there is still so much guilt inside of me for leaving my gf many months ago. She didn't do anything wrong, she was just too simple and had the mind complexity of a 12yo. Kindest women ever though.

>>34799969
is she still single? message her

>>34799972
there was an ugly cycle of emotions I don't want to return to.
>not thinking and just being with her
>experiencing myself through her, not experiencing her at all
>finally get triggered by seeing another couple who both think on the same level
>inner turmoil that ate at me

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>>34799949
I'm gonna post this again in this new thread because I want to see other perspectives. >>34796774
"So, I'm 31 one years old. I've hung out with girls, I've kissed them but not in the mouth, I've hugged them, I've had conversations with them, I've been friends with them, I've spent time with them at school and college.

But because I spent years focused on getting a career and finding out what I wanted to do with my life, I haven't had any experience deeper than this. I also don't have any social contacts other than my cousins and my brother. I'm finding events to go to, and people there are always receptive towards me.

And with girls they always had boyfriends, or I eventually would end up disliking them. Friends too, sometimes I would end up disliking some friends.

But this year everything I've set my mind to, I've succeeded at. So I'm trying to socialize and talk to women, just for the experience and to make friends.

My question is, what would be the best and most efficient course of action for somebody like me, to gain friends that I like, meet girls and have relationships before the year is over?

Picture of the cat from the bar across the street from my apartment."

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>>34800035
I'm going to add my reply to the other anon's plan for me here too.

>>34799955
That sounds like a great plan. I do have standards, and I do have quite a lot of thoughts on the type of girls I like.

Honestly I'll follow this plan. I've been taking pictures at the gym, next I'll take pictures where I'm at events. There's one in the city next to mine this Saturday.

My problem is time. I'm afraid of how long it can take. I don't know how fast I can get to a date a week. I want at least before September ends. Do you think its doable?

Also how do I meet girls in restaurants? I don't know how to approach them, to me restaurants are places you go with company or when you want to be alone? I love eating and I've been on a diet that made me lose 7 kilos in 4 months, that's gonna end soon, so I want to start going out to eat.

Unironically the best hack is to imagine every woman is trans.

>>34800076
Wrong, transsexuals are way too easy and forward for that to work.

>>34800076
usually I have to pretend females are actually females, and not trans. A lot of them have that look

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Out of all the people posting in these threads saying that approaching women is too dangerous, how many of you have actually faced any punishment for talking to a woman?
Have you or anyone you know had to talk to the police, or gotten fired, or been kicked out of a business?
Or do you have to admit you get that idea entirely from what you read online?

>>34800079
They're all a bit needy and desperate. But if they are pretty and "passing" they will be as ego driven as any other woman.

>>34800096
That's obviously a rhetorical question.

>>34800286
I think if they are good looking they are more ego driven.

>>34799910 #
That's a mystery and a first for me on this particular sequence.
First kiss was very passionate (1st date), and that's always a good signal for me.
I lay the foundation of a second/third date cooking at mine.
Related to your question I had her bumble and moved to Instagram and communication was exclusively there.
Second date (she's already up to coming to mine to try my cooking skills and we do that), third date (next weekend) she comes again to my place which takes her 1:20' one way.
So yeah, more questions than answers left here. She literally stopped replying 24 hour laters after our 3rd date (and she replied when she got home that night, so next day she never wrote back).
Anyway, Muslims are weird (Romanian she didn't looked Muslim tho).
In the end nothing of value was lost, I'm just surprised a 30yo lady would do that, versus a zoomette especially after coming to fuck twice (and she enjoyed it lmao).

And on the girls follow up questions, I don't remember kept a count up to the first 50s when I was like 24 in a journal. I'm 35 now kek, and don't count then anymore. Maybe countries, I got plenty of flags.

>>34800330
Do you write down their names? Remember their names?

>>34800338
Yes, I did. Name and age on the journal and I kept the country too. And a small story of how I did the pick up. I guess I remember most of them if I put the effort, there's a lot of ONSs that are not even relevant or good. Heck I got a Bangladesh flag. And yeah, shouldn't had banged that fat black bitch. But she made it too easy (hostel shower bang for that one, and a ONS indeed, was in Melbourne).

As far as remembering women, I always think on this silly concept of the latest foid. Like you want that past nostalgia and you compare it with the new foid. Ending up in a never ending circle spiral looking for the next thing.
Few foids are truly special, but I related to the anon above saying some can be the kindest (and most retarded) creatures out there.

>>34800359
Why did you stop with the journal? Sounds interesting, I'd do the same, too. And yeah, they're the sweetest, cutest and hardest to deal with things ever. Unless you're willing to take care of them in some way, you'll hate them.

You should tell us how you would do the pickups.

>>34799949
So I'm reading How to Meet Friends and Influence people and I've been really enjoying it. What other books do you all recommend?

>>34800366
I started with thr Mystery method back then. Fake it till you make it. But I'm an attractive chadlite. So basically I just learnt to be more extroverted and charismatic to fully lean on my physical qualities. It usually works well. And girls also like that confidence, experience, etc.
Now I just do online game. I don't go clubbing anymore/ running night game

>>34800385
I guess I gotta get the Mystery Method then. I saw pictures of him with the big Jamiroquai hat, I thought he looked ridiculous but I guess he knows what he's talking about.

So it's all just experience, basically? Talk to women, and people in general, till you can do that naturally and organically? I can do that.

>>34800393
Bro, MM is outdated for current dating scenario. I don't follow any PUAs now, if you like what I did enjoy back then was Ross Jeffries (strong on pyschology, NLP patterns, anchoring and rapport/comfy), and the RSD guys for reducing approach anxiety/scripted game.
And then you don't need them anymore and you're aware of most game patterns and angles.
Maybe some of the zoomers can tell you what's relevant nowadays (never look at female PUAs they are all bullshiting as far as pick up goes, maybe and i say maybe, they can work for relationships, but i doubt it)

>>34800408
I like Todd Valentine, I like how he makes stuff focusing on actually liking the women and becoming a better man. He comes from a very humble and realistic point of view.

I've also heard of Ross Jeffries, is he still relevant?

>>34800430
I doubt it, I watched these guys 10 years back. And now it's all about online gaming (as long as you're attractive, else you'll have better odds doing good day/night cold approaches).
And online game, is more about numbers and resilience on our end.

>>34800508
So, how is online gaming? I know Todd has a whole course thing or whatever focused on text game that I downloaded, I'm really interested in it because I like online dating because there's a better spread of hot women.

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>>34800535
Crap my bro, but sometimes you get big chested women interested in you, so I'll take her invitation and will try to meet up this Sunday afternoon.
Hope it goes well

>>34800773
Well, that's nice for you. So its just texting and having good social media?

>>34800792
Nah, here is purely a bumble conversation so far, and I took her suggestion to meet this Sunday afternoon, and currently asked for her number (WhatsApp), so waiting on a reply.
I'm avoiding moving to Instagram on purpose (don't wanna scare the ho's)

>>34800823
What's wrong with instagram? And how do you do the conversation by text? I even have had matches before but the women eventually ghost you and leave you on read.

>>34800890
Nothing wrong with Instagram, I'm just avoiding it, in case she gets freaked out because I have more foids than dudes there. It wouldn't be my first going away just because of that. And yes, I did my culling and trimmed the ratio.
For texting keep it simple and my preference is to try to at least move to a phone/social network and already set the logistics for meeting up (there was an autistic dude that was okay meeting up in person via the dating apps only, but I find it impractical and very flaky like).
You need to plan a date and move towards that goal.
Openers (profile oriented if possible, some simple message exchange and try to set a date. The longer you take the colder she gets.
I'm still waiting on the foid number here, she could even ghost lmao. It's part of the game

>>34800890
Just like >>34801025 said. React on a pic or prompt (if on hinge send it with your like) have a small chit chat and then ask for a date. I did that after 7 messages. If she says yes, try to set a date (not too far in the future) and move to IG/WhatsApp to make it more personal. Keep the texting light (0-2 msgs per day) and in the morning of the date send a msg like "im looking forward to seeing you".

I’ve found out this year that not only am I very attractive to 19-20 year old girls, but they think I’m their age before they learn my real age, which is 32. How do I use this to my advantage? I usually use apps but I’m sure the vast majority of them wouldn’t have their age filters set this high.
>>34800491
Thanks

>>34800035
>>34800060
Go to bars and clubs every weekend

numbers i got this summer ghosted me, so hitting up hs friend who seemed interested in me

I promised myself I won't go back to dating apps because they're a money drain and I haven't gotten a single date and only one conversation over a year of swiping, but what's the alternative?

>singles Facebook groups
People there are all at least a decade older, most around my parents' age.
>speed dating
Groups for my age range are always full.
>not strictly dating like school/work/hobbies
Women are always taken.
>bars/clubs
I don't drink and I can't stand loud noises. Also a kind of woman I prefer wouldn't be found at such establishment.

