Reminder that if you haven't looksmaxxed, you're not doing /htgwg/ properly, and you have no basis to complain about your results.
1. Decrease your body fat to 15% or less, then do a lean bulk (~300 calorie surplus). Lowering body fat should be done before the bulk as this leans out your face.
2. Get well-fitting clothes that suit you.
3. Go to a hairstylist with good reviews and find a style that suits you. Once you find a good stylist, stick with them so you get reliable results.
4. Whiten your teeth. Strips and toothpaste will do a decent job, but your dentist will do even better.
5. Get your teeth straightened at an orthodontist.
6. Visit a dermatologist to get your facial skin as good as you can.
7. Experiment with facial hair and see what looks best on you.

>>34757454
How do you find one of these mythical hair stylists that choose your cut for you? Every barber I know just asks what you want. And just fives you the razor anyway.
Also quit shilling teeth whitening. Dumbest shit ever.

3 pieces of advice for the thread:

1. Remember women love guys who are patient with their feelings and know the thought matters more than the feeling.

2. Bad luck does not define you. It's okay to constantly have bad luck in every interaction you have with people. It is what it is. It's just a part of what makes people human.

3. When a woman rejects you, she is not rejecting you because she deeply hates you. The rejection despite harsh, is just her way of being efficient finding no use of her. So in order to protect herself from her overly abudant amount of friends and family she needs to get to instead of you hanging around, she has to block you. Harsh, but it is what it is. Women just have priorities.

>>34757733
*finding no use of you.

I'm single now after a long relationship. I am not autistic, I am tall and fit 186/74, I have my own car, and I'm in the process of buying a flat.

After 6 years together I mostly drifted away from other friends and people, focusing on my relationship, but we broke up lol

My biggest question is: where to find women and how to approach them. I tried cold opening a couple girls in the gym or the bus stop but it just goes nowhere because we're strangers.

For example, before COVID working in a 200-people company, I would hook up with coworkers or I would meet other girls through them. But now, working from home and being in a long relationship I just don't have contacts anymore.

>>34757971
Time for the trifecta bro.
>Hinge, bumble, tinder.
Good luck, it ain't for the weak, nor ugly.

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>>34757582
just get high fade

>you look good and smell good
>you approach single women
>you approach during their peak 5 days of horniness
>you don't sound like a retard
>you don't try to score when they're exhausted
>you put a bunch of drinks in them

>>34759073
>you approach single women
Where?

I want sex bad, but I don’t know how to get in a relationship or hire a whore, am not charismatic enough to hook up with strangers, and am terrified to try dating apps. What do?

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I might just be too autistic/too jewish to understand, but how the fuck do people justify spending money on women?

Everyone knows there are guys driving halfway across the country or buying plane tickets just to see a woman
but no matter how much is in the bank my fist clenches just imagining myself buying a girl lunch

Feels like giving homeless guy money when you know they make more than you do

Idk can I you a GF without the ability to simp?

>>34759559
Would you ever buy a friend lunch?

>>34759560
Yeah, but I don't want to fuck any of them either
And none of them are broke, so they always pay me back

But I women don't owe me anything, right? So why would I give them anything at all if I'm not 100% certain she likes me too?

>>34757454
How do I decrease my bodyfat and get abs? Losing weight isn't an issue but I've never had abs. I gotta start swimming?

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https://youtu.be/SbQu55bMvZs?t=1566

Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

Random approach-of-strangers-in-public idea I thought of while on a walk,

>*approach girl*
>hey -- sorry to bug but does this color work on me? *pointing to shirt*
>(whatever her answer is)
>okay thanks! you're pretty much exactly the kind of girl I'm trying to attract so your opinion is helpful
>(if this gets a good response, then go to...)
>speaking of which, since I've got your attention, can I get your number?

or make further conversation before the number. thoughts?

came up with it because was wearing a new sweater with a color I never, ever wear, so I genuinely would have wanted to ask a good-looking girl if it worked on me, and then the rest just kinda makes sense naturally

>>34757454
>Reminder that if you haven't looksmaxxed, you're not doing /htgwg/ properly, and you have no basis to complain about your results.
>1. Decrease your body fat to 15%
"just do this thing that will take 3 years of effort easy"

damn thanks for the suggestion that solves everything

>>34757739
neither way you phrased it makes sense in English language, thirdie

>>34757582
Take in a picture of a cut you like and see if they think you could do it.
>Also quit shilling teeth whitening. Dumbest shit ever.
Europoor detected.
>>34759643
You’ll need your body fat at about 9-12% for a six pack. You’ll probably lose some muscle on the way down so you should recomp/lean bulk once you’re done with your cut. If it needs to be stated you should be lifting hard during all of this.
>>34759657
Do you not plan on being alive in 3 years?

>>34759806
I plan on not being a pedo in three years

>>34759653
Just don't. That sounds very autistic and weird. Approach her, give her a compliment about her outfit, her smile or whatever has made you decide to approach her. Tell her your name like "Im [anon] btw.".
If at this point she didnt say "im not interessted", "i have a bf" or any other negative comment you either have a conversation about what she is up to at the moment (for example) or go straight to "wanna grab a coffee?" and exchange number. The latter is rather bold.
And don't forget. It's not a job interview so don't just ask question after question. If she doesn't ask you something back, then answer your own question.
If she declines (during initial approach or when asking for a coffee) don't sperg or try to change her mind. Be polite and wish her a good day and go.

>>34760059
Seems the same as compliment about her outfit, only the reverse to me. but alright, fair enough, was just an idea

>>34759806
>You’ll need your body fat at about 9-12% for a six pack. You’ll probably lose some muscle on the way down so you should recomp/lean bulk once you’re done with your cut. If it needs to be stated you should be lifting hard during all of this.
I have zero muscle. Do I need muscle for abs?

