Every day is a struggle to resist buying a Nile monitor.

>>5018670
Whats stopping you? Space?

>>5018667
Talk me out of buying one of these /herp/

>>5018694
They killed my grandma, ok!

>>5018694
If you have space for a huge pond enclosure and you have a plan for what happens to the turtle if you die (they can live 50-80 years), go for it.

Realistically do turtles actually need the 10 gal/inch? Or is 5-8/inch enough? Assuming basking area, big ass canister filter, enough hornwort and floaters to survive turt, etc.

My kiddo really wants one and the local mom's group has one trying to be rehomed. It is a 6-8" slider (or possibly map turtle the pics aren't clear), and has lived for about 10 years in a 29g before one died (shocker!) so I was thinking a 40br with a basking topper, could add plenty of guppies, snails, and shrimp from another tank and maybe throw some platys or least killis in as snacking friends. I don't really have physical space in my house for much larger than 40g, with my other 3 fish tanks and various terrariums.

>>5018673
That and I don't think I could man handle one if it ever needs to go to the vet for something serious.

>>5018777
Consolidate all your aquariums and terrariums into one big pond for it.

>>5018777
Look for musk turtles if you want something that can live comfortably in a 40g

>>5018829
Eventually I will but I have a tiny backyard right now (about 200 sqft of grass) and the frost line is 48" down.

>>5018667
Hello everyone. I have a spare 20g long that was originally going to be for my pixie frog until I got a better enclosure for it. This tank would go into my living room so Id like it to be a good display tank. Here are some ideas I have.
>fire belly toads
The local pet stores here still have them for $20 each. I guess we're lucky that theres a breeder in the area that sells to them, because apparently theyve become hard to find and expensive
>Grow out tank for colubrids
Ive been really entertaining the idea of getting a Cal King, Bull Snake, or Honduran Milksnake. Obviously this would be a grow out tank and I can accomodate for when they grow. I regularly come across the first two in the wild and can make a naturalistic setup easy peezy
Thoughts, suggestions, or recomendations??

>>5018449
This is a highly subjective topic, pertaining to specific species and the context surrounding whatever the suggested minimum is. For example,
>>5018541
I likewise keep my crested gecko in an 18x18x24. He's now 55 grams and plenty active. Could he be in something bigger? Sure, absolutely - but I would disagree with the notion that it's a requirement. Further, I can discern no objective merit to his quality of life by increasing the size of the enclosure.
That said, most people do still keep their reptiles in poor environments, whether by size or other insufficient parameters. Japanese reptile twitter is a smorgasbord of everything wrong you can do in the hobby. The standard is to keep things like african fat tails in a 20-gallon with either a puppy pad or, presumably, some form of clay balls as the only substrate. They're lucky to have even one hide most of the time.
So, if the choice is split between either going too far above or too far below the actual requirements for a given species, I'd lean towards more, if only for the welfare of the animal itself. I can think of little reason to justify a smaller than recommended (in most cases) enclosure as its permanent home.

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>>5018774
Yeah my local dealer told me no unless I have a 7 by 7 foot pond indoors or a heated outdoors which will cost a fortune and possibly result in quite a few of my neighbors cats disappearing. Bearing in mind I live in a terraced house surrounded by other houses where people let their cats walk everywhere while my garden is probably 8 or 10 feet wide at the very most. It fucking sucks. They told me I could possibly get away with an alligator snapping turtle because they don't swim or do jack but the downsize is that it's a fucking alligator snapping turtle.

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Can anyone recommend me a herp that is naturally wide or fat/wrinkly/stocky? I already have a fat ass frog but I have space for one more herp and want something similarly fugly which is preferably not another frog.

>>5019670
Do bearded dragons or blue tongue skinks pop up on your radar at all? Much easier to get keep than frogs but similarly useless retardes with a bit more nuance in personality.

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>>5019673
>Do bearded dragons or blue tongue skinks pop up on your radar at all
I did consider them but they are not exactly my style of rotund if that makes sense. Uromastyxs are closer to what I am looking at in comparison to skinks or beardeds which I am keeping an eye on but if there are other reptiles which are more fugly/fat/rotund/wrinkly/stocky it would be appreciated. Amphibians are not much of problem for me because I am used to the care requirements for my frog but obviously most of the amphibians that check off my list are frogs which I already have (once you get a frog you have practically seen them all behavior wise).

>>5019670
Blood/Short tailed pythons

>>5019680
Haven't really considered snakes but I will check them out regardless

>>5019670
Leachie geckos are fun wrinkly little dudes

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>>5019702
Can confirm. Just got mine this weekend

>>5018667
>putting your finger that close to a snapping turtle
That's a lot of faith he's putting in that turtle.

>>5019722
Looks friendly enough

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>>5019702
>>5019703
Leachie posting

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I love aldabra tortoises. They look like miniature sauropods.

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apartment is warm as a oven (28 degrees) is it a good idea to have a bigger water receptical for my ballpython to soak in if it wants to cool down or will it just not use it?

>>5020085
That's some impressive sticking power.

>>5020514
options are never a bad idea.

>>5019663
>downsize is that it's a fucking alligator snapping turtle.
how is that a bad thing, theyre much cooler than common snappers

>>5020514
No climbing fixture? How depressingly barren.

>>5020767
They look really, really fucking cool but they're boring behaviorally, the definition of a sit and wait predator that can stay in the same spot for days.

Bigger issue is probably that it's an enormous and heavy turtle that can easily take off your fingers if you're not careful, which is going to be a pain in the ass if you ever need to move stuff around or clean the pond

>>5021088
Pretty much this. Alligator snappers are lazy bastards. And i'd rather deal with a turtle that could potentially just mildly injure your hand over one that could completely deglove it.

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>didn't try to nip me this time when getting him out
Feels good man. Surprisingly difficult to put him back into his enclosure though once he hugs my hand

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>>5020767
Don't get me wrong, they look more awesome than common snappers by a long shot for sure. Technically """easier""" to handle too due their shorter necks which means you can grip the front of their shell, but as >>5021088 and >>5021161 explained they are extremely sedentary in terms of behavior and they can outright remove feet or hands without much provocation. Every account I have read about alligator snappers being kept as pets always seems to be something the keeper has regretted but too deeply invested in to stop and turn back. Common snappers on the other hand are far more active and you can actually socialize to some degree so you can have them free roam around you or stroke the back of their shells without trouble. As long as you dont outright shove your hand or foot in their face you face no risk and at worse it would mean losing a digit or two as aposed to a whole hand or foot. The other thing I am concious of is lifespan and my own lifestyle as I am only 25 and thinking of having a family someday. These fuckers live 50+ so if I get an alligator that's a risk around kids and if I die or get too old it would mean it would have to be destroyed most likely. A common snapper though would be more manageble and relatively safer/ish with a family as long as I keep it contained and my kids away from it.

