>>34827472
My autism is high functioning btw

>>34827472
How many times are you going to spam this?

>>34827504
Asides from this post I literally just post this once
I just wanna be sure I am not harming anyone

No it isn't rape but rape is good and women want to be raped so you'd better drag some hoe into the bushes.

>>34827472
Just masturbate, you retard. Saves a ton of money.

>>34827547
I do it almost twice a day. I can't stand seeing boobs, ass and pussy in my screen anymore. I want to feel the real thing

>>34827505
What makes you think you're going to get a different answer the second time round?

>>34827555
If you are so bothered just leave the thread

>>34827472
>denouncing the men who part take on it as a client as rapist and doing paid sexual assault towards women.
>But in the other hand I saw sex workers saying they consented to do the sex work I am so confused.
I think both are true at the same time. You can "consent" to being a sex worker in the same way someone "consents" to working at mcdonalds.
If your choice is to either do that work or starve to death, you're not really "consenting" to it.
>I just want to experiment sex for the first time, but I don't want to harm any women.
It's good that you care about this enough to ask. You should just find someone to have sex with the normal way, like a dating app or going to bars.

>>34827472
As a literal trans anarchist who lived a part time job doing activism and fucking up state level politics, those people are rotting garbage. They've confused measuring everything ethically imperfect for study, with moralizing their own weird gender and sex problems, and tacking on hyperbole for extra social justice authoritygasms. You should stay a day from sexworkers because of the antisocial diagnosis though; bad history for that disorder, moreso the recently deceased.

>>34827666
>You should stay a day from sexworkers because of the antisocial diagnosis though
I don't want to live like a hermit. Also it's not antisocial personality disorder, I have antisocial traits (not enough to be classified as a disorder)

>>34827762
Oh, that's just pretty normal autism then IME. I'm analytical and ADD so I'm fucking moths to a flame, and nobody shows more bare self-interest without social concern than autistic people. At least you'll feel bad later, which fixes nothing. Tell the hooker first, frankly. "Please be patient, I have autism" is a hat worn in at least one porn video I liked.

who cares what a bunch of niggers think, get your dick wet (legally)

>>34827840
Well, I don't wanna be a rapist

>>34827472
No its not rape just don't listen to retards and women and men who think like women, who all belong to the group known as "leftist". They have a bias they want you and all incels to be miserable. I liked the movie obsession but the psychos driving the discussion of it online make me hate it.

Ask yourself really, do you think the women who make a living being paid whores would be happier if every client of theirs said "I can't pay for you anymore, it is rape. Go be free now young innocent hoe"
Well, they'd still be happy because of all the money they made in the past from "rape" before that little revelation. But imagine the ones just starting out.

Jeez man I'm over here where it's not legal and I have to weigh all the risks, cops, gangs, stds, devaluation of love, conscience. If it were as easy as yours I probably would've done it by now just to experience it.
Besides, most women have rape fantasy. You can't trust what they say, learn by what they do instead.

As for me imma buy a pussy sleeve of dillion harper tonight, and maybe a mega masturbator toy later down the road, just to feel what its like.

>>34827934
>Ask yourself really, do you think the women who make a living being paid whores would be happier if every client of theirs said "I can't pay for you anymore, it is rape. Go be free now young innocent hoe"
>Well, they'd still be happy because of all the money they made in the past from "rape" before that little revelation. But imagine the ones just starting out.

it's not the left, it's academic liberal kiddies. Liberalism enjoys the state and capitalism, standing only for libertine pleasures. Speaking as a tranny, fuck those dog cunts <3

>>34827951
is there a left that isnt trans and "academic liberal kiddies"? as a trans are you not a woman or a man that thinks like a woman?

normal guy stance:
>seeing a whore especially if it's legal and the world has gotten so shitty it's probably the only way you ever get laid : shame but ok
>becoming the whore for the rest of your life: gay and wrong

>>34828002
There is, but like... you'd never have contact without looking for it. The DSA has three letter agency handlers often enough, or at least staff liasons and funding that let DNC-funded education companies rule their opinions. Most don't know what the DSA is, and that speaks for itself. Worse still when they drop in, "out of solidarity" to every collective they can, and introduce Frankfurt school horse shit.

>>34827472
>people on colleges, feminist circles, reddit and discord
Not credible sources.
4chan is neither here nor there.
Anyways you can just go to the whorehouse and talk to them and figure it out for yourself

>>34827472
>In my old university the students made a protest to expell a teacher who made porn when he was younger to fund his PhD
Based students

>>34827472
>In my old university the students made a protest to expell a teacher who made porn when he was younger to fund his PhD and they equate him to a rapist by stating porn is a form of misogyny
this is genuinely interesting. it's fucked, those students are dipshits and morons, but just as phenomenon its bizarre. like the logic behind "sex work is rape" is because it exploits those that do it, which IS overwhelmingly women, but the industry tends to be ideologically indifferent about the actual gender of its workers, it's just responding to market demands. the teacher is as much being "raped" as the woman in this instance because its the industry that's fuckin them both

