How do I convert matches into actual dates? These girls are willing to talk to me for weeks but as soon as I suggest we actually meet IRL they ghost me.

When walking past the park today, I saw two girls chillin' under a tree on a blanket, one in just a bikini top. Oh how I wish I were the kind of guy who could go up and say, "hey, want some company?" Only in my dreams.

>>34780585
>"hey, want some company?"
that doesn't even work for a gigachad
you fcukers are so out of touch

>>34780533
What do I need and/or can do to make totally sure the woman I'm on a date with believes I'm attractive and will be willing to spend more time with me in the future.

>>34780610
I mean, anyone at a public park like that has a decent (but not guaranteed, of course) chance of being receptive to meeting new people. Anyway, what should I say?
>Hey, wanna push me on that swing?
What do you suggest?

>>34780617
>the woman I'm on a date with believes I'm attractive
if she accepted a date with you then she finds you attractive
>and will be willing to spend more time with me in the future
just don't spill your spaghetti, make her laugh in a flirtatious manner

>>34780618
>>Hey, wanna push me on that swing?
that's unironically better, guaranteed laughs

>>34780622
Well I'm trying to make people laugh when I'm outside, I'm getting into adapting jokes. But how would I do it in a flirtatious manner.

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>walk by one of the prettiest girls i've ever seen at target
>gonna cold approach
>see she has a friend so i bail
im such a pussy dude

I'm fairly good at cold approaching now and seem to get positive feedback from girls and even digits but can't manage to turn anything into a date. I'm considering apps at this point. I wish I had a wingman to help me out, and fix my mistakes :((

At best I'll meet the same hot girl every couple of weeks for another 5 minute conversation at the gym or on the train and then eventually become "kind of friends."

How do I turn 5 or 6 minute conversations into something meaningful? What's the most "natural" route here to spring off of? I know I need sustained interactions in order to develop connection but how????

>>34780905
Your instincts are pointing you in the right direction. Approaching groups of women in non club/bar settings has a very marginal chance of success. Unless you have a wingman.

How can I get over my awkwardness towards romance and my aversion for intimacy?
It always hurts seeing a pretty lady's face make that confused look when I pretend to be disinterested or bored after they approach me, when in reality I am actually quite anxious and don't know what to say.

>>34780981
Stop relying on people. Be happy being alone first before with others. People are playing you like a puppet because they instilled the fear of you getting prison ganged rape to make you not want to be independent. You got to fight that to get your girlfriend. Man I watched a guy run away like a chicken when he was about to get mugged and his girlfriend handed the muggers money and walked off. The "what if I got ganged rape" doesn't mean shit. Your brain does. Gandhi for example a weak ass motherfucker has more balls than a UFC fighter. Think about that.

>>34780981
Get drunk. Or an escort to breakthrough.

>>34780994
Oh fuck I summoned the king of /adv/.

Listen zach, I COULD get laid, but get awkward or even feel dread when push comes to shove if you catch my drift. And after this awkwardness sets in I usually run away after making an excuse up.
This makes me feel like I am a broken man since even the ugliest or shortest truecel would never run from the chance to get their noodle wet.
That is what I am trying to fix.

>>34781110
>This makes me feel like I am a broken man since even the ugliest or shortest truecel would never run from the chance to get their noodle wet.

that's not true, i've never had sex because i feel the same fear. the best solution is probably exposure therapy. the more you do something, the less afraid you are of doing it again.
so find some women that are just "practice" for curing your aversion to them. even if you screw up, it doesn't matter, because they are just there for practice.

>>34780698
It largely depends on the context and what you two talk about during the date, there's no

>>34781158
no guaranteed formula*

>>34781158
>>34781182
Give me an example.

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All the attractive women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

>>34781785
Did you come here for advice or?

I’m deeply traumatized from my childhood, and I was never really a fully formed person until last year. I’m 27 now but I’ve never made love or had a gf. At this point I recognize that every girl finds me attractive but I still haven’t gotten past the talking stage with anyone. I m the worst combination of too picky, too desperate, too introverted and inexperienced to even get anywhere if I do find myself talking to a girl. And then if I did get laid I know she’d try to get commitment from me which I just can’t see myself offering at this point in my dad life. Don’t really need advice just wish a hot young virgin girl would fall into my dms.