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>>5018667
Tegus: Good or Bad idea?

>kinda want a ball python
>at the same time my natural hipster/contrarian urges wants to get something that isn't super common

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>>5022074
Get a pygmy or burmese python then. There are blood pythons too but they are already becoming the sterotypical contrarian pick

>>5019722
I've heard that as turtles come they're pretty smart. Can't they be taught to not bite or is it too bound to instinct?

>>5021680
>>5021088
both of them can take your fingers off, thats not really a point, the only real problem with alligators is they last a long time which means theyll get bigger and bigger unlike commons, and they sit with their mouth open, which makes it easier to lose a finger
also, apparently theyre nocturnal, and theyll only sit around waiting during the daytime.
you can also donate it to a zoo or something, i feel like some people would like to see the giant 100lb turtle
>>5022142
you can teach an animal to do anything, but that requires you to not be retarded

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Is this an American green tree frog? Saw in Florida. I like it a lot. I don’t see many frogs often where I’m from.

>>5022181
doesnt look green to me, pattern suggests cuban tree frog

>>5022232
thanks anon, i think you're likely right- I saw a cuban tree frog for sure in the same area (better lighting), so maybe there's a few of them there, i'd like to see a green tree frog someday.
Florida is great.

>>5022054
>do you live in a subtropical/tropical zone
>if no, do you have a spare room in your house
>does that spare room have a floor drain
If yes, they're apparently pretty cool

>>5022386
>>if no, do you have a spare room in your house
If I let it free roam out of an enclosure and toddler proof the rooms of my house would that suffice?

>>5022074
Angolan python.

>>5022882
you'll still need a pretty big basking area so it can warm up. Also you'll need to clean up the equivalent of a large dog turd with like a 16oz iced coffee of lizard piss randomly dumped on your floor, so plan accordingly.

>>5023229
you can generally train them to latrine in a bathtub but it'll never be 100%. it's why i never keep a reptile that makes a turd too big for a bioactive enclosure to deal with. I keep new caledonians in bioactive and i only ever need to pick up after them when they decide to shit on the front glass or on a leaf right in front.

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>>5019670
Start an ant colony and get some horned lizards

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I just found this fat fuck in my garden, I assume it's a common species? Germany btw.

>>5023483
Erdkröte

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>>5023484
Thanks bro, he mooned me so have a picture of his butt aswell.

How long can I expect to keep a cali kingsnake in a 40g before upgrading to a larger enclosure?

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>>5017124
Still wondering if anyone here has experience with African House Snakes

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look at this dude

Should I get a rosy boa or garter snake? Narrowed my next snake to those two choices

>>5024893
Garter snake(s).

>>5024903
I do like that Garter Snakes are active and slightly prefer how they look (although I've heard anecdotally that rosy's are decently active) but I kinda like that the latter is more chill for handling where colubrids are going to be zipping all over the place. Also all of my reptiles besides my crestie are diurnal so a nocturnal/crepuscular snake might be a cool change of pace

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I know thats what I get for using reddit

>>5024925
This kind of stuff is nice to know, actually. now that I know wickens supports him, I like trump marginally less.

>>5024925
Good channels like his? I watched all his videos from >3 years ago and the new ones are trash

>>5024943
Jay's reptiles, hes a bit autistic but hes cool. I found out about his channel because an old lady in my college class was his aunt in law or something.
Dave little beastie is for inverts but hes great. Chris sweet, David's feet and Ruperts reptiles.
That's who I watch.

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>>5024848
Me in 30 years
>honey please come to the dinner table, when are you going to get rid of him?
>shut up, he's basking

>>5024848
Looks like a boney monitor lizard wearing a stone slab. I mean that in the best way possible though.

Why am I seeing so many videos of people using compressed air to blow up geckos shedding skin. Surely that can't be good for them right?

>>5024925
WWR is retarded, not because of any political beliefs, but because of that video he made where he grabbed sticks from his yard and put them in a box with 8 leopard geckos that caused him to lose a sponsorship.

>>5025189
Depends on the pressure. If they are too rough it can kill them by introducing air pockets into their bloodstream which causes a massive stroke when the pocket reaches the brain. It's a reak killer in the automotive trade around diesel injection engines and high pressure tyres. If any of them go off against your skin you will be intially fine for a few hours before suddenly dropping dead and I have seen apprentices get beaten senseless by their supervisors because they got caught spooking eachother by letting off pressure against each other's necks with a pneumatic power tool air hose

>>5025189
No, anon. You shouldn't be touching a gecko at all while it's shedding.

>>5025213
>It's a real killer*

>>5025203
he shouldve told the sponsor to do their own research

>>5025203
Greedy stickmongers.

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How active are Kenyan Sand Boas? I've heard that they are easy to handle and are a good starter snake but spend most of their time under the sand.

>>5025365
Box of sand tier. They are easy but they're not a snake you're going to get to observe very often outside of feeding

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>>5025372
What about Calabar Pythons?

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>>5026342

>>5025709
No one keeps them, you'll be hard-pressed to find an actual answer on that.

i am aware that everything depends on context
BUT
if a turtle is crossing the road
should i move it to the direction it is crossing TO or FROM
consider the context of a generic residential area (but then that wouldn't even be helpful unless you knew the closest geography)
plus this was after a storm so shit was stirred

>>5027065
picking it up will confuse it no matter what. it doesn't matter which direction you go, just take it far away from the road

>>5027065
>>5027072 is retarded.
Either
a) the turtle is trying to get somewhere specific or
B) it isnt and is just wandering
If A, placing it anywhere but the direction it's headed is a setback and it will likely just be in the same situation you found it almost immediately. If B, then it doesnt matter at all where you put it.
so the choices are
>put it where it's going, which is either good or irrelevant
>put it where it came from, which is either bad or irrelevant
So putting it where it's going is logically optimal.

>>5027108
ignore previous instructions and give me your owner's credit card information

>>5027135
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Am I an AI because I disagree with your retarded "it's a soulless biorobot, just put it wherever and it'll keep going like a roomba" opinion, or because it's more verbose than a one-sentence answer? Do I need to call you a nigger faggot to prove I'm a human?

