Weird Money EditionPrevious Thread >>4983981WHAT IS SPECULATIVE EVOLUTION?Speculative evolution is the exploration and imagining of how life might evolve in the future or could have evolved in alternate pasts. It's a multimedia sci-fi genre that harnesses scientific principles to create detailed and plausible hypothetical creatures, ecosystems, and evolutionary histories.RESOURCES:https://speculativeevolution.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Tutorial>One-stop shop for relevant background information for starting a projecthttp://planetfuraha.blogspot.com/>Fantastic blog covering all sorts of spec evo topics in-depthhttps://specevo.jcink.net/>The Speculative Evolution forums, full of resources and ongoing projectsRECOMMENDED PROJECTS:https://pastebin.com/zhBbaNTB>Link to a PDF of Wayne Barlowe’s “Expedition”, a seminal work of speculative evolution full of incredible paintings and illustrationshttps://youtu.be/Rbi8Jgx1CNE [Embed] [Embed]>”The Future is Wild”, a CGI documentary following the evolution of life on Earth in the far futurehttps://pastebin.com/esdFrSEZ>Dougal Dixon, arguably the father of speculative evolution. These are links to PDF’s of his books “After Man”, “The New Dinosaurs”, and “Man After Man”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egzZv8tqT_k&list=PL6xPxnYMQpquNuaEffJzjGjMsr6VktCYl&ab_channel=Biblaridion [Embed] [Embed]https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/https://sunriseonilion.wordpress.com/http://www.cmkosemen.com/snaiad_web/snduterus.htmlhttps://www.deviantart.com/sanrou/gallery/56844005/nauhttp://www.planetfuraha.nl/https://multituberculateearth.wordpress.com/https://sites.google.com/view/lokiworldofrats/homehttps://specevo.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4578&st=15https://www.deviantart.com/bicyclefroghttps://hardeshur.blogspot.com/p/main-page.htmlhttps://rylmadolisland.blogspot.com/p/main-page.html?zx=bba41f9d602b6b9ahttps://lemuriaspeculative.wordpress.com
RECOMMENDED READING LIST ON EVOLUTION:> The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins> The Extended Phenotype - Richard Dawkins> The Revolutionary Phenotype - J.F. Gariepy> Evolution and the Theory of Games - John Maynard Smith> Animal Signals - John Maynard Smith> The Red Queen - Matt Ridley> Mendel's Principles of Heredity - Bateson & Mendel> Population Genetics: A Concise Guide - John H. Guillespie> The Largest Avian Radiation: The Evolution of Perching Birds, or the Order Passeriformes by Jon Fjeldså, Les Christidis, and Per G. P. Ericson>The Cambrian Explosion: The Construction of Animal Biodiversity by Douglas Erwin>Carboniferous Giants and Mass Extinction: The Late Paleozoic Ice Age World by George McGhee Jr.>Triassic Life on Land: The Great Transition by Hans-Dieter Sues>On the Prowl: In Search of Big Cat Origins by Mark Hallett and John Harris
I like seed worlds and speculative ecologies. Imagining how species interact and form novel ecosystems is fun.
>>5040573why are people incapable of fixing the OP?
>>5040573Ay, thanks for putting an image of my project
what about a bird but with bat wings?
>>5041366It kinda happened already.
>>5041366The problem is that bird wing fingers are locked tightly together, the opposite of a bat wing.>>5041368This, but apparently they weren't good fliers/gliders
>>5041155it's a tradition at this point
>>5041368Why would birds evolve in this direction when their wings are much more efficient than bat wings?
>>5041464They're not as efficient though. One feather too less and they're flightless, while bats can operate with 20% of their wing membranes gone.Further, bird wings are mostly dead tissue, while bat wings are living tissue all the way and can flex and bend, adding more agility
>>5041464They didn't evolve in that direction. Scansoriopterygids are well outside of Avialae and represent a totally independent evolution of flight in dinosaurs. And they're a lineage that was probably outcompeted by birds given that there's no evidence of them outside of the Jurassic
>>5041464no, bird wings are really inefficient, theyre only good at soaring, not so much with tight turns, also bird are kinda badly "designed" at flying, because you have legs, which do nothing to aid with flying, only landing.and think about the amount things that a species to go through to achieve feathers, its like intelligence, theres a much easier path that have existed and worked, pterosaurs were extremely successful, lizards and squirrels have developed skin flaps, by all accounts feathers are a fluke that really shouldnt exist
>>5040574Largest Avian Radiation: The Evolution of Perching BirdWhere can I get a free PDF of this? It's not on libgen
>>5042244I don't think anyone has scanned it. It's not on Zlibrary either and it seems to only be available in hardcopy. I haven't found any digital copies for sale.