>>34780923
Be straight with them, say you are interested in a deeper connection

>>34781785
Tldr you were never gone make it with that attitude. Women can smell it from a mile away

>>34780533
How can you make a fat woman be interested in you as an ugly man?

>>34782364
they're the easiest imo, will say yes to whatever plan you throw at them

>>34781685
>tfw AMWW connoisseur

>>34782296
Still believe that limp dick boomer nonsense? How are they smelling out all the abusers, bud?

Reminder that if you haven't looksmaxxed, you're not doing /htgwg/ properly, and you have no basis to complain about your results.
1. Decrease your body fat to 15% or less, then do a lean bulk (~300 calorie surplus). Lowering body fat should be done before the bulk as this leans out your face.
2. Get well-fitting clothes that suit you.
3. Go to a hairstylist with good reviews and find a style that suits you. Once you find a good stylist, stick with them so you get reliable results.
4. Whiten your teeth. Strips and toothpaste will do a decent job, but your dentist will do even better.
5. Get your teeth straightened at an orthodontist, preferably with invisalign, not braces.
6. Visit a dermatologist to get your facial skin as good as you can.
7. Experiment with facial hair and see what looks best on you.

>>34780923
Most successful cold approacher.

>>34781778
Not him but I have one. Not romantic flirting but it’s the exact same thing. I’m the guy from the last thread who got a job offer. I was speaking with the HR recruiter on the phone yesterday after I emailed my acceptance.
>how are you, anon?
>good kayla, how’s your friday going?
>much better now that you’ve accepted. I really wasn’t sure if you would
>aw, did I have you on pins and needles?
>maybe just a little *laughs*

Just a little tease but with warmth behind it.

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actually cold approached a beautiful woman this afternoon. Complimented her and we had a brief chat but when I asked for her IG she said I have a bf. She smiled the entire time and was super sweet and kind. Asked me where I was from etc.
It's crazy how good you feel from approaching beautiful girls, even if they reject you. I feel alive and the fact a pretty girl has a bf is fair. Why wouldn't she.
The feeling of approaching mid and being reject is what's harsh. So just don't. They don't deserve it, and the stakes are the same for us guys, because of hoeflation.
I've noticed girls who are mid are less kind and smiley. Very dry and frustrated.

approach a hot girl today.

How do i overcome all this trauma that is so intrinsic to my life experience, that I can’t be with a woman who doesn’t understand what I’ve been through?

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>>34781785
>human societies are highly competitive and only those who have the will to persevere make it.
oh the horror
The ugliest ooga booga low iq apes are bagging white women, while you complain. You know what's the difference? They hit on girls. Because of their low Iq and undeveloped frontal lobe, they don't care and can't imagine hypothetical scenarios, making them retarded and bold. See The Anglo-Zulu War.

>>34782758
I overcame trauma. What’s the matter exactly? Actual PTSD tier stuff (war, sexual abuse, etc) or just really bad memories that you keep getting reminded of?

>>34782296
Truth hurts.

>>34782788
A lot of serious stuff, don’t wanna say too much but basically I missed out on my entire young adulthood

>>34782545
Uh, you believe generic incel nonsense anon. No room to talk.

>>34782809
Well if there are memories you just can’t get out of your mind, EMDR may be the key. It was for me. I used to hear my former boss and my mother’s voice in my head all the time saying nasty things, especially when it was quiet. In addition to that, therapy. I also found a partial hospitalization program incredibly useful.

>>34782817
It’s not really specific memories
It’s just painful knowing my life was ruined

How do I stop doing this:
>I'm too short for dating apps, if they even worked
>Can't drink because of meds, so no bars
>Friends and family can't or wouldn't help, lol
>I burnt my bridges with any girls at work
>None of these hobbies are interesting at all, and they're for old people and children anyways
And so on

I asked a girl out and she said yes but only wants to talk through a work related app, I think its over already.

