The most attractive women are always at the drive thru window but they also give me a look of shock or disgust. So how am I supposed to get a gf im attracted to?
I have a full head of hair, im 6’7

I'm gonna koreanmaxx.

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zach is the reason why you don't fuck

how do I create a lifestyle that puts me near beautiful women for at least the majority of my day

>>34839978
Turn yourself into a sexy boytoy she'd crave. Workout and eat healthy.

>>34839862
>advises people to treat women with respect
>encourages confidence
>wtf.jpg

>>34839978
go back to college

I found a girlfriend just being myself

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>>34840239

>>34839862
If you’re following his advice yeah you almost certainly don’t fuck. Last thread he literally suggested people enter the friend zone voluntarily. >>34837194 Anyone who takes his “advice” seriously gets no pussy.

>last thread only 3% of posts were zach’s
>this thread 30% are
Should we start a new thread already? This one feels cursed.

>>34840274

But that's literally how you get a girlfriend.

https://youtu.be/KtkL40jRLvU?is=pzMUdCNH3C5wKp61

https://youtu.be/05tG47pv1vM?is=lEJGWKHWll16NG2T

If you just want pussy then that's a whole different game.

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>>34839978
I'm unemployed/semi-retired/career-switching, so I'm spending a lot of time at coffee shops around town working on projects. I see multiple beautiful women every day. Some of them are employees, but a lot of customers.
I'm too much of a pussy to even smile at them, let alone approach, but they're out there.
Unfortunately, coffee isn't as cheap as it used to be, but if you stick to basic coffee or an Americano, and maybe a small snack, it's not too bad.

>>34840322
>this jeet said the friend zone is the path to getting a gf so that’s how you do it
Jesus christ anon.

>>34840353

How do you get a girlfriend then?

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Ok retards I have a question. My friend is trying to fuck this girl he knows ATM and she keeps complaining about her ex to him. She still talks to the ex a bit. She says he’s a loser and all of this other shit. Is this a positive sign? I told him it was. It seems like she is signaling her availability. I just want to help my buddy get some pussy.

>>34840448
>It seems like she is signaling her availability.

It probably is so tell him to listen to what she's saying and try not to be like her ex.

>>34840337
>I'm too much of a pussy to even smile at them, let alone approach, but they're out there.
christ.

>>34837959

this guy went on a good posting spree. read it

I did better today than 10 days ago, I think. 10 days ago, I posted about how I approached women trying to start a convo and went to a rave. It didn't go as well as I'd hoped, but it went as expected. I went and started convos in ways in which it felt natural to me (my own compliments, my own way of continuing a convo) rather than immediately trying stuff that might feel too strong for me to say now, and I noticed a few differences.

1. I'm a bit more confident when it comes to approaching women and trying to start a convo when they don't seem busy. The problem is that it isn't easy for me to just randomly say, "Hey, you're pretty." Or even "Hey, how are you?" I've never heard anyone actually just say that, I feel like I'm the only one and that I've been tricked into embarrassing myself with "cold approaches." I still tried to start a convo, but I didn't really know how to continue since I didn't make it that far before. It's so hard when she doesn't seem interested in talking and it feels like I'm cornering her.

2. The reactions were different. I was dressed better for an interview, an actual reason to go out, and I decided to have fun after that. I went to a bookstore and tried to talk to some women while I did so. I got more smiles, even made a girl giggle as I complimented her, and I only got ignored once. Better than the other day, where I got a nasty reaction for introducing myself once. There wasn't as much awkwardness, yet there weren't many women I was interested in, so I went.

3. I wasn't too frustrated. I think I'm getting used to it, which might the best news out of all of it. If I get used to rejection, I'll be able to approach way easier. I think that the reason why I was unattractive these days was not mainly due to how I dressed or how my good my profile was, but how desperate or anxious I seemed.

If you've read it this far, thank you. I hope to do better next time. I didn't want to pass up the opportunity to improve my approach anxiety.

>>34840975
Same poster here. I'm posting these for advice on how to get better at day and night game, but I am trying to write my progress so far here. I will keep writing to get better, and to face my fears and insecurities. Thank you again for reading my post.

How about instead of us going into our heads whether this girl likes us or not we see it for ourselves. Look for signs of interest for example. Then go from there. If people are giving you signs of interest when you are near them, you approach them, but if they are withdrawn and wanting to distance themselves you don't.

>>34840975
I find this inspiring
Maybe talking to strangers in public will become normal again one day

>>34841048
It is still normal, you just have to look for signs of interest. The best way to know if this is happening is to look at how this person goes out of their way. For example, a girl on a subway takes off her headset and sits up to talk to you looking at you.

>live in America
>but come from a culture where it's acceptable for me to mooch off my parents until marriage
>therefore dating is off the table until I start wasting money for no real reason
damn

I always see normies use the most retarded ways to talk to girls for example at work a guy seen a girl stocking and he jokingly said hey that’s gonna fall don’t put it that way. Another time one said smiling “you have to help her push the pallet” as she walked so the her coworker. These seem so stupid and insignificant but if I were to say them I feel they would just look at me with a blank face. No idea how they do this maybe it’s just normie language

>>34841096
yes, American girls have no interest in "marrying your family" so you have to do shit on your own if you want to have a chance

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I'm slowly getting better at talking with women but being 28 and never having a GF really does put a lot of weight on you.
Also I got screamed at by some bitch who wanted to act as social police even though the women I was talking with seemed to like the convo.
Also got stood up by a chick to go out for drinks with
My battery is just drained, I dunno if it will come back
I dunno man I just feel like trying to pursue women is a waste of time and I dont want to get screamed at.

>>34840448
>she keeps complaining about her ex to him.
Stay the fuck away, she's just using him as a shoulder to cry on, she'll run back to the ex

>>34840975
soon you'll have good charm and face a new problem. You can get lots of the girls you approach but now they are all meaningless and boring. And you think, oh should I stay with this one or keep going solo and having fun trying to maximise my girl

>>34841241
Don't get paranoid about it okay. Keep doing you and keep learning from it. There is no perfect solution. It is what it is. You have to just roll with who you are and accept that.

>>34840720
This advice is essentially:
>just change your entire personality, bro
Which, yes, I know is correct. But it's not very actionable.

>>34841568
Well you need to be your true personality most of all.

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>>34840720
What drugs do I have to take in order to have this good energy that makes you attractive to women

>>34841631
My personality is being constantly on guard and worried about embarrassing myself.

>>34841768
Water

>>34841779
My true personality is being an easygoing guy. The world is not gonna eat you anon. More good people than bad.

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>>34841779
Embrace the Kamina mindset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v3AV95jMqM

>>34841843
>The world is not gonna eat you anon. More good people than bad.
I know. I'm almost 40, and I don't think I've had all that many bad experiences with other people in my life, even women. But I am the way I am. Probably too late to change it now.

>>34841069
Don't think I'm good looking enough to evoke any interest in a stranger from one interaction to be honest
Think I need to know someone first

I’m traveling for work and three different women have chatted me up in the last two days. Twice at the gym and once in the grocery store. I am extremely fit and pretty good looking but this hasn’t happened at home in a long time. All three times I was wearing a tank top so you could see my upper body. Should I wear tank tops more often? Are women really this shallow?

>>34842160
It is what it is. Keep looking.