>>34801388
try meeting women on Discord

>>34801414
I did that. Dating servers are like 90% and also they skew too young. Most people are 20 or under and I'm in my mid twenties.

>>34801424
*90% male

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>>34801424
bruh you're only mid twenties, it's not like you're a 40 year old unc trying to hit on these zoomettes, you're only like 4 or 5 years apart from them. Mid twenties for men is the ideal age for women and you can play video games or talk about anime with these introverted foids who are also in your age bracket. zoomers are so weird with age baka.

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>>34801348
>>34800359
>>34801348
>>34799955
So I have a story to tell. I'm the 31 year old confident virgin from this post>>34800035

I talked to a girl today and got her instagram at the gym, where judging by reddit, its a place where a lot of people don't want to talk.

So last time I went there, I noticed a young girl, which is unusual because at my gym its mostly old women. She was a asian-looking girl, very, very fit. But what I noticed about her is that she had this big bright colored headset.

I didn't approach her, not just because I never wanted to approach girls at the gym in case something goes wrong and it makes going to the gym lame, but because at the gym everybody is busy or with somebody.

Well, thanks to everyone who replied to me lately on this board, the readings I've been doing on the internet, videos I've seen of Todd Valentine and this reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1vgyuc7/women_actually_love_introverts_if_you_do_this/), I realized that I need to talk to women, not even to date them, just to talk and get experience. This changed my mindset a bit.

I went to the gym today, and saw her again. But I didn't want to approach for the same past reasons. But I've been praying for a social life and to hang out with girls, including to my patron saint, Saint Jude Thaddeus, and a blessing straight from the sky came.

I was sitting at the lat pulldown machine, and this one had a lower part below the bench to do a different exercise, and the triangle bar was attached to it. I didn't think about it. But when this girl came, she was walking around. I noticed that, then I noticed she was walking around a lot, and then I noticed she was looking for something, and then I looked back and noticed and couldn't fucking believe that she was looking for the triangle bar sitting right between my legs below me.

I turned around, said hey, snapped my fingers and asked her if this is what she was looking for and she came over and said yes 1/2.

>>34801449
They're all probably playing roblox or fornite or valorant or some other cringe shit the youngsters play these days. Besides I couldn't date someone who's the same age as my sister.

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>>34801456
2/2, I basically used giving her that as the opener to speak to her. I asked her about the headset, she told me it was a gift, I talked to her about the big phillips headset I bought a few months ago I use for my PC. I talked to her about why I didn't see her at the gym before. I got her name, I asked her age and when I told her mine she said I looked 25 even though I'm 31. We talked more.

But the coup de grace came when I asked her if she was Japanese. This is in Brazil so this isn't a unusual question. She said her grandfather was Japanese. I asked if that was only her half of the family that was Japanese, she said yeah.

But since the last weekend I've been looking up jokes from my favorite comedians. I've always liked comedy, stand-up comedy and Opie & Anthony helped me learn English when I was a teenager, I've even thought about doing it at one point. I've been writing the jokes down and adapting them and translating them so I can tell them to people.

Well, when she mentioned her family I just naturally flowed into this classic Norm joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_0q_CXl41s

But instead of Polish, it was about Spaniards and me ordering a tortilla, since my family is from Spain. When I told her she just went "Oh!" with this funny shocked face, but she thought about it while I was grinning trying not to laugh and she realized it was a joke and giggled and told me it was a good one.

I thanked her for talking to me when we finished and I went on to work out. When it was time for me to leave, I found her again and we shook hands and I told her I would hug her but I was all sweaty and she laughed. In fact, she kept smiling a lot while we spoke. But we exchanged instagrams though unfortunately I didn't write down her username. But its nice because that means next time I see her I have a reason to talk to her again. 2/3

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>>34801479
Pretty much what I wanna say is:
Don't be afraid or scared. Fear makes everything seem harder, worse and bigger and more complicated than it actually is.

And WOMEN ARE EASY, JUST TALK TO THEM.

Should be said I also learned that you should talk to people even if platonically. This girl, who I found out wants to be a firefighter, I didn't intend on dating her or having sex with her. The biggest reason I noticed her was her bright white headset that I thought made her look cute. I feel this might have made this easier.

>>34801491
Also above average women are easy to talk to because most men don't, because they are afraid.

>>34801458
>They're all probably playing roblox or fornite or valorant or some other cringe shit the youngsters play these days.
talk to more people, tons of chicks like story driven games like baldur's gate, danganronpa etc

>>34801527
baldurs gate 3 obviously

What should I do?
Where do I find girls to talk to?
I frequently visit a grocery store fairly often for the past few years and now barely started talking to the staff recently
This store as of recently became sorta of my third space I sorta just go inside walk around buy a drink and sit outside for a few minutes then go home.
Is it a good idea to try to talk to a women my age in the store or should I leave them alone and let them do their job

>>34801549
If you think you're going to pick up women by cold approaching in the grocery store you're a completely lost cause, that's hard even for socially extroverted people. People don't like hanging out in groceries they want to get their weekly shopping done as fast as possible. Workers also don't like getting hit on and its not going to go well. You'll probably get banned from the store because women will complain there's some weird guy who tries to talk to them.
>sit outside for a few minutes then go home.
you sit outside the grocery store? that's what homeless bums do. find a cafe or bar if you're that desperate to go somewhere where there's people who might be open to being talked to, nobody hangs out at the grocery store jfc.

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34801661
she expected Chad to hit on her.
if a sub 5 hits on her she's disgusted and she might even call the cops

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>hooking up on a first date
>start taking a little control, pull her in, push my tongue in deeper
>shes clearly loving it, keep going
>start biting her lip, placing my hands around her neck
>she moans and goosebumps
>squeeze her neck with some mild force
>’uohhh you’re killing me~~~, whys this so hottt?’
>date ends a bit after, she hasn’t stopped texting me since, already giving me cutesy names and shit
Was it this simple the whole time?
It dawned on me, its not even ‘abuse’ its like ‘taking ownership’ that they love.
‘Nice guy’ is code for ‘coward’ or ‘weakling’. It seems so obvious now.
Tbh, I’d rather be a big cuddler and lovey-dovey type, but maybe that comes after you manhandle a bit.
Can’t tell if I finally understand a primordial truth, or just found a freaky chick with a big rack.

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these generals suck now, not that they were ever that great but every single fucking thread is:
>40% bitching about some gay drama with their BPD ex
>30% armchair PUA redditors theorizing and giving each other advice on shit that either doesn't matter or never happened
>20% trolls spreading disinformation
>10% retards asking if some girl standing near them for 3 seconds meant she totally wanted to fuck then and there

You want to "Get Women"?
Get off the fucking computer and go outside where the women are at.

>>34801661
cognitive distortion

>>34801781
trvke

>>34800060
>Also how do I meet girls in restaurants? I don't know how to approach them,
best way to do it is to first, be delusional no matter what happens say to yourself that girl loves me, she wants me and you just go up to her with that attitude
and you ask her a simple question like oh that dish looked great how was it, or that outfit looks great on you by the way
while walking back to your seat from the restroom etc

then you just talk to them for like a few minutes 1-2 and say hey im heading back to my seat but let's exchange instagrams
worse that can happen is they are rude or say no
which is really no big deal because remember she loves you

>>34801693
They don't like nice guys only because "nice guys" treat them that way in the expectation of sex. Got nothing to do with lovey-dovey sex or what, its got to do with entitlement.

>>34801849
Makes sense, that's how I got the girl's instagram today at the gym.

>>34801781
>now
You seem to be claiming it ever didn't suck.

>>34800060
>Also how do I meet girls in restaurants?
Don't talk to people sitting at tables. Tables are private spaces. Bars are public spaces. If someone is at a bar, you can go talk to them. If they are at a table they don't want to be talked to.

>>34801872
don't listen to this guy
if you were sitting at a table and ryan gosling was at the next table
and he went up to talk to you
would you mind?
no you wouldn't
in this scenario you are ryan gosling

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>>34801371
we're going out next week. chad desu. hopefully she aged well

>>34801892
I'd imagine I'd only be able to chat up the women that are single at the tables.

>>34799969
>>34800010
Bro you are straight up fucking retarded, more than she ever was
I hope you find that girl on "your level," she guaranteed to make you miserable and maybe you'll realize the gold you cast into the gutter when your search for a diamond yields you nothing but coal.

>>34801960
I find it fairly easy to find obedient women who like me. I know I can find a great women who can speak and express themselves clearly rather than becoming incoherent as soon as ideas go beyond I like this I did that I want this.

That is really what put pressure on my mind. I felt like I was in a deep hole there with someone I couldn't interact with. Like opening my mouth just to know my words wouldn't be appreciated let alone understood.

Despite caring for her, and never wanting to injure her heart, I couldn't be confident in her and I refuse to live my life in a situation that chronically torments me. That's not gold, it's something else.