>>34783262
lmao run

>>34783140
You mean negative self talk? It happens to everyone. Just gotta be more aware of it when it happens.

>>34782898
Well I don’t know your situation but the solution is likely moving forward. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. You can’t change your past but you’re writing your future every day. I’d once again recommend a partial hospitalization program. Therapy too, but I’ve also had great results with AI. There are some therapy focused ones that are free.

>>34783460
Basically I trooned out at 18 and didn’t realize it wasn’t for me until 26

>>34783542
Oh shit. Yeah I’d definitely go to a professional. Don’t do that by yourself.

>>34783555
A professional what?
I’m so fucking sick of therapy it feels like a waste of money

ok so after a whole year of almost no luck,
I managed to find a girl from a dating app who seemed into me from the beginning
she has on her profile she's looking for marriage, and so am I.
she was bubbly, and feminine
she laughed at all my jokes

after we finished eating i grabbed her hand, took her to the park near my place, and we kissed
but it wasn't a make out, it was like more romantic slow fun

she was very good at making sure things don't escalate too much
i took her to my place and we lay on my bed and kissed more
i could sense she didn't want things to go to sex
and as i sensed that i said, we're moving too fast right
and she was like yea
and then told me, you're so kind and started to hug me like crazy
we layed down and talked and started kissing again
as i went to kiss her thighs she stopped me
so we just layed down hugged and listened to music

now, I'm afraid that it was too good to be true
this always kind of happenas to me
girls always kind of give me intimacy, but make sure to limit it
and then when I show I want more, they push me away
so this time I'll pace myself and let her come to me more...

>>34780923
my go to strat to getting cold approach dates is during the initial conversation to not game them
like don't be "funny" or even "tease"
just be straight up normal
like, i liked your style, ask question sbaout who they are, surface level almost

then, the first message is something super simple, like it was nice meeting you today
basically: don't invest or try to game so hard or it raises their suspicions that you just want to fuck them
if you go slow and slowly go from surface level to deeper they will feel safer and trust you more so that if you invite them out they want to.

basically the opposite of what was the meta 5 to 10 years ago on millennial girls
zoomer girls are less trustworthy of people in general
so you have to be more genuine, slow, less cheesy pickup like

>>34783893
>i said, we're moving too fast right
>and she was like yea
>and then when I show I want more, they push me away
lol...

I've never really tried getting into a relationship or even approach women really. I'm not ugly but I'm fat and more generally I'm not able to take care of myself. I think that women are just not a strong motivator for me. Recently though I started both feeling lonely and getting increased sexual urges. I think my inability to approach women comes from fear of intimacy. I can't bear the idea of people seeing how disgusting I am. So now fear and want are fighting each other and I'm in pain.
The advice I'm here for is, how do I work through this? I can't take care of myself because I'm not motivated enough, but I'm not motivated enough because I can't take care of myself. What do I do?

>>34780582
Why are you waiting weeks? They never wanted to see you to begin with. Get it over quick. You're not building any rapport talking for more than a day.

There’s this one hot MILF who orbits my family who I’m trying to get something sparked with. She’s basically treated like an aunt. There’s like a 30 year age gap between us, but I think there’s something there. It’d be taboo and scandalous cause she literally remembers me from when I was a baby, but that only adds desu. I only see her at family gatherings and shit, which is a hindrance, but again, it really only adds to the erotic tension.

>>34780622
>if she accepted a date with you then she finds you attractive
that literally not how it works, the only sign is physical touch

>>34780923
They're not responding to you because you're some guy they met for 5 mins. Unless one of you is in a rush you should try your best to do something right there and then. If not just keep talking to her. If she has "something better to do" she probably doesn't like you that much.

>>34782364
I'd like to know what you even say to a fat woman. Like do you act like you have a bbw fetish or pretend that they're thin? Are you suppose to indicate that you're settling? Same with ugly women too.

>>34783262
Only discuss work but make everything a double entedre

>>34784221
So whats your question?

>>34784221
>>34784254

Sorry I should’ve been explicit.

How do I make it happen?