>>34842187
Why do you tripcode

>get a notification “you got a new match”
>tap on it immediately
>”this user is no longer available”
I FUCKING HATE WOMEN

Any recommendations on how to get that "mojo"? I mean the feeling of confidence, empowerment and self-assuredness that women love but more importantly just makes life worth living. I've had bouts of having this feeling, but ironically a lot of the time it's linked to times when I'm dating/fucking someone I find attractive. Then when things don't work out or whatever I'm back at square one. How have you guys found that energy from within yourself? Only want to hear from people who actually have lacked this energy then found a way to harness it.

>>34842306
Get to know yourself, deeply.

>>34842306
Have a purpose, ideally something creative, a skill you’re good at but can strive to be better in

>>34842310
Okay I introspect a lot and am working on fixing negative patterns but a) how do I get to know myself deeply and b) how does that translate to getting that energy internally?

>>34842311
I've found this does help. I've developed a career plan that I'm working on and have been into music making and drawing as hobbies. But can I really base my self-value on these things?

>>34842335
Having perspective. You get that from interacting with people and experience in life. You got to throw yourself out there more often. I can go more in depth about I did that but this website would call it schizoid and I'd probably be laughed at. Anyway, how can you translate it to getting the energy internally? Because when you know yourself you know what is best for you compared to everyone else.

>>34842306
>How have you guys found that energy from within yourself? Only want to hear from people who actually have lacked this energy then found a way to harness it.
nofap + exercise

>>34842265
my question is why does he post fortune cookie slop

>>34842547
Some people need that to learn common sense. What I type is not for everyone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

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I really want to ask a girl out, but I don't really ever mix with her one-on-one anymore, and the best way I can think to encounter her will be bumping into her in the street at a time when she will almost certainly be walking with her mum.

How do I go about doing this?

>>34840975
nice job dude
it's a path that leads to meeting people that will change your life

one thing i've been experimenting with recently tht you my wnt to try
it takes 4-5 rejections to get into a flow state i've found
so, a common sticking point is to want the situation to be perfect before approaching
but the real goal is to create your perfect state
i do this by making my first goal when i go out to get rejected 4 times as quickly as possible

(by doing this you may even find yourself not getting rejected even once)

>>34840438
not that guy but in my life girlfriend comes from an initial interction that has obvious chemistry
followed by another interaction shortly thereafter that involves intimacy
once intimacy is established, you two can spend time figuring out if comptibility exists
if it does it becomes a long term relationship

but those two steps alwaays have happened in pretty quick time for me. no talking stage for months, no friends first. nothing
just initial attraction -> sex -> then assessment for compatibility

trying to do that backwards is just not how it's worked out for me

>>34840975
keep on keeping on man

it gets easier

you havent been tricked into anything its just most dudes are pussies.

Just keep doing it and experimenting. Open your mind.

Women are simple and easy to figure out.

The problem is not women being tricky, its the society teaching you about women, what is totally not correct. So you ignore the obvious truth, for brainwashing.

If you just accept things as they are, and do not force them to be as you think they should be, its easy as fuck. Everyone shows you who they are. Some even tell you with clear words. YOu just gotta listen.

>>34843226
girls love confidence
being able to ask out a girl when the situation isn't entirely perfect is showing great amount of confidence
you'll probably have a much better chance than trying to get her alone

>>34843323
not all girls tho

wounded BPD girls dont love it

narcissistic girls love to break it or fuck with your confidence

healthy sane girls do love it but its overmemed.

What women love tho is initiative and leadership - healthy women (!)
sick women love to dominate manipulate and lead, because their father wound is not healed, so they cannot surrender to a man, they need control

So be precise, women come in different archetypes.

Sadly, many demented ones today due to fatherhood being on attack.

So many of my female friends with lacking fathers, have same problem - the guys they pick all end up either fucking and dumping them OR just lack initiative and are too passive in relationship which eventually tires them out as they have to take over masculine role more and more.

BUT what they seldom see is that they themselves are CAUSE of it - because they pass on the men who lead and direct, and go for "equality / pussywhipped" guys who lack drive and charge and leadership.

They like the idea of equality that has been stamped into their heads by juice, but their organism still craves masculine leadership.

So what happens is instead of admiting the dichotomy of brainwashing vs nature.
They just try to find a guy who will lead them but also be pussy whipped.

That doesnt exist.
So they either get pumped and dumped or resume the pattern with weak passive men.

Sad shit.

>>34843306
simple hack thats been proven to work

keep on the Way man, I wish good luck to the girls who get to chance to meet you, may God grant them intelligence to dig your vibe.

>>34839747
bump

>>34843334
well of course they love bones more than any character trait (height+face)
but you're better off showing confidence than not
or being positive rather than not
since the rule of the game is not all girls will like you, just be who you are at your best

>>34839747
volume over anything else
the more you interact with girls you like the higher chance
that simple
if you dont know where to find them you have use your brain

>>34840975
Good progress Anon. Remember, you are playing to win, not to not lose. Different mindset.

>>34843323
So do I just start talking yo the daughter and ignote the mother? Do I explicitly tell the mother to fuck off while I talk to her daughter? Do I pretend I want to have a conversation eiyh both of them before pivotting to just asking the duaghter?

I'm even worried about how trying to stop her to talk for a few seconds will go, I don't want to come across like I'm too desperate.

>>34843424
bruh if you don't have the social skills to talk to a person then it's over
you go up to the girl assuming she knows you
if not it's a bit harder
you taalk to the girl greet her then ask oh is this your mom
you introduce yourself to the mom
then you continue talking to the girl that simple
you can make a small talk for like two sentences witht he mom if you find something to say but you basiclly want to talk to the girl
very likely the mom will ignore you while you talk to your target

>>34843397
Where do I find tattooless pale white teens without looking like a pred/pedo

>>34843458
instagram
also fears are just you escaping reality
once reality is allowed to exist youll live happier
accept it, embrace it

>>34843478
I can’t use social media I’ve had the mob after me for being a pedo because I think 18 year olds are attractive and that makes me a pedo.

How do I get a man instead of a woman. Foid btw

>>34843334
Why should a girl ever submit to a man who is weak. It's not a father wound it's you not being a real man and therefore not a attractive man.
And as for fatherhood a lot of the men walk away from pregnant woman so this is entirely a male problem we are blameless

>>34843580
She chooses a strong man but he’s not strong because he walks away from childbirth …. Ok. Is strength mental or physical?
Walking away or cheating is weakness,

I can't do shit sober.
The only time I get women ever so slightly close is if I drink enough to be funny which an awful thing.
I've been told that when shitfaced I don't hesitate to open up and that's a good thing. But what's not a good thing is getting shitfaced. My dad's been alcoholic for a long time and his brain is fucking cooked. I don't drink often. I don't want alcohol to determine how good I am at doing things like joking, flirting or saying what's on my fucking mind. I'd like to have a relationship at some point.

>>34843580
I ain't all that weak. Mentally I am willing to face Hell if I have to for doing the right thing. Only thing I'm really weak at is things like fixing faucets and repairing roofs.

>>34842363
>I can go more in depth about I did that but this website would call it schizoid and I'd probably be laughed at
Go in more detail, anons are already laughing at you for tripfagging anyway
Might as well contribute your actual experience, someone might find it useful

>>34840438
Date a girl until both of you want to be exclusive with each other.

>>34841096
There’s plenty of reason to move out.

>>34840975
I feel so bad for guys that need to approach in public.