Maybe a tyrant like yourself would love a someone who does everything to ask, and can't run away from you, and can control totally, but not me.

I'm paying the price for getting involved from day 1 so back off

>>34801984
>I find it fairly easy to find obedient women who like me. I know I can find a great women who can speak and express themselves clearly rather than becoming incoherent as soon as ideas go beyond I like this I did that I want this.
If that were really the case, you wouldn't be sweating this. You'd already be on top of some new girl who was "on your level" and who you could "intellectualize" with
>Maybe a tyrant like yourself would love a someone who does everything to ask, and can't run away from you, and can control totally, but not me.
I'm no tyrant, I'm just straight guy that wants a girlfriend, as opposed to you, who are a faggot that wants a boyfriend with a vagina.

Anyone live in Portland or Vancouver and wanna hangout and meet women? I've got no money but I bring pretty good looks to the table.

why would you want a woman?

>>34802194
TRVTH NVKE

>>34802194
I personally don't, at least not right now. Too much shit going on. Just here to give advice to and laugh at you young bucks

Stop being nonchalant it will kill you and you'll die alone

>>34802237
It is ok to be alone sometimes, sweet child.
A lesson a lot of guys who come to /htgwg/ should also be taking.

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>>34802194
because i've never had one before and i want to experience the unconditional love and company of a female at least once. also because i envy normalfags around me and i was bullied a lot for being alone
>>34802250
most anons who frequent /htgwg/ have been alone for most of their life. it's about time they experience love and company, as they should

>>34802237
No thanks. Being laid back is a good thing.

Be an easygoing guy. Best thing in the world.

>>34802291
just change your personality bro

been on the dating apps for 2 weeks now. 4 matches none of them have responded

>>34802354
take better pictures

i got pretty good pics had a friend take them with his dslr every time we went out... why do women match and then not respond why even match in the first place?

>>34802400
if you have no idea what it's like being bombarded by likes, imagine it a little bit

>>34802404
If every girl liked me I would only choose the hottest or most interesting ones why would I swipe on a girl and then not say anything?

>>34802410
cus you're hot and interesting but - oh shit another 3 messages and I need to shower before bed. Arrggggg I'll reply later. They'll still be there. Repeat that a few times. Then she stopped thinking of you because it's been days

>>34802400
You're in a fishing spot with too many boats.

>>34802400
you're just too ugly then and they gave you a pity swipe

>>34802452
Yeah well explain how Boogie2988 got a wife.

>>34802462
his first wife was also a fat slob.

>>34802452
>they gave you a pity swipe
better than nothing i guess

>first day of work at the rural area supermarket were I live
>cute co-worker smiles at me as we walk by the first time, introduces herself, and later asks if I live around here
>the next day our lunch breaks coincide and she intentionally sits next to me, we chat and somehow it goes super well despite me usually being a social retard
it's been a couple weeks since then and I've failed to actually attempt to get anything going, partly due to not really getting a chance to chat for more than a brief minute. but she still smiles and greets me every day we see each other at work. Would it be better to ask her number or invite her out for some food? I feel like i'm getting served a perfect girl for me on a plate but am potentially on the verge of missing out from putting off asking her out too long. barely browsed this general before btw.

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The past week I've been sending out the maximum limit of likes every day and have been getting no matches.
Yesterday I went out of my way to use all my likes on the fattest single moms I could find. Still no matches.
Either I'm I way uglier than i thought or I think I may be shadowbanned for some reason. I haven't got a lot of matches from likes before but I still got a couple that just went dry.
I looked up why I might be shadowbanned and I have a few reasons
>I got a new phone number and deleted my old account to use the new number but I used the same email address, I don't know if this would trigger some kind of ban evasion
>sending likes without a comment, I've done this a lot when prompts/photos don't inspire anything but apparently it looks like bot behaviour
>holding on to likes, apparently this signals inactivity but I've seen people on reels with 50+ and I only have six (mostly not great).
>changing my filters lot. I did this but I don't know if it triggers a shadowban.
While I was investigating where or not it was a shadowban I got a like. The girl that liked me was a lot better than the women I was sending likes to an getting no matches. I can't really tell what is happening here, can Hinge limit who you can like while letting others like you?

I'm not sure what to do to fix this. I know there is a fresh start feature and I was thinking of trying that with brand new photos to refresh the algorithm but now that I have a new like I think that may be a little weird. I think my current profile kinda sucks and could be better either way.

So am I being shadowbanned or limited or not? Should I still do the fresh start thing and use new photos?

>>34802505
"wanna hangout sometime?"

it's really that simple

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sooooo downsides of talking to lonely women? yeah, that's right, none.

>>34802594
senior citizens?

>>34802518
cycle through fresh pictures every week until you start getting at least a couple matches a day

>>34799949
>match with a girl on Bumble
>good looking corpo chick but deep into spirituality
>she messages me first, I respond
>every next message from her is a voice message
>she sounds like she's sitting in a HR meeting
>keeps talking about reincarnation
>unmatch her
Never thought a guy could get an ick but here we are

>>34802594
Usually it's a waste of time and energy. With rare exceptions.

>>34802716
Sounds like you missed out.

Know you are trying your best despite it all

>>34802699
Would the girl liking me think I am weird if I do that?

>>34802765
if she does she's weird

date with my future wife
damn im so jittery
how to calm down

>>34802805
Drink a lot of alchol

im obsessed with my 40 yo married coworker, shes the nicest person ever, feels like i can never find a zoomer girl like her

>>34802805
You might start with not calling her your future wife. There's a good chance she'll change her mind about your somewhere along the road and you need to be mentally prepared to move on to another person. Of course, she might just be your future wife, but you never know

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>>34799949

How to get escorts to give it up for me for free or get them to become fuck buddies? I have a thing for pornstars and luxury escorts since I was a teenager, I think they're fascinating people and there's this very beautiful one that cosplays and did some porn a few years ago at the big city 2 hours away from me. How do I mack on her so she feels attracted towards me and actually likes me?

There's other escorts I would like to spend time with too, so it would be real useful.

>>34802271
>unconditional love
Romantic relationships, especially fating, are conditional love. For example if you found out your gf fucks old dudes for money it would likely break the conditions for your love. Unconditional love is loving your dog despite him shitting on the carpet, or a mother loving her son son convicted of murder. Marriage is supposed to turn conditional love to unconditional love but that is a contentious topic.
Not saying you are wrong for wanting to experience love, just keep this in mind.

>>34802760
Thank you bro. This one is good as a reminder

>>34803198
There is no such thing as unconditional love, even between parents and children. I'm not saying love is purely transactional, but there is breaking point past which no love can survive

Reminder that if you haven't looksmaxxed, you're not doing /htgwg/ properly, and you have no basis to complain about your results.
1. Decrease your body fat to 15% or less, then do a lean bulk (~300 calorie surplus). Lowering body fat should be done before the bulk as this leans out your face.
2. Get well-fitting clothes that suit you.
3. Go to a hairstylist with good reviews and find a style that suits you. Once you find a good stylist, stick with them so you get reliable results.
4. Consider whitening your teeth. Strips and toothpaste will do a decent job, but your dentist will do even better.
5. Get your teeth straightened at an orthodontist, preferably with invisalign, not braces.
6. Visit a dermatologist to get your facial skin as good as you can.
7. Experiment with facial hair and see what looks best on you.

>>34801388
Looksmaxx and photosmaxx.

>>34802194
I like naked breasts.

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>>34803174
To add on to this:
I've been thinking about my escort and slut taste, and while I think its not good for me, it's something that's more long term and I keep beating myself over it because they're women I don't know how to approach. I gotta get experience first.

I've heard that at the end of the day, they're just women like any other so anything that works on women, will work on them. Is that true? Does that mean "sex workers" (hate the term), you can just treat them like you do any other women and your relationship as a client or sugar daddy wouldn't prevent them from catching feelings, for wanting to spend time with you as lovers or friends?

If so, that's great.

>>34802194
They're beautiful and soft and supple

>>34803438
I don't know why would you want to pick up an escort or sex worker but I'd imagine you'd only have a shot with low levels ones and only if you approach them outside of their platforms

>>34803497
Because I'm fascinated with them. I don't want them to be my girlfriend though, but a friends wit benefits-type relationship. Why you think I'd only be able to get with low level ones? Maybe, but I feel like the expensive ones are better because you can take them out to eat, to hang out with etc. I don't know about outside their platforms though, why you think that is?

If what works on regular women works with them, then its doable. I can wine and dine a girl, I love it, I also love talking to them and with a sexy girl in a intimate setting you can do it dirty and be completely honest. It's liberating. What you think?

>>34803267
No problem.

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>>34803520
Speaking of which, I'm really enjoying How to Meet Friends and Influence People. What would be the dating and getting women equivalent? I feel like most of the dating and PUA books are too self indulgent.