>>34784224
why the fuck would a woman accept to go out with a stranger if he wasn't attractive then

>>34784143
nice advice

>>34784377
because she finds the messaging, pictures safe enough to consider the guy
that's, really how it is now a days
women don't find a majority of guys attractive
yet, they are still willing to give them a chance
they're the nicer sex

If I want to optimize for attracting women(under 30) what car should I be driving? Don’t say it doesn’t matter because it obviously does, at least marginally

>>34782732
congratulations anon
you did it

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>>34784423
nice cars only attract kids and old men
is that your target audience?

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So it's been essentially confirmed to me that I am quite good looking. I'm apparently also very funny.

The problem I think I have is that I can't seem to get through the first approach and transform it into a situation where I can actually talk to someone.
Like when you see a girl you want to approach what do you even say? I usually say something to the effect of "I think you're very pretty and would like to know you"
I really don't know how to do this. I feel so stupid all the time.
I don't even really get the chance to be myself. Or maybe I do. Maybe that's why it never works

Fucking a non binary chick was among the greatest sexes of my life. Happy pride everybody.

>>34784435
I don’t want it to be nice, I want it to increase my chances.

Are you saying a girl will let me drive her home if Im offering a ride in a yellow Pontiac Aztec? She might, but that’s an instant ick. By this logic, there should be a different vehicle with the opposite effect. Also when out in the real world I rarely see couples with hot girls who drive bad cars. It’s always something nice they get in.

Of course if you’re a 7 feet tall Chad she won’t care about your car or your clothing. The rest of us underdogs have to optimize everything

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>>34784511
do you have the comprehension of a termite?
real women would rather you take a bus or hold her hand to work.
take a hike

>>34784501
hi i like your face
hi i like your style
hi i like your x

the less words the better
then you go into
my name is x nice to meet you
then ask her name if she doesn't give it to you

what are you up to
and start a normal convo
that simple

>hinge
>cute girl
>"together we could... play valorant together"
nice try jeets

>>34784517
See this is what I mean though. The normal conversation part is where it all falls apart.
Man I'm not gonna make it

>>34784525
Because the hardest part is not having a normal conversation, but transitioning it into something romantic/sexual. Basically you need to flirt and/or just be direct. I think instead of hi I like your whatever (which is already very standard/boring), you could try just asking if they would go on a date with you. I think the direct approach works surprisingly well, especially these days that nobody does it. Sure, most girls will reject it for whatever reason, but who cares.
Plus >>34782732

>>34782567
This deserves highlighting. Teeth whitening I think is for fags, though perhaps some need it. Doing a clean at the dentist isn't the same as whitening, but yes that would be a good idea. Anyway I'm at step 6 at the moment, 7 is mostly figured out.

>>34784532
don't do this if the girl is young
this will work on older girls or looser girls

but for young girls, they have little social skills fully online, any type of overt flirting or showing interest will backfire
you're better off being boring
you already showed interest by complimented them
you already have value by being yourself in their presence
any sort of game, is you signaling that you want to impress them
it's just not going to work on younger girls

a normal convo is boring, but it is sexually charged via tone of voice, eye contact
not from saying any line, or any flirt

flow of a normal convo is
what are you up to
she responds, you ask a question about what they said you ask another question
if she's interested in you because of your vbe, look, style, tone of voice (these are your tools not any line)
she will ask questions back and make conversation easy for you

you then get her instagram or number and you're in

End every interaction you have with a woman on a good note.

>>34784562
zaaach

>>34784552
Bro I'm 30 I don't talk to ipad kids

>>34784552
>it is sexually charged via tone of voice, eye contact
Also this sounds pretty retarded ngl, maybe it's some chad thing

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>>34784567
>>34784570
i need to get some sleep. can one of you take over graveyard shift for me and offer the best advice on the board to the others?
thanks
keep an eye out for my new friend. i forgot their name.
goodnight

>>34784563
Yep here we go again with the Zach is a faggot ass retard who makes people feel like people think they are gay if he is around them. Yep I've seen your shit several times in life. You kick me out of groups because you feel I'm making you look gay. Yep. Okay then now that his OCD is over what drink can I get at midnight?