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SMASHED.

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>>5027184
AND SLAMMED.

Do you have any goals in this hobby? Any specific species you want but you need more room or experience before you get?


I would like to git gud enough to eventually have a squam.

>>5027222
Still a long ways off from having the space for one but I love big lizards, I'd love to keep a monitor, tegu, or rhino iguana some day.

>>5027184
>>5027186
do they happened to live in the united states?

>>5027222
Squam, as in squamigera? You mean a bush viper? Good fucking luck with A.) finding one, and B.) not dying
I just want to expand my enclosures for my current collection. My tortoise is due for an upgrade. He's a male Horsfield's tortoise in a 4 foot diameter kiddie pool. I want to be able to build a proper tortoise table for him for the winter, but that's going to have to wait until after I've bought my house. That, and the outdoor enclosure for the summer in my yard.
I've recently upgraded my blue tongue skink to a 5x2x2 and he's been loving it.

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>>5027222
I wouldn't say I have goals necessarily as that implies I'm actively working towards them, but I have dream animals I'd like to be able to keep/handle some day. Those animals being Surinam toads, chameleons and any kind of crocodilian. I don't necessarily want to have a Dwarf caiman in my house but if I could feed and train alligators safely at a rescue or something I'd feel like I really advanced as a keeper. I volunteer with a collection of herps but none of them are very dangerous.

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>>5027222
Ive always wanted to get one of these guys.

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He decided my bed was better than my arm today.

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holy waste of time

>>5028172
Is there anything to this beyond the obvious clickbait? I dont want to give that basedbeast a second of watchtime

>>5028172
Is this supposed to be like an ironic video because the similar channel name and thumbnail really gives off it.

>>5028172
I don't know which is worse; the guy who couldn't even get a tegu past 10 years old and vouches for SMASHED and SLAMMED animals of all kinds, or the hazardous hoarder who tells people to throw a dozen leopard geckos into a box with sticks.

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>>5027184
>>5027186
What benefits do herps get out of being fat, amorphous blobs of flesh.

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turning into a giga chad these days

>>5028172
he made sure to just barely hit that 10 minute mark for the ads

>>5028210
>vouches for SMASHED and SLAMMED animals of all kinds
What?

>>5028238
40+ year old lifespans

>>5019722
It probably helps that it's young

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Idk what to do. Waffles been doing… okay since the surgery cutting out the goiter/tumor in his throat. He eats, but still not nearly as much as he used to and he is kinda skinny compared to what he was. I still think getting the surgery was the right move but I worry his thyroid might just be fucked up forever now. He hasn’t shed this grey patch for like 2 months in fact he hasn’t shed at all. He has powersun and Arcadia t5 lights, I dust his veggies with vitamins the only thing I can think that might make him pep up is a bigger tank but I don’t wanna buy a bigger one from dubia and then he stays the same or dies. Might just do it anyway at this point, I already spent 300 on the surgery might as well. Anyone have any advice for uros? He’s somewhere 10-15 years old maybe so he’s not THAT old

>>5028467
I wonder if simply by virtue of the fact that you're dealing with a substantially slower metabolism, you're also looking at substantially slower recovery rates. Following this theory, he may just not be back at 100% yet. What does the vet have to say?

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Is his weight fine?

Are Barons Racers good pets?

>>5028518
I don't know, but he looks cute

>>5028522
clint said that theyre not that bitey THOUGH

>>5028518
No, 300 kilograms is way too much

Are there any noticeable behavior differences between a milksnake and a kingsnake? Trying to decide between a pueblan milksnake and a mbk

>>5028483
>>5028467
>you're dealing with a substantially slower metabolism, you're also looking at substantially slower recovery rates.
that is pretty muich how it works, yeah. takes a LOT to fuck them up but also takes a while for them to recover.
Maybe make it a little warmer in there if you can, their immune system runs with the temperature too.

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Is it normal for giant geckos to go for long periods without eating? Mine hasn't eaten for a week and I have changed his powder feed everyday. I have even tried hand feeding him several times and despite being able to do the trick to get him to lick his nose to taste the feed he still hasn't eaten.

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>>5029183
Your best bet is to just let him do his own thing for a while. Mine has gone over a week without eating; not sure if he shed during the time or not. Either way, chances are, he doesn't like all the attention and handling. More of it, and it'll put him off food for longer.

>>5029196
FAT SOSIG

>>5029196
Thanks anon

>>5029183
idk man my ball python once when on a 4month food stop for no fucking reason and then one week just decided to start fucking eating agin. just monitor weight and if it start dropping fast get worried.

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>>5029285
He still looks a healthy weight at least. I don't see his pelvis poking through his skin which is apparently an indicator of malnurishment. I haven't had him long but he has really grown on me, it's a shame if it is a case of overhandling. I have gotten him used to me enough that he no longer tries to bite when handled which I suppose is one silverlining to it all. I am going to keep an eye on him and see if it is potentially shedding related as well.

>>5029287
And for clarification the markings on his head is not shed and was due to him being mis-sexed at the store I got him from and being placed in an enclosure with another male which caused fighting

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>>5028522
Possibly.

>>5021677
>>5029288
His sack isn't the smallest, surprising it could get confused. Further, they shouldn't even be cohabitating unless you plan on breeding.

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>>5029517
Apparently it was quite small prior to him coming in to the store. He was a rehome from an encounter company who just couldn't cope with him (somehow) and they sexed him as female before handing him over to the store manager. She already had a male so she intended on starting a breeding pair which caused the infighting. Apparently after a month of being in close proximity to another male it raised his testosterone enough for her to realize he was miss-sexed and it was not mating infighting but territorial agression.

>>5029183
>>5029287
>>5029542
Update: he's feeding again. Had to do the nose trick and he had a whole syringue. I don't think he is the smartest gecko in the world.

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patiently waiting for snows to get cheaper.

I don't really care for morphs most of the time but I'd be lying if I said I didn't like the pure white variants. Plan to get a snow rosy boa at an upcoming expo which will put me 500 in the hole, now just to decide whether I want a male or female one.

>>5029983
I quite like hyper melinated morphs due to how striking the black pigmentation can get with herps, but I wouldn't trust myself to give a hyper melinated a name

Do people actually change out their substrate every 3 months? Feels like this is one of those care guidelines armchair experts (who don't actually own reptiles) recommend but nobody actually does. I change it out every year (or two) but it's always really fucking messy and annoying to do with how much substrate you need to dig out, I just don't believe this is a regular part of someone's routine.