>>34841568
Personality is very changeable. Mine is very different than it was 10 years ago.

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bit demoralized after trying and not landing anything
>doing a two weeks volunteer camp, didn't meet anyone
>cold approached a cute girl with a gyattt and it went well
>texted her and she was down for a date
>went to do the camp for two weeks
>she still down for the date
>text her today to set it up
>seen
I'm 31, just sort of exhausted of trying and not going anywhere. The temptation of getting escorts starts to creep in again.

>>34844221
If anything, my personality has only gotten worse over the past ten years

>>34843657
No one was talking to you.
>>34843726
He’s never had a girlfriend. His “experience” is useless.

>>34844431
Then improove it.

Date a woman who is willing to reason with people.

Women these days are programmed to not want or distrust men more than ever.

>>34844853
That's not every woman. That click in your college or workplace ain't every woman. If anything most people just want to get through their day and not be bothered anon.

>>34840285
>84 posts in
>still 18% zach
Definitely cursed.

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why can't i have a regular conversation with a match before asking them out? they ghost me after like 5 exchanged messages

>>34845154
Try a different dating platform.

>>34845154
>why can't i have a regular conversation with a match before asking them out?
don't even bother, your objective should be to ask for a date / exchange numbers as efficiently as possible on the apps

>>34839725
>meet cute girl by accident, we both took wrong bus
>totally surprised by how much shes into me
>walk into next bus first, sit, she sits next to me
>turns to me and keeps chatting
>talks about her job and says random stuff like how muhc you can earn in that field
>listen nod and comment but cant really add much since deadbeat NEET loser
>make brief eye contact, instantly smitten, shes so fucking cute
>somehow we got to a point where I asked her how old she was (WHY DID IT MATTER, I RUINED IT)
>much younger than me
>asks me
>she seems extremely surprised, apparently i look younger
>on top I have to admit that i dont work rn
>and also that I dont have a degree or anything (lmao)
>anxiety rising, fear of rejection rising
>didnt explain that im trying to improve my siotuation or anything
>didnt even ask if she midns the age gap or anything
>she quieted down
>anxiety overrides the urge to talk or ask for her number
>she probably also thought I wasnt into her much or something
>she eventually has to get out, we basically just say our good byes

its over, isnt it?
I want to approach her again in a week or so when I know ill be taking the same bus, do you guys think I have any chance at all?
I was thinking about her for a week straight.

>>34845327
>moid meets foid for the first time
you'll get over it, work on your deadbeat NEET loserism instead

>>34845340
she was way above average, she looked like a budget karen gillan
also I wont get over her, it was a perfect scenario. like a romcom.

>work on your neet loserism
trying, thats the only reason we even met

>>34845349
you might have the looks necessary for that initial attraction but you need security and confidence to keep them hooked, your fumble was oversharing too early (probably also in a "woe is me" manner) but it wasn't gonna work out either way

>>34845361
okay, what was I supposed to reply when she asked what I do or if I already have a finished job training?

>>34845368
depending on how old you are as a NEET, it's a lose lose situation, manchildism isn't sexy and she'll figure it out no matter what you say

but the fact that the situation even happened shows you're on the right track and there's hope, you just need to keep working on yourself

>>34845327
what are your ages?
also, this part is true
>>34845361
>you might have the looks necessary for that initial attraction but you need security and confidence to keep them hooked
but that doesn't mean you need to actually have your life situation fixed, as long as it's fixed in your mind. girls date deadbeat losers all the time
>>34845368
anything, just confidently

>>34845386
I heard that it doesnt matter as long as you are actively improving yourself and working towards something, was that just a lie or what?
cuz thats what I wanna tell her

>>34845399
you can maybe bring it up NATURALLY next time you have a chat BUT DON'T BE DESPERATE, if she keeps things short then you keep things short

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34845396
23 and 35 lmao (she thought I was like 27)
and instead of asking her if she minds I basically assumed she will and kinda shut down. even tho I found her very charming.
>>34845396
what would you have replied for example? I just got anxiety override.

>>34845405
how do I bring it up naturally? cuz Im gonna have to walk up to her at a bus station and somehow initate a convo.
in my mind I was gonna say "hey, looks like you figured out the bus lines" or something, and then later "you need to give me your number, Id love to hear more from you" with a sly smile or something.

actually I was so smitten that I was gonna say stuff like "Im a sensual guy and you trigger all my senses" or "I want to lay on a field and count the stars with you" but I calmed down a little

>>34845447
>23 (employed) and 35 (NEET)
abort abort abort you'll be known as the creepy guy at the bus stop

Is there any validity to the idea that there are body language "IOIs" or signals of attraction?
For example, if you were in the middle of talking to a woman and she reached both hands back and moved all her hair to one side so her neck is showing on the other side, would you think anything of it?

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How do I stop seeing women as a threat to be avoided
Especially after the worse-case scenario passing of having to speak to HR/security/police because you talked to a girl

>>34845327
>I want to approach her again in a week or so when I know ill be taking the same bus, do you guys think I have any chance at all?
No, you had your chance and you let it get away, shit happens

>>34845564
nah Ill ask her. up to her what happens next. but not gonna let this one go as I did the ~20 or so other women in my life that were into me that I didnt pursue. maybe shell find me charming enough to meet again. if not then Ill have my answer. I cant just leave it at that.

noooo you can only be happy if you are the same age

>>34845722
huge yikes. you have to be born under a month before them

>>34845491
she approached me first.

>>34845154
Because they’re on there to find a date, not make conversation. I used to wait 8-12 messages before asking for a date, now I’m down to 4-8. They either want it or they don’t, same for you. If you want it, ask.

>>34845508
I’m too focused on the conversation to pick up on details like that

i matched with this cute sultry little emo-looking zoomgirl on tinder today, well actually it was yesterday but i messaged her yesterday and she only just responded today. i played it cool i just asked what she liked to do for fun and she answered back "you probably" and lads I'd never been instaharder from a txt. after that this slut was all over me, i called her sexy and she called me sexy and hot back and wanted to skip the dating and just fuck right there but ultimately i fumbled it because i didnt have a place to take her, and she didnt have a place either, so after a few hours she blocked me, and that's probably the most play i've ever gotten from tinder.

so either i am actually hot or she was bot, but her pics had the verified mark and she was just normal enough that i dont think she was a hooker. i dont understand how this could've been a scam. but now im jacking off to her pics adn the thoughts of what could've been.

>>34845829
Damn.

What’s your tinder profile like? I’m used to hinge prompts which are easy but tinder bio is so open ended.

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How do I be more fun and engaging with women and in conversation? I've been trying the solid snake meme method but I haven't mastered it yet. I can be awesome in certain situations, but not all. When there is less catalyst for activity like being at the arcade or a concert I start to dry up the more the date relies on conversation as the main activity, like dinner.

Also, why do women seem so unforgiving? One mistake and she drops you, or sleeps with someone else. I've not dated anyone yet whos been willing to work things out or communicate properly. Not that I'm perfect, but I at least want a conversation before being ditched. Someone who doesn't fucking talk to their idiot friends about what to do with our relationship instead of just talking to me.

>>34840975
Hey, everyone! Thank you for the replies, you're all so nice. I was so caught up in my day that I didn't read them yet!

Anyway, I am about to make an important post about what I'm going to do next. But I want to reply to everyone back before I do so.