Any advice on getting a girl with a long distance bf?

basically just be a cool guy and ask them questions and say things that are interesting if you get a chance to organically talk to them and don't be angry or a sperg

How does one even find a girl in the first place?

>>34759643
>Losing weight isn't an issue but I've never had abs
Probably because you never work em? Abs are made in the kitchen is half bs. Mostly just for fatty gymcels. Just do those standard six minute abs exercises everyday. Then do weighted ab lifts at the gym every 3 days. 1 - 2 months is all it take if you're thin.

>>34760586
If you have a sister or female cousin, practice talking like a normal person with them.
Proceed to go out into the world and use your new found skills on a girl in the wild. The old advice about being polite, humble, and confident is as timeless as ever. Go with purpose but be sure not to be desperate, girls can smell that a mile away. If she declines then just move on and don't take it personally

>>34760680
nta but that doesn't even answer the question. "In the wild" everyone just drive to a builing either for a private event or they're with some pre invited party.

>>34760680
I rarely see women in a week and when I do I avoid them out of embarrasment.
When they try talking to me or follow me I just go mute and walk away.

I am not even dumb or ugly, just anxious.
How can I fix this shit?

>>34760701
>How can I fix this shit?
>>34760680
>If you have a sister or female cousin, practice talking like a normal person with them

>>34760713
I have no female relatives, or any friends who are women since I stopped hanging out with my old friend group and refuse to go back. Most of the friend group was single guys and the few guys with girlfriends had been dating them since they met back in highschool.

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>>34759937
Then be a non-pedo who looks good.
>>34760379
Feel free to find out, but odds are you won’t look good even if you do. You’ll just be auschwitz level skinny. You should gain muscle once you get down to 15%.

>>34760586
Apps

>>34760780
lol

>>34759559
I bet you also do not fall for 'sex sells' when they put women in ads to entice men to buy things.
I am similar, and never understood the need to coddle or spend money on women, or the need to show off for women.

If you are like this then know we are a unique and dying breed. Maybe we are traditional men or possibly slightly schizoid, but we are certainly different to the vast majority of men who are emotional midwits who would suffer just for a drop of female attention.

>>34759653
Sounds very stilted and unnatural. Like I'm reading cause and effect for a character wiki. You have one good idea (ask about random shit you're thinking about) but it doesn't have to be your shirt everytime. My advice would be ask a question opener like how are you or whats up? If she takes it as a question you continue the conversation, if she takes it as a greeting you ask your shirt question. Also probably better to make your next reply a joke no matter what hers is. Yes > damn I was thinking of returning it so that old bag finally goes out of business. No > can we trade [shirts] then? Can't make it to the (funny place) looking like this.
Idk just my 2 cents.

>>34760744
Just get new friends who have girlfriends then. Not like it will help you though. Talking to women innocuously won't teach you how to flirt.

>>34759348
face your fears head on
8-11pm as many nights as you can
hit the bars and talk to strangers
this is the only way

just go and try it out for a good month
come back and tell us what you learned what went wrong etc

>>34759559
Girls usually offer to split on the first date with me and almost always on subsequent dates. I don’t let it bother me because I’m not a poor and don’t usually have expensive dates anyway.

Have you ever masturbated to someone you know? Did you see them again? Have you ever sex with them even after doing it? I got drunk and did it to a friend i knkw and now I feel regret and mentally ruined my chances of ever doing anything with her.

>>34759657
Not him and I'm not huge advocate of sports, but who the hell told you getting a gf will be easy? Since when is anything with women or people easy?

Just because you disagree with his advice doesn't mean it's not true. For people like me, I'm a year away from normal weight and low body fat. For you if it's 3 years, you must be big, but it doesn't mean you can't do it. Believe in yourself buddy, because unfortunately no one's going to do it for you

>>34761023
As a matter of fact, I have a pretty good streak of sleeping with girls I decide to jerk off to that I know IRL. Don't tell anyone but I actually consider it one of my lucky charms. It's not something I tend to do unless I think there's a chance though.

>>34761010
Are you people all just rich?

>>34761023
>now I feel regret and mentally ruined my chances of ever doing anything with her
You're nowhere even close to that

>>34761081
damn, you just hiit the nail on the number 1 predictor of success with women
the more money and financial leeway you have, the higher chance of getting married and succesful relationships
statistically

so the very thng that gets you women is having more money

>>34761049
>>34761086
This makes me feel better. It just felt like I couldn't control this urge when I was super drunk. I do not want to make it a habit but the times I've met up with her again I feel more comfortable but it's also in the back of my mind. I do feel more attraction to her and shes always bubbly when she sees me.

>>34761023
Yes, to damn near any girl that displayed cleavage in middle and high school (didn’t have sex) and later to girls I dated (did have sex).

>>34761223
That's a relief.did it make it easier to lead into eventual sex with them or just boosted your attraction to them

>>34761261
Well it was because I felt their tits so sex wasn’t a distant possibility by the time I was fapping to them.

I’m doing a cooking plus movie date at my place this week. When do I make the move for sex? I’m thinking the time is shortly after she goes to the bathroom after dinner, whenever that is. I’ll go to the bathroom at the same time.

>be at club
>hi I'm anon
>hi I'm Haily
>...
I'm too autistic for nightlife, wtf are my options?

>>34760376
But it's not. You state clearly your intention that she got your attention from something. Your example seems more like a "just a prank, bro" opening. It may work when you have charisma and are full confident, which you need in either case to be successful. Like i said before give her a compliment at the start of the conversation, tell her your name and have a small chit chat for a minute or two and then ask for her number.
Be confident during the whole interaction and dont put her on a pedestal.

>>34761644
>nice tits!

I keep thinking about past times when girls showed obvious interest in me but i was too autistic to get it at the time. I could have get laid numerous times in high school and not be frustrated like this at 30

>>34761774
Can't change the past bra. Why don't you worry about the future.