>>34802505
You should chat her up more and then ask for her number.

>>34799949
>dr nerdlove recommended in the sticky
Is his old stuff good or something? Because a lot of his advice seems run counter to a lot of other advice I see, paired with the most Reddit style imaginable. ("looks don't matter, go to therapy to get good with women, bazinga!")

>>34803597
Which advice of his runs counter to other advice?

>>34803174
You need to be attractive for that to happen. Otherwise they will never fuck you for free or see you more than just another client. If you try to pursue something more with them, they will take advantage of you.

>Inb4 someone says "chad doesn't need escorts"
There's plenty of good looking guys who see escorts regularly. Not everyone wants to bother with going on dating apps or picking up girls in public. Also the quality of sex/sex performance of random girls you hook up with is unknown so there's always a chance the sex is terrible. With escorts at least you know the sex is going to be good and they will be able to fulfill your desires.

>>34803601
A lot of his stuff on internal work checks out, but it's mixed in with "looks don't matter, women want to be safe more than they want guys they're attracted to", which is partially true but terrible advice for a lot of the guys writing in. He also tells people to avoid dating apps.

Checking the archives, it seems like he was better in 2015? His recent stuff seems to be more interested in pandering to a certain type of women than actually helping the guys writing in.

>>34803621
I am attractive. I was always good at approaching girls, I got a girl's instagram yesterday.

How do I try to pursue something with them? Do I just treat them like a regular girl but their dates are paid-for?

>>34803632
Hmm, I'll stick to Todd Valentine and more classic writers then.

What's the strat for talking to someone on dating apps? I feel like the just pointing out something in their bio like "oh i like reading too what are your favorite books" never works

>>34799949
I wanna give anons asimple as piece of advice that got me slit.

There was a certain point where I became fed up with dealing with women (in schooling and professional life around early 20s). Not because I was trying to ask them out, but rather I had to deal with them. This led to me concluding they are retarded and inferior in every way. Think, a substantial portion of them have undiagnosed autism, amongst other things... Most of them stop growing mentally around 12 years old.

Therefore, view them as peons, retards, inferiors, and talking to them becomes insanely simple, no more anxiety, even when hitting on them.

This sounds like a no shit "oh I already seem them as retards etc", but, I felt the same, but it almost clicked at some point for me in school beyond the standard hatred toward them. They are just retarded children, and talking to them is nothing to worry about (in terms of being awkward).

An example to frame this better, lets say you are an autist about cars or guns, and you have a non car or gun friend that comes to you for help. This position you are placed in makes you feel objectively superior, and you can even get away a little bit with making shit up to sound smarter than you are. That works at the broader scale with females, that unbridled confidence that comes from viewing them for their true subordinate nature makes them nothing to talk to.

You need to dedicate to seeing them as retarded of course. I was angry at the world and I was in a female dominated field that led to this hardcore conclusion, so it may be difficult for others to get this reaction internally beyond the standard. Perhaps live on female social media for a bit (not thirst trap media necessarily) things like those doing things for attention other than sexually. The cringe and simplistic mind of theirs is evident quite quickly, almost disgustingly so.

Dont become a fag of course, no joke my best buddy went through a similar experience and decided he was out.

>>34803685
What if I like that they are a bit retarded? I'd imagine it would be easier.

Honestly, why go after girls if this is your opinion of them? The retardation is part of the charm.

Ever think you're just not what most women are looking for? Physically I guess I'm ok (idk like 5/10)
But everything I see from women they seem to want travel and "adventures", half of dating profiles say something about "a man with a plan"
I'm very strongly inclined towards solitary interests. I spend most of my time reading, programming, drawing. With people I just want to talk about ideas
I can't tell if some part of this is something I can work on, it mostly feels like this is how I am and I shouldn't pretend to change it, but it's clear nobody is attracted to this

>>34803699
Indeed it is charming, however I started out in life being anxious when talking to them originally. Seeing them as a retard really fixed that for me.

>>34803737
You should go for women that are also analytical.

>>34803741
Well you can't idealize them. But retard is a strong word, they're dumber than men but that's it.

>>34803748
>You should go for women that are also analytical
That's who I'm interested in, but they generally seem to have the same tastes as other women. Maybe even more so

>>34803761
I mean, there are plenty of girls who like drawing. Why don't you get with them?

>>34803772
I meant they seem to have the same taste in men as other women, to be clear
But you're right I have had slightly more success with women who are into art
Maybe none of this is worth thinking about that much idk

>>34803783
Just don't over think it. If you meet just one girl a month, its already better than most.

To the experienced anons:
Should I always be honest with a girl, even if in a extremely gentle way?

>>34803532
Models

>>34803621
Condom sex is not real sex.

>>34803903
Interesting, I haven't read it yet. Is it as good as Dale Carnegie?

Hey everyone. I'm going to post my progress here. I tried to go out and talk to some women, and I am honestly kind of ashamed that I didn't do very well. I'm going to keep it short.

I went to some public places (park, then bookstore, then streets). Everyone just seemed really busy and didn't want to talk. There was no opportunity to say "hi" as obviously everyone was doing their own thing. I respect that, so I'm not mad at that. I just think I could have done so much more. Day game is pretty hard.

I did manage to get one actual convo, but not even any socials as ours was just 2 minutes of talking about what anime we enjoyed. If you can even call it a convo. I did get her name, though, and we did enjoy talking. I might even come back to the store because some stuff seems kind of cool.

Where did I fail? I couldn't strike up convos with random strangers. Which I'm supposed to do, apparently. It all seems unnatural for me, but I'm still not good at it yet. I seriously don't get how you can just say, "Hey, this is so random, but I thought that you're cute, can I get your number?" At random strangers. I see nobody doing that. Do people actually do that, does it work?

Where did I succeed? I overcame my approach anxiety at times and actually talked to some women. I got smiles pretty often, but the convo cut short as she just seemed to not want to talk. I took it as her politely wanting to go back to what she was doing. Not much I can do there, right? I also started complimenting people a few times.

What do I say next time? I can't just ask them boring questions, but I can compliment them more (obviously, as she'd be attractive, that'd be easy). Sorry if it seems obvious. I'm just trying to get out for once and get good at it.

What do you people say when you see a women you're into on the street and get her number or something?

>>34803649
try to be witty with your message. I know it's hard because sometimes there is nothing to play with with either her pics or prompts but just try.

>>34803957
Everyone is busy with their lifes. But just like you said, a simple "Hey, wait a second. I've just seen you and you look cute. Hi, i'm anon" can get you in a conversation. She may say idc or i have a bf or she will start talking to you. At the end (after 1-2mins of convo) just say you'd like to meet her for coffee and ask her for IG/number.

Dont overpush yourself. Relax and be in the mood to talk to strangers to ease your approach anxiety. Your voice and tone matters a lot. She will know that you dont have confidence if you stutter or speak fast.

>>34803827
Absolutely not. Don't lie unless you have to, but some things you're gonna have to take with you to your grave: losing your V-card with her, cheating, experimenting with men, you get the idea

>>34804020
Thanks! I was just kind of happy that I even talked to a woman, it's just that I don't know if they want to be called cute or whatever. Thing is, none of them seemed in the mood at all (stern faces, busy expressions on their faces and movements, in conversation with their friends).

I tried asking for an IG from two girls today, but none of them really wanted to give it. As soon as I heard the hesitation before their words, I knew that it just wasn't happening. I'm not defeated, though, I still want to keep going at it. I'm just taking five before I go back at it. I don't expect to get socials or a number right away anyway.

But say I DO say "Hey, I know it's random but you are cute, I'm Anon, nice to meet you." If she responds well, what should I talk to her about before asking her for an IG/number? How should the whole convo go? Sorry, just want to ask the obvious questions that trip me up while I'm starting out.

Can that help me in night game too?

>>34804060
A simple compliment can turn a serious face into one that smiles.

At the end it is still a numbers game. The more you approach the better. If she declines, either at the start or end of convo, just wish her a good day and move on.

The simplest question is asking what she is currently doing. And dont just ask question after question. If she doesnt ask you back, reply to your own question. This should give you convo for 1-2mins before asking for coffee.

>>34804118
That's true. I remember a few times I've been complimented and it made me smile when I was stern. I know it's a numbers game. I just didn't really know which approach I should take.

Are there any compliments that aren't too strong coming from a stranger? It's not like saying, "Hey, I think your shirt/bag/keychain is cool.", works or something. Thing is, I don't know if calling her cute or hot at first is good coming from a stranger such as myself. Or is it? I can try it if it is.

As for replying to my own question, they seem to be just waiting for the convo to end while smiling politely. That's exactly how it went 90% of the time today, come to think of it. I feel as if she has to be really into the convo to ask her for coffee or something, is that right?

