>>34645432
M*ids wants us only for sex nowaday: 0 commitment. Indeed, its usually a miracle if they dont ghost us after the first night together (cum and dump). So we Just imitated them

>>34645469
Good luck growing old and dying alone with that attitude.

Are you in college?
This was my experience in college, but after graduating I only really encountered women looking for serious relationships.

>>34645502
>Are you in college?
No... Dude, I'm seeing 35, 40 year old, 45 year old women doing this shit.

>>34645432
Because they want to work on their careers and make their own money rather than to be a man’s bangmaid. Also some women just want to get laid and not be tied down. This is what I noticed anyway.

>>34645564
I hate modern feminism so goddamn much.

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>why are women
You get what you're looking for

>>34645564
Throughout history a constant 5% of women don't want marriage or kids.

>>34645628
>fake image with fake quotes from fake people
sure

TL;DR: Most of them aren't, dating apps have just made it extremely easy for predatory men to ruin women in a kind of negative reinforcement cycle. Dating apps are societal cancer.

The long of it: dating apps are the lowest barrier to entry way to start dating nowadays, so a lot of women start there when they're young and looking for a partner. At that point, she's too naive and inexperienced to spot a predator - she just sees a handsome looking guy saying all the right things, gets excited, and thinks "Wow, I knew I was good enough to bag a perfect guy!"

The predator uses her (and many other women) for sex for a while. After some time (especially if the girl clearly wants more), he dumps her, acting like it's a breakup and it's just not working out, when in reality that was his intent all along.

At this point, one of two things happens:
>She doesn't realize he's a predatory and thinks she did something wrong
Not realizing she never had a chance with this guy in the first place, the woman gets hung up on a relationship that never was for the rest of her days and always thinks about him as the one that got away. She refuses to settle for anyone less than him, even though she wasn't actually on the guy's level and never had a chance with him in the first place.
>She realizes he was a predator
Her faith in ALL men is shaken because she was naive and fell for a handsome, smooth-talking guy's tricks. Her standards still go up, because she figures all men are the same, and if she's going to get used like that again, it'll only be by a hot guy.

In either case, the vicious cycle begins. Her standards become impossibly high because she can't accept the guys using her aren't actually interested in her, and she begins to hate men because the only guys she ends up with aren't actually interested in her. The cycle only ends when she realizes what's going on (possibly never) or shelves her ego, dates with a more open mind, and finds a guy who actually cares about her.

>>34645691
So if you match with a woman claiming to only want a fuck buddy, and you skip, is that proving to her that you weren't interested in a serious relationship? I don't get it. This fucking retarded.

>>34645691
>societal problem most negatively affecting men
women most affected

>>34645640
>real quote with real image from real people
Sure

the fuck buddy will sometimes become the husband.
agreeing to a serious monogamous relationship with someone you're not sure you want to marry is a bad deal. it prevents you from dating around a finding your actual future husband. people who do this will really often feel trapped or end up in unhappy marriages. its also really common for men to be controlling right off the bat if they consider a girl "theirs".

basically "don't let your boyfriend stop you from meeting your husband"

>>34645516
They tried and failed enough times to secure a husband that they're no longer trying. But who wants to be celibate for 40 years. They have low expectations and trust issues.

>>34645432
Because they're finally doing what they want instead of what you want.

>>34645691
>Delusional incel rambling
Stop believing memes.

>>34645628
>less affectionate than a cat
oof

>>34645469
This is the rationale they use to justify this behavior

Moids do this just as much, if not more, lol. Projection from males, as per usual

>>34645691
trvke

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>>34645432
because super sexy sexbots aren't a thing yet so we still have to settle for a shag with chad. blessed be AI - the one and only chad of the future. men are literally one step away from getting ghosted by women for all time and aren't even aware of it yet.
>>34645564
>>34646115
these, too.

>>34645469
Moids also kill themselves. Are you going to imitate that?

>>34646800
I speak for all men here, please kill yourself.
Kill yourself painfully with gasoline and fire.
And may you burn in hell for all of eternity.