>>34761644
>Wanna dance?
or
>Nice party, you're having fun?
or
>Never seen you before, you come here often?

>>34761779
Would going to a hooker fix this virgin frustration or should I keep trying for unpaid genuine sex?

>>34761801
NTA, but you'll regret losing it to a hooker

>>34761801
I'd avoid the prostitutes. Sex feels great if you like the girl, random hookups and prostitutes just feels like somewhat better masturbation with too many extra steps

How do I get back into the dating game?
>married my love when I was 28
>divorced at 38 with no kids
>now I'm 40 and want to settle with someone
I don't know how did I manage to get her to like me and marry me in the first place.

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redpill me on height increasing shoes

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I hate dating apps, but it's not for the reason you might think. I do get a few decent matches here and there, and have talked to women from the apps successfully.
But the problem is that every woman who uses a dating app is absolutely flooded with matches/messages, and is talking to several different guys at any given time. But I don't believe in multi-dating, and I just can't get over the idea of my future wife talking to other guys while we were getting to know each other.
Will I face the same issue if I meet women on places like Discord, Reddit, /soc/, etc.? Is there anywhere I can meet women online where I won't face that issue? I know meeting in person seems like the obvious solution, but let's be real, nobody fucking does that anymore.

>>34762286
Why do you think you're immediately entitled to exclusivity simply for talking to someone?

>>34762298
I think mutual exclusivity should be the norm when talking to someone with romantic intent. And it has been for most of human history up until now.
Key word, mutual. It's not like I'm asking for something I'm not also offering, myself.
What is so hard about focusing on one person at a time, until you determine if you're compatible or not?

>>34762302
>What is so hard about focusing on one person at a time, until you determine if you're compatible or not?
Because this can take months or even years, time is short

>>34762303
It does not take months or years just to know whether or not someone is compatible enough to continue focusing on them. If you do it right, it takes 2 weeks max.
Let me ask you this: Do you think your mother was talking to multiple other men when she met your father? How would that make you feel if she was?

>>34762307
>it takes 2 weeks max.
Ripe for a divorce two years after marriage, then you'll wish you didn't waste so much time
>Do you think your mother was talking to multiple other men when she met your father?
Most likely, yes? Is this supposed to be some gotcha? For your own sake, talk with multiple women at once and weigh your options until you mutually decide to be exclusive.

>>34762065
It's one thing to be short, but it's other to be insecure about it

>>34761023
There's a girl I dated briefly in university. Super nerdy, not very pretty, but with the biggest tits I've seen IRL. Did kissing, even light petting, but before I got the chance to put benis in bagene, I did the dumbest thing ever - made a move on her roommate. Ended up banging the roommate a few times, but that was the only upside. We only talked once or twice after that.

>>34762316
>Ripe for a divorce
I'm not saying to marry someone after 2 weeks you fucking retard.
It's simple. You ask all the most important questions within the first 2 weeks. Values, politics, religion, family goals, hobbies/interests, career goals, relationship expectations, etc. Then by 2 weeks you should be able to answer the following question:
"Am I compatible enough with this person that I should give a relationship a shot with them and continue getting to know them over the next few years before potentially marrying them?"
If yes, you continue. And you can still leave at any time if you don't actually turn out to be as compatible as you thought. If no, you break it off, and you only lost 2 weeks. No big deal.
This is not some weird, insane, highly inefficient way to date. This is perfectly reasonable.
>Most likely, yes?"
Well your mom's a whore then, and your dad's a cuck. Odd that that doesn't bother you.
>For your own sake, talk with multiple women at once
As a man, you will never have as many options as your female looksmatch. Setting aside that for most men, finding even one woman who likes you is nearly impossible, let alone 2 or even more.

>>34762286
>my future wife
brother just make her your baby mama and move on. why would you marry a dating app woman

>>34762350
>why would you marry a dating app woman
Nigga, that's my point. Did you even read my whole comment? I don't want to marry a dating app woman, but where the fuck else am I supposed to meet women (online), where I won't also face this same issue? Nobody has answered this simple fucking question yet.

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>>34762286
>But the problem is that every woman who uses a dating app is absolutely flooded with matches/messages, and is talking to several different guys at any given time
Some do, some don’t. Saying every woman does is a cognitive distortion known as overgeneralization.

>>34762386
Ok fine. Every woman who is my looksmatch. Now will you answer the God damn question?

>>34762394
Still overgeneralizing, which is a cognitive distortion.

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Hey guys, remember the first step to "getting a girl" is being able to start and maintain in person relationships of any kind. And the first person you should be able to have a positive relationship with is yourself.

And always remember, you are deserving of love. But to receive love, you must first be open to it. Which is probably going to be hard. If you're on this board there's a good chance you are lonely, guarded, and bitter. Start by being kind to yourself. That means a few thing.
First, it's mental. Extend grace to yourself. Try not to dwell on mistakes, dwell on what you like about yourself.
Secondly, it's physical. The second post is really bad advice disguised as good advice. You should get a haircut that looks good and take care of your skin, but it's not to get a girl. It's because you deserve to look and feel good. Your body is your body, and it's the only one you have. Take care of it. Don't focus on specific standards like "if I don't reach this body fat percentage I will die alone!". Instead, think about having nicer skin because it's your skin and it should be nice because it is yours.
Exercise is great, everyone needs to get up and move around some times. But don't focus on one thing because it's what a man "should do". Find something you genuinely enjoy doing, that makes you feel good in your body. Yoga, bouldering, bike riding, whatever.

If you want someone to care about and appreciate you, the first person who should do that is you. That will be a massive step towards lowering the walls to separating you from others

You need to be trying to build relationships at the same time. A social hobby of some kind is a great way to start. Some kind of tabletop game, a sport, a martial art, whatever. Something that is mixed gender would be ideal. But remember, the goal isn't romance. The goal is getting to know people.