>>34804140
I wouldnt call her hot. Cute is enough. It sets the right tone that you are into her. Asking for coffee makes more sense than starting with "Hey, nice keychains". You also have to look her in the eyes (not starrin) and occasionally look somewhere else. Smile during the conversation and have fun.
The key is showing confidence and practice makes perfect.

>>34804166
Got it. I want to try that next time. I'm going to post about how it goes. I just wanted to know how strong the compliment had to be. The only thing that I can see stopping me now is just being more confident while saying that. I don't want to be nervous saying that.

How do I explain to women that I don't live with my mom - my mom lives with ME? My mom divorced her husband (not my dad) recently and had nowhere to go so I let her move in with me. I don't know how long she realistically will be here, but she has very little money and wouldn't do well trying to rent an apartment by herself so I can see this lasting at least a year or two.
How tf do I explain that I'm 34 years old and my mom lives in my house? Pretty much the only thing that really proves I'm the one supporting is the fact I have the master bedroom and she has a guest bedroom upstairs.
Will women find this to be a massive turn off or will they see me as some fucking provider or something?

>>34804254
Also worth noting this is a 5br 2 story house between just my mom and I so it's not like it's some little 2br apartment where my mother is on the other side of a paper thin wall while I'm fucking a girl.

>>34804254
....You just tell them.
Any woman that has a high interest in you will see it as a plus.

Your shame about this is in your own head

>>34804254
>Nah honey, see I don't live in my mom's basement. I like to think of it like she lives in my second story.

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>>34804273
>Your shame about this is in your own head
Whatever you say bro.

>>34804254
Buy furniture that suits your tastes and put them around

>>34804254
Now, I might be ESL, but to me not living with your mom means actually not living in the same house. You know, so you're not under her supervision, she doesn't cook or clean for you etc. The truth is women aren't going to believe you because, let's face it, what's more likely, that you are a failure leeching off your mom or that you are actually helping out your mom.
At this point you can only try to explain your situation and try to get rid off your mom, bless her, ASAP

>>34804254
>>34804273
I would not be with a man long term if his mother lived in the same house as him, regardless of circumstances. If I am going to marry a man I don't want to be living with mother in law from day one.
If I was already with a man and his mother moved in, I would give it 90 days tops before giving him the ultimatum. I am not going to live with my man's mother like some henpecked slave girl.

>>34804059
Ah, those I don't have to worry about. It's nice that I get to be honest.

>>34804370
Then the girl does not have high interest in the man, That simple.
>>34804404
Then you don't have a high enough interest in the man.
Plenty of women worldwide would not give a single shit if Lionel Messi lived with his mom.

>>34804415
Why would a girl have a high interest in a guy living with his mom, for any reason, when she can have a high interest in a guy who does not live with his mom
>Plenty of women worldwide would not give a single shit if Lionel Messi lived with his mom.
He ain't Messi
>>34804404
>I am not going to live with my man's mother like some henpecked slave girl.
You can always tell your potential mother-in-law to piss off if she's trying to boss you

>>34804254
Sell your house and get her some place of her own she can afford with a downpayment.

>>34804433
Tons of guys have their sick mothers living with them that have wives and girlfriends.
It's just an interest problem.

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>>34804415
This seems like a very dismissive simplistic take.
>Oh if it doesn't work then it wasn't meant to be.
How would you feel if you were job searching and every job rejected you and someone just told you if you didn't get the job then it wasn't a good fit. Or what if you had been banned from 109 countries and when someone asked why, you said it's because it just wasn't a good fit...

>just be a billionaire athlete bro
lol okay.

How open about myself I should be with the girl?

I've heard that you need to have your conversation with the girls be 80% about her. Is it true? If so, I guess you need to be really into her to listen to her talk about herself that much.

>>34802805
update it went so good
did it all then after she looked like she wanted to stay over but i kinda made her go home
and she had like a bit pensive face on the way back
and told me she wont see me next week but in two weeks since shes visiting her family
and she didn't text me after

should i text her...

If my hobby is drawing should I include a pic of my drawing on dating apps or would that be cringe and a waste of a photo?

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>>34805065
you should include it

I went to a bar. I did really bad, I think. I tried to talk to some women. Here's how it went for most of them:

>Go to anime rave/party.
>I talk to some women there.
>Goes okay, manage to get a few socials.
>I talk to them about what their favorite anime/manga are, what they do, I share the same thing. I end up getting their IG.
>I try to go for a number, it fails.

I have a few socials (they'll probably ghost me anyway), but in short, I can't even get a weeb chick to be into me, despite enjoying the same things. I did tell one girl that I found her attractive.

I guess I just have to try more often, right? I didn't do much to break the touch barrier, I've got to work on that too. I don't know when I can find the opportunity to touch her shoulder or hold her hand or something.

>>34805071
>>34805119
I was meaning just a picture of something I drew, not of me drawing. But now that I think about it, should it be of me drawing? Problem is you wouldn't really be able to see what I'm drawing that well and I don't know anyone who I could ask to take the photo.

>>34805121
I do want to go back to my post here and say that it's better than nothing, but I feel as of my skills weren't enough to even get a number. I want to clarify the post here.

I got a few socials, which MIGHT be good. But I feel as if I didn't do well. I only called a girl attractive once. Should I have immediately called every girl I met attractive right on the spot?

I didn't find any opportunity to touch her more to see if she'd be interested in me. I keep trying to get to know her better since I'm not used to escalating.

I was very much struggling to find out when and how to escalate from regular talk. That's my main problem.

>>34805121
>>34805428
I wouldn't go for calling her attractive right away. Also, bars suck, but if you're a weeb and can meet someone at a convention, great. It helps if you cosplay and as always confidence is needed. I think getting an IG is good, but you have to bridge from there to a number. I might be wrong about that. I don't do the IG game because my age group is older.

>>34805152
Girls who draw post their pictures on Tinder all the time, I'd do it. Picture of you drawing a picture would be somewhat cringe though

>>34805152
for sure it would look better if you stage it like the picture posted
get a tripod no amazon, go to a place with nice lighting and you can show both yourself off and the art
that's the way to do it

Is there anything wrong with being a rebound BF if I'm having fun and I'm not necessarily looking for a long-term relationship?

What really helped me was just making female friends. Not only will you get used to women and understand how they think, but they will also introduce you to their friends. Also, having female friends is a green flag to alot of women because you wont seem like a creep.

>>34805549
I am way more interested in meeting a weeb girl than going to a bar to meet them. It just so happened to be a bar with an anime event. That made it easier for me to socialize. Where can I meet girls into anime and cosplay online or in-person? Dating apps and maybe manga stores, right?

People keep saying Discord, but there's no guarantee that whomever I meet is in my city or isn't a damn catfish. My guess is that I'd have to go to a pretty mainstream dating app and make a good profile there.

The bar scene is not my favorite, but I did get socials from there back when I went before. I just can't seem to find someone interested enough (or keep someone interested enough). No one smiled when I made eye contact with them, and when I tried to make convo I forgot to escalate because I was so caught up on trying to maintain her interest. I've got to get used to making small talk for a while and just asking her out while I have her attention. I am going to try to improve in every area in which I struggled.

Friend of mine gave me the number for a chick that seemed to at least care about me enough to do me a hell of a fucking favor in a moment of absolute weakness. The sort of shit I should have done for her instead.
Problem is I'm not aware my friend has any permission to give me her number. So I hesitated at first because I felt it would be too fucking weird or desperate.
Now I'm wondering if it was the opposite and I just waited too long (days). Should I still...?

Need some opinions ASAP
I got this friend at work, she's very close and more or less clingy
I thought she was making a move on me but then she started talking about how some other makes her nervous and she wants to try something with him
With that I thought "ok, she sees me as a friend" but then she calls me and texts me all day when we are working and sorta asks probing questions like what are you up to later today, etc
Is she interested in me? Why the fuck would she talk about other dudes if she likes me? Maybe she just likes the attention I give to her
Anyway I kinda want to text her and see if she's free today, good idea or nah?
Can a guy just be friends with a chick? Maybe that's what she's looking for in me?

>>34801491
Yes.. The first step, talking to a girl.
Good work.
Now try actually making her into a gf, you'll come to find it's much harder

But definitely keep it up

>>34800010
I'm on the same boat, I'd say let it go and learn to forgive yourself, learn to appreciate different things in different people
I didnt let go fast enough, was weak and texted her, only to be replied by her new bf, don't make the same mistake

>>34804059
I’m planning to tell my current girl I have autism. She really likes me and thinks I’m a gigachad (complete with a huge cock). Don’t know why I want to tell her I just do.

>>34805428
you should either go for IG or her number. Not both.
>>34806280
probably the same anon but why do you want to get a weeb/gamer girl? Those have quadrilion beta orbiters constantly showering her with attention and you have to "compete" against them.
Bar is also bit harder, because there are more people approaching. Day game is in your favor. Increase every bit of chance by dressing, grooming and styling better than you currently are.