>>34645432
It honestly surprised me, even when they weren't looking for a fuck buddy, how they just assume sex was normal almost right away. Probably anecdotal, but
>Grow up in conservative, (loosely) catholic household.
> Always drilled to follow the plan of "School, job, wife for life, baby, no skipping".
>FF to B.S. degree and working in my field for several years
>Meet a girl on dating app who says she's looking for long-term
>Kinda click. She's not gorgeous, but neither am I and we both sort of get each others humor.
>Go on six dates over the course of two months (because working adults >40 miles away from each other) but I don't try to initiate because still testing waters on compatibility.
>NYE, she stays over at my place because we'd been drinking and it was late.
>I pull out and make up the sleeper sofa for her and wish her good night, testing the trust level of "will you kill/maim/steal from me while I'm sleeping?"
>Next morning after I make breakfast for us, she brings up that it's weird I haven't tried to have sex with her yet.
>Huh.png
>She then tells me about the first long-term that turned out to not be long-term, the rebound, and two others she'd all slept with within 2-3 dates.
>Nope.gif
>I break up with her the next day

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>>34646099
this. friend tried setting me up with a girl he was friends with who thought i was cute. we talked for a bit but her ex-fwb came back into the picture. i moved on, put more effort into myself and uni, spent time with friends, hooked up and had talking stages with a few more people, and learned more skills.

they're now dating, and i'm happy for them! reached out to her a couple of days ago and she got me a gig for me to dj at a large function at her uni. now both parties are happy :)

btw if a pajeet can have an active dating and sex life with girls who are not fat, you can too.

>>34646123
It literally makes no difference if there's proof or not.

>>34647304
you nigger

>>34645432
correct
fuck buddies and situationships benefit women the most
because, before they would trade resources, and security for sex
now, they have resources and security provided to them by a job

so they are happy to gamble with exceptiuonal qulity men at hopes one chooses them eventually

>>34647323
>exceptiuonal qulity men
speak english you nigger

>>34645432
It's not women as a whole. It's whores. And if you're having sex outside of marriage, what else do you expect, retard?

>>34645469
Same to you.

>>34647522
>women as a hole
hehe kek

>>34646823
>the moid's reaction whe he finds out women have no use for him anymore

They aren't. Go outside instead of spending all day in your mom's basement scrolling incel forums.

>>34645432
Because they already have money, they just need someone who can lay down dick

t. has an early 30s coworker who is also my neighbor who fucks a new random 8+/10 dude every Friday night

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>>34645432
Moids are a net loss. Every time spent on a moid is time not spent growing my business, my own goals or just enjoying my own life. I haven't found one yet who gave back anywhere close to what he took.

The kids thing isn't even a real counterargument anymore either. If I want children around, I can adopt, or just be present for my nieces. I can get the good parts of "having kids in my life" without gambling years on a man for the chance he turns into a decent partner or father.

Idk, maybe it's different for women who really need that financial split or who found one that actually pulls equal weight. But for those with their own income and their own goals, I don't get why you'd choose the option that loses you time, energy, and peace of mind.

>>34645432
you're looking in the wrong places
but also those girls usually started looking for bfs or husbands but ended up getting hurt in the process
it's always the same story with every one night stand or casual hookup I've had
I'm one to pillow talk a lot because I actually care about them (to a point)
it's always "I was madly in love with a dude but he would cheat on me with everyone including some close friends, and the next one was little better, so now I don't except men to be faithful so I never took any of you guys seriously.
never had a casual hook up who said "I only liked casual sex from the get go"

Where are these girls? I would love to find one.

>>34645432
>Why are women these days only looking for "fuck buddies" instead of boyfriends or husbands?

No clue what you're talking about so I will assume you are from the USA and you are having an American problem. Sorry your women are all hedonistic narcissistic borderline sluts. My condolences. This is the consequence of having a country whose founding fathers were Freemasons. Every inauguration your Presidents swear and oath in a Masonic Bible. Look that up, I am not joking.