Remember, there will never be a perfect you. Don't wait, start now and grow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-5nPUqjS-k

>>34762286
OK, first off, you need to become way less possessive. These women do not know you, and they don't actually owe you anything yet.

Accept that any woman you meet will be a full person in their own right, with their own history and relationships and ideas. Getting upset that they are giving other guys the same amount of attention they are giving you before they even meet you in person is nuts, and suggests a very unhealthy attitude about the whole thing.

Like, exclusivity in dating, sure. But exclusivity in chatting on a dating app? That's nuts dude.

>>34762286
>>34762513
Fuck off. I didn't ask whether anyone thinks my standards are valid or not. I do not give a shit what anyone thinks. Either answer my question or don't bother responding.

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34762627
>help me get woman
>don't critique my strategies
>why i cant get women?

Idk anon

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>>34762647
Nice guys can't fuck big boy.

>>34762627
>I do not give a shit what anyone thinks.
I mean, it sounds like you give a shit what the women think. Or else you wouldn't care that they were talking to other guys.
>Either answer my question or don't bother responding.
OK. No. There is no place, IRL on online, where you could expect women to not talk to other men at the same time they're talking to you before you've started dating. If that's your standard, fine, but you will die alone.

It might be a good idea to think about why you are demanding so much attention from women you haven't made any kind of connection or commitment with yet.
Is it insecurity? Or just that you've listened to too many podcasts and now you think that's how women "should" behave?
Because that standard you have is, as you already know, proving to be a massive block in between you and making a connection with another human being. So don't just drop that standard, think about why you put it in place in the first place and what that says about how you're approaching this whole thing.

Your perseverance is what matters not what you are stuck with.

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i'm grateful to have been able to improve in myself and reach to the point where i can at least go out with girls, but this shouldn't be the case
love should be natural. everyone in this world should be loved, and it pains me to see so many who remain khhvs for so long. many do self-improve yet see no happy outcome
on the other hand, there are people who naturally don't have to work for love. a lot of them didn't have to use dating apps, look for advice online (/htgwg/ for example), listen to podcasts, nor self-improve. most of the time, these people go through life getting what they want naturally
i'm one of those people who can't find love through natural means, but at least has the potential, so that keeps me going
i blame god for punishing the deserving and favoring the undeserving, and how differently advantaged and disadvantaged he created humans
i wish all anons here great fortune and happiness with their love lives

>>34762329
You people have such retarded, internet-rotten ideas of what a cuck is and isn't. Used to be to be a cuck your woman was supposed to be having sex with other men behind your back, now if your wife talked to men before she dated you you're a cuck according to internet failures.

>>34762506
Rare for good advice like this to be posted in these threads.

>>34762689
That part.

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>>34762728
>love should be natural
Should statements are cognitive distortions.

>anon watched a youtube short about cognitive distortions
>has come to share his profound knowledge

>>34762651
My problem isn't that I can't get women. Is nobody even reading my comment?

>>34762750
>now if your wife talked to men before she dated you
No. WHILE dating you. Talking to someone with romantic intent IS dating. Reading comprehension.

>>34762689
I don't think I am demanding "so much" attention. It's not like I'm asking to be official or confessing my love to women immediately. I still date "normally" in the sense that I treat it like getting to know someone gradually over the course of weeks/months. It's just that, to me, when you start talking to someone with that romantic intent, even if you aren't official yet, you are still "dating", and therefore I think it's right that you only focus on each other at least until you decide not to continue anymore.
I guess it makes sense to talk to multiple people at the same time if you're approaching dating in a totally casual way where you're open to short-term relationships or hookups. But I'm not. I'm not looking to rush into marriage, but that is the ultimate goal of dating for me. As soon as I don't see myself marrying someone, I don't continue. I'm dating with marriage and life partnership in mind. And I don't understand how people can be ok with the idea of their future spouse talking to other ppl in the early stages of your relationship. But even women who also say they are looking for marriage or a life partner are still multi-dating, and I just don't get it.

>>34762787
>>anon watched a youtube short about cognitive distortions
No.
>>has come to share his profound knowledge
Yes.

>>34762792
>>34762795
>>34762807
You want benefits of exclusivity without being exclusive. You're needy as a motherfucker.

>>34762753
Uh-huh. Are you gonna take it or be obnoxious about it. Gym memberships are cheap and you can do core exercises you find on the internet. Both me and that anon agree that results matter. But making I have big brain dick compared to everyone else does nothing. Good thing I know being smart and having all the answers doesn't mean anything.

>>34762864
Wtf does that even mean? I am quite literally asking to be exclusive. And I am not talking to other women on my end.
I feel like I'm being one-guy'd by one absolute fucking negative IQ retard that can't even read comments.
The fuck is your problem man?

>>34762865
>core exercises you find on the internet
None of these clown show ab circuit routines work. You have to treat the abs like any other muscle and progressively overload with heavy weighted crunches.

>>34762917
Oh really? You're asking to be exclusive with women you just met? No you're not you fucking liar. You wait until several weeks or months before doing and get mad that you don't have exclusivity benefits before that.

>>34757454
already do / done most of these things
I just think foids today arent worth the mind games

>>34758090
I had decent matches on dating apps but I just hate the dynamic of talking to someone there.


I actually was thinking of going to this pub close to me where I'm a regular and trying to pick up women there. Or joining a climbing club. But basically having a place where I'm already validated.

>>34757398
Always remember boys, any woman who rejects you for whatever reason has never wanted you in the first place. It's hard to accept but that's the honest truth. No matter how interested and serious she looked before "you fucked up".

How about instead of us defining ourselves by how much we are awfully the 80% of men out there women despise. We just say we are outcasts who have their moments who should just try to be laid back more often. Let's do that instead and I think our dating chances will get better immensely. That and not judge women or criticize them or say they are this or that or even let things get to us.