>>34806372
As in, an actually diagnosed case of autism? Unless it interferes with your life somehow I'd keep it to myself, but if you insist, don't use the word itself

>>34805152
Personally I have a collage of my drawings on my profile, and it's gotten me more comments than the rest of my photos combined
Granted I'm not particularly good looking so ymmv

>>34806295
You can always play dumb and say you thought she was okay with that

when talking with a woman when situations would you use 'cock' over 'dick'? Im autistic so I only use the word penis, but it seems like despite dick and cock being the same thing, women like one over the other?

>>34806564
Now why would you even use these words

>>34806574
during flirty or sexy talk

>>34806593
Do yourself a favor and avoid being this direct while flirting

>>34806606
youre misunderstanding. im asking when you ARE in a situation to use it which one works and why women perfer one over the other

Should I even bother talking to a girl if she talking to other people?
I hear the advice to just focus on the dynamic between the two and not to worry about what else she has going on it's not a competition.
If you just remain friends what was the point of it all? What if she never even saw you as a friend but someone to just talk to like acquaintance?

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>>34806304
Text her. Women are usually interested in multiple men before picking one.

>>34806310
>>34801491
I'm the original poster of this story >>34801456

I got her instagram and we follow each other now. I'm gonna talk to her on instagram to see if I can schedule a date to go out to eat pizza since she said she loves it yesterday at the gym.

I have a problem. Or rather, 2.

1. She's very tomboy. This is not bad at all, but there's some slight lesbian undertones on her profile. Not anything serious or clear and she's feminine but it's still there.

2. this one is a issue. She has interests similar to mine, I can tell, she wants to be a firefighter, she wears military shirts to the gym with POW/MIA markings, in Brazil firefighters are a branch of the Military Police. However, there's a few posts on her repost tab on instagram from profiles in supportive of one of the most repugnant parties in this country. She didn't make those posts, but they are in her repost tab. This is because this party is trying hard to push through a project that on the surface is very appealing to people since it decreases labor time.

I've always had issues dealing with people who are a different from me. So I don't know how to deal with this or approach this. If it comes up, what do I do?

>>34806680
don't bother. most of the time your competition is chad

>>34803938
It might be slightly less good, but it’s much broader. I found it almost as life changing. Manson definitely knows what he’s talking about.

>>34806643
Sorry dude, but that just makes me like them more.

>>34806468
Yes, diagnosed. I don’t think she’d have a problem with it. We’ve had five dates and are fucking and she’s shown me nothing but interest, absolutely no games played.

>>34806643
Hopefully I can use this to my advantage when I ask her to let me cum inside. So far I’ve just came on her tummy and ass and wiped it away with toilet paper.

>>34806771
But does it talk specifically about dating and talking to women, convincing them etc? I thought it was a book more about making you grow and such.

>>34806729
>tomboy petista
Good luck, lmao.
I'd still go for it, practice is always good.

>>34806872
She's not a petista. But reposting fucking Psol 6x2 bullshit even if only twice in 8 months is not a good sign.

Wingman app is saying I should just ignore it because she's 21 and its just Instagram.

Also she's a half-Japanese tomboy so there's that.

>walk into store
>see cutie at the front counter
>smile at her when our eyes meet
>her eyes are glued to mine for the entire 2-3 minute interaction
What should I do in situations like this? Just ask her for her number? I don't have any rizz and only know how to flirt with my eyes

>>34806846
Yes. It covers basically everything, except online dating which took off after Manson was mostly done with this kind of thing.

Anyone else attractive but have never had a woman approach them?
I feel like they are too afraid I would reject them but I’m j such an introvert. desperate for some puss

>>34806988
Be cool and casual
Try to be funny
make her laugh
Ask if she has a bf
And yes ask for her number

>>34806639
Just use whichever one feels right

>>34806472
Well I didn't get yelled at at least, but the short responses suggest I'm not all that welcome. Oh well

>>34807344
Hey, you shot your shot, good for you

>>34806921
who the fuck cares. just practice with her and get some experience. you arent changing rings with her after texting or the first date.

>>34806821
You've got a good thing going, wait some more and only tell her once you're sure she's yours

Got a date with a girl on Hinge to go thrifting but I have a suspicion she's looking for a simp to just pay for her shit? What should I do?

I got a date tomorrow. First date since breakup. kinda nervous, but Im trying to play it cool. also chatting with my new match since today. I also plan to setup a date with her.

>>34807537
Ask her what's looking for

>>34807537
grab your own stuff and mention the total cost so she knows you think you have separate hauls
if she tries some shit at the counter, just tell the cashier that you'll be right back - then pull her aside and ask her straight up what this is

Okay boys, not exactly a /HTGW/ thing, I currently have a gf, buuut figured this place would be a good place to ask shit.

Pretty much been living with gf for over a year, together for just about 3. Shes cool, helps around the house, good job, funny, bit lacking in the caring or like the "here babe let me do this" type shit. fast forward to now, im thinking about my ex from years back constantly. tight little peice of asian ass, sucked the soul outa me when we were together. She was crazy, but for some reason my brain can't get her off of it. I just wanna text her and tell her to come over, but ik I got a good thing going with the current gf. Really no problems with current gf, just not that "insane psycho love tornado" shit that I had with ex. Any thoughts bros?

>>34807618
>im thinking about fucking things up
crazy is contagious and she might've nicked you
>gf doesn't read my mind and do random shit for me
yeah she got ya
do you do random shit for the gf?
best you can do is lead by example, then tell her that you love it when she does it too
don't expect a person who's never anticipated your needs and wiped your bum to start

>>34806378
I ask for either or. I got socials a few times. Didn't get a number, I tried that only once.

The beta orbiters aren't my main concern, I met a few and am still talking to one. She has the most things in common, and I just want to stand out amongst them and have a girl that will be as much into anime and games as I do. It's not the only kind of girl I'd go for, but I think it's the best kind for me.

Night game is pretty hard. Both are actually challenging and I found out where I struggle in both areas.

Day Game: I didn't compliment or do anything that says I was interested. I wanted to, but I couldn't find an opportunity to after trying to start a convo. Next time, I want to START the convo with the compliment. I tried to dress well, but I think it was how awkward I seemed (there was a bit of it there) that made it unattractive. I just have to do it more and more until I get used to it, I think.

Night game: I did strike up good conversations with some girls into anime and was able to get their social media. I even then started to compliment their appearance. But, I haven't found anybody who responded with interest yet. I think it applies to every setting here, but I think it's how awkward I might have been doing it. I just have to approach more. That's what I took out of it. There's ONE more problem with night game that I think is important to address now. Even when I compliment her appearance after starting a bit of small talk, I still can't find a way to make some physical contact. When do I touch her shoulder when it's just us talking? Or touch her hand?

I want to answer those and do those for my next outing. But yeah, I'm aware that there are tons of orbiters for weeb chicks. But aren't there tons of them for all other chicks, too? Either way, seeing them in person and trying to get with them beats trying to be just another message on their DMs. Thanks for responding, by the way. I enjoy getting help.

>>34807618
You're clearly not in love with your current gf, that's the main issue here, not your blowjob maestra Asian ex.
Option 1: bang your ex behind your current gf's back
Option 2: dump you current gf, do whatever you want next

>>34807564
nice
just don't talk about your ex on dates

>>34807689
>be eating chicken
>remember that you also enjoyed beef
>throw your chicken on the floor
might wanna pump the brakes there

>>34807716
I don't see him mentioning loving her, his description pretty much boils down to "she's kinda cool, helps around the house, could do more of the loving stuff though"

>>34807675
yeah I think that might be the case. man the highs were high but those lows were awful. I think your right my man, its about communication. Ive been trying to do more random shit for the gf, we had a convo about it a few weeks ago, she's been doing more for me as well. shes away for the weekend with her folks, I had to work so i stayed home. Think you inspired me to deep clean the house and have a home cooked meal waiting for her when she gets back.

>>34807685
you can always shake hands when you introduce yourself but this is more suited for day game.
You sound like you over analyze your approaches. Clear your head.

Having your first contact in person is always a huge plus to the other faggots sliding in her IG DM or Discord. Normal girls with huge followers might have them aswell but anime (depending on the genre) and gaming is very male dominated. Having same interesst can help. Opposite can attract aswell .

always glad to help. keep up the work, king.

>>34807757
I do love her, I always feel just like, at home aroud her? I figured i didnt need to specify I love her, if I didn't love her I would dip. More so having instrusive thoughts, maybe cherry picking moments with the ex. Guess its normal to an extent

>>34807772
In that case either cheat or keep doing whatever you're doing. Or just imagine your ex next time your banging your current gf

>>34807768
I am over analyzing them. I want to see where I am doing wrong, and now I'm just convinced that I figured it out. I need to approach more to not appear as awkward. I'm going to keep trying whenever I can.