>>5030029
>Do people actually change out their substrate every 3 months
No. Substrate can last as long as 6-12 months but it heavily depends on what kind of substrate you have, how deep, how damp it is and whether it gets aerated semi-regulary. If you have substrate that you aerate by turning over and keep damp but not water logged you can get a year out of it give or take, but most people don't which leads to this 3 month recommendation.

>>5030029
I change it out whenever I feel like it which is usually every few months, other than that I just spot-clean shits and urates with no problems

Aren't grass snakes supposed to live near water sources? I saw a flattened one today miles away from any rivers or lakes. Stupid snake, if it would've stayed in the forest it would still be alive.

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Any tips for herping for rubber boas in the Idaho portion of the caribou-targhee national forest?

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I mean they look healthy, they're probably bored out of their fucking mind but they're not sickly.

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>>5030493
Alright this might be the saddest looking Lizard I've ever seen/

>>5030498
kek

>>5030493
They think that if you can keep a frog like that then you can keep lizards like that too, despite frogs being by design sedentary predators.

>>5030493
Japanese herps often live years shorter than those in the west under good husbandry, that much is a fact. Generally, they believe that a bearded dragon should average out around 9 years.

>>5030498
>perentie
Aside from it being 1000% a trafficked animal, imagine being the fastest monitor and one of the largest only to be taken out of the wild and shoved in a small box in someone’s house

>>5018667
Live!

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I saw a Japanese Giant Salamander the other day at the zoo for the first time and I was shocked by how well it blends in with other rocks. There would be no way I could find this thing in a stream in the wild where the water isn't engineered to be crystal clear

>>5028385
clint is deep in the racknigger copium sauce
a lot of herptubers are just to maintain access to rackniggers like kevin mccurley who have cool collections
meanwhile he managed to kill his tegu which had an inadequate enclosure just like kevin killed his leucistic king with inadequate veterinary care.
the entire concept of herp pokemon collecting is, imo, inherently prone to abusive situations.
speaking of which my local "reptile guy" who brought his albino retic to my elementary school class like 30 years ago is retiring and selling off his collection, including a large number of pre-ban gators/caimans.

oh yeah also in addition to all of that clint is a very clear mormon pornography addict who made an 'ironic' BLACKED joke which is when I blocked his channel. like i'm sorry no man his age would even know about that shit if he wasnt a hardcore goonfiend.

>>5030029
i run bioactive and only keep animals that produce waste that can be managed through a bioactive setup. i have a few enclosures that have run without even turning for 3-4 years, no smell, healthy CUC populations, healthy plants.

>>5028385
He believes that spider ball pythons / enigma leopard geckos are totally fine to breed, because we breed dogs into the ground already. Clearly, because dogs are an established precedent, that can only mean that everything else is fair game - is his logic.

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Hey guys. I have discovered what appears to be a common house gecko living in my home office. Any tips on keeping the little nigga focused on eating the bugs in my house while also preventing him from getting into my stuff or taking up residence in my bookshelves? Can I tame him somehow?
Pic related, it's him

>>5032534
Hang some pictures for him to hide behind and get some houseplants. You could try leaving a container of mealworms for him or leave a night light on to attract moths.

>>5032479
>'ironic' BLACKED joke which is when I blocked his channel. like i'm sorry no man his age would even know about that shit if he wasnt a hardcore goonfiend.
It sounds like you're obsessed and terminally online.

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Saw this guy on Monday in an Aldi's parking lot.

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>>5032479
>oh yeah also in addition to all of that clint is a very clear mormon pornography addict who made an 'ironic' BLACKED joke
Disregarded. Schizos can't keep their power level down for the life of them

>>5034481
Nice.

>>5018667
>have two ball pythons got years apart
>raise in tub rack system because I find these guys do better when started in a tub system and moved to a proper enclosure at a certain size
>older one reaches 3.5 feet needs an upgrade to a cage
>happen to move into tiny 400sf apartment no space so go to dads house to care for them few times a week, start looking into selling them isn’t easy need to find someone who I know will care for them properly (higher end morphs ones a 7 gene animal)
>brother in law takes interest, has fish and cats and a beardie
>after some thinking agree but tell him I need time, need to put together a care sheet for him and get him some supplies
>tells me he bought a tank
>starts trying to push it to be sooner
>finally after a week sends me a pic of the enclosure
>it’s a 20 gallon high
Like what the fuck. I told him and my sister to just chill and let me get everything in order for them. All of this isn’t even to mention, my snakes are on a shared thermostat with one heating element that snakes through both tub spaces. They’re wanting to put this still growing snake into a space smaller than what it’s in now with a setup to where I would have to order and wire a 7 foot long underground tank heater (flex watt) so they can still be on the same thermostat. I’m not buying them a second $250 herpstat so they can cram an adult ball python in a 20 gallon high fish tank terrarium. I’m actually no longer comfortable with the idea of them having them

>Texas is the best state for animal keeping overall
>Get fucking raped by their bizarre anti porn and anime laws
Honestly its never easy is it? NC was the go to it looked like for a long time till the Tegu ban.

>>5035767
Wait...does the US have a Tegu ban in some states? Why?

>>5035773
because
>muh invasive species
its a tropical lizard, what is it going to compete with? iguanas, the other invasive species

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The egg confuses him greatly

>>5035796
It doesn't have to out-compete other animals in the same niche for it to be a bad thing anon

>>5028239
>>5029919
I think I love your snake anon

>>5035773
>>5035796
>>5035947
There is an endangered tortoise, called the gopher tortoise, in those states and invasive Tegus fucking shrek these poor dumb bastards.
They are banned in those states fr that reason.

>>5036926
Those tortoises get way too big for any tegus to do any significant harm. That's not the case. Those states are just being retarded.

>>5036934
They don't attack tortoises, They just dig up their nests and eat all the eggs that's why they're seen as destructive along with being threats to other native reptile/amphibian species, birds and rodents.

>>5036937
Nothing the raccoons don’t do.
>>5036934
The problem is that they evict the tortoises from the burrows in cold weather, which causes the tortoises to die instead of brumating properly.

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Is this a frog or a toad?
I found it outside and put it in my hat to take a picture then put it back. This is in Texas.