Like the most probable answer is that it is best to say we haven't found the right woman yet and am just having bad luck.

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I want sex, but I don't want to go to a brothel.
What do you think of the idea of approaching women on the street and handing them a piece of paper with my cell phone number, saying, "I'll pay you a high price in exchange for sex"? It sounds stupid, but I think it might work.

>>34763329
https://youtu.be/Y0rTdDFiBNs

>>34763111
You shouldn’t be sending more than 8 messages before asking them out. I’ve done it in 1 before.

>>34763528
So did she go

How do you feel a girls boobs? How do you get yourself in that situation

>>34762506
honestly true
although framed in a very feminine, therpist type of way.
but i'm a bit more of a say it how it is type of person and my realization is this:

the people who are most attractve to other people are in total control of their body
the body asks you to relax, eat shitty food, feel emotions, and those who can act despite of the bodies crying are who succeed more in life and wth women.

so there are people who let their body control them: they get unfit, they refuse to do hard things, they refuse to approach, they don't get haircuts etc.

and those who are in total control of their body.
they are able to shape it to be attractive, they punish it in the gym, they don't allow it's shtty wants to eat bad food get to them

So your outward appearance is truly a reflecton of how much control you have over your body.

If you can't even control your own body, then your mind is not fit enough to not be controlled by the world.
And a woman can instantly sense this.

So the advice is as follows for a male mind:
You have a body, you have a mind. If you allow your body to control your mind, you can't get bitches.
You have to be able to control your body and sculpt it to it's peak form.
You are an animal. Imagine your body as the animal part of you. If you baby it, and let it dominate you, it's over. Gotta be tough on it

>>34764295
>How do you feel a girls boobs?
The first time you just kind of squeeze them, lightly if you're making out sensually, harder if you're making out hardcore. Once you get more familiar/comfortable with each other you can do anything she's comfortable with (painful things like biting/slapping being the only common exceptions).
>How do you get yourself in that situation
It's when you're making out and people aren't around, so at one of your place's, a car, or maybe somewhere outside secluded.

>>34764295
the desire to feel a girl's boobs is a cognitive distortion

>>34757398
Theoretically, I have a relationship with a girl who lives 2 hours away from me. I can't just drive to her, I have to take a bus. How do I conduct myself?

>>34764511
Ok gotcha. Escalation with emphasis on seclusion.
>>34764517
What do you mean? What's wrong with boobs?

>>34757582
Ask your barber what he thinks would look good on you, that's what I did

>know girl
>recently broke up with her longterm boyfriend
>she has started hugging me (at least once a day)
>NEVER did this prior
>she always initiates them
>says I give really good hugs
>we've had a handful of really long intricate text conversations
>today she was talking about her trying to date (she's done some hookups) and we were talking about how hard it is to meet people ,and she said maybe you should come hang out at the house and i told her i might have to take her up on that

issue: we work together, have for a long time, i've always had a crush on her but I'm not sure what this is. if she's just being friendly or if something developed with that first hug.

>>34726610
>>34727509
Alright since these posts, we've hung out a few more times and a few things that stuck out
>remembered something about me I completely forgot
>fed me, and not as in made me a meal, fed me
>randomly told me about the semi openess of her relationship
Last one she all but spelled it out literally that she wants to hook up with someone if it won't affect her partner, and now I'm pretty much absolutely convinced she wants to mess around, there's no way you just start talking about that with someone that's not even remotely related right? So now what I gotta do is keep is casual, don't get eager and let her open the door

>>34764573
Oh I forgot it’s just one at a time until you’re comfortable with each other. You’ll probably be laying down with her making out so your other arm will be around her supporting your weight. If you’re standing the other will be around her or in her hair.

>>34762513
I mean, he has a point

>>34763293
Brother I haven’t even seriously tried, ever

>>34765296
Anon it never is supposed to be easy. The 14 year old wannabe gangster shit you see on this site and Reddit you need to throw in the trash. Besides women who believe in that behavior would easily land you in a divorce. The right one will look through every embarassing detail about yourself as you will for her.

>installed hinge a week ago
>got 3 likes from fatties or SEA monkey
does it take time to get good matches or are my pics bad? The likes i sent didn't turn into matches yet and i didn't match the three that liked me.

>Went on a date with indonesian girl from app
>not as cute as her pics are
>Engrish is iffy
>plans to go back to SEA in a year or so
Welp, was a nice try at least.

>>34762506
I can tell this is good advice because of how gay it sounds.

>>34763001
I kinda second this. I dropped 30lbs, dress well, have a good hairstyle and beard for my face, I even got Lasik.

For all of my dating attempts in the last two years the foids haven't been worth it.
Seems that I have the best success when I actively mistreat them. Always thought negging was a meme but genuinely ignoring or insulting women has made them more inclined to pursue me rather than being a genuine decent person interested in them and trying to make them laugh.

>>34762923
>replying to z*ch
NGMI

>>34765670
Pics probably bad. Or you haven’t looksmaxxed.

>>34764730
She wants to date you. Do it.

>>34765670
You will never be able to get your looksmatch on dating apps, and will always be "dating down" with the matches you get, just bc the dating app landscape inherently favors women to an insane degree.
So you shouldn't consider your dating app matches as a true representation of what your "league" is.
That said, if you are truly only getting likes from fatties or very ugly women, you are probably either below average looking (or average at best), or your pics are bad.
Although 1 week could be too early to tell, depending on how many likes you are sending out. I'd say 1 quality match for every 50-100 profiles you like is generally pretty typical for an average to slightly above average looking guy.

>>34766169
>I'd say 1 quality match for every 50-100 profiles you like is generally pretty typical for an average to slightly above average looking guy.
Jesus fuck the absolute state of guys who refuse to looksmaxx. I match on about half of the likes I send out.