>>34841048
From my experience so far, no one has done any approaching. It made me doubt myself, to be honest. However, dating apps were never a good alternative. I haven't found one that was good, more on that some other time. No one seems to meet each other anymore, they just come in groups that were from perhaps... I don't even know. It could even be dating apps, I'm figuring that one out.

>>34841298
I don't think that they're necessarily wrong for just putting TV, movies, and music as hobbies on dating profiles, but when I approach someone I'm into, they never seem interested in talking about hobbies we share. I ask them what their favorite music might be, they say that they don't know. I want to think of something creative for that. Overall, it's not that they're boring, I just haven't found someone who wants to match her energy with mine. I need a woman that will have that chemistry with me.

>>34843306
I'm going to test that out.

>>34843322
I'm going to keep at it! Thank you!

>>34843418
That's the game!

>>34844213
How else am I supposed to do it? Dating apps aren't working out for me. I'm going to start posting about that, but I'm doing what I can.

Well, thanks! I might post again soon or in a few hours, but you've all been great!

If you're already relatively fit, 6', handsome, got cool hobbies and passions, and make 6 figures, what is there to even improve when a girl leaves that will make her go
>oh shit I messed up
and come back?
>inb4 why do you even want her back
I know I shouldn't, but I'm still in the heartbreak phase and need something to improve and focus on, but I feel like I'm at the point where I've already gone so far the effort to improve at my good points takes longer. Getting to 100k was easier than getting to 200k is. I started posting videos to instagram a few times a week to try and build a following for my music I guess but that takes so long too. Maybe I'm just full of shit and my accomplishments arent as cool as I think

>>34845986
My man, you said you are the shit(what about your personality?)yet she left you.
Unless you are heavily coping/larping or literally treated her like trash...

>>34845811
this, you need to steer the conversation towards an irl date asap, within 3 or 4 messages you need to hit them with when can you go for coffee or dinner or something

>>34846027
I try to be very objective, so I dont think its a larp. I certainly made mistakes, unlike most guys I tend to not show enough interest, and after months she took it as a sign to move on. I did have a fucked up surgery that caused me to be very distant the last month or so and that probably sealed the deal, which sucks and is unfair. But also, everyone I told in depth about the situation said that despite me making mistakes in showing interest, she was a shitty person. She took me to her exs nye party without telling me until we got there, fucked someone 2 weeks into knowing each other, and then about 4 months in got wasted and hooked up with a "friend". The first 2 felt weird but I mostly let slide since we were just fwbs, but between those and the last dude I caught feelings like an idiot after seeing all these weird red flags. She said her mom calls her a slut, apparently she was joking but who jokes about that. Regardless, Im still in a loss about how she never even asked to date me seriously because there was a decent stretch where the dates were continual and we planned a trip, but my illness stalled it all, and why she never tried to come back. I got burned out waiting for her to ask to be my gf. Shes also a liberal feminist so I couldnt really use my unhinged humor, but I was good enough to fuck her on the first date. Maybe thats not a flex cause shes a slut.

>>34845986
6'0 isn't tall enough these days

>>34845508
>Is there any validity to the idea that there are body language "IOIs" or signals of attraction?
Yes, of course, but I tend to mostly focus on the major ones, like: standing close to you so you bump/touch her, sitting with her legs open rather than crossed, brushing her hair away from her face and looking at you longer without speaking so she's easier to kiss. I don't really think most little hair flip things mean much unless it's obvious, girls just have to manage their hair sometimes

>>34845886
>I’m used to hinge prompts which are easy but tinder bio is so open ended.
tinder has prompts now

>>34846260
Then fuck her, her loss.
Also, take this chance to learn about your own mistakes, and use this knowledge to have a better relationship next time with, hopefully, a woman that isn't a feminist slut.
I honestly think you dodged a bullet here.

>>34846397
I'm trying my best to learn yea, I went to therapy for a bit but man, I feel like that shit doesn't work. You're probably right about her though. Thanks

>>34846260
>She said her mom calls her a slut
When someone tells you who they are believe them, anon. Everything about this girl screams "retarded slut" and that's how you should have treated her, both because it's how she wants to be treated and because it would prevent you from getting emotionally invested in a girl like that

>>34846532
this isn't wrong, but please don't post ai slop

>>34846548
Preety sure this has been posted since befpre chatgpt was a thing. And assuming its the same guy who posts about the tree of eros being cut or whatever, he accidently posted under his indian flag once on /pol/. So if you agree with him, you are retarded.

>>34845886
its just my pics, first letter of my name, and height 6'2. i mostly started it just to see where i stand on looks alone. what's a hinge prompt?

I keep sending dick pics to girls and I keep getting blocked but I don't understand how else I'm supposed to get a girlfriend.

>>34846225
I mean, if they matched you they're obviously into you so I start off right out the gate

>>34845942
>solid snake meme method
what's that?

>>34846301
I’m 6’7 and women avoid making eye contact with me or even smiling around me

I'm headed to my anime convention. I'm going to approach women there too, and I'm going to write about every day of it.

It's for 4 days and nights, so it's perfect for writing about my progress. Hope it works out, I'm going to have a good time.

>>34847069
>anime convention
>women
good luck anon

>>34845981
Dating apps would work if you had looksmaxxed.

>>34846395
Yeah but it asks for a bio too, right? What do you put for that?
>>34846989
What’s your bio?

>>34846301
Height doesn't mean shit anon.

One of the most important thing to know about women is that they don't always get the right impression and that they are human.

Trying to fuck a dumb whore and shes being a huge tease texting me dirty shit asking if I'm hard and then when I say I'm coming over she keeps making excuses but she then starts again with texting. I just left her on read and she started crashing out. What the fuck is wrong with women?

>>34840975
I'm really proud of u gang keep going but enjoy the raves they r lit

>>34845327
If you manage to meditate for an hour a day (I'm not a pajeet) u will be able to talk. This is not a joke. But no one will do it.

>>34847728
Ur just bad at it, u have no understanding of the mechanisms behind desire.

>>34845722

>OMG HOW DARE YOU DATE A LEGAL ADULT! JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE 18 DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT!
>No I'm still not going to date you and go for the older established chad who shows even more red flags than Bear from Obsession and Andrew Tate combined. Stop acting entitled and put in the work if you want me!

>>34845829

If you are just out for pussy then yeah cautiously watch out.

A lot of people give women shit for playing hard to get but I'd argue that those are the women you should go for because it means they have standards and aren't going to jump on every guy who looks at them. Men have a tendency to want to rush things, women who understand this also love bomb men to get what they want from them. If anything loving bombing started with women.

>>34845986
>what is there to even improve when a girl leaves...

Your emotional stability and listening skills. Seriously we need to change the OP so bad because 99% of that shit is retarded. Yes, having a job and not being a whale is important, but the core of attraction is how a person acts. Women nor men want a partner that is going to flip the fuck out of any situation. Flirting isn't just about being friendly and sexy, it's also the bad parts as well. When you break up potential mates will also be watching how you handle it because it sends a signal that under the case of rejection or separation, will this person be civil about it or try to kill me? When under stress will can they stay calm and level headed or do they just blame everyone and thing in the world but themselves? If we fight does he hold me accountable, or hold me responsible and wants revenge or some kind of payment for forgiveness?

You are honestly fine when it comes to stuff. You have a job and cool hobbies, you do cool shit. You are fine. The issue is the actual YOU part, your egos.