>>34827666
>literal trans anarchist
i was like you once. you'll actually read marx one day, don't worry

either way >>34827572 is correct. these women consent on a strictly legal level and youre not drugging them or pinning them down in an alley way. its just a really exploitative industry and most people wouldnt be doing it if they didnt have to. ive never been to a sex worker, i dont think anyone should but the unfortunate way of the world is that theres an addressable market and those girls gotta pay rent just like the rest of us

it wouldnt make you a rapist but if youre this concerned about it right now i think you might not feel great about yourself afterwards

guys i know who go to sex workers tend to be either chauvinists who dont care or be a bit desperate and lonely, and ashamed of what theyre doing. i say desperate and lonely here compassionately not in a denigrating way, its natural to need a bit of loving sometimes, we all need a bit of tenderness and touch, we all get lonely

worth noting though, there are some (very few) sex workers who really do "love their job" in some way, and specialize in handling specific clientele, like autistic or disabled people or first timers. might be worth windowshopping
you seem like a decent guy who genuinely cares, i hope you figure it out

>>34828148
>i was like you once. you'll actually read marx one day, don't worry
This is what people who haven't read Proudhon say. remind me again where Marx got universal suffrage from. Assure me of the withering of the state, and tell me the SU handled the doukhobors properly.

>>34828177
>proudhon
>my le property is le theft
your devotion to ideals interferes with your ability to engage with the material conditions of the world
>assure me of the withering of the state
history and politics will never arrive at a solved end state. the withering of the state should be striven for, but never assumed

also the obvious rebuttal is if you don't like marxism and politics downstream of it because it might not achieve its end goals (potential reality that must be genuinely considered), why do you think that anarchism is the way forward and will achieve its goals? anarchist projects fail just as often, and usually without ever achieving anything of note.

you gotta engage with the uncomfortable reality that most people simply want to "get on with their lives", and that a politics that asks them to sacrifice that in pursuit of abstract ideals and theoretical end states instead of pursuing noticeable improvements in quality of life right now/short term is doomed to fall into the "utopian ideas that sound noble but are unrealistic" category. make my rent cheaper in the next 12 months and we can talk, otherwise i'm too busy working full time to dedicate myself to your project

example: aus politics. greens party always banging on about shit, socialist party imagining grand future of state owned everything, but they oppose or nitpick or whinge and wally on about the labour party's budget that is punishing abusive real estate investment incentives and practices. immediate material benefits trump theoretical ideals every time

>>34828244
The human conditions of the world are mostly socially created problems in cause. Sure materialism is correct, brains are a subset of materialism that create social context.

If you understand this, everything you've said is just stemlord blithering. Democracy is also a social element, so when I mention universal suffrage, proudhon and Marx.... well either you can figure this out or you need to stop talking shit about ideologies you've never studied.

>>34828096
Make Everyone there a nepo baby. Great

>>34828269
>brains are a subset of materialism that create social context
yes, and do you think that brains respond more to future abstractions or immediate concretes?

if the social is a subset of the material, then you need to find a way to translate future abstraction into immediate concrete, which means realpoliticking and making ideological compromises to actually move towards goals. you can't just wave proudhon around at people and expect them to quit their jobs and join the struggle
joe blows in the amazon warehouse tends to want, before anything else, a pay rise and improvement of labour conditions

again, make my rent cheaper in the next 12 months, then we can talk

china is a one party state, but they've industrialised and improved the quality of life of the average citizen faster than almost any other country in the world (and lets be real, they did most of that after liberalizing and opening up their economy). democracy isn't necessarily a prerequisite of societal improvements, it's just an abstract ideal you (and also I) hold dear, that CAN result in societal improvements

again, make my rent cheaper in the next 12 months, then we can talk

>stemlord blithering
wrong again, stupid! history and political philosophy double major
also what's stemlord blithering about saying "i think the political project should be driven by real improvements to the quality of life, not by adherence to ideological orthodoxy"
come on you're doing the anarkiddy thing where anyone that doesnt agree with you must just be stupid and not have read the right 19th century guy

its the 21st century, anarchism has failed just like the USSR, the DDR was swallowed by the BRD, and propaganda of the deed fizzled out

again, make my fucking rent cheaper in next 12 months, then we can talk

>>34827895

its not rape if its consensual, rape is a legal term and as long as you don't break the law by raping someone you cant be a rapist, understand? a batshit pink-haired man hater calling you a rapist means nothing if its not true.

You're autistic

>the money acts as a coercion force removing the consent
>But in the other hand I saw sex workers saying they consented to do the sex work I am so confused
Aren't mutually exclusive.

One woman could have been sold into sex slavery while another can be doing it willingly.

But you already made this thread before. Have fun jacking off to replies (i don't judge your fetish)

>>34827472
>Is sex work rape?
yeah it is, and regular work isn't any better in both cases your brain and body are exploited

I bet you're willing to order food delivery sometimes, how is it any different?

>>34827472
Virginity is purity
It is valuable

Why waste it?

Look, I think it’s nice of you to be concerned about that; it says a lot about your character. But if you really want to experience that sensation without hurting anyone, you could contact a sex worker and ask for her thoughts and whether she’d be okay with it—I think she might understand the situation.