>>34766073
hmm... I have a simple selfie (smiling with teeth) with greenery in the background, one im surfing, one in the gym (selfie again), one me climbing a mountain, one in the water next to my SUP and another one me walking away on the mountain top.

>>34766169
The sample size is rather small for a week, thats true. I see dating apps more as a supplementary tool to cold approach which i also need to start to do.

>>34766284
Those sound like good photos. Have you looksmaxxed?

>>34766191
If you match with half of your likes, you are a genetic giga-chad, and a normal guy would never get your results even with infinite looksmaxing.
I'm literally a 90th percentile physique 12% BF bodybuilder with an average-ish face and 1 per 50 is about my batting average.

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I’ve been seeing a girl I met online for about 6 weeks now. It was easy to talk to her at the start because we mostly talked about relationship compatibility, values, future career, marriage, and family goals, children, etc. so there were a lot of topics we could delve into. But now that we’ve gotten to know each other pretty well, it feels much harder to come up with things to talk about. Idk everything about her yet, but we’ve gotten to a point where I feel like it would be weird to still be asking “getting-to-know-you” style questions.
Lately, we mostly just ask each other about our days/weekends, what our plans are, about work/school, or maybe talk a bit about one of the few games we both play. And our communication has slowed down to only texting a few times per week. I don’t think it’s that she’s losing interest because anytime I reach out, she still usually responds instantly, and she seems warm and engaged, not dry, and keeps the convo going. And if I go long enough without texting her, she’ll even initiate herself sometimes. But it feels like we’re losing momentum and our convos are getting repetitive.
Also, even though we met on a dating app and are clearly talking to each other with the intent to date, the actual nature of our convos feels very platonic/non-flirty. And it feels like we should be closer emotionally than we actually are right now, given how long we’ve been talking.
I guess I’m just looking for advice on how to navigate transitioning out of the early talking stage and escalating romantically. Cuz I’ve never really done it like this before.

>>34766770
I’m not even close to a gigachad. Having an average face is a choice. I also have great prompts.

Given recent /htgwg/ developments, if a woman is talking to two men at once, which of the two men is the cuckold in this dynamic?

>>34767084
Both. My personal policy is that if a girl hasn’t deleted all social media and dating apps and blocked all men in her phone 10 minutes after I meet her, I stop engaging. I’m considering decreasing this windows to 5 minutes though.

>>34767256
If both men are cuckolds, then where is the bull?

>>34767281
They are not cuckolds while they are fucking, but the moment they cum, they become cuckolds again. It's the dilemma.

>>34766068
Foxy one of these days Mangle is gonna have high expectations of you being this generous guy and when you go on a date because you took Andrew Tate advice you're gonna fuck it up.

>>34767256
i kneel

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>be banging one girl
>hit up some Filipina on dating site
>she's responding to me every 2 minutes
>single mom so she'd just be a fuck toy but still has thicc ass
>video chat
>she sees beard (not in my pfp)
>says she doesn't want to meet up til I shave it
>tell her I'll shave in a few weeks
>she says she'll wait a few weeks
>I wait a few days then text her saying we ought to just meet anyway
>she agrees
>meet at buffalo wild wings (her idea)
>don't end up kissing
>she thanks me for date
>ask her out again, she leaves me on Opened on Snapchat
>unmatches me on app
>been about a week now
>finished event I needed the beard for (viking LARP)
>now I'm thinking of shaving
>other girl I've been fucking has hinted she would like me to shave it
>thinking of giving one last try at the flip so I can delete her if she doesn't reply and move on
Should I message her saying I shaved? On one hand it's really beta, on the other hand if she doesn't reply then I don't have to shave and I can delete her. I cannot believe she actually has a beard being a deal breaker, it's just a dumb shit test but maybe it isn't who knows. She seemed so interested til she saw me with the beard....

On the other hand, if I just send her a snap pic of my face without the beard, she will get the idea without me having to explicitly say "hey I submitted to your bullshit demands like a cuck"
But then I'd also have to actually shave and gamble it being dumb.
I still feel like I should but I spent 3 months growing this shitty beard and my hairline will probably start receding soon.

>>34768233
>On one hand it's really beta,
If you're planning on deleting if no reply, then who cares? Just send a "The beard's finally gone. My place or yours?" or whatever, what's the harm

>first match in a month
>2 messages each
>ghosted
at this rate I'll get a gf in 5 years

gotta making conversations with women irl somehow...

>>34768244
I figure if I send the pic of me clean shaven and say "whatsup" it doesn't look as much like I'm trying to gratify her. It feels "smoother." that way. That's basically the crux of the issue.

Maybe you're right though and it doesn't matter.

I'm so incredibly ugly it's painful no woman has ever showed interested in me and when I see my photos of myself I'm beyond disgusted yet somehow I have an incredible social life literally 40 girls who are literal model tier that I hang out with daily. I have no money I'm just funny and fun. If I was a 4/10 I would be killing it yet I'm the most disgusting 2/10

>>34766959
What are your prompts?

2 approaches out of some others over the weekend:
2 hot blondes walking around taking pictures of each other
opener:
>hey can you help me figure out what to do with my nephews tomorrow
>talk about that a little, make eye contact quite a bit. one is warm and kinda sweet, the other is cold and giving me a weird stare
>talk about taking pictures, ad lib myself into talk about taking pictures of ghosts
>ask if one of them is clairvoyant
>say they should've brought a digital camera
>completely blank on how I should even proceed, they're not asking me any questions, trying my hardest not to make it an interview, see no opening for touching, breaking the ice more, anything, it's very cold
>tell them about a time I explored an abandoned house with a girl
>one asked if I had pics so that seemed ok
>say let's go hunt some ghosts, follow me
>ehh its ok
>ok well lets do it later, lets exchange contacts
>yeah its ok bye
I got too desperate at the end there.
They're not exactly the type of girl I pull, but I have gotten some beautiful women, but there was a momentum and energy I was missing here for sure, and I don't think they really found me attractive at all. just a few weeks ago I was having a pretty high energy talk with a couple beautiful blondes just like them, and one of them was eye fucking me, we shard a cigarette, and play fought, but I didn't ask for any contact.