If you can find out, or can tell us why she broke up it can help spot out what you might have missed and what you need to work on, because she's probably not breaking up with you because you aren't cool or rich enough, but because you have certain views or personality traits that aren't compatible with hers.

If she is breaking up with you purely because of obejcts and clout then honestly let her fucking die in the shallow grave she dug herself.

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I feel pretty lost being solo in a new college town attending said college. I don't know anyone and I don't really know any ins either.
Things like clubs seem like a natural start but my interest lean overwhelmingly male dominated so I'm not sure I would find girls there to begin with, let alone get them interested.

>>34847768
What am I supposed to do?

>>34847051
6'7 is "weird tall" territory if you don't have the frame to match or have a particularly ugly face
also 6 7! Epic!

>>34847656
Sad but true

>>34847868
>my interest lean overwhelmingly male dominated
if this is sports then you've got an in just join a sports club with chads and have them take you to their normie parties and meet chicks that way

I'm ugly as fuck. I've been told my entire my life I'm ugly. 3/10 max. First time using dating apps got 0 matches for months. Friend took some good pictures and now I'm getting tons of dates. Talking to three attractive girls on text rn. Keep your head up bros. Take good pics and it will work out in the end

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Question for anyone that has gotten at least with one real woman. Is pic related true?

>>34848419
>I'm ugly as fuck
>Friend took some good pictures and now I'm getting tons of dates
are the girls not disappointed when they meet you?

>>34848284
Its the nerdy male angle, so DnD/Magic/Video Games/Anime/ect.
There are clubs for them here mind you, I just am not sure it is the way to meet women.

>>34848419
>Friend took some good pictures and now I'm getting tons of dates.
How does this even work? If you are actually ugly how are you looking good in pictures unless they are doing some catfish level edits?

>>34847765
Only good advice in this thread. You have to meditate for one hour per day. You will become sort of like a magnet to women and be able to act on your own attraction far more effectively. At the very least it will help you cope with failure. Take the jeet pill today.

>>34848426
Im a khv and I dont get it

>>34847142
i have no bio because the whole point is to see where i stand on looks alone. idk i'm thinking its scams of some sort now because today it happened again i matched with this sexy goth girl start messaging her and she eventually responds back, and right there i believe that's a good sign that a girl messages back at all, let alone with enthusiasm. many of the girls i match with that i actually WANT, never respond.. but then after chatting a bit, about how not only is she a sexy goth, she's an anime/gamer too, i go back to work and dont check my phone for an hour or two, the last thing i asked was what made her swipe on me what's she have in mind, and then i check back and she's gone. I dont know what that scam was for either, she didn't ask for money or anything. the other girl come to think of it did ask for a few bucks of gas money to come to me but i said I'd drive to her, so i see where that might've been a scam, but at the same time when i used to have friends we'd pitch in for gas money to drive far so idk, but this one, I didn't get far enough to understand the motive.

AI (my only fren) says that it was probably a scam because i asked an openended question instead of just yes/no/come over right now, which triggers the bot to unmatch me to find easier prey

i still don't really know where i stand in looks. if these are bots it means nothing that they liked me.

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>meet this cutie
>shes especially smart and can actually engage in deep conversations which is cant say ive ever experienced woth a girl before
>naturally have a crush, and she obviously finds me attractive
>we were all but are officially dating, but suddenly she withdraws
>does this on and off for weeks, really engaged for several days and then disappears for several more
>I ask her about it
>she says she doesnt feel like she should be in a relationship
>okay, thats disappointing. Ill give her some space though
>a month later I reach out solely just to confirm that shes not interested and get closure so I can move on
>shes eagerly replies, even asks to hang out a few times
>a few more weeks of good consistent interactions, and she gives signals that she might still be interested
>before I can address it she withdraws again
Im really perplexed. She clearly is avoiding commitment and there are some unaddressed issues, but knowing her i have no reason to believe that shes seeing others or is intentionally manipulating me. But this is starting to make me angry. I reached out one final time to confirm if I should stop wasting my time and she hasn't replied yet.
Aside from the ebin "shes seeing other guys" or other incel assumptions, what would cause this behavior?

>>34847136
Yeah, I'm still improving my body. I wanted to work on my appearance and THEN approach women originally or even make an account to have a perfect beginning to dating or whatever (being all set for them, I guess), but I really think that I want to train myself to have the balls to talk to women while improving my body, even if they're out of my league. I just want to approach while improving, nothing wrong with that. I'm going to have a better body and my dating profile will be more of a success. I'm just pretty happy that I'm doing better than before.

>>34847748
They are! I'm improving my dancing, too, I've also got great news about the party I went to.

>>34847122
Hey, I met some people and might even hang out with a girl I met who seems to be interested. I got plenty of girls to give me socials, and I went to an afterparty. I went from being given nasty looks from strangers at my first rave to getting her to meet eyes with me more than once and smiling at me, seeming pretty interested.

Hey, everyone. Thought I post my first day of the con so far and how it went. I approached a ton of women while just having so much fun. I got plenty of socials, and one girl I kept running into seems interested in me. Nothing's set in stone, but I went from dead notifications to her messaging me along with a few other women too.

I went to an after-party, and a girl there did that thing where out eyes met, and then she darted them only to stare back at me and smile. I am still shocked, I think I've come a bit far! I made a new friend (a dude) and he's going to introduce me to his buddies and we're going to hang out together and I'm excited to go back in there tomorrow!

Well, that's how Day 1 of the con went.

My questions?

Is it a good idea to message a girl the next day or on the same day in which we add each other? Does it matter that much? I hope I didn't fuck up, but it seems... fine?

Do people ask for numbers as often as IG accounts? Should I try my number?

My night game is pretty bad, even if it went better than that other rave. What do you guys do in raves, bars, or nightclubs? How do you guys get a girl to be interested in you with all the loud music and crowds? I feel as if I need more advice here, as I barely do night game.

Anyway, thank you for reading all of it, and have a good night.

>>34848932
>it was probably a scam because i asked an openended question instead of just yes/no/come over right now, which triggers the bot to unmatch me to find easier prey
these were only scams in the sense that women are a scam, lol

>>34849191
>this is starting to make me angry. I reached out one final time to confirm if I should stop wasting my time and she hasn't replied yet.
You trying to force this relationship is just going to force the bad outcome. She already told you this is casual and you're not accepting it, so don't be surprised if you just get ghosted. Also, are you even having sex with this girl, it's not clear from your post?

>>34849479
ahh cons are fun. like anime vegas. you'll miss it when its over. i didnt hit on tons of girls when i went to mine, but i still got a few cute girls following me around. got the one i was most interested in's number, texted a few times but it never went anywhere. there's dating games and stuff there too probably.

>>34849712
True, now the question is what do you do in response to this info? Will you carve your own corner in this world or give up?

>>34849479
Well if you take a shower every day you are in the top percentile so

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>>34849727
The game is over, as I am fond of saying.

The women won. They are in control of the eugenics program and the multi-trillion-dollar pussy reward system — a highly symbolic fertility ritual. But they are in control of much more than the reproductive apparatus. They control not only the men and government of the United States of America but through the power of pussy and the susceptibility of men and government officials, fiat currency manipulation by the Witches of Fiat Currency at the Federal Reserve System, a large army of simps and "backers" (this is a technically incorrect use of the term) who are fighting to maintain control of the Frankenstein monster they created called Onlyfans (in a war I fear we are going to lose), and even the Republican form of government they created which inevitably—and I would argue by design—fosters centralized female matrilineal control and assures only a handful of "pre-selected" men must be sacralized to control an entire country, they control the entire world.