Anon over here like, "Oh God I'm gonna lose pussy tonight because of Zach." Constant fear of looking gay and like you are an inferior bitch cuck when really you are just having a normal interaction with a decent person like yourself. Fucking Hell I bet you live in a basement and am afraid to get out of it because of your fears of people.

>>34784377
Desperate for attention and nothing better to do. Not like most women have hobbies they can delve into.

>>34784501
Outside of certain limits it really doesn't matter what you say. If you've ever had a conversation before you remember doing half the work right? Women will do the same. They probably stonewall you because you're nervous or awkward. Mental exercise try approaching women with a question in mind (non dating) but instead of leading with that just say hey or excuse me and don't ask the question until after some silence and shes either giving you her attention or she asked whats up. Pay attention to your demeanor vs going up to someone with a compliment or your advances.

>>34784570
Nah hes right. Majority of human comunication is non verbal. Go eaves drop on a conversation of normies and all the dumb shit they talk about. All those men fuck.

>>34784595
yeah you've never dated lol

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Hey anons let me tell you how cold approaches actually work

The point isn't to gf some random girl you chat up. The point is that it it desensitizes you to approach women who actually seem interested in you and teaches you how to read body language cues.

Just appoach women because you want to talk to them. If you don't want to talk to them, why are you trying to date them? Talk to them like they are someone you know and fuck off quickly if they don't match your energy.

You do it to develop your social skills not to treat women like slot machines.

>>34783910
I agree especially when day approaching. That's why I like it. You don't have to jestermaxx like you do in bars. Another advantage you have no fat chicks or jealous/drunk guys trying to cockblock you, you can get a direct 1-1 chance with the girl.

Come to think of it. My problem may be that I wait way too long to message, because I try to see the girl "naturally" more than once.

>>34784231
The problem is that "byte size" conversations are pretty much what I can get when I'm cold approaching at places along my routine paths like the gym, the train and the supermarket. I guess I could get something more extensive if I did meetup or cold approached at coffee shops or bookstores.

Only problem is, I don't usually have the time to cold approach there, and I'm kind of autistic so it takes herculean mental effort to do anything outside my routine. *sigh* this is going to be hard.

>Get lots of matches and dates from hinge
>They are all 30s women with fridge bodies
How to I get sexier women?

>>34785286
1. Be attractive
2. Don't be unattractive

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Which one of us was the retarded one here? I can’t tell what she’s responding to

>>34785345
She's telling you the greek mythology book she was interested in, just misinterpreted your question a little bit, I can already tell she's a bit ADHD

>>34785345
the purple bubbles are reasonable and pretty normal, the gray bubbles are retarded imho

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Any of those social skills/dating advice channels you'd actually recommend?

>>34783580
Some therapists are. The right one will help you more than anyone on /adv/ can.

>>34783893
How’d you get her to your place and into your bed if she wanted to take it slow?

>>34784177
Adderall then >>34782567

>>34784579
zaaach

>>34784671
Cold approaches are for guys with shit photos, not me.

>>34785286
Better photos, maybe better prompts.

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34785845
>take initiative and hit on four girls this summer
>they all ghost me
yeah

>>34785858
This is what happens 90% of the time if they dont straight up reject you. Lots of women do this because they just want attention or they actually dont like you and want to avoid the accountability that comes with telling you they arent interested.

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I'm a white guy, and I don't really have any racial preferences beyond not usually being attracted to black or indian women, so I swipe on a pretty good mix of women of all other races on dating apps.
And yet, like 90%+ of the girls who actually match with me and/or message me back are asian.
Why is that? I don't think I really present in a particular way. I'm mostly just a normal dude. I do have a few nerdy interests and I mention that on my profile. And I have long hair. But I'm also really into fitness and have a good physique that I show off in my pics. So I don't think I come off as a total dork.
I'm not really complaining, just wondering what the reason is. Anyone else have a similar experience?