I have the best convos with girls who have the same interests as me. Finding the right girl matters the most, but one with interests makes for great talk and gives us things to do, it makes it easier to find a girl that might be right for me. It's pretty important to me because of that.

I would really want to know where girls into anime and manga go. Right now, I go to my favorite manga store that I actually enjoy going to (it's not just for trying to meet women, I tend to try day game and night game when I don't feel pressured to find a girl, that wouldn't be right), and conventions are the best. Any more ideas could be great.

Once again, man, thank you for the advice.

Should I text my ex, with whom I blew our last date/hangout, something like "I want you so bad"? Maybe just "Drinks at my place?" I find myself overcome with an intense horniness today.

>>34805051
update: i did not message her
and she has not messaed me either
so now i'm in this weird limbo of who will make the first move
and I know if I do it, her attraction will super drop?
or is she testing to see if I actually like her and will reach out?

Anyway, i'm sure that would be irrelevant if the sex was so good she would be chasing me even now.

How to give a girl good sex? I think that may have been my issue...

does anyone have any actual good advice/resources for approach anxiety?

Is it putting the cart before the horse to go on a coffee date with a woman who's been sexually flirting with you online (to the point of saying good morning to each other every day) but haven't met in-person yet?

>>34808514
Its mostly your job as a man to text her after the date, or give her a reason before departing like "Text me when you got home".

>>34808729
Practice. If you have problem looking the girl in the eyes, watch those eye contact practice vids on youtube. If you have a problem actually approaching then start by simply asking for direction without having a conversation.

>>34808729
I've always found the whole "start with approaching to ask the time, then directions, then... and so on until you can approach about anything with skill and without anxiety" to be pretty solid advice

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>dating while staying sober

>>34808979
You and other retarded anons keep complaining that you are forced to get drunk. There are good non-alcoholic beers or mocktails.

What should my lead photo on my profile be? I took a photo where I look good yesterday but the only problem is it's a headshot and I'm not smiling in it. Is a headshot OK? Some advice i heard said the lead photo has to be a headshot and the other advice is that it should never be. When I smile I look goofy and I don't think it's that attractive but I'm worried me with a serious face might be weird.

>>34809034
Headshots are good as leading picture. It does not matter if you are smiling or not. Are you smiling in other pics? If not, than change one of your weaker ones.

>>34807757
>>34807793
>extremes only!
nah
>>34807763
>putting in the effort
yah
heartwarming

>see very cute zoomer gym girl again after several months of nothing
>I remember her being quite friendly and flirty, think she might've been into me
>she has a boyfriend now

Silly but it ruined my day a bit. Did get a bit of schadenfreude from the fact that I was easily benching almost twice what her boyfriend was struggling with despite him being a skinny athlete type and me being a somewhat skinny-fat millennial. Still sucks though, wish I'd made a move on her in time.

>>34809040
I am smiling in other more candid pics. I just want my lead pic to look good and I can't really pull of a natural smile in posed photos.

all right, what should I do here

>my machine in the gym is occupied by this cutie
>i go and ask can we share, we start talking, having fun
>she mentions she has a husband but also jokes when my husband irritates me I go to gym
>she says see you next time i usually come at 6 in the morning
>then she slips a little and I grab her from falling, she grabs my hips


Is she into me or am I overanalysing this?

>>34809181
The most natural pictures are those taking in motion. So instead of posing for one picture, tell your cameraman to just constantly snap pics, while you try different pose and moving. Pick that one good picture out of 60.

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>>34808987
>Imagine talking to thots and not being absolutely shit pissed

>>34809196
>your cameraman
???

I don't get it. Some people go to bars and get women without any difficulty. Now, when I was at a bar, no one was trying to attract anybody, they were already with a partner, but I tried to go for some single ones. As expected, I got a few socials and it went nowhere, but I got over my approach anxiety a bit.

But how do some people do it? What makes me consistently unattractive if it's a numbers game? I think it's just because I don't approach enough. But what sets others apart? Some people are in a different world where they just meet and get with a new woman every week. What's wrong with me?

>>34808846
>>34808842
Thanks. I don't actually have much of an issue approaching people for mundane things like that, even women, if I have to. (Though, weather/directions in 2026 is going to seem odd I think).
The problem is approaching for any kind of social or romantic reason. Or if I'm in normal conversation, trying to turn it flirty. I can't get myself to do it. I guess because I consider myself such a loser that for me to approach a woman would be like an insult to her. And I don't want to do that.

If you change one of your hinge photos that someone liked does that delete the like?
Also how long do you guys hold onto your likes?

I'm just depressed, I broke up with her a year ago and i'm still missing her, while she's out there living her life with someone else
I also miss sex so fucking much, I'm about to go for an escort, should I bite the bullet?
It's just absolutely grim today

>>34809698
Break up for legit reason or no

How do I stop misinterpreting signals for my own sake?
I get carried away from stupid physical stuff that might really just mean fuck all.

Be a guy who tries to move forward through life with responsibility in mind.

https://youtu.be/xHkcIRZa6lo?si=lFkNnKU3k0mn6lM-

>The friend zone is actually good.
>The longer you are actually friends with them the better.
>You have to watch them fuck other men.
>But you also have to fuck other women as well.
>Asking them out multiple times is ok.
>If you don't change enough withing a 2-5 year period you're probably fucked.
>Literally make them jealous but also be there for them.

Why isn't this guy in the OP? Pretty much everything in the OP is dated and dogshit boomer advice. No wonder no one gets any women here, this place is to just fuck easy targets and literal whores, not find love.

>>34809719
I'm not entirely sure, I felt like I got tired of the relationship and she noticed it, said she felt she had to beg for attention and she was right, I felt really bad and decided to end things cause I wasn't treating her right, she was getting constantly hurt because of me
But I feel real fuckin stupid now because now I can see that I could've just done the effort cause I did love her

Having bad luck with women is a normal part of life. Believe you got it and will get the next hot girl.

Imagine thinking changing your personality, who you are as a person is somehow more respectable than maximizing your looks. Looksmaxxers unironically have the right idea.

>Why women deserve less is in the OP.

No wonder no one gets laid here.

https://youtu.be/u6QcjXub8fo?si=D3Y1UewdShVvhtjS

>>34809943
What's your suggestion?

>>34809945

Literally anyone who isn't fucking some discount Andrew Tate.

The Harsh Reality of Women's Attraction
https://youtu.be/SY0BNyFeQ9Q?si=h9aTV0L_pNNdpmsM

Looksmaxxing Is Not About Looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjYnQL3PVYA

Your Soulmate Isn’t On Hinge
https://youtu.be/ezF31CwFvpc?si=7LX1RSil1QU4wRik

How To ACTUALLY Find The Right Person For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfuHwENzXM

Why The Dating Crisis Is Just Natural Selection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefGxK10bWQ

You're Stuck Because You Refuse to Grow Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z3RcXlNaMw

Why 40% of Young Men Have Erectile Dysfunction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWX1xuXAVw4

>>34809974
There is nothing wrong with making the most out of yourself. In all honesty I've dealt with more bullies who are smarter than me than stronger than me. Usually it is these people with high IQs who feel like they are in a room full of idiots that turn out to be the worst bullies imaginable. It is not strong people. Strong people I've found to have kind hearts. But these smartasses I deal with at times, man sometimes they believe Hitler was right that eugenics should exist which is even more scary. Those smart people I even find less willing to read what others type, usually jumping to conclusions, and then praising some intellect from the 19th century to prove how smart they are, which I find a bit ridiculous because knowing history does not make you smart. I know these people have a tendency to talk about the kid who was drooling in class and it distracted everyone. You notice in every conversation with them they tend to use the words: retard and low IQ. I really don't know about smart people anon. That sounds 1950s bullying not 2026. 2026 bullies bully because they are smarter than everyone.

In fact what makes this even more surprising is that at least people who bully you through strength are at least honest and direct with you. People who bully when smart are passive-aggressive and wish ill-harm on you and try to do deceitful maneuvers behind your back.

I don't know anon but this seems more like Kevin the cucumber from Spongebob

So i went to a date today with this woman from hinge. She looked so much better in person than on her profile. We kept talking for hours and time flew by so quickly. Before the date ended, we already agreed to meet again. WAGMI

>>34810007
>Before the date ended, we already agreed to meet again
good going anon, but don't get your hopes up. they usually agree to meet up again, but ghost you right after

>>34810013
Well, she texted me five minutes after our ways parted, so i guess that is a clear sign.

Why isnt this board more active than the dreadful r9k?

>>34809990
>>34810001

Nah, this guy is good. My original post >>34809882 is my proof. All my life I thought dating was a mystery and had no idea how I ever got women. All the women just seemed to fall in to my lap with no effort. I wasn't some chad, I was a total incel. But all those women where women I had known for a while. Women I was a class mate with and thought nothing of for the longest time till one day we seemed to say nothing and everything at the same time.

If you need any more proof that he's different, watch these.