The moon only has eyes for the Sun.
Women always reflect what Men are.
If your country is dog shit, your women will be dog shit. If you want women to become restored back to their purity, you need to cleanse your land. Rid of the vermin who poison your social waters and then you will have untainted women.

Good luck though. Male aggression is now seen as demonic in your shitty part of the world. The men castrated mentally, some of them becoming trannies. It's by design to make sure the men who are being ruled never grow the balls to do anything about it.

>>34647953
You are an example of what I wrote. American woman or western. Boss girl who only cares about work. "job is my baby".

When you grow old, when you are dying, your job will not visit you when you are in a home by yourself with nothing but silence. After you retire your job will not help you laugh or feel at peace. Your job won't attend your death bed. Your job and business won't lay flowers by your grave.

>>34648146
Nta
Statistically speaking my hypothetical husband would die before me or leave me if I got seriously ill so no one would be leaving flowers for me either way.

>>34648152
I speak of children your children with husband. You will understand it when your own parents die of age. It will hit you like a truck, you are truly alone. You think you know loneliness now. Wait until the real deal shows up. Pray that you have not ruined your life by then in your self sabotaging self isolation

>>34648146
Never said my job was my baby. Said I don't need a moid to have one. Nieces, adopted kids, chosen family, friends who actually pull weight. Funny how you assumed the only way I end up with people who love me is through a man. Seethe harder.

>>34648159
>children
Like I have the money for that. Plus I'm in my mid 30s. It's too late for kids. There's no point to finding a husband.

>>34648185
>There's no point to finding a husband.
It's called love you cold hearted alien bitch. The fuck no point...

>>34648175
>I don't need a moid to have one
You do. Your nieces aren't your babies, those are your brothers or sisters. Adopted kids? Not your baby. "Chosen family". You are not the center of the universe. You don't get to choose people like they are accessories.

Your "chosen family" will gain real families of their own, and you are forgotten. Good luck with this mindset you will be needing it. Since you seem to rely on social media feel good concepts to help you mask the dire reality.

>>34648229
So they can just change their mind and leave? Or be terrible? Every relationship I've had so far has gone to shit in less than 2 years I'm tired. The risk isn't worth the temporary reward and there's no way to know whether it's temporary or not until you've already invested all that effort. I'm not doing it again.

>>34645432
>Why are women these days only looking for "fuck buddies" instead of boyfriends or husbands?
because they were birthed by ran through whore mommies and cuckoldry loving spineless daddies, just as every other moid in the west was. Spineless men with no self-respect, dignity, power or the ability to enforce standards or to thot patrol end up with whoreish wives, whoreish mothers and whoreish daughters. Blame your dad and that of the whores' dads for being spineless losers

Besides that, there are no boss babes or boss bitches. There are only whores who made a fortune scamming & whoring around. Notice how innovation has gone down the gutter. Men literally sold their self-respect dignity, culture, tax dollars and got absolutely nothing in return. Men ought to blame themselves for being cowardly cuckolds for allowing women to dictate terms, for allowing women to steal their jobs through literal quotas, foid only tax breaks, foid only scholarships, foid only gibs, etc., etc..
Cuckoldry loving spineless men deserve a cuckolded, spineless society

>>34648239
Yeah every man you dated turned out to be shit because YOU are shit at picking good men. Going after the "bad boy" and then being surprised when he actually turns out to be bad. Don't fucking blame an entire gender for your inability to tell apart a good man from a bad one. There's 3 billion fucking men on the planet. It's not that fucking hard to pick a good one. Holy fucking shit you are retarded.

>>34645432
They aren't.
>60% of women said they hoped a recent hookup would lead to a romantic relationship compared to only 13% of men, demonstrating women's stronger preference for signals of investment.
>http://doi.org/10.1111/pere.12220
It's just that women are hypergamous and attempt to lock down Chad by giving him sex first.

>>34648310
If I'm bad at it the logical thing to do is stop picking, which is what I'm doing.
If I'm bad at it and not having fun the smart thing to do is stop doing it.

