what would it take to domesticate a new species (of vertebrates, not cheating with plants. too easy.)? why arent we hearing about new domesticated species all the time? we have the technology, surely.
>>5039561>what would it take to domesticate a new speciesmore than a lifetime of commitment and a huge amount of resources, see>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox40 years and 45000 foxes just to end up with foxes that are kinda tame, but not actually domesticated
>>5039561Thousands of years
>>503956840 years is literally nothing
>>5039568ok sure, but thats because a fox is a pretty bad choice being a canid. they basically had to reinvent dogs from small wolves. although technically to domesticate means to artificially select for certain traits and they literally did that. the article even describes new fur patterns emerging, thats a domesticated fox.i feel like there ought to be more animals domesticated as society gets more complex. theres only, what, 10 domesticated birds and half are food. why cant i get a domestic blue jay or something cool like that? fishkeeping doesnt have this issue, you can get fucking anything in any form
>>5039575then start your own project and tell us how it's going in 40 years
>>5039589It takes literally hundreds of HUMAN generations to domesticate an animal, idiot
>>5039561It probably wouldn’t be that hard to domesticate another species of rat or mouse
>>5039568>40 years and 45000 foxes just to end up with foxes that are kinda tame, but not actually domesticated>>5039601>It takes literally hundreds of HUMAN generations to domesticate an animal, idiotwhere is this assertion coming from? the article is quite enthusiastic about the results:>Trut wrote in 1999 "that after 40 years of the experiment, and the breeding of 45,000 foxes, a group of animals had emerged that were as tame and as eager to please as a dog." > The New York Times wrote that they: "were clean and quiet and made excellent house pets, though — being highly active — they preferred a house with a yard to an apartment. i certainly don't regard wikipedia as an arbiter of truth or anything, but this isn't saying what you think it is
>>5039561Only certain species can be domesticated (or domesticated relatively easily) which is why many animal species haven't been domesticated and why more likely never will, the most important naturally-occurring trait being socialization.It's not a coincidence that wolves were the first animal humans domesticated because wolves were already social pack-based animals and whatever population of wolves that was regularly interacting with early humans only had to be selected so that they were social with both humans and other canines and not just wolves, essentially making it so that humans would be seen as part of the wolf's (or now dog's) pack and the dog would be seen as part of the human tribe.Foxes are significantly less social than canids which is why they weren't domesticated before and even the "domesticated" fox breed is still noticeably less domesticated than canines since they don't have thousands of years of pro-social pack behavior in their genes.It would probably be near impossible to domesticate several big cat species (with the exception of lions) because of how solitary and predatory they are, while something like crows could be domesticated much easier due to be extremely social and already having lived around humans for hundreds of years.I wonder if it's possible to domesticate certain crocodilian species because they are remarkably social with each other for reptiles and fairly intelligent, I know in some places they keep alligators as pets but that's closer to taming than domestication.
>>5039561>Not all animals can be easily domesticated, if at all>No need for it, especially in the modern ageFor example, deer would seem like a good candidate, but>historically hard to keep enclosed (will jump over high fences)>Capture myopathy (being captured is so stressful for them they can die days after the capture)>No need (why waste time and resources domesticating deer when we already have horses, cows, sheep, etc. which already cover what deer could provide for us)
>>5040541>shows Roe deer a deer notorious for just walking up to and approaching humans even wildYeah so hard to domesticate an animal that is essentially already domestic.
>>5040561So why waste resources 'domesticating' it properly then?
>>5039588>new fur mutations emerge>breed for them because they're pretty>domestication!Tigers must be domesticated then.
>>5040570literally yes, white tigers were artificially cultivated from a single wild individual. we made white tigers just like we made blond dogs.
>>5040561I don't have many deer picsAnd read the rest of what I said
>>5039568>Trut wrote in 1999 "that after 40 years of the experiment, and the breeding of 45,000 foxes, a group of animals had emerged that were as tame and as eager to please as a dog." Fitch described the tame foxes as "incredibly endearing". The New York Times wrote that they: "were clean and quiet and made excellent house pets, though — being highly active — they preferred a house with a yard to an apartment. They did not like leashes, though they tolerated them.">Ceiridwen Terrill of Concordia University, who described Belyayev's fox farm in 2012 as looking like a set of "dilapidated army barracks", with "rows and rows of sheds that house about a hundred foxes each", said that the foxes were so tame that when she reached into a cage to show one of them some affection, it plainly "loved having its belly scratched". Some of the foxes had even been trained to fetch and sit.Sounds like they are nearly fully domesticated
>>5039561>>5039568>>5039574Oh no, autistic blackenoids or feds are posting on 4ch again.Better agree with them or you will be banned from /an/ for a few days as they declare themselves the "winners" in your absence.Don't engage, just ignore.Leave retards to stew with retards.
>>5042253please take your meds
>>5042332Your meds aren't mine. They belong to you.
>>5039561Seals are objectively the most domesticable animal out there these days. Their extreme desire for comfort and high intelligence go together to make them a great candidate.They also come pre-SMASHED and SLAMMED so breeders wouldn't have to worry about doing that themselves.
>>5042349The whole being a large aquatic creature destroys their candidacy.
>>5042354OMG guyz! Looks like the India never used Elephants then!!!TOO BIG AND OUT OF CONTROL!!!OMG guyz! looks like seaworld is just an illusion guyZFor realz bro diddy an YE never rode seaworld dolphin. Fake trap shoot ya all.Trickenology says dat domstricate is impossiblez.No mayo monkey pig gonna trick dis wize blak hebrew israelite. F yo albino asseither u agree wid me OR i ban u.da choice is yourse channer.but melanin no how to ride giraffe and smite da wyte canaanites. We iz rule over u now.dis is reel imageno fayke
>>5040541>For example, deer would seem like a good candidate, butWAT are laplander Sámi ????Can u iz work it out ???? Are iz dey NigeriansZ?
>>5039561bnuuy
