lot scarier. It's your choice on what happens. Good luck.

>>34541761
being an abusechad only works if you're already handsome
that's one of the good sides of being an incel. You can truly be yourself bc people are gonna treat you the same way regardless of how you act

>>34541759
>an insanely intense feeling of dread and powerlessness washes over me whenever i think about asking out a girl that i find attractive.
Well, why? What happened to you to cause you to feel that way?
But basically, you have to keep it casual (IE, "yeah say let's grab a coffee sometime") and be more outcome independent. Do more while caring less, in other words.
I will say this. I know how you feel because I used to be very shy and afraid to ask anyone out (or even reciprocate whatever attention I got). It's very common, we've all probably been there at some point. And believe me when I tell you, the pain and regret of kicking yourself over a missed opportunity and knowing you're a coward is always much worse than the pain of a simple no.

>>34541766
i already tried all this logical rhetorical rigamarole on myself, read the self help books. but as i said in the key moment of action i would rather die by firing squad than ask the girl out. nothing compares to that feeling of dread. you cannot stay rational and level headed in such a situation. if a situation gets too intense i make any excuse to gtfo. once a very hot girl i was interested in asked me if i wanted to go for drinks with her after a concert. the dread hit me and i, no kidding, said "no i have to go do my homework for uni" and left the building. she never talked to me again after that.

>>34541781
i dont know why, i have tried everything except therapy to figure out what is wrong. ive never had a negative experience with girls my age. no childhood trauma. there is no reason for me to have this sort of reaction. but this shit is crippling to the point of me starting to avoid women i am interested in in fear of me freaking out again and making them hate me like ive done in the past.

Have the aura of a guy who gets it maturely.

>>34541758
Such as?

>>34541752
What are examples of hobbies that are social?

>>34541835
Playing a sport, taking a class of some sort, dancing, etc.
>>34541796
Be drunk already or something. There is no other way. You will die alone if you do nothing.

>>34541796
>i already tried all this logical rhetorical rigamarole on myself, read the self help books. but as i said in the key moment of action i would rather die by firing squad than ask the girl out. nothing compares to that feeling of dread. you cannot stay rational and level headed in such a situation. if a situation gets too intense i make any excuse to gtfo. once a very hot girl i was interested in asked me if i wanted to go for drinks with her after a concert. the dread hit me and i, no kidding, said "no i have to go do my homework for uni" and left the building. she never talked to me again after that
then you have an actual serious issue above 4chan poster paygrade that you need some combination of program, counseling, and medication for. that's not normal

>>34541796
>>34541866 is right you need a professional. But let's chat for a minute, what do you think is scaring you? There is a reason you are freezing up and get tongue tied. Any guesses?

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>>34541738
yes these have been studied empirically

>>34541877
Fuck I need to get a sturdier piano stand to get back to practicing

>>34541877
>Reading but using your cock instead of your index finger
>Foreign languages but especially sign language with your penis
>Playing with your cock
>Cocking
>Woodworking (I need not say more here)
>painting using your cock as a brush
>writing using your cock as a pencil
>gardening using your cock as a watering can
>swimming (naked)
>photography of your cock
>astronomy
>hiking (especially in dark parks where lots of joggers are)
>archery in Robin Hood cosplay without pants
>blacksmithing using your cock has a hammer and her ass as the anvil
>travelling while being naked

>>34541849
i dont drink alcohol, never gotten drunk in my life

>>34541874
well i get these bouts of self doubt in key moments. when i was in high school i was very skinny and basically the stereotypical teachers pet bespectacled straight A student, played the violon, had acne etc all that stuff. i had a girl basically throwing herself at me, meanwhile i was thinking it must be some elaborate form of bullying because i genuinely thought there was no way someone would like me. Plus everyone in the class teased me about it so i was certain it was bullying.

But i tackled the reasons for feeling inferior head on, i started going to the gym, started visiting a dermatologist etc etc. I gradually fixed everything i didnt like about myself yet the feeling never left. i turn into the same fumbly terrified 14 year old kid whenever i am presented with the notion of flirting with a woman or asking her out.

i noticed i also get extremely uncomfortable when the topic of relationships gets brought up in conversation. i just stay quiet and it feels really uncomfortable, if anyone asks me anything i just say "dont ask me i dont know anything about relationships".

one time a friend of mine wanted me to go on a blind date that would also be a double date with my friend and his girlfriend, the girl i was supposed to go on a date with was his girlfriend's friend.
now since ive never been on a normal date, the notion of me going on a blind date distressed me to the point where i got a panic attack basically and was repeating how there is no way i am going.

are there psychologists specializing in stuff like this or do i go to a regular shrink?

>>34541942
>are there psychologists specializing in stuff like this or do i go to a regular shrink?
if you would really rather be shot than ask a girl out you need cbt/dbt for social anxiety

>>34541942
I don't know because I have never been to therapy and the like. If you are not into alcohol that's fine just drink non alcoholic beverages, gen Z is shying away from drinking overall iirc.