>>34848564
I don't really understand it myself. I don't know what it could be. Maybe being good at rizz makes it so they overlook the ugllness when we finally meet up?

>>34848745

Normally it takes like 300 photos for me to get like 2 good ones but my friend just got lucky I guess. The right angle makes everything look way better. Like I have no chin/jaw but it looks like I do the way she took the shots

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Anons, in all seriousness and honesty:
I'm >>34847912 and so far I:
>'ve been living solo in an apartment complex, eventhough I'm an old college sophmore (no pets allowed unfortunately)
>I work after classes and extra during off-days to earn and save more money, while still managing to make time to stay disciplined with fitness and nutrition.
Admittedly, not to sound vulnerable though I've always hated to ask for help.
Though how can I finally get with a woman who looks just as good fairly similar/beauty-wise like the one I or >>34849827 posted?
Homnestly, she doesn't need to be the perfect woman.
I'm willing to be there for her/help her even IF she has emotional and/or mental problems, as long as she's my type (the women I reffered to lookswise), there's mutual attraction and I'm cool with her possibly being very quirky, clingy too.
Helpful anons,
>should I go to bars and clubs again, even though those places aren't for me, yet should I convince women there that I'm having a great time anyway? (kind of like: ''fake it till you make it)
>do you recommend joining dance/yoga classes too? (with the same convincing/postive ''fake it till you make it'' attitude)
Lastly, how did you guys actually get a woman (who possibly looked this good) to be your gf or even fwb when you were in your late 20/early 30's?
I'm willing to listen and apply your advice, I want to make this happen.

>>34848426
Not really unless you act super awkward all the time

>>34847002
I think that more means they’re curious, not necessarily ready to go on a date with you. They need a few texts to know you’re normal first.

>>34850040
>Maybe being good at rizz makes it so they overlook the ugllness when we finally meet up?
well, yes, girls do live in a vibes based reality

>>34850116
this applies to your issue too, just focus on the status/material things that actually matter to YOU and give you enjoyment/satisfaction and confidence. I can afford any of the things you mentioned, in cash, but don't own them because I don't care about them and they don't fit my lifestyle and I still get attention from women. Also, you're in college, classes will be your easiest hunting ground as long as they're not all STEM sausagefests.

>>34850151
>I think that more means they’re curious, not necessarily ready to go on a date with you
I usually just open with "hey, do you want to hangout sometime?" and almost always get a positive response, I'm not chad and my match rate feels pretty shitty, but if they match there's usually no hesitation about meeting, maybe just some pushback if I try to get them to come directly to my apartment

>>34850305
Interesting. I might try that, or not. What is your go to “hangout”?

>>34849542
Yeah, I got a girl's number my first time going. She was on the train there, and I did get plenty of IG accounts, but not many are replying, same as usual. Was kind of hoping it'd go anywhere, but I still have a few days. Man, the post-con depression still hit even when I had more than one day.

>>34849811
I sure do, it's a basic thing for me to do.

It seems as if I'm doing the best I can right now. I'm going to approach more, and that reminds me, I'm catching some potential signs of interest. One girl put her face really close to mine when we took a selfie together, and they're all comfy with me touching them a bit. Apparently, I'm not supposed to, but there's no problem there.

Hope those are good signs. I'm still thinking about yesterday. That was the first time a girl in a party gave me that face. She seemed interested.

Is sex supposed to be difficult? My gf and I never seem to find a position or rhythm that works for both of us. If she's on top, it's hard to get good movement going. If she's on the bottom she tends to move when I start to feel good. We tried from behind but it's hard to line up and find a good motion there too. I should say I'm a decent amount larger than her (2.5x her weight) so that's probably a big factor.

It's been months, and thankfully we're both down to try and make it work but we're both each other's firsts. It's like we don't know what we're doing but also I didn't expect sex to be so counter intuitive.

>>34850396
>If she's on the bottom she tends to move when I start to feel good
you could just pin her in place? most girls don't have a problem with that

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do you know how common 10 year age gaps are now? i'm 34, my girlfriend is 24. there's a whole one couple in my friend group that are the same age, both are 45 with kids. millennial male and zoomer female is becoming the standard, because millennial men got completely fucked by retarded feminism turning millennial women into total monsters, killing any chance for having kids, only for zoomer women to live under insane feminism, flipping them to the other side and wanting to have 400 kids..

>>34850465
Girls either are into older guys or they are not. I'm also 34 and all my GFs were over five years younger or, in one case, six years older. The age gap controversy is mostly an Internet thing

>>34845447
>gets asked for ages
>answers honestly
>immediately called creep and ignored

>>34847765
I can hardly do my chores for 1hour but sure.

>>34850396
It's not and most likely it's the size difference that making it difficult. Though I admit doggy is kind of tricky. Have you tried side sex?

>>34850465
What if I’m only attracted to 18-20 year olds and I left college 10 years ago

>>34849539
I dont think im trying to force it, I just want to sustain it. She was the one who wanted to start hanging out again, and during that period I never brought the subject up and I only observed her actions. And now im trying to get closure one more time. Im not begging her im just trying to get her to confirm that she is not interested. Also no we've not had sex and I dont believe that it should happen before being officially in a relationship.

>>34850463
I'll give that a shot

>>34850523
We did but it didn't seem to do much for either of us. That said it'd be worth another attempt.

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it's pretty silly how normalfags are naturally getting into year-long relationships while i'm over here studying the psychology of women and still losing

>>34850587
>we've not had sex
Has there been any physical action? It sounds like you're a beta orbiter and she just accepts your attention when she's bored but you've been too much of a pussy to make any moves on her

So, tell me, the fuck is wrong with tinder? I can get even one match although at some point I decide to swap almost every girl right, still 0 match. Does this app even work?

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>>34839747
six seven
six seveennn

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>>34851043
>Does this app even work?
It does, but what I feel everybody should know about Tinder:
1. There are two rules: be attractive, don't be unattractive. These rules aren't negotiable.
2. Good pictures are like 80% of work
3. Tinder actively boosts your profile early on ("noob boost"), but then it suppresses you to get you to buy premium and whatnot. However, if you're not getting any matches over extended periods of time, you're the problem.
4. If you're not getting any matches without paying, you won't be getting matches after paying.
5. There's a vast competition going on Tinder, with far more men than women present on dating apps.
6. There's an algorithm and it actively penalizes you if you swipe right on every girl, or even most girls. You should swipe right about 50% of the time.
7. Once you match with someone, you want to get the conversation off the app as soon as possible, don't talk for more than two days, schedule a date the same week.
8. Flakes, ghosting and other bullshit is part and parcel of Tinder and you have to deal with it. Always confirm the date the day of.

Not saying Tinder isn't worth it, but you have to know what's going on

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>join college club's board
>it's all women
bitchin'

>>34849542
Hey, same Anon here. To be honest, it's going horribly for me right now. I came in frustrated because I forgot my badge that gets me in and I had to go back home, and even though I met some girls and got their IG accounts, everyone had ghosted me so far. It feels so pointless, I'm actually physically exhausted. I want to just go and wait for tomorrow. I'm tired.