>>34648342
awww bless your heart

>>34645621
Men have always had sex outside a relationship so why can't women do the same. There is no expectation so no one is hurt.

>>34648531
>There is no expectation so no one is hurt.
Cowards.

>>34645432
Thank god only women do this.

>>34648584
And how many men run when they hear I'm pregnant from a woman they made promises to? That is cowardly.

A woman upfront saying I don't want anything other than sex from you is being honest

>>34648600
And your point is...?

>>34648624
>And how many men run when they hear I'm pregnant from a woman they made promises to? That is cowardly.
No, that's the woman's fault for not picking a good man. Don't paint an entire gender with the same paintbrush.

>A woman upfront saying I don't want anything other than sex from you is being honest
If you don't know how to pick a good man how bout you keep your fucking legs shut? It's not that fucking hard.

>>34648697
The incels always claimy the good man is the guy who has no physical fitness, wealth, or social status, but he'll love you forever. If you're committed because no one else wants to fuck you, that's different from being committed by choice.

>>34648697
>good man
ha they don't exist anymore

And open or closed is none of your concern. You do not own anyone.

>>34648326
>60% are alpha-widows who would expect me to do 900x more work to get them to spread their legs

>>34645432
Because most women are whores who are disillusioned by the attention they get on social media.

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>>34648724
>good man
>ha they don't exist anymore

>>34648724
>And open or closed is none of your concern. You do not own anyone.
That's right, keep being a whore. Keep fucking random men that don't give a shit about you. See how far that gets you in life. Retard.

the majority of women I see on dating apps want a relationsip or are open to casual (they want a boyfriend). Most guys only enter relationship because they cant have a roster.

>>34648780
>Most guys only enter relationship because they cant have a roster.
Or you know they... actually want a relationship. Shocking, I know.

>>34648779
Lets see. Financially independent. No burden on the state or family. Have friends, get along with coworkers, healthy and I'm educated. Great start don't you agree? So even IF I wanted a relationship not many men can equal this and I will not engage a man with "potential"

>>34648792
>I will not engage a man with "potential"
So women do indeed stand at the finish line waiting for a winner?

>>34648780
Most guys only want sex. Thats it. They do not want to put any effort in to get that or keep it. They are lazy yet believe they are entitled.

>>34648794
If you are a man and do not have your life together by your late 20's there is no one waiting for you.

>>34648719
or perhaps trait loyalty was indeed selected for actively in bloodlines of those who weren't physically well endowed and trait disloyalty was indeed selected in bloodlines of attractive people as only those who were sexy as hell and whoreish enough reproduced in mass numbers.
>attractive people are LOyAl because muh stooooodies
or whatever BS.
attractive people-people with a said bone strucuture, skin tone and physical appearance, also get away with a whole load of bs, lies and scams. So which one is it? Ugly people can't afford to be nasty, schemey, treacherous, etc., as they're constantly scrutinized even for minor reasons.
Humans and elements outside our control, had actively selected for genes associated with playing zero-sum status gaymes instead of non zero-sum good-for-all games.
>muh bone structure is good indicator of physical health
yes and no. Yes only to an extent and certainly not beyond a certain point. We've already reached the "beyond a certain point" stage to the point where literal genes associated with psychopathy, narcissism, status obsession, lookism-autism, etc., are all getting mass selected. If you think I'm bluffing, just check out how many children top olympiad winners, top academic performers, etc., end up having vs how many children the donald trump, epstein, hood nig-nog types, etc., end up having today.
>muh moooney is good indicator of resource acquisition
In this day and age, you just end up selecting for crooks and you get the current oligarchy in charge who run the show who hardly give 2 fucks as to how the planet would look like in 1 or two centuries. Sure their bloodlines or whores such as yours will survive, but for how long of my dear whore?

>>34648800
Define "together". Women only ever date up so he has to outperform you in all metrics I assume?

>>34648803
You sound like a 300lbs woman trying to convince men why they should date her.