How do I get over my fear of posting photos of myself on dating sites despite being handsome
I have a Hinge profile with prompts I'm super confident in (dw I know how to make a woman laugh without self-deprecation) but none of it matters if I put down zero photos

Can't tell if this qt at the bus stop is reading a book because she's trying to impress me, as I've always got a book I'm reading and I've been going to that bus stop way longer than her, or she's just doing her own thing. Maybe both.

>>34784649
have

>>34785946
Just pick your best ones and post them. I hate every picture of myself. I think I look terrible in every single one. But I just took the plunge and posted them. I've gotten likes on some of the worst ones. You are your own worst critic. Nobody else will judge you that harshly.

2nd week
got my first match after the 5th foid liked me.
sadly none of my like got me any matches yet. will probably improve my selfie pic because i think its my weakest (and also the first one showing). Any advice from chads on how to get a proper selfie (angle, facial expression or other stuff)?

>>34786133
Thank you that really helps, I put up a couple decent photos so far, need to work on shooting some more

Where to meet women that doesn't require any form of cold approaching?

The most important thing to do when you have these encounters with women is yourself and them as human through all of it. Stop being OCD about yourself and people. Try to be laid back and know it is okay to make mistakes and fall short. You're not supposed to have this perfect interaction where she giggles and laughs with you. What's most likely gonna happen is you are gonna go in with a joke and she is gonna respond with a serious question and then you are gonna go in a different direction in the conversation from the one in your head, and that is okay. Conversations are about being adaptable not about being God.

>>34787062
don't tell me what to do

Should I be honest on dating apps and say I've never had a girlfriend?
Pretending to be a normalfag isn't working for me anyway.

>>34787357
no
only thing that works is having more attractive pictures which can be accomplished by
living a more attractive life and
becoming physically more attractive

>>34787365
So I should just kill myself and reroll?

>>34787370
if youre over 40 perhaps kek
nah but really, just live a more attractive life
that's all girls want you to do
go out, do things, have a passion

>>34787427
I already do all that, so clearly it's not all girls want me to do.
I don't understand what the fuck an attractive life is.

>>34787464
attractive life is one that other people see and want to live as well. they look at you and you signal
1) vitality - looking healthy, fit, groomed
2) freedom - enough money to do what you want
3) social - having friends to do things with
4) competent - being good at what you do
5) movement - being in many different places
6) novel - not stuck in the old, trying new things out
7) taste - has a preference, aesthetically aware
8) character - humor, morally balanced, not bitter, "confidence"

If you notice those instagram pages with guys traveling lookng fit, bronzed smling with friends, they are succeeding at showcasing an attractive lifestyle

If you want to build that from scratch you need to start with character, having a positive and hopeful attitude as well as being competent at something that makes you money to buy you freedom.
with more freedom you can develop your taste, try out new experiences and make friends along the way.
just go through the list, are your pictures showcasing all of the above? if not you have to work on that

>>34787486
So in order to get one girl to like me I need to look like the top 1% of Instagram models?
What I don't get is why do I have to do this and no one else does? Why does everyone else have no problem getting girlfriends but I need to literally be the best of the best to even have a chance.

Obviously there's just something completely wrong with me, and if it's so wrong I need to be absolutely perfect to even get a chance then chances are I still wouldn't have a chance regardless what I do.

>>34787590
Because obviously that guy is lying to you. Just go outside look at couples, with women you would want to date, then look at the guy.

>>34787590
everyone having girlfriends is a lie
most people are lonely
go outside and noticing who has a partner is selection bias
most people form relationships from social interaction outside not from an app
you're asking for success on an app
which requires a lot of effort

BUT
that effort is worth it
this is the part you're not seeing

getting a better job, learning about fashion, grooming, traveling, trynig out new experiences, going to the gym
these are all fun and good things

things that were natural to do because there was no internet or doomscrolling to compete with them.

then there's this mechanism:
in the process of building an attractive life, you may meet your girl out in the real world

I think I just witnessed what two girls fighting over your attention looks like. To start I know both girl A and B, girl A is a great friend of mine who I suspect has a bit of romantic feelings for me (If I'm right, it's mutual, I'm got some too) and girl B who I've tried my ass off to get with and have failed brutally.