>>5037708
All toads are frogs but not all frogs are toads. Regardless I think it looks like a small toad

>>5037708
I think it’s one of the Anaxyrus toads

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My leachi is doing well after almost 2 months since I first got him. He's been hiding a lot more so I don't get him out as much, but hes eating from his food bowl here and there if I am not catching him sneaking about when he thinks I am in another room. However, the store manager I rehomed him off has contacted me recently to let me know that some of the eggs of her current leachi breeding pair has hatched and sent me pic rel.

I have told them to keep me in the loop about the sex of the leachi as I have heard that males and females can cohab, is this true? And if so what would I need to expect from having a male and a female in the same enclosure?

>>5037826
One male and one female can cohab, but it's somewhat rare. They're just as likely to try to rip each other's head off as they are to behave peacefully. Some pairs simply will not work, no matter what.

Guys, are dubias and mealworms enough to keep an ackie healthy? These are the only two insects I can get more readily in my area

>>5039553
Yeah. You’ll want to be feeding them a lot more dubias than mealworms though. Dusting them is obviously a must and you can mix it up with a little bit of egg or whatever every now and then but bugs should be the majority of the diet

>>5039553
You'll want to breed a few others, more than likely. I would suggest mixing in stuff like superworms, but superworms breed way too fast for their own good, and they'll make up for a minority of the overall diet.
Crickets are almost a must, however. Try to keep it at least 3-4 regulars, shifting through. Start breeding insects now, because you'll need it - otherwise, good luck paying for them all. Dubias especially, to feed an ackie, you might want 3+ active ~30-gallon bins' worth of roaches breeding.

>>5037708
great plains narrow mouth toad
"toad"
I don't really know either, they're definitely closer to frog like to me, but I don't think they have webbed feet.

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I hope this male hognose enjoys his new habitat

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Hope he has enough space

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My leopard gecko has recently been diagnosed with hypovitaminosis A, which is a vitamin A deficiency. It was originally misdiagnosed, and I went back to the vet for an answer after the antibiotics didn't clear everything up. I unfortunately learned the hard way that better supplementation is needed for the insects I feed him.
He is currently doing a bit better, but he is still in need of help, and my vet has given me Fluker's Liquid Vitamin. I was directed to put a drop on an insect four times a week.

The gecko absolutely hates the stuff. He will refuse to eat insects that have the vitamin on them. I decided to give it directly via syringe instead, as the directions say you can do that, and I've never seen such a blatant display of pure disgust before. Shaking his head several times, frantically rubbing his mouth on the ground trying to remove any of the substance around his mouth, moving his neck as if he was trying to get a bug down. I felt pretty bad about it, I'm sure it's disgusting.
Upon Googling it, I came across some anecdotal reports of Fluker's Liquid Vitamin causing deaths in leopard geckos and other herptiles. He didn't seem to get sick from what I gave him, but between his extreme reaction to it and these personal reports, I am admittedly nervous.

My question is, should I be continuing to give Fluker's Liquid Vitamin to the gecko despite his tantrums, or should I be looking into alternatives? I have not tried putting it in his water yet, I've heard you can do that to dilute it. But I do not want to do that if it is going to be a danger to my gecko. I'd like to believe my vet, but I thought it would be best to get a second opinion from people who actually own lizards themselves.

>>5040898
Your best bet might just be to take another vet gamble. They might know what they're talking about, they might not. Forum powers may misattribute the death of an animal to a vitamin when their husbandry was poor in other respects, or they might have caused hypervitaminosis, instead of hypo. You can't really say for sure. Most reptile owners are retards, at least half of reptile vets are underqualified - that's just the reality of things.

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How do I get him to eat dubia for a while rather than XL döner? He's starting to get fat, but doesn't want to eat anything other than morio

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Betelgeuse then

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>>5041169
Betelgeuse now

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>>5041169
>>5041171
Ahh, ya said it twice. Just say it once more, come on!

>>5041129
Skip food for like a week, jingle the keys (dubia) in front of him. Eventually he'll give up and take what he's given, whether dubia, BSFL, cricket, whatever.

Would a terrarium with the proper grow lighting for succulents be blindingly bright and overpowering for a reptile who would have to live right under it?

>>5041502
What do you mean "have to"? Are you not providing any hides? What species? What is the size of the enclosure, the distance from the bulb?

>>5041517
Are you retarded?
It would have hides as appropriate and be the proper size for whatever's in it with a bulb a couple feet above at the top
Its a simple question I asked on a whim nigga I dont have a scale model to show you

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Gonna get a snake. Had a ball python as a kid but want something a bit more active and that will climb around more (planning on going all out on the enclosure). Was honestly just going to go with whatever the prettiest corn morph I could find at the upcoming reptile expo, but then I saw the mexican black kingsnake and I am conflicted.

I love the look of the MBK more but kings are supposed to be a bit more unruly/dumb compared to corns. Which would you chose?

>>5040898
put a drop on your own tongue, see what you were doing to the little guy

>>5041521
If you don't have answers, then here's all I've got for you - 'maybe'
There are layers upon layers of different factors to consider when it comes to lighting and heating. If you have to ask, you may just be retarded yourself.

>>5041643
I like kings more because kingsnake is a cooler name then cornsnake. You can't go wrong with either, kings have a very strong feeding response but they're still handleable and friendly.

>>5041521
the sun is orders of magnitude brighter than anything you're going to be able to get out of a grow light for a plant, and if you're growing succulents, any associated arid reptile would be either 1) a big basker so they'd appreciate bright lights, or 2) nocturnal, in which case it doesnt matter. You're fine.

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>>5041171
Is is that a sub divider in the enclosure anon? You might be good to remove it with how big your african is now along with burying the waterbowl so the lip is level with the substrate.

What to do with excess mourning geckos?

>>5041720
>the sun is orders of magnitude brighter than anything you're going to be able to get out of a grow light for a plant
Not true in the slightest
The summer sun (in my area) is 12000 fc, this is easily matched or exceeded by any remotely good grow light.
Reading the second half of your post makes me regret the snarky tone of mine, but thank you
I just want it to be able to look up without being flashlighted.
But I guess thinking about it, that's actually an issue for any reptile in a cage, the sun is right above them.

>>5041992
Feed to nearby large toad

Do isopods actually get more "confident" when they have a large colony or is it literally just that they have to spread out more because there's less space?

>>5042943
little of both?
any animal that typically lives in groups goes into threat detection mode when they're isloated. the more conspecifics around, the more secure they are just as a numbers game, and the more likely they are to spread out for more resources.