>>34831197
People use virgin as a insult against men for a reason

>>34827472
>I saw from several people on colleges, feminist circles, reddit and discord
I cannot think of a demographic whose opinions I would value less.

>>34831461
You know the first two dictates a lot of public laws and policies right?

There are kids half your age who have more game than you. A literal 13 year old playing Roblox knows how to rizz better than you, a grown man old enough to earn a Master’s degree.

I’m here to tell you it’s going to get worse. When you enter your 30s as a permavirgin incel, you’re going to witness those 13 year old Roblox kids getting married, divorced, and remarried. And you’re still going to be in a relationship with your Kleenex box at that age.

Keep your head up, champ. At least your Kleenex box won’t take 50% of your wealth in divorce court.

>>34827472
hi i am an actual aspiring Bodisatva ok

sex work is rape yes

>>34827666
>>34827951
kys tranny faggot
>>34828148
kys commie faggot

>>34827472
No because the woman agreed to having sex for money/whatever exchange? It's only rape if the wamman sez stop and you don't.

>>34833299
But if so isn't the goods or money acting as a coercing force the same way a physical one? She wouldn't have the sex if wasn't for the money

>>34834264
She could also refuse sex even given the money offer. So she still agrees so it's not rape. Only if she's like a sex slave forced to do the job she didn't sign up for then sure

>>34834541
Aren't most sex workers living in poverty? Most of them are unable to refuse clients due to economical necessity as far as I know.

for fucks sake ust go live in a state with legalizes brothels and you won't have to worry about banging someone who doesn't wanna be there.

>>34835126
But sex work is legalized in my country

>>34827472
>feminist circles, reddit and discord

Bro if you listen to that garbage you will chop your dick off before you hit thirty and be a virgin until you die. If you have a compulsion to listen to the ravings of theterminally insane, visit your nearest asylum.But don't stream it right into your home.

>>34835257
Well feminists often raise awareness to women's issues so I thought I should take it in consideration to avoid hurting a woman

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>The problem is I saw from several people on colleges, feminist circles, reddit and discord saying it's a form of rape
What the fuck is this shit? Do westerners really

>>34834741
So are men and they don't sell their assholes. They can go do what men do but they don't. Their choice. The easy way out.

>>34828148
That was certainly interesting to read

OP is just afraid to lose his virginity and is looking for an excuse to be "one of the good guys" to people in his life that don't matter or deeply care about him.

>>34837510
In the past I tried contact with a sex worker before I saw the thesis of "sex work is rape". After seeing it I stopped contact with the sex worker due to fear of harming her or be financing a pimp

>>34827472
1. Paying for it is not exploitation, if anyone's being exploited it's the man. I've banged tons of hooker and not one was against their will. They charge me a fortune and we're perfectly happy. Women hook by choice.

2. Go to Asia. All expats there are autistic social misfits and they plow through women like a fat guy at burger king.

Ok all those comments are convincing I think I will hire a girl the most ethical way possible soon

i really dont know where they came from but if you really want to have sex just get youre life togheter idk how you look but i think having a girlfriend would be the best thing desu

>>34827472
Sex Work. is NOT WORK
Its SEX. Lets get that out the way fast. Now
Prositution is illegal.
you WILL BE CAUGHT
YOU WILL BE SHAMED
YOU LAW BREAKERS WILL BE ARRESTED VERY SOON
SEE U IN COURT@

>>34838530
>YOU LAW BREAKERS WILL BE ARRESTED VERY SOON
But sex work is legal and we'll regulated in my country

>>34827472
>The problem is I saw from several people on colleges, feminist circles, reddit and discord saying it's a form of rape because the money acts as a coercion force removing the consent.
This is a sex negative point of view that robs women of their autonomy in a capitalist system. Other feminists argue that sex work is a business, selling sex is a business decision. While all transactions under capitalism (classist systems) are arguably unethical, buying sex isn't rape, nor is it more unethical than buying... avocados or diamonds, for example.

>>34827472
Is buying at the grocery store paid slavery?

>>34827472
Personally not a fan of prostitution because I think it's degrading for everyone involved and harms social cohesion
But the argument that money removes consent is absurd. By that logic buying goods is theft because the seller only consented to give you the good because you coerced them with money
Never listen to moralistic slogans that sound like "X is Y", they're always rhetorical bludgeons

>>34844507
>harms social cohesion
How?

>>34838615
I wouldnt argue with a retard that cant even read the fucking threat he's replying

>>34827472
just try going to a sex worker and ask only for cuddles for a lower rate. The sex worker will 100% try and fuck you and constantly pressure you to have sex so they can get more money from you. In fact they won't shut up about it.

Honestly the experience is weird and its highly likely that you'll feel way more violated than the sex worker themselves who won't give a shit at all.

Clinging to labels like autism and "antisocial traits" is holding you back btw. My advice is if you do it try and go to a rub and tug massage because it seems like less pressure than the hookers who dress up all cringe and are ratchet and way too expensive anyway

>>34827472
about as much as a job is enslavement

>>34845019
That's the most bizarre thing I've read in a while. Thanks.