>>34648810
you reap what you sow and boy aren't you faggots reaping what you sow.
You know as much as I do that a 5'6 manlet and a 300lb bitch don't in the same category of comparison, but here you're larping and lying like a true child of a whore mommy and a cuckoldry loving daddy

>>34648800
Not really. I was homeless, no college degree, 35 years old. Still found a girl. Still together after 5 years. It's good. It's great. It's awesome.

>>34648792
>Financially independent. No burden on the state or family. Have friends, get along with coworkers, healthy and I'm educated.
You know who else has those things? Women with loyal devoted husbands that are the father of their children. What's that? You don't have any children? Oh bummer. No man in your life that you can open your heart to and not be afraid of being betrayed? Oh no.

>>34648841
Being financially independent with children is like .01% of the population.

>>34648843
>but kids cost money dammit
then you're not as rich as you think you are

>>34648843
Cancel your Netflix subscription and stop ordering Doordash.

>>34648897
That is the worst advice. This advice saves you like $50 a month.
The real advice is "don't buy a new car" or "go to community college" or "get a cheap wedding" which are actually large purchases. And "don't have children" is one of the best ones by far.

>>34648915
Or you know... don't consider yourself financially independent when buying a car makes you feel like you're selling your liver and kidneys.

>>34648927
Financial independence means you don't have to work anymore. It's dependent on how much money you spend.

>>34648929
Yes, a homeless person is financially independent cause they live under a bridge and get free food from garbage cans. They ain't buying a new car though.

>>34648952
If they are good with that quality of life, they are financially independent.

>>34648961
Oh I'm sure they are, they're just never going to buy a new car.

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>>34648975
...You bought a new car, didn't you?

>>34648977
Whether I did or not is none of your concern. One does not own anything.

>>34648987
>How can we see when our eyes aren't real!

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>>34646823
>triggered the moid
good. here's some more.

sexbot
>can be equipped with different dick models, whatever a woman wants in that particular moment
>can easily be modified to look like another person, basically like changing a fortnite skin
>doesn't carry diseases like natural moids
>is programmed to find maximum pleasure for women based on her reactions to his actions during sex
>for those ladies who like to roleplay: sexbot will analyze your favourite erotica fanfics and behave as accurately to your favourite fantasy guy as it gets
>actually manages to shut up and not be a constant whiny crybaby like natural moids
>comes with a warranty

i get why this topic makes moids nervous but that won't stop the AI revolution - and it's benefits for womankind.

>>34648841
>having to take care of the loyal manbaby on top children, since men are nothing but a burden on a household
no thanks

>>34648843
a greater factor is support. when you have family at your back who will watch the kid while you work, that's when starting a family becomes easy for a woman. when you have that - just visit a spermbank when you have a stable job. that way you can focus on your family without irritations and distractions by a manchild.

>>34649051
>when you have family at your back who will watch the kid while you work, that's when starting a family becomes easy for a woman. when you have that - just visit a spermbank when you have a stable job. that way you can focus on your family without irritations and distractions by a manchild.
I'm going to disagree with you there since children need a father. The crime rates for children raised under single mothers are abnormally high.

>>34649051
>moid
oh god fuck off

>>34649057
>manosphere blah blah
sons need a father, sure.
but daughters don't. and any woman visiting a spermbank should think very carefully about if they really want to waste their life raising a son. you will never have a stable reliable bond like you could have with a daughter. daughters stick around - men aren't wired that way. a son is gone once he's an adult, or worse, his inherent laziness means he'll be the manchild who will try to cling to your leg for the rest of your life. and for those who constantly argue "muh elderly caretaking", it's 99% daughters and daughter-in-laws who do this. so keep that in mind, on top of daughters being less of a hassle in general.

>>34649075
>manosphere
kill yourself

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>>34649079
>can't afford to have his bussy busted by male model sexbot
sad. it's gonna be really fucking funny if the female model sexbot will cost double of its male counterpart just to fleece the gooner moids lmfao.