>>34763225
>It's hard to accept
if that was true it would be more of a cope than a hard truth though

>>34768686
You're the opposite of me. I'm like 7/10 without any looksmaxxing, could be higher if i cared. But i have no personality and no social life.

>>34768896
i admit, it is a cope.

>>34768686
How do you get them to hang out with you? How do you get to be funny and fun?

Well foids are still refusing to make eye contact with me so how do I make a move? Also the only attractive foids I see these days are in the drive thru windows.

Can I just ask a fat girl if she wants to lose weight together? We can have sex if we both make it.

>>34769087
Genetics. You can't learn it.

>>34769255
Yet he says he's ugly, so obviously it can't be that.

>>34769234
You'd probably never get away with being that direct. You'd have to play the long game. Ask her out, pretend like you're interested in her as she is right now for a while, and then subtly plant seeds about working out, dieting, or going on a "health journey" together. It's also risky, depending on just how fat she is, because being very fat distorts all of your features and makes you look like a completely different person. So you may not even find her face attractive after she loses weight.

>>34769278
You can't learn to be funny. Every comedian says this. You either are or you aren't.

There HAS to be a way to leverage my good looks, riding the bus all the time, and the fact I'm constantly catching girls checking me out if not outright smiling. Enough of this "two good-looking people show mutual attraction, say nothing, then part ways to never cross paths again" crap.

It might just be psychological, but I'm pretty sure I can sense physical attraction, there's a certain tightness and electricity in the air.

Before anyone says "oh that's just you hoping that person is into you", no, because I can distinguish the times when I find someone super hot but I'm not sensing any kind of heat coming from them.

What do you guys think? Is this a real instinct that can be honed and utilized? I'm not talking about noticing signs through a conversation and hangout, I'm talking pure physical attraction from a stranger solely through body language, the dissemination of pheromones and other sexual chemicals in the air, and a psychic (call it psychology or mental thought) sensation mostly communicated subconsciously.

Where it's most useful is when the girl is trying not to look at you despite being attracted, so the only way to tell is through this sixth sense.

>>34769365
You can tell by body language.

>>34769371
Well, there are some girls who try not to look at a guy they're attracted to more than the initial glance, yet sometimes I feel like I'm sensing some sort of heat of attraction coming from them -- point being, without the glances, I must be sensing something other than body language, unless you're suggesting I'm picking up other subconscious nonverbal cues, like a certain leaning of the body, tightening of the limbs, deliberate self-conscious movement, calculated spacing, etc etc. I don't know, I feel like what I'm sensing must be coming from a different source, something on the chemical, psychological, and psychic level.

But again it may just be in my head and wishful thinking.

>>34768901
literally me, except I have gynophobia
fuck my life

>>34769295
I did just by observing funny people. I could never be a comedian though, maybe that’s what they meant.

>>34769397
No that’s all real. Well some of it is. The body sends and receives tons of nonverbal cues when talking to people. You’re only capable of thinking about a few of them consciously. Check out a body language book.

I've got a female friend that I've been speaking with online for the past few months, there was a period where we did like each other and possibly could have dated, but she was also speaking with someone else and they made a move on her. After that I think any romantic feelings kinda fell away from both of us so we've still just talked as friends. She has since broken up with this other guy since about a month ago. The other day out of the blue she asked me if I like when she texts me a lot, to which I replied yes, and then she brought up how I'm never really the one reaching out to her first and it's always her reaching out first. I've since taken a note of reaching out more often, but I'm not sure how to interpret her bringing that up? Was there some sort of deeper thing behind it?

How do I flirt good??

How do I start a conversation with my crush at work
I'm too shy and pathetic. Plus she wears a ring on her left ring finger so in all likelihood she's probably married

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>>34757398
first you need a fresh mouth, hair and smile

>>34757398
>>34757454
y'all know you can just try just a little with your looks and then just have a good personality, right? like that's all you need

>>34769508
say something funny right now

>>34769630
You have to be willing to take risks.

almost 5 o'clock, get you're asses in the streets. It's pickup hour

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>ghosted three times this summer
my life is a fucking joke
>guy from a class whom i haven't spoken to in months hits me up to play vidya
sweet

>>34761289
Please respond.

>went to school
>no girls ever attracted to me
>made fun of by women as a loser beta
>went to university
>no girls ever attracted to me
>girls didn't acknowledge my existence
>got part time jobs in summers
>no girls ever attracted to me
>got a full time job
>no women ever attracted to me
>moved to a big city
>no women ever attracted to me
>made online dating profiles
>no matches
>just went outside
>no women ever attracted to me
>regularly gone to gym for over 10 years and have squatted over 4 plate
>no women ever attracted to me
>now in my 30s
>no women ever attracted to me
>go on multiple holidays abroad
>no women ever attracted to me

Ok. Now what?

I am treated like total subhuman disposable shit that people want to get away from as soon as possible by everyone of every gender in every context and am too ugly to ever have any social life or get a girlfriend, or even get a date, or be taken seriously at work.

The black pill was right and I am a subhuman locked out of all social relations or anything depending on them.

>>34761289
>>34770185
Movie -> arm around -> turn toward -> eye contact, smile, kiss

haven't you done this before?

>>34770257
Sorry, anon, wish I could loan you my 8.5/10 face for the week. Anyway, I said this the last time you posted this: men like you are supposed to chase fortune and status, that's how you get the women.

>Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman
When a guy is muscular do women feel like they don't have a chance with him?
I was told (by other men) that my physique is "intimidating" to women.
Is this true?

I would ask women this question but i'm convinced that they would lie.