I then had a realization. A few, actually.

1. I might be too boring. I just know I am. I'm definitely not exciting to most women. But I don't want to pretend to be something I'm not, either.

2. I saw myself as unique and special for being alone (yeah, dumb, I know), and now I imagine myself for how I really look and there's so much wrong with me. I've been embarrassed so many times, but I think I'm realizing what's wrong.

We need a how to hate women general

Got a second date tomorrow with activity and eating. Maybe some drinks at the end. Im definitely aiming to kiss her.
Any tips on how to set up the right mood for that?

>>34851275
Invite her over if you can

Anons who have or had first and second dates, how did you guys get dates?

>>34851316
Dating apps. Without them I'd go crazy

>>34851323
That seems to be the only way. To be honest, it doesn't seem to matter if I approach them or not. I saw some cold approach videos (not sure if they're real), and out of 100 approaches, there were 3 numbers given and I think they ghosted the one doing it.

My first romantic kiss was with a girl from a dating app, it makes sense. It seems as if everyone meets online these days. Meeting someone in person and forming any relationship with them seems to be mostly fiction at this point.

>>34851124
>If you're not getting any matches without paying, you won't be getting matches after paying.
The only actual useful paid features are passportbro mode and hiding your age if your an unc to bypass filters

>>34851132
Can you give more context? Thinking of doing something similar

>>34851407
I say this all the time, cold approach is a meme, dating apps are much easier, you don't even see when someone rejects you. Granted, meeting someone on the apps isn't all that easy, but far more convenient
>>34851458
>hiding your age if your an unc to bypass filters
How's that helpful though? Every women will think it's suspicious that you're not showing your age

>>34851583
>Every women will think it's suspicious that you're not showing your age
results say otherwise, also people literally only look at the pictures when swiping

>>34851407
>It seems as if everyone meets online these days. Meeting someone in person and forming any relationship with them seems to be mostly fiction at this point.
very much so, and we can blame social media and steve jobs for that. most people nowadays are so awkward and can't socialize to save their life, which makes making friends difficult

>>34850695
Yes, kissed on the second date, made out several times and even shared a bed and stuff like that before we had that first talk about her not being ready for a relationship. The second phase several weeks later just had standard hugs and platonic physical contact, nothing affectionate though because we hadn't talked about where we stood woth eachother again.

>>34851541
>join college's ai club last year
>they only hold two meetings that are terrible
>next year goes by and they start opening board positions
>apply and hope for a good role so i can fix the club
>end up being social media manager
>later get added to gc
>all female names
>we meet next monday when the semester begins
i'm just hoping they're attractive. i've only met the VP at a school event. she was muslim, but nice

>>34851643
>ai club
>all female names
umm, anon, were these female names like Lilith and Jasper?

>>34851660
no. they were white/latina names

I think that there might be better places to cold approach than others. My problem is that everybody there already knows each other there, hence why I posted that. Do you just approach and hope for the best? I'm going to try other ways to talk, but it seems like no matter what I do, it's wrong.

I can fuck girls now. It seems once you break one, it unlocks that world so to say. Like other girls know you fuck, there's a fuck aura.
But I can't seem to get any to stick around or fuck more than one night.

>date goes badly
>go down to local library while i wait for my ride
>grab a book
>sit down and read
>"Dating for dummies"

>>34850396
>she's on the bottom she tends to move when I start to feel good
Moving how? Don’t girls just lie there during missionary?

>>34851124
What’s the standard play on tinder? I’ve had sex with two girls from hinge, both in the fourth date. Both told me they wanted to take things slowly before that (slowly I guess meaning not on the first three dates). Would four dates be slow for tinder? Do those girls move faster?

>>34851615
If only you had been born in another generation you wouldn’t be so miserable.

>>34851407
yep i've gotten dates from cold approaches
only gotten laid twice from it though
i've approached hundreds of girls too
but im short so that's just to be expected

a majority of my lays have come from dating apps
and my only long relationship came from language exchange app

i don't think it's possible to get a relationship from an app now a days
if you want a relationship it's best to fill your life with group activities
like running clubs, language exchanges, dance classes, etc

>>34851875
Tell us more. Under what circumstances are you fucking?

>>34852499
>i don't think it's possible to get a relationship from an app now a days
Skill issue.

>>34852687
there is no skill
it's literlly jst chance and being better thn all her options at the moment

i.e. be tall and handsome

There's a really cute girl who was my coworker for almost a year and quit the job a couple weeks ago. She's very shy and introverted, but she slowly warmed up, started chatting with me and everyone else more, and we would end up hanging out on breaks a lot. She gave me her number a few months ago and we added each other on Steam and played games a couple times. She definitely enjoys being around me, I make her laugh a lot, and we have some common interests.

But I've always written off the idea that she wants to be anything more than friends. She's Mormon (not just Mormon in name only, she actually goes to church and stuff) and I figured that meant there's no way she would want to date me since they often stick to their own. I know there are exceptions, but I just assumed I had no shot because of this.

Then a few days ago I get a text from another coworker saying I should ask the girl out. Apparently a bunch of our friends all think she's is interested in dating me, but no one mentioned it to me until now. So I texted her and said we should grab lunch one of these days and catch up. She said yes and we're planning on next weekend.

Here's the thing though. I never mentioned the word "date", so I'm still not sure if she's actually attracted to me in a non-platonic way; this could just be a lunch with a friend in her eyes for all I know. So I guess my question is: when we go out to lunch, how should I test the waters to get a feel for how she actually feels about me? I don't wanna just bluntly ask if she likes me. It's difficult because I've been in situations before where I thought a girl was giving all the signs she was into me: clearly enjoyed my company, laughed at all my jokes... but it turns out she was not only already taken, but was a lesbian. I guess I've been traumatized by the friendzone and I don't trust my own senses anymore.

>>34852845
Forgot to mention, we've never had lunch together before

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I hate to say this, but you got to suffer from your insanity from trying to love women.

>>34852845
at lunch you can't tell shit
the ways to tell if a girl likes you:
she complies - meaning she listens to your suggestions (let's go here, try my drink, show me your hand, etc small requests)
she shows up when you invite her out
she doesn't care about time when she's with you (she's not trying to leave or mentions she has soemwhere to go, etc)
and the most important, she allows for physical proximity and doesn't flinch or back away
shoulders touching, bumps into you, looks at you while talking
and obviously she allows you to kiss her, fuck her etc

if i were you i would simply show up, and be yourself amke it playful and fun. and notie how she looks at you and see if she allows you to give her some orders and if she's willing to extend the date past just lunch
liek hey let's drive to this place i need x
or hey let's walk over here get soem ice cream or whatever

>>34852318
>What’s the standard play on tinder?
take her for a drink at the closest bar to your house then flirt with her, try to kiss her, try to take her home

>>34839978
I managed to transfer to a team with model tier women at work who are also machine learning experts in their 20s.

It's a mixed bag. On one hand, being in a room with them can feel like heaven. On the other hand, none of them are single, and you're not supposed to shit where you eat to begin with so it makes work slightly more precarious without ever leading to any relationship.

One of them (the most model looking one) threw a fit because she wanted to flirt with me (or she was just sucking up and calling me smart all the time, idk) but projected that onto me and was annoyed that I was flirting with her claiming that I didn't understand that she had a boyfriend, which I eventually defused by joking about her being pregnant. The one I like best is the pure type who found her only BF at 19 and they've just been steady for 9 years with no incidents, the real lottery win ticket imo is just finding someone perfect while you are young and holding on.