Anyway any time I would try to have a 1 on 1 convo with B, A would enter it, every time, never seen her do that before, and for topics I wouldn't think she'd give a fuck about

and with B, kind of the same thing, a bunch of shit I tried to get her to go to, now all of a sudden she's super interested when before I could never get her to hang out with me at all for anything

It was interesting but a little overwhelming cause I couldn't give them equal amounts of attention, and I could notice the body language shift when one "lost" over the other, from A especially, some of her body language had a "he's with me" air about it

>>34788198
Also just realizing neither would ever let me be alone with the other. What the fuck, A I get, but why does B even care, she rejected by advances like 5 times

>>34786934
Hobby groups

also, "cold approach" is such an over/misused term, you should know that starting a conversation with a woman isn't always a cold approach. in the above example for instance, a hobby group or something like a dance class where you both have a reason to be in the same place.
any time you have shared context, it's not a cold approach. could be something as basic as standing in the same line and you open by commiserating at how long it's taking, or as involved as forming a study group because you're taking the same course.

>>34788198
I don't get why you niggas waste your precious time and energy on women who don't fucking want you. pursue the bitch who hasn't curved you 5 times, dumbass. as for the other one, her loss.
if it takes another bitch giving you attention to get her dumb ass to finally reciprocate (kind of), then she doesn't actually want you and any "desire" she's psyopped herself into feeling will wear off almost instantly. she doesn't want to lose an orbiter because she's a psycho attention whore whose insecurity demands validation. if you just wanna fuck her then sure play them against each other but if you want anything more you're wasting your time.

>>34788306
I know man, I just found it interesting, she's made it abundantly clear she don't fuck with me, so I kinda stopped giving a fuck about her, and then seeing all that shit, it was like 2 different people

>>34787952
I actually go outside and see people with partners all the time. Everyone either has a partner or an ex. It's pretty much impossible to find people who have NEVER had a girlfriend like me. You also need to update your script, boomer, because a majority of couples now meet through apps, including all my friends.
>getting a better job, learning about fashion, grooming, traveling, trynig out new experiences, going to the gym
>these are all fun and good things
This is the shit that pisses me off the most, the fact that you're saying this only proves how over it is for me. It's no different from the people who say all you need to get a gf is to shower. The fact that you automatically assume that I'm not doing any of these things and *that* must be the reason I've never had a girlfriend despite the fact that I do in fact do these things on a much more frequent basis than everyone else has to means that all I'm doing is putting in this effort to be on the same level of someone who doesn't put in any effort at all - and someone who doesn't put in any effort never has a chance.

If I'm going out, trying to push myself to be the best person possible and to meet new people and I end up from you perspective at the exact same level as someone who isn't even trying, how the fuck is it not over for me?

The difference between someone who spends hours studying and gets no marks and someone who doesn't study at all and gets no marks is that the person who didn't study saved himself a lot of pain and trouble, and everyone is just going to assume that the person who did study didn't study anyway.

>>34787720
Tell me about it. I saw this gorgeous woman in the supermarket and I remember thinking "what kind of guy do I have to be to date a girl like that" and then her short, fat boyfriend waddled up - he failed step 1) and still won but I need to complete all eight steps to even get a chance.

Hey everyone, I hope all of you are doing well. I need help. I'm going out there to talk to women and ask them out, I've got no problem with getting their number as I've done it before, but I normally just get their social media info.

Sometimes I have trouble approaching (she's facing away from me, she's talking to her friends, she's pretty busy), but a few times when she seems approachable, it seems to go pretty well, but only to a point where I get numbers or socials.

What makes me feel wrong is that some people just kind of say something that makes women do whatever they want them to do, which makes me so mad at myself. People kiss random people on the street or train station, and I just get some IG account where I get ghosted for free for the 500th time just as every other man does. I'm clearly not escalating enough. How do I make the convo from something boring and generic (e.g. "Hey, how are you?", saying hi and starting a convo and talking about whatever), to something more romantic or even sexual? I'm going to many social events, and I need to know what I can say.

Thank you in advance.