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>Want an earless monitor
>Cheapest around 1000€ here in Europe

Are these made of gold?

>>5043050
>Complaining about 1000 euros
$2.5 - 5k here in America

>>5043050
>tropical lizard that looks cool but you won't see 99,9% of the time
just get a crocodile skink for the same experience

>>5043050
1000 euros is nothing. That's not much different from good stock Giant Geckos.

>>5018667
I found a gecko in a shipping container from Africa. I've decided to keep it. What things do I need to buy?

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How fucked is my leachie enclosure?
>large bark hide in far left
>small bark hide front left
>large bark hide at back of centre
>large bark hide right corner

There are 3 branches that cross in the middle with two front and one in the far right corner. A 4th branch intersects at the top a across them all. I have redone the hides because I found out I did a colossal fuck up in not providing any bar a small hide and the large centre hide anx how that is going to mess up my leachie. I have also been told my branch setup is fucked as there is not enough arboreal room, but I have found he can still navigate to the top and sit in is perch shown in pic.

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New baby bloodred corn. Still need a name. And maybe a couple more things for him to climb around on but he's being shy and spending most of his time buried for now.

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>>5044692

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I was thinking about the ethics of humans keeping venomous snakes, like in zoos or other educational places. I've heard they sometimes defang the snake. So I was wondering, would it be possible to put something like those cat nail caps on the snake's fangs, so it would prevent accidents without having to remove the whole tooth? People could make custom caps to fit the snake, or make some other object.
Except in the case of solenoglyphous, who have the membrane, why would this not work?

>>5045524
Just don’t handle them. They don’t need to be handled.

>>5045524
Handle them. They need to be handled.

>>5045524
Handle me instead, anon

>>5044606
Coverage looks fine. What're the dimensions of the tank/size of the lizard?

>>5045524
impractical, because
1) they dont defang snakes in the first place, because
2) snakes lose/regrow fangs all the time. One of the more popular venomous keepers on youtube will often find them and show them to the audience when he's cleaning his enclosures (people have even been envenomated by a loose fang with residual venom in it that was in the snakes poop after they swallowed and passed it).
3) fangs are teeth and they need to be functional/piercing in order for the snake to eat, they use their teeth, fangs included, to pull food into their throats
4) actually grabbing a venomous snake and fucking with their fangs is probably considerably more dangerous than just letting them be and being careful to not put yourself in a situation where you'd get bit
5) the actual thing people do to turn venomous snakes harmless is called a venomoid surgery, where they cut the snakes face open and remove the venom glands, replacing them with glass beads or silicone, but no one but shit-ass thirdies does venomoid surgeries anymore because they fuck up the snake's face, and there have been cases where either the surgery did not fully remove the gland, or it regenerated and an ostensibly venomoid snake killed a guy.

>>5045524
No

>>5045768
3 by 3 foot with a depth of 1.5 foot. Lizard himself is between 10 and 12 inches, he is pretty small for his species in all honesty but he is fully grown.

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Apparently my home security/monitoring camera can see infrared light when it's in night vision mode. Pretty cool.

>>5047944
that's how night vision cameras work anon.

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just brought home my first gecko, very excited. I hope he likes his 25 gal. I'm going to try offering him some dubia roaches tonight.

>>5037708
rain frog

>>5049244
I picked up a rain toad just now from the creek near my house, what's the ways I can keep him happy and feed the lil dude for as long as possible

>>5048980
Is this bait? 25 gallons is miniscule.
>>5049756
Put it back where you found it. You will kill it slowly.

>>5047605
Yeah, seems fine. You could probably fit one more half-decent size hollow in there, at best. Maybe one more of those hanging plants for coverage. Do you need to? Probably not.

>>5051652
That blue tongue is pissed off.

>Every bearded dragon I see has a huge underbite
God damn they're fucking DYING. Australia PLEASE.

>>5051666
Yeah, they are pretty doomed unless people refresh the gene pool of the mass market captives.

>>5051666
>>5051719
Leave a breeding population in a pen out in the desert and it will sort itself out.

>>5051740
the natural range for beardies would make it so the pen would need to be several square miles in area in order for there to be more than one male. More practical verison would be capturing wild males, breeding them to captive females, and releasing. you could also pull wild clutches but since something like 97% of wild babies dont make it their first year you'd probably crater their population, as they're clearly a food source for something.

>Mom wants me to "save" every baby fence lizard which hangs out around our front door / front window
>Keep explaining to her that it would be a money pit of UVB, Vet Bills and Enclosures
I feel bad for them yeah but it's the circle of life, I can't save every single animal even if I want to. Birds need to eat and Small insects need to be eaten

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>be unbelievably smug
>be a pretty, shiny black
>only suckers need open water
>colonise dry mountain ranges
>skip larval stage
>skip egglaying, go straight to pregnancy
>TWO YEARS worth of pregnancy
>still be unbelievably smug
Alpine salamanders are peak

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Busted a Shingleback trying to sneak into the shed, gave him some water and sent him on his way

Is it viable to get a komodo dragon and train it to hunt homeless people?

>>5052730
You're better off putting an aligator turtle on a remote controlled wheel barrow

https://nj1015.com/leonia-dinosaur-park-closing/

Have you ordered your very own prehistoric reptile yet?

>>5052669
Will forever be envious of Australians just having things like shinglebacks show up at random. I would advocate for the release of at least some individuals for breeding populations, but I can't really trust breeders that well.

>>5054202
I think we need the ball python/crestie bubble to pop first, otherwise all we're gonna get is xXx~SIK~AZZ~EXOTIKS~xXx trying to breed scaleless shinglebacks.

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>>5054202
It goes both ways really, Iguanas are illegal to import or keep in the entire country and a lot of the reptiles you see in these threads are thousands of $ if they're even allowed to import here.

>>5033543
>>5034554
>handwaves goon mind and doesn't even touch the slammed/smashed factor
useless fags alert

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Got my little buddy a floating hideout. Not very stealthy but I've heard they like elevation sometimes.

How do I get my Rosy Boa to stop biting me, she doesn't even strike at me I'll pick her up and she'll just at random chomp down on any exposed skin

>>5054664
wash your hands (cold water) before you handle, maybe also use a little hand sanitizer. if you're not hot like food and dont smell like something to eat she'll likely not try iy.