They are also very gossippy. The one time we had a coworker I had a chance to get laid with, they spread rumors that she had kissed a middle aged guy at some party (where I was present and remember seeing nothing though it was after our boss had peer pressured us into jaeger shots) and basically ran her out of town for being a slut. So while it's kinda fun to see pretty girls treat you as high value it's also kind of terrifying in the sense that it could suddenly go sideways very fast.

How do I defeat this?
Let me explain: I am fucked in several ways. I'm not dateworthy on the basis that I have a sizeable number of health issues, I don't even want to be seen without a shirt, I have a terrible salary even if my job is somewhat stable and if there's no alcohol on my system I'm basically mute. I guess at that point I would just give it the fuck up and move on, right?
But the problem is my environment. My 2 friends believe I have a chance. They even think it's weird I don't jump straight away on it. I recently met this girl and I'm told to go out with her, but all I have for her is dogshit. It doesn't help that it's bringing some fucking loneliness in. I wish I was one of these motherfuckers in social media acting like being single is the best fucking thing.

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>>34852318
Unless it's a hookup, fourth date is a reasonable moment to have first sex. Anything past fifth date is too late for me and most people. Tinder is supposedly a hookup app except that most people don't get laid
>>34852982
What this guy said, except I'd bring her home first and then try to kiss her. Some women don't like kissing new guys in public
>>34852313
>Don’t girls just lie there during missionary?
Girls can still make some moves during missionary. Don't interpret it as her urging you to bang her, just let her move, she'll appreciate it. If she knows what's she doing she'll make those moves while you're cumming in missionary

went out to cold approach
did a simple hey, speak english opener (i live where it's not the spoken language)
most people do tal bac to me even if they don't speak english
i would then switch to their language
but, they still look so visibly uncomfortable
and i can't get myself to commit if they're that uncomfortable
despite me being groomed, dressed well, smiling
they seem to want me to get the fuck out of there most of the time

whatever probably bad luck
we will try again tomorrow

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>>34853072
Women are unironic chakra vampires that need human semen (soul energy) to survive, diagram of uterus is the image of apostolic baphomet, look it up, complete with horns and all.
When you have sex, part of your soul is being lost on ejaculation, think about it, you cum inside and the cum never comes out, soon enough it is absorbed by the vagina (baphomet devouring soul fragments), but how? It has no mouths, yet it happens. Semen is the vagina's (apostolic baphomet) prefered goyslop, without semen women (demonkind) dies of starvation, which is why women seek sex and always want you to cum inside for an 'unexplainable reason', part of the reason this happens is based on the fact there is no superior entity for them to rely on once their interior energy is depleted, think of it like a really big tank with only one mouth on it that slowly leaks out. They replenish their inner energy by absorbing it from men, because ultimately they have no souls which they can rely on to produce this energy themselves. If they do not get enough energy, they bleed. just look it up, pregnant women (women that have been cummed in and had their energy needs temporarily sated) do not have periods at all, nothing, blood simply does not come out. Yet a woman that does not have this 'suddenly' bleeds and feels ill for several days in a row with pain and weakness and bleeding. Normal?

>>34853279
what if i can't really cum the first time i have sex with a girl
and that makes them really self conscious and they leave me
(happens every time)

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>>34846992
yuor cock small
>>34847841
this

i asked a woman if i can come over to her place and chat and she agreed, did she really agreed to just chat with me or is she also expecting sex?

Some of you must have good dating profiles.

I can't find anyone interested while cold approaching. Maybe one, okay, but not enough to make it worthwhile. It doesn't seem as if what I say is good enough to attract one. For those of you who have had success with cold approaching, what do you guys say to a woman to make her interested? Is it really just chance? Is it my fault? I think it is, but what's my mistake? How do you be smoother?

For those of you who get girls with dating profiles, what kinds of pictures do you have (no need to post them, just describe them)? I am trying to get in shape, but that takes years, so I want to know if there's anything I can do that can make me more attractive significantly sooner.

What kind of bios did you put there, too?

The fact you are struggling in dating the way you do is a sign of being human. Don't beat yourself up. You're human remember that.

>>34852763
>t. has no skill

I was kind of talking to a girl from work, we had a date setup for next week. This week she was on vacation and we really did not talk at all. If she never reached out, and I never started conversation, it's pretty much a sign she isnt interested right? I also really fucking hate texting.

>>34853813
Yeah you go to recognize when she simply is not interested in you. If she ain't treating you like you are her special boytoy instead of a kid, it ain't worth it. The right girl will treat you like a boytoy. You have to be her number 1 if she is in love with you, not everything else. Yes you need to go out of your way, but she needs to as well. Apart from all of that remember you are human.

>>34851275
2nd date is over after 4h. We did the activity, had something to drink and went for a walk. Didn't go for a kiss since the opportunity wasn't there but we still had a lot of soft touches. We will have a third date.

>>34853704
>For those of you who get girls with dating profiles, what kinds of pictures do you have (no need to post them, just describe them)?
Selfies. Sure, every guide out there tells you not to use selfies, but they're easy to take and should get you likes/matches if you're at least somewhat attractive
>What kind of bios did you put there, too?
Short and sweet, list your advantages that photos can't convey (i.e. having a good job, speaking five languages etc.)
>>34854170
> We will have a third date.
What makes you so sure? I'd say getting the fourth date is the real test. Third date is the moment girls will stop to think whether they're actually interested in you or not

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>think workplace acquaintance I have to interact with 1-2 times a week likes me
>seem to have more chemistry with her than my actual girlfriend
>ask her out, and to my utter surprise she turns me down
>next time I see her she acts like nothing happened, even intensifying the behaviors that made me think she liked me
>I just start grey rocking her
First time after that she seemed sad, second time angry, and last time kept trying to catch my eyes, said good morning, asked how I am, and all that.

What's going through this bitch's head?

>>34847841
Well she said in the end that she felt like I didn't find her attractive, and that she started to have to carry conversations. Probably valid. I've never been much of a talker though, and like I brought up in another response, I was annoyed with her because of the ex thing, sleeping with the 1st guy, and generally down and distant when i found out I was sick. She said she tried to get to know me but didnt think I cared about her so she stopped trying. I dont know if thats a fair assumption from her, I tried to get us to take a trip and was at her place all the time and didnt just come to bang, I stayed for nearly half the weekend all the time, ate with her, went on dates. She said she sort of got a hint I wanted something more and that I liked her, but still felt like I didnt and was scared to ask, and assumed I was acting casual because thats how we started. I said that I didnt feel that way but it was my fault for coming off that way. I told her I didnt want to risk her ending it if I tried to overtly escalate, so I just kept acting casual like we started and thought it might get there on its own. I offered to take her to dinner and we could talk and try to understand each other because I was confused since she had told me she didnt want a relationship, but she liked what we had and now does, just not with me. She ghosted. We havent spoken since.

I set a date with a woman for this Tuesday. However she lives 2 hours away and we're meeting in the middle. She also has a 4 year old daughter. Were both 31 years old. Im not sure if I really want to go on the date, not because of her, shes really nice to talk to. I just dont feel like being in this long driving relationship where she also has a damn child. But its not often I meet a woman who is actually worth talking to so I dont know what to do.