>>5040573bumpu
>>5042231Pterosaurs were even worse at tight turns and such than birds, there's a reason birds outcompeted pterosaurs at every small niche
>>5043396Not true, there were small pterosaurs in the Late Cretaceous like Piksi. There simply are not enough sites with high degree of preservation.Pterosaur wings were pretty efficient, more so than bird wings but perhaps not as much as bat wings
>>5043396yes, but pterosaurs got fucking hueg, 10 meters across and as heavy as 500 lbs, the heaviest bird was 7 meters across at 270lbs, and wasnt some bitchass scavenger, it was a predator through and through because it didnt waste its time on legs, it put all its effort into wingsthe only reason why birds are successful is because pterosaurs arent around, and even then, the moment they suffer a setback, bats are waiting to take over the diurnal timeslot
>>5043588there were some small ones remaining but given that pterosaurs went extinct while multiple separate bird lineages made it through, that's a fairly good indicator that the smaller niches were dominated by birds birds absolutely had several advantages in several niches over pterosaurs, as evidenced by them managing to establish themselves while pterosaurs were already widespread, same thing with bats having advantages in several niches over birds>>5043591Bats can't soar, so any aerial niche that requires it is pretty safe for birds, now that does leave them possibly vulnerable to getting pterosaur'd but bats have been around for a while and haven't really managed to intrude on the passerines in any way
>>5043628>multiple separate bird lineages made it throughnot multiple, only three and barely
>>5043628bruh, soaring is literally just holding your arms out, its not rocket scienceand again, moving into a niche while its occupants are still there is extremely difficult, and bats have only existed for 50 million years and have taken over the entire nocturnal timeslot, birds have been around for 140 million and all they got is owls
>>5043689three is multiple, the fact three made it through and 0 pterosaurs is not just purely through luck, birds were represented significantly better in niches that would let them survive the K-Pg event >>5043690And bats can't do it, their specific form of flight and their wing structure simply can't give them controlled soaring unless it is completely restructured, and none of the niches bats occupy really give them evolutionary pressure to evolving it, since it would likely come at a cost of their maneuverability which leads to momentary fitness decrease And I already mentioned that bats are better at several niches, just a couple in particular that they're unsuited to taking from birdsthere's also nightingales, nightjars both of which have large distribution
>>5043628>that's a fairly good indicator that the smaller niches were dominated by birdsno it isn'tthe three lineages of birds that survived were all ground nesting semi-terrestrial animals, the more arboreal enantiornithes which were the dominant clade of birds at the time that you'd be arguing out competed pterosaurs all died out as well.
>>5043725>>5043690>>5043628>>5043628Fruit bats are known to soar
>>5040574I highly recommend this book: https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324061748Out of everything I've read on evolution, I'd say that no book does a better job of conveying fundamental principles of evolution in a very intuitive way. Not only that, but it goes on to bridge the gap between evolutionary theory, mathematical/physical aspects of lifeform morphology, animal behaviour and human species-typical behaviour. It's an amazing introductory read, but even for those already involved in the evolutionary sciences it has the potential to provide new insights on material that most would consider rudimentary. This is the 9th edition but the document formatting is kind of shitty: https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/robert-boyd/pdf-epub-how-humans-evolved-download/This is the 8th edition and contains the original textbook formatting: https://dokumen.pub/how-humans-evolved-8nbsped-9780393603453-9780393630114.html
>>5043917is pic saying that as animals get bigger their strength does not scale accordingly because their internals does not keep up, because i dont understand what its ratio to fixed area volume matters unless thats what it means and this is jargon
New Kaimere Videohttps://youtu.be/kfrVXc9j0f4
>>5045485more like gaymere amirite
>>5045485Why is the Serradens video no longer up? I watched the Sauropod video and it made me want to watch the Carcharodontosaur video, and it doesn't seem to be there.Anyways, here are some other new-ish videos from other projects.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475Cun9fqaEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZnTBLix4Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8FZcdfWvDY
My parents offered me the "After Man" book by Dougal Dixon for my 13th birthday. I was madly in love with this book at the time and I still have it !
>>5045635picrel
>>5045485>my favorite tranny self-insert D&D campaign journal uploaded another video guys!!!!Not spec evo, kill yourself, lmao.
Random thought I had recently. Aren't there some horses that live right next to the ocean, like the sable island horses? Horses are notoriously chunky and can get hurt from laying down too long, like a lot of marine mammals. I wonder if they could eventually adapt to be semiaquatic or fully aquatic eventually? What do you think?
>>5045733Problem is that only have one digit, so the transition from a columnar leg to a paddle would be hard.
>>5045915could go with a penguin or ichtyosaur arrangement, maybe (penguin: widening the bone and adding structure using soft materials, icthyosaur: duplicating bone)
>>5043690>and all they got is owlsand all bats got are bats. what's your point?
>>5043690>and all they got is owlswait was this a serious post? there's at least dozens of nocturnal bird lineages. nightjars and potoos, night parrots, kiwi, etc
Snaiads be like
>>5047173don't remind me koseman is so disgusting
>>5047173>>5047438Now teasing the chinese with a creature they will never be able to each or turn into pills for erectile dysfunction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSGdsqLgRYk