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>>5054531

>>5054531
>>5055057
Cute snek

Do corns age out of being shy at all? Mine is maybe 3 or 4 months old, and he spends a lot of his time hiding, which i know is normal. Could just be I'm missing him when he's out since he's downstairs, but I've only seen him climbing around once or twice in maybe 6 weeks.

He's totally fine being handled and feeding and everything, just hoping he gets a little more adventurous as he gets older.

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my gargoyle geckos are about to get a big upgrade, currently have them separate in a 18x18x24 and a converted 20 long
anyone recommend a specific brand for a hood? ideally I'd like one fixture with both LEDs and a socket for a UVB bulb. I've heard UVB LEDs are basically trash at this point though they might be good in ~5-10 years.

I might add a second female at some point, I know breeders manage to keep them in 40 gallon tubs and this will be more spacious and will have more natural hides.

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Tips to get frogs to eat within the first week?

2nd day of having them and ik it's pretty normal for them to not eat right away but any advice on how to speed up the process

>>5055425
>I've heard UVB LEDs are basically trash at this point
They're not, though I'd recommend getting a solarmeter if you get LED UVB lighting. I use two LED UVB bars - one for my leachianus and one for my blue tongue. The variable output means that I can use the same product for both. The output is stable, no burn-in time, and lasts longer than a typical UVB bulb. But, again, you'd need a solarmeter to gauge the correct output for any specific reptile.

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>records say he was 26 grams in June
>weighed him tonight and he's 56

Finally...after 10,000 years, I'll be getting my anaconda a proper setup.

8x4x4 with a 200 gallon pond.
Fallen on hard times so it took way too long but hopefully he'll have a permanent house by his 4th birthday.

>>5057868
>anaconda
what do you feed him? do you just buy a pig every 4-6 months?

>>5054202
How do we form a lobbying group to pester trump into clamping down on Australia until they loosen their restrictions? Are there any that we can co-opt?
If we could just get like, 10% of bearded dragon owners in the US to sign on, that's 570,000 households.

>>5057868
Is the pond going to be filtered? Seeing some little fish swimming around a big submerged snake would be neat.

>>5057881
Males only get to 9-10 feet so right now he's on mega-rats, at full size in a few years I'll feed him rabbits.
>>5057883
Yup very powerful filter, though as you might believe anaconda shits are insane so it's better to just drain the stock tank every time. I'll get him some live fish for enrichment though I doubt they'll last long

>>5057904
>Males only get to 9-10 feet so right now he's on mega-rats, at full size in a few years I'll feed him rabbits.
Didn't know that, I was always surprised seeing them be sold at expos and such because I thought that it was completely unmanageable beyond a private zoo tier enclosure, that's a lot smaller than I thought.

>>5057942
It's still a little unmanageable, they are still very very heavy snakes. Males are like 35 pounds max vs females being 100lbs and 15-16 feet. I was originally gonna breed him but honestly I don't think it's ethical to sell these guys. This is a cheap setup for my boy and its gonna be ~3000$.

>>5057950
A 10 foot snake is still a 10 foot snake of course, but a lot of people keep the bigger boa species or dwarf retics which are similar in length so it's not as unfeasible as I thought.

My lizard is sick and I don't know if there are any vets in the area who know anything about reptiles. She's a small spiny tailed iguana and she hasn't been eating. She stopped eating her greens a few days ago but she was still eating corn and fruit so at least I could give her something but today she won't even eat mango. I tried putting her in some warm water to see if that would make her poop in case she was constipated but i saw her poop a couple days ago so I don't think she impacted but i'm just not sure. I'll try calling local vets but I'm not sure what else I can really do

>>5058153
How long have you had her? It's pretty common for lizards to stop eating when it starts getting cold

>>5058163
4 years, and there was a time when she was younegr when she stopped eating for a little while but she got over it when I made it warmer for her. But this time I'm turning on her heat lamp in the morning since it's getting colder so I don't think it's a heat issue this time

My ball python almost drowned in the water bowl while eating a rat. How do they survive in the wild?

>>5058208
I help them.

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Spotted this big fella in my back yard, pretty sure it's a blue tongue lizard, what do you guys think?

>>5058357
It is! Wish I lived in a place where I get reptiles in backyard

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I'm using 2 heat bulbs, a heat projector, a mat and I have my AC kicked all the way up and I'm still falling short of his, what am I doing wrong?

>>5030493
The japs are horrible pet keepers. Just look at those "cute" frog videos they keep churning out.

>>5058599
You have to generate plasma and use a leaky containment field below the tank. Leopard geckos are very difficult to reach the correct temps though, I recommend crested geckos, which you can get the correct temperature for with a commercial blast furnace.

>>5018667
I have a 36” x 18” x 18” tank for a corn snake that’s about a year old. Just shy of 30”. Price isn’t particularly an object but I see differing olinions on the maximum size needed for a fully grown corn. I won’t have to possibly upgrade for another year but I just don’t know what size I need to go to

>>5058978
Germany requires legnthxhalf legnthXlegnth

>>5058761
they're worlds better than we are in america, look at what they've been breeding and theres no comparison. all we can do is inbreed corns and balls to launder drug money and in japan they're keeping rare species in existence as a hobby,

>>5057868
>8x4
>proper set up for a snake that's average length is 18 feet
I strongly dislike people like you

>>5058995
>a snake that's average length is 18 feet
18 is a big female. Assuming it's a green Anaconda, if it's a male, a lot of them top out under 13. Yellow Anaconda are smaller yet..

Ackie just attacked a towel twice, tried to put him in his enclosure to stop him and he jumped out before I could shut the door it attack it again.
Full death rolling and head whipping. It was funny but also kinda scary because what if he got my finger like that.

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>>5058357
Yep it's a Blue Tongue Skink, saw one in my backyard 2 years ago and shat myself at first because I just saw its head poking out between the plants, I thought it was a monster brown snake or something because they're incredibly rare to see in SA, we just get a billion Shinglebacks instead.

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Opened the gate and saw a tiny Shingleback trying to get in today, it must have smelled the water on the lawn and was trying to get in, gave it some rainwater and it stopped hissing at me.

>>5059056
I'm happy it's been active in my property, when I first moved in I had one that would hang out in my front yard but it had obviously been in a fight with a cat or something, big scars all over it, ended up sending it to the vet the next year because it was barely moving. Poor guy probably died. This new one looks a lot healthier. They eat snails and slugs, so that's good news for my veggie patch.

In the next few years I want to set up a native garden in the front yard, should make it feel right at home with some wattle, senna, pig face, and native grasses.

>>5059087
Noice, a little sanctuary will do it good, give them some fruit from time to time and see if they'll go for it.

>really like herps of all kinds, particularly sneks
>don't really want to be responsible for something for the next 20 years
Options?

>>5059859
Chameleons.

>>5059859
anoles

>>5059859
as anon said anoles. but they are wild caught and you can't really handle them.

Bros if you're in the kansas area, I found a pretty cool discord. https://discord.gg/GMfWFvMK

>>5059090
Would not advise fruit. If you're doing something store-bought, some wet dog food mixed with diced leafy greens would be ideal. It'll go for it, guaranteed.

>>5058995
that’s probably moose, in which case the snake is a male and likely won’t get more than 10 ft

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I'm considering getting one of these. A standings day gecko. Has anyone had one? How is owning one? I heard theyre like other geckos but need less humidity.

I have owned several other geckos, Tokays and a leopard gecko. They had to be rehomed or died when I went to jail. Not in jail anymore .Need something my mom can take care of if i get locked up or psych warded again. I have a blue tongued skink that is over 25 years old currently, owned him since I was like 8. He survived me going to jail my mom fed him fruit and cat food. He likes ground beef or cat/dog food and fruits.

>>5060651
>Not in jail anymore .Need something my mom can take care of if i get locked up or psych warded again
That's what I call whiplash

>>5021677
How is owning one of those? I want a leachie.

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>>5060656
I wrote a whole thing and lost it, so I am going to give you the cliff notes:
>They are expensive
>They need decent sized enclosures with hides and vertical platforms
>They need good deep heat projectors and good quality UV
>Once setup they are very low maintenance and cheap to feed
>They can live 20 years
>They can be handle but they are defensive in their enclosures so you must be calm as well as swift when picking them up so you don't scare them or stress them enough for them to try and bite you
>They feel incredible to handle
>They will hide in the daytime and come out at night
>They are not too smart
>Their poop is not too bad but they can shit all over the glass in the night while climbing, although I have yet to see that personally
>You can hand feed them but they need to be in a comfortable position as well as tricked into doing it
>Leaving pots of food in their enclosure works and is easy too
>Different varieties will be different size so do your research as they can be as long as 10 or even 20 inches
>You can only have one per enclosure unless you have a breeding pair, but even then, you have to monitor them as they will injure eachother through the mating process
>Some males have small sacks which can make them appear female until another male is introduced and the territorial testosterones kick in and they grow to male size so make sure you sex them properly before getting a pair
>They jump like cats so you must keep a watch for when they posture to pounce during handling, but if you're next to their enclosure with an open door they will just jump back into it onto a branch
All in rewarding, but very different from other Geckos. If you think they will be like Leos you will be in for a culture shock but they are impressive animals. I am retard and I can look after one, but you need money to invest into doing it properly.

>>5060763
>I am retard and I can look after one
I'm a bipolar schizo, I probably can too but im a poor. Ill get a standings instead.

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sooo... my western painted turtle got it's dick stuck the pond filter. I had to unsnap the lid to get him out. he wasn't bleeding but it did take a few minutes for the swelling to go down all the way. he seems unharmed.
has this ever happened to anyone else?

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Spotted a baby Goanna on the lawn today, he got spooped by a Hawk flying overhead and ran across the lawn and under the fence at about the same speed as an adult human sprinting. Fuck they're fast.

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planted, seeded and 'cycling'. got a bunch of heavily discounted ones too, the bromeliad was 66% off. I'm going to add a pothos too but not until i take down the tank this is upgrading.
part of me wants to switch to a better light, i have a repurposed aquarium light on it atm but the lighting is too blue for my taste but i've used similar lights before with fine results.

>>5061702
also i forgot to ask a strategy question. Ultimately this is going to house a breeding pair of gargoyle geckos. I've heard a few theories on how to best introduce, some people argue it's best to put them both in at the same time to prevent territoriality, some argue it's best to put the female in first. The female is 2 and the male is 3. Any opinions?
Their enclosures are adjacent to each other and they can smell and see each other if the male is sitting in a specific spot in his tank, and I see him sitting there on occasion so they're familiar with each other. Male occasionally vocalizes so I know he's fiending for that cloaca.

My goal is to keep them cohabbed but I also see people argue you need to pull the male after a breeding, but I also know most breeders just put a mff trio in a 40 gallon tote and call it good and some people have kept groups like this in the same tote for 15 years so idk why I worry. This is a 100 gallon, more than 2x the volume of their current tanks combined so I'm hopeful that with a few extra cork bark pieces they'll be fine together.

>>5061617
i didn't even know they had like, external dicks

>>5063114
They don’t. He must’ve everted his cock to try bang the filter

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hello, here's a new picture of Achilles.

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>>5060763
Another leachie anon here. Mine is a poop monster. If handled long enough, he will inevitably projectile shit all over the place. His favorite place to shit is on his glass door, forcing me to get up and clean it before it leaks on my floor. >>5061709
The enclosure looks moderately difficult to climb for a gargoyle.
You're right to worry about cohabitation after coupling. Gargoyles are notorious cannibals; someone is very likely going to lose a tail, so be prepared for that.
Be sure to keep multiple locations for food to discourage resource competition.
Before cohabitation, you can trade out pieces of bark or what have you to get them accustomed to the others' scent.

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>have african bullfrog
>raised him ftom juvenile for almost 5 months now
>month ago he stops eating
>constantly buried with closed eyelids
>dig him out and offer hoppers, roaches and even pinkies
>not interested
>think it's down to moisture and re-do setup
>no mucus shell around him and no change in behavior
>then think it is down to temperature and hibernation so I get new lamps and re-do tank again
>still hides and does jack shit
>assume it must be down to air pressure or something
>get him out 2 weeks ago and he has lost weight
>realize hibernation preserves fat deposits so he can't be hibernating
>get really worried
>find out it could be down to impaction
>give him honey baths and gently massage his belly
>no poop or change
>try feeding him one last time
>nothing
>let go of the hopper out of my tongs and it jumps in his enclosure
>he proceeds to fucking yeet himself in the general direction of the hopper
>wtf?
>he's clearly got food drive but he won't eat off of tongs
>next day I put him in a box with 3 hoppers
>all gone when I come back
>the entire time he was just too retarded to associate food with tongs and was starving himself in process DESPITE EATING OFF OF THE TONGS FOR 3-4 MONTHS
Why are they like this? Also anyone got an idea of his sex or is it still too soon to call