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>>34770257
i'm sorry to hear that anon. blame god for forbidding you from having a social life that you absolutely deserve after so long
all i can advise is to not give up. when you give up, you let god win again in the end
perhaps look into what you might be doing wrong and improve

>>34757398
My girlfriend does nothing but work and watch cat memes, this isn't that big a deal, except she wants to chat constantly. Its getting difficult for me to carry conversations on my own as she has very little day to day experiences to share and add to conversations. Anyone have experience with this? Sometimes it feels like I have to pack my day with activities just to have things to say to her.

>>34770326
Just ramble about someone bullshit tv show you watched or something else and keep asking her what she thinks about it. Yes its stupid and retarded but bitches are stupid and retarded.

>>34770350
>ask her what she thinks about it
Unironically her answer is usually "if you like it I will like it too" or something along those lines. I enjoy reading but if I describe a book to her she just goes "wow" it's sweet that she just goes along with whatever I say, but it leaves little room for conversation

>korean friend (female) teasing me about being into asians
what does this mean?

>>34770366
>she just goes "wow"
Yeah its not meant to be a conversation its just so she feels like you care about her by telling her things and asking her non-questions. She clearly is either retarded or an air-head with no personality.

>>34770378
Alright ill just start blasting her ass with stream of consciousness commentary about Yukio Mishima's Temple of the Golden Pavillion and she can clap like a seal

This is our personality as the inkwells that will make women feel comfortable around us, it's like Kurt Cobain. Let's look at ourselves as outcast who go through our moments who should try our best to be laid back despite it all. Done, I saved you thousands of dollars on useless PUA crap.

>all my matches stop replying at the exact same time
Yeah... but there's no foid conspiracy to play with my feelings and drive me to suicide.... sure...

>>34770326
Wrong thread for this.

>>34770534
another act of god to drive you to suicide*

>foid 1 had a boyfriend the whole time
>foid 2 i was about to ask out softlaunched
I'm unironically this close to hopping on test and I don't even care about the gains or dating, I just need to feel something that doesn't rely on having a second party

>>34770690
What about sexy beach girl foid 3?
>foid 3 you met at a beach saying, "Dude technology is taking over the world man."

>>34769866
Okay. More than 350,000 women are raped every year.

>>34770260
Do you pause the movie before you do this? While kissing? Just leave it on?
>haven't you done this before?
No. Only had one other (home) movie date and we had sex before starting the movie. We talked on the couch for about 15 minutes after she came over then went at it. The movie was just a thinly veiled excuse to fug though. I fingered her on the third date and she said “let’s start here next time.”

This time I’m not so sure if we’ll have sex but we’ll at least make out.

>>34770770
The fell for it again award if it was a person

>>34770800
*if it was a gender

>>34761049
>who told you getting a gf will be easy?
Every single normie that I’ve seen effortlessly fall into relationships. You guys are making this way too complicated. You don’t need half of this shit to get a gf.

>>34770787
>Do you pause the movie before you do this?
no

>While kissing?
no

>Just leave it on?
you can pause or turn it off if the clothes start coming off, or you can just leave it on, either/or

>>34770800
>>34770805
Even though your delivery sucked, fucking kek.

>>34770825
But we’re watching fucking Peter Pan. It’s gonna be weird to be making out and listening to SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34770952
>he can fly!

>>34770654
God gave foids free will.

You all never blame women for why you are single or a virgin. Just never do it. Women are beautiful angels in this world and we just need to see that for what it is even if everything is difficult.

>>34771082
Why are bluepillers so obsessed with this idea of blame? Whenever sex or whatever is discussed they are extremely anxious to make sure nothing is said that casts women in a bad light. In my opinion, women are the cause of certain men having dating difficulties, e.g women tend not to find men under 5'5 sexually attractive, especially compared to taller men. Assigning blame is a moral matter, quite distinct from the causes of things.

>>34771257
You're digging yourself in a hole anon.

>>34771257
He’s a schizophrenic simp. Don’t (You) him.

>>34771265
Whether one "blames" women for e.g height preferences is a different question from whether they do indeed have such preferences. Like all desires, they are involuntary.

And I'm a white-piller not a blue-piller. Reddit moderation wouldn't argue with me if I was a blue-piller.

>34771275
NPC.

>>34771257
You only blame women because you're afraid of chad.

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How do I avoid the height doompill when every woman I end up interested in turns out to have a boyfriend significantly taller than me (I'm 5'5" in my late 20s)

>>34771490
Go for broke and hit on the tallest women you can find. At least your children can avoid your fate.

>>34771490
Anon I am 6'4" and you see how much of a basedjak I come off to people? Your height doesn't mean anything. I've seen short people all throughout my life score hot girlfriends. I kind of wish I was your height too because I at least would have been a good skateboarder that I dreamed of being.

what are you supposed to do at like a bar alone? never been to one. do i just sit alone somewhere and drink

>>34771528
Enjoy your drink and have a pleasant conversation with the bartender. Added get out of cities. Cities have the least personable behavior towards people. You're see as part of a collective population in cities instead of treating like an individual. Small cities and small towns are where it is at because the people there treat you like family. Cities shop-owners think what if this guy is going harm me if it is conservative and liberal it is something gay like go check out our phone app to get all the information.

>>34771490
Don't go for women who have boyfriends obviously.

if a girl coworker keeps on talking about other guys (both of work and outside) to me does that mean she's taunting me, rejecting me or what?

>>34771963
Could be either but most likely she's not interested in you.

>>34771975
what if she initiates conversations though, if she isn't interested shouldn't she just fuck off and leave me alone?

>>34772003
She sees you as a friend?

>>34772007
what a fucking waste of time

>>34772008
People have non-sexual social needs too. And it's easier to talk with your non-crush than your crush, ya feel?

>>34771257
Same with men over 6’2

>>34772011
I hate women.

never give fat girls a chance. they are more rotten than normal girls