>>34649075
>but daughters don't. and any woman visiting a spermbank should think very carefully about if they really want to waste their life raising a son. you will never have a stable reliable bond like you could have with a daughter. daughters stick around - men aren't wired that way. a son is gone once he's an adult, or worse, his inherent laziness means he'll be the manchild who will try to cling to your leg for the rest of your life. and for those who constantly argue "muh elderly caretaking", it's 99% daughters and daughter-in-laws who do this. so keep that in mind, on top of daughters being less of a hassle in general.
Actually, the studies measured both daughters and sons. Both have higher crime rates without a father.

>>34648342
>smart thing to do is stop doin
The definition of insanity is going through the same hurdles over and over again while changing nothing and expecting different outcomes.
Change everything and see how that works out.

>>34649088
not from what i've seen irl.
then again, i don't live in a (((diverse))) place.

>>34649089
>Change everything
What is "everything" here because I don't understand what I can change to be better at reading people, or picking people who are actually compatible with me without having known them for a long period of time.

>>34649121
everything is literally everything, with exceptions such as if rice is good for you and makes you feel great as a food, don't change it, everything else though do just the opposite, until you find something you thought you hated that you actually like (such as different men, which is what we're talking about here). You speak in a way that you know how to read men, pick them for compatibility and that it takes a long time. The first two you can do the opposite and see how that feels, the third, time, is pretty much a universal test unit for relationships that seem to work out at first.

>>34649140
>Pick someone you think you'll hate
How on earth would this be helpful if I think I'll hate him I have reasons for that I'm not just magically going to change my mind because he's nice to me.

>>34649146
>hat I'm not just magically going to change my mind because he's nice to me
more like this: find your perfect man/woman idea, instead of going for what you think you'll hate, just take that idea and do the entire opposite, your idea was he would be a mechanic, instead look for him in management, he was short, instead look for tall men, etc.. just a thought

>>34649161
Who picks based on a job? And I've dated anywhere from 5'6 to 6'7 it doesn't fucking matter. You're being stupid.
>Pick different superficial shit than you usually would
Is even worse advice than I initially interpreted what you were saying as.

>>34649051
S tier bait. You should take this to a more active thread, you'll drown in (You)s.

>>34649171
>Who picks based on a job?
universally everyone does
>And I've dated anywhere from 5'6 to 6'7 it doesn't fucking matter.
so you have only dated tall men, try 5 and below now
>You're being stupid.
avoid personal attacks, people don't like that even when they are what you accuse them to be
>>Pick different superficial shit than you usually would
You read my suggestion as superficial but that was really a metaphor for more important things to try and point you towards a position of opening yourself up to completely changing your choice criteria when it relates to what you like in a man
>Is even worse advice than I initially interpreted what you were saying as.
yes, you misinterpreted the initial advice and you dug a rabbit hole when I reiterated

>>34649178
Your suggestions "height and job" were superficial. So I guess you misinterpreted yourself first then?
You blew it with the 5 foot tall or less thing it was kind of believable before that.

>>34649190
nta but what you got against short men? hmm? you fraid we ain't man enuff pho yah? huh?!

>>34649190
watch me go peter dinklage on yo pussy bitch you gone cum buckets

>>34649190
>Your suggestions "height and job" were superficial
actually weren's in a man's perception of what a woman generally wants: a man who is tall and with a "great job", whatever meme dimension those criteria are based on but with some truth originally
so to finish on this point I mentioned a few seemingly superficial qualities in order to metaphorically point you to think about more important traits, can we talk about that yet or do you need a moment?
>So I guess you misinterpreted yourself
lol, stahp
>You blew it with the 5 foot tall or less thing
no I didn't blow anything

>>34648762
kek so fucking true and on point

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>>34645469
I'm starting to realize I might just be a fuckbuddy cause we only hangout like once or twice a week only very late at night to do one thing(fuck)
i dont even have her phone number we just talk on discord
But I want her to be mine and I want to take her places and just hangout instead of fucking all the time
Did the roles of men and women reverse somehow?

>>34650993
Yes, you are her bitch. Nothing more than a glorified cheap disposable sex doll. She sees zero boyfriend material in you. You are nothing but a dildo.

>>34650993
Lol dildo boy

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>>34651028