Why We Shouldn't Leave Incels Behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHmDJyVT3g0

The Misogyny Pipeline EXPLAINED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHtdGIMxD88

Nobody Cares How Stoic You Are (Anima/Animus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr-EwLQCOIk

The Hidden Cost Of 'Keeping It Together' (High Functioning Depression)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaAFG1ooO0Y

How Being a Victim Ruined Your Life
https://youtu.be/ddJP4HrKBSw?si=SC2oce-OoSwFfWPW

Are You a "Deep Thinker" Or Just Narcissistic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ctkBMCGCyo

Why Men CAN'T Ask For Help.
https://youtu.be/OAbmiSXzFrw?si=ZSj-lMZPbG7AztJ1

If you like a woman, you've identified she has latent greatness, see a happy long horizons future with her, and you crossed her radar, there are many things you can do to further acquiring her as a partner, and making her your ideal

Every woman is predisposed to fantasies of adventure, success, and spontaneity

>Traveling and ending up in special settings with locals.
>Embodying a journey and outcome independent mindset
>Always reading, learning, and doing meaningful hobbies
>Healthy lifestyle
>Highly discriminant on your time, energy, and social circle

Women eat. this. up. These stories and traits embody romance, warrior and magician personas. Notice how horny they get from men in healthcare? There are exploitable psychological attractions. Play into them. Lift them off their feet with your stories, dedication to life, passions, and virtues. Make them excited to join you on your journey.

The cards you share will depend on what her specific interests are. Of course you also need cards/life xp to deal out. If you don't already have it, being curious helps.

Besides making them horny with all your insight, have extreme patience. Patience and low neuroticism appeals to every type of woman from the calm to the hysterical. It's the most fatherly / warrior / king trait a man can have. Impressive leaders don't uncontrollable lose their shit, whine, complain, enter frenzies, or lose their emotions. When they do, it is intentional

Your patients in all things will eclipse them and make them trust you. (other men will also be impressed by it too). It's a great skill

Once all this is established, you can start to steer her in any direction you want - even away from the feel-good fantasies you initially used to lure her towards you

Being a good leader, you will steer her towards being a better version of herself, for you, but mainly out of love for her. She will love you for it too. This won't fully align with fantasies, but those can be reserved for occasional indulgence

>>34810007
>>34810039
Fantastic! I had a similar date today too. Wagmi.

Start planning for the honeymoon phase's end. What does that mean? Have extreme patience, and looking at the future.

Incel moment, I know, but she very likely could try to throw wrenches into it by question your love and the relationship. If you see her as amazing and truly great, don't give that neuroticism any fuel. Be an achor, a rock, impermeable to the wrenches.

t. recently weighed anchor because she was too much older (6 years) for me to weather the storm, despite being great

>>34810116
Nice! What did you do with her?
Im not putting her on a pedestal. Kept it cool during the date. She paid for my ice cream eventho i said i wanted to. I paid for the drinks at the end of the date.

>she just sent me a msg now and asked me to have another date on the 22th
Im in heaven.

>>34810220
I broke it off, I want kids to be a possibility. She probably sensed it and became neurotic, so it's for the best. Always is.

Why the 22nd? Why not supper week?

>>34810272
because she already told me during the date that she is going to be on a short trip with her family from thursday to sunday next week.

>>34810275
Good, young adults usually leave those family gatherings massively horny from not being able to goon + turmoil with mom

>>34810272
i actually meant what you did during your date today

>>34810315
We went for coffee.

Coffee dates are sorta cringe after mid 20s. I prefer suppers now, but it was good.

At the end, she paused time and said she was happy we met and enjoyed talking

My fetish (women) will consume me and I will love it

Hey I’m a woman and there’s no ask opposite gender thread up :(
Do guys exist that just get off on molesting boobs n using hands n mouth and be completely satisfied with that without penetration?

>>34810453
Obvious. But eventually any respectable man is going to have to penetrate you

>>34810385
I dont like dinner dates. I only do them when i already have a gf. Coffee / ice cream as first date gives the option to end it earlier or extend it with something else. For a second date i mostly plan to do something the women said she likes to do during a conversation on the first date and ocasionally combining it with buying pizza ingridients and later cooking at my place.

>>34810559
Cooking at your place? Give her a mop and broom for the 4th date

>>34810559
what 3 things do you extend ice cream / coffee with typically? a walk?

>>34810453
sounds gross but the male orgasm is the show everyone came to see

How do you deal with taking a shit or having a girl take a shit in the hotel room

>>34810453
No

>>34811128
I've never had an issue with it, it's a normal thing. Just don't be judgemental about it and use odor neutraliser if it's available.

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Does Bumble ban you for deleting and remaking accounts like Hinge does?

>>34811128
if I know it's gonna be really bad, I will find another washroom to stink up

if I can't, then tough luck. She's gonna ask me if I feel ok and hug me after

Just told my mom on the phone about my latest hinge match, a girl from my high school class I was wondering if she knew. We have a date set up when I return from vacation. My mom immediately facebook stalks her and says
>she looks chubby
>she has big boobs
>shes voluptuous
>you'll have fun with her
This from the same woman who chastised me 9 years ago in college because she (correctly) surmised I was having sex with my then-girlfriend.

>>34810453
Depends on how big your boobs are.

If it’s DD or bigger, can I date you?

>>34811493
Your mom is based.

>>34810625
We obviously cook together but all the girls loved it so far.

>>34810847
Depends on the season. A walk at the lake is the best option for summer. There are other interesting spots in my city to walk around and explore. Or i combine ice cream and coffee/softdrinks. Candle dipping around november/december is another thing that girls love to do with me. Botanical garden or museum are another options. It depends on the woman honestly.

>>34811713
girls enjoy watching me bake and cook

6/10 sluts will come over to make cookies

you date a lot lol
do you?

what is candy dipping? Sounds like so much sugar on your dates. cute

>>34809517
No one is good at everything anon. Think of it like stand up comedy. You probably could never become a standup comic. You could learn a routine (written for you by someone else) and with enough practice you could get through it fine, but you’d probably never even rise to the level of average. The people who seem to effortlessly get girls at bars just might be made of something you aren’t. But most men aren’t made of that. That doesn’t mean you can’t get girls in another way and it doesn’t mean you can’t get girls in bars. But you’ll probably never be THAT bar guy.

>>34809692
No.
I’ve held onto likes for years before. It’s kind of nice seeing there. If you mean matches I never delete those. Except for ones I’ve actually gotten serious with because I don’t want them seeing me updating my profile for the rebound.

>>34811722
It was from my time dating in arounde 2023. Yesterday was my first date since my breakup.
Its not candy dipping, its CANDLE dipping. You get a candle wick and dip it in liquid candle wax multiple times until you get a candle.

>>34810559
I switched to coffee when I was dating Christians but now that I’m done with that drinks seems superior in every way except price.
>fun
>loosens up conversation
>promotes vulnerability from both of you
>all but avoids sending the “let’s just be friends” message
>makes kissing after easier, probably

Also tell me about your pizza dates. I had a successful one recently off this general’s suggestion but just want to hear how someone else does it. We made NY style pizza is and it was phenomenal :)

>>34810847
My go to coffee place is next to my city’s best park. This area also has a brewery, a barcade, restaurants and an AA baseball stadium. Hopefully you have somewhere like this with a few options for you, but all you need is a decent place to walk around.

>>34811777
>>all but avoids sending the “let’s just be friends” message
checked and true, I've never taken a girl out for drinks and NOT gotten at least a makeout session from it. In my head, "let's get a drink" and "let's have sex" are exactly the same invitation, and women seem to agree.

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>>34811549
Anon, “DD” doesn’t mean anything without the band size. Every band size’s DD is a different volume from every other.

Not to mention women are complete shit at buying the correct size.

>>34811777
Its probably a eurothing to go to a nice café.

Nothing really special. Just doing something she likes as a second date and then going to a grocery, buying premade pizza dough and toppings she likes, going to my place, cook n eat.

>>34811597
I suppose, but as I also alluded to, she wasn’t just 9 years ago. She’s now 69 so maybe she’s reached that old person DGAF age. I’m now 32 so maybe she’s done telling me how to live my life.

I wonder if she knows I’m fucking these girls I’m dating or at least trying to. I want to think there’s some other way she could have meant “you’ll have fun” after describing this girl’s body for 20 seconds, but deep down I know there probably isn’t one.

>>34811792
I’m not even sure why that’s the way it is but drinks and coffee just seem to send such different messages.

Where are you making out? I always drive to my first dates so when I get makeouts it’s in a secluded area - parking deck, somewhere secluded in the park, or maybe it’s late and there just aren’t many people around. And typically these don’t last that long.

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I did exactly what you faggots kept telling me, I went out a did a few cold approaches and ended up getting kicked out of the mall by a fucking mall cop.
Thanks alot you worthless pieces of shit.