So you still feel like the skinny 14 year old inside? Yeah I get it. The point is is that other people DON'T see you as that. You have changed on the outside, now it's time to change on the inside.

>>34541951
Maybe try what this guy says.

>>34540547
>How do you get a girlfriend?
Be tall, dark and handsome.
Also rich and influential.

>>34542138
Doesn't work out like that. Girls call those guys faggots. You need to be a tough guy from the streets who lived a tough life and can get out of any situation if he uses his mind right. There's a reason why women like guys who are in the military and that is one of them. Imagine how she would feel with you as a father as opposed to some passive weakling who would let their son turn into a mess.

>>34542223
Women really don’t care about any of that. I’m sure you’re a hit on grindr though.

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>>34540547
Get lucky but also just fucking try to make yourself presentable too. I got lucky when I met my current gf but the first thing she did that made me notice her was compliment my smell(I always shower, wear deodorant, lotion, and cologne). You would be fucking shocked how much such a simple thing alludes so many dudes. You are immediately putting yourself a tier above with women just by giving a shit about self care and hygiene, trust me.

>>34542330
Because you assume trying to believe in being yourself is a symptom of being soft and gentle, which you associate with being feminine. You look at yourself as more dominant compared to me because you look at yourself as more of a prankster a rebellious type of person, which you look at as "hey I don't suck authority's dick unlike anon and society." To which has absolute no proof on sexuality. Your primitive mind bases the idea of talking and giving facts as yet again a symptom of feminality. You pressume I'm docile because I try to be helpful. Well here is the thing anon, if you think trying to be helpful is gay, then get the fuck out of /adv/ and stop asking for advice or doing it and fucking do something with your life. Shut the fuck up and stop throwing your idea of gay on others, you even bigger faggot. HUR HUR HUR I'M laughing because I spotted a retard. Yeah right, I see a femboy in a maid outfit snickering while on a japanese white desktop in a pink background with how you talk.

>>34542408
I’m not reading all that, but maybe your boyfriend will.

>>34542437
Maybe learn to be respectful to people instead of calling them gay. You're lucky no one has beaten the shit out of you.

>>34542441
Everybody here thinks you’re retarded, and you’ve never touched a woman before.

>>34542463
Yeah well I think you're childish.

Fucking hide in the bathroom entire class middle schoolers.

>>34542467
You seem autistic. People can smell it from a mile away, especially when you insist women want to date MacGyver when in reality that’s something you made up in your head in total isolation. I actually fuck women. They don’t care if you’re tough or if you “came from the streets” or whatever shit you learned on whatever podcasts are poisoning your small brain.

>>34542487
Well I actually try to work a job and go to college.

>>34540547
>>34540556
>>34540562
Step 1. Stop being autistic
Step 2. Stop saving creepy ass pictures
Step 3. Actually talk to w*men

>>34542223
>>34542408
>>34542441
>>34542467
>>34542481
It's extremely obvious you've never interacted with the opposite sex outside of immediate family. Don't give advice for things you know NOTHING about, retard. Stay in your containment thread, schizo faggot.

>>34540547
IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON AND THEN IT IS SO EASY

>>34542885
So.... Where's your qualification?

And you're pissed off at me, because, admittedly it was a bit vulgar, but the intention was women like men who try to have common sense or street smarts? Are you drunk and on the internet anon?

sexuality is irrelevant from the statement, mental condition is irrelevant, and idiocy is irrelevant too. To me this seems like an incel outcry because I question your incel belief that women are only attracted to 10's and everyone below is not attractive to them, which is bullshit, because I have seen short men become attractive, tall, smart, not smart, fat, skinny, and so many others. No anon, you're the basement dweller.

>>34540547
If you're somewhat extroverted just hang out with friends that hang out with women.

OP is a mentally ill closeted homo who does not want a girlfriend.

>>34540605
"Average looking" is actually above average when you consider that MOST people are overweight or obese.

why are gays psyopping poor incels stop get some help

>>34540547
You be a giant faggot and you sniff some disgusting bitches asshole and eat her shit off of your fingers

>>34540605
The shortest guy is still half a head taller than his girl.

Every girl i like either has a boyfriend, husband, or straight up doesn't like me.

There are 2 girls that like me but I do not like them.
Why is life like this? Should I just settle for one of them?

>>34541192
100% true
the truth is, it's probabilities
girlfriends appear like miracles
but they don't appear in your room
and they don't appear if you don't have contact with women

so the only two variables you can control are
the amount of socializing you have with women
and the amount of women you socialize with

increase those two variables and your probabilities go up

>>34546300
so basically:
x = hours spent socializing with women
y = # of different women you socialize with
z = the rate of miracles

girlfriend = x * y * z
as you can see, if any of those is at 0, the whole thing turns to 0

now z can be super abysmally low though depending on your looks, height, autism etc

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>>34546138
>>34540547
All the attractive women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to