Is making incest babies animal abuse?
It is needless suffering, yes. The more you lool at old breeding standards the more you realize breeds were never pedigree, they were regulary outsourced to maintain bloodlines. It is only when you approach the 20th century where inbreeding becomes common practice.
>>5044521>The more you look*
Though not as obvious and fast as the hind legs, GSD noses are being smashed and slammed too
>Is making incest babies animal abuse?if the lines are free from disease with good temperments, objectively, no. it would be dysgenics at that point if you let the dog breed with whatever is available.
>>5044531t. Hapsburg
>>5044527This. I have seen the chinese lines and it is beyond parody on how deformed they are now. It's horrific.>>5044531I hope you are not trying to infer collies by that pic and it is actually a different breed anon.
>>5044527give show breeders enough time and every dog will be brachycephalic
>>5044534It's because they're women and they prefer the infant mimicry.>>5044531>B-bettering the breed!Every breed the AKC gets its hands on trends towards a <12 year lifespanThey do not test for polygenic diseases like cancer and epilepsy nor can they, and they can only be avoided by cutting off valuable stud lines and outcrossing destroying the purity and heritage
>>5044533>chinese german shepherdsIt's fucking real
>HERRO FERRO ARYAN HROUNDS
Fresh from the "canine industry".Of course China would talk about dogs like freshly forged beams from a fucking steel foundry.
>>5044551>blue spots on tonguedefinitely crossed with a shar-pei or chow
>>5044531>"random mutations that can cause issues can reach me if I fuck my immediate family!"Yeah, good luck with that
>>5044551Super unethical I know but imagine the snuggles...
>>5044551nice tongue
>>5044518SMASHED>>5044534SLAMMED
>>5044518I got mine in 2022. He looks kinda fat in this picture, but he isnt. Its just the angle and his fur. I keep him very lean.
>>5044518I was much happier when I was a child ignorant of the world's cruelties.
>>5044536The fact that China has access to this beautiful breed keeps me up at night.
>>5044720>2019 my wife convinces me I can't keep thinking the world is going to end and we need to have kids>2020: the world ends>I now have 3 kidsbros.... it just gets worse every minute....
>>5044543>genetically ruined>shoved inside crate all daywhich way german dog?
>>5044543People without soulsThey aren't capable of seeing the difference between a rat and a dog, or a human and a dog for that matter. All life is just animate matter.
>>5044518That's one old dog
>>5044518Yes, plus the more popular types of dogs have a lot of genetics defects because of all the inbreeding and bad traits, check pugs, bulldogs, bald cats, every single one has worse life conditions that a random mutt
>>5044862And yet pugs for some reason have long lifespans
>>5044518Once again Nazis did it better.
>>5044659>needing luckWe have gene screening, you troglodyte.
>>5044890They still get shorter numbers than other small dogs without flat faces.
>>5044518Just fuck your third cousine instead of your sister. Its THAT easy.
>>5044860Kek
>>5044535fag
>>5044543approaching toadline level
>>5044704What a fat lard
>>5045035How double dog dare you slander my dog like that?
>>5044540>>5044536>>5044543>>5044547jesus christ is everything the chinese do a crude, soulless facsimile of something once beautiful? Even the dogs look like fucking mongoloids now
>>5044540>HERRO FERRO ARYAN HROUNDSOooooooooh herro preez!
>>5044675>imagine the snu-BLRBLBLBLLBRBLBLLLBBRBLLLBBBLRBLBLLBLLBBB
>>5044518More importantly, are German shepherds more mental as a result of this? I swear every one of them I meet can't get along with other dogs. The only nice one I ever met was a stray and was probably not inbred.
>>5045885I know 2 sheps and both hardly ever bark and they get along with me just fine.
Ignoring breeding in relation to pet shows and other shit, are dog breeds like the German Shepherd actually in danger of becoming malformed atrocities?
>>5046187No
>>5046189Cool. Good to hear. Doggies and kitties need to be kept cool and cute looking as well as healthy.
>>5046187If you breed any dog to a "working standard" you are actually just following old breeding guidelines. Most breeds prior to the 19th and 20th century had very generous tolerances in what physical characteristics was required to be classed as such. Mastiffs for instance had no restriction on colour and just had to be a large bodied dog, it being judged by weight or a tight short muzzle was never an actual consideration. Look into any breed and compare for yourself the characteristics described then and compare it to the breeding standards of today. Even Spitz have become malformed, pic rel is what Pomeranians used to look like.
>>5046202Wait so modern breeding methods are actually worse? I thought they prioritized health?
>>5046206>Wait so modern breeding methods are actually worse? I thought they prioritized health?Wait, you seriously don't know this? Anon, breeding standards were never as specific as what we have now. Dog health has gotten WORSE over the course of the 20th and 21st century with the introduction of modern breeding standards. Pic rel is what is known as a "Sussex Bulldog", it is a British Bulldog bred according to the old standards and descriptions prior to the 19th and 20th century. Despite being exactly to spec and way healthier than "modern British Bulldogs" it is not officially recognised despite existing for 50 years now as a breed because the industry around the "modern" breed want's to protect pre-existing breeders as well as established show lines that are heavily over valued in the stud market.
>>5046212But is this largely contained to what I said, being for shows and rich weirdos? Hopefully, yes. I don't go on /an/ too often and I've only heard tangentially this breeding stuff in a /an/ thread on /v/ and I didn't fully understand it.
>>5046218>But is this largely contained to what I said, being for shows and rich weirdos?No. What you need to understand anon is that if you want to sell dogs and market them as "x" breed in any official capacity you need to have registered bloodlines to prove your dogs are "authentic". These bloodlines come from show bred dogs or at the very least dogs bred to conform to modern standards. So when said standards cause Border Collies to literally get dog AIDs or Dobermans to have hearts so big they explode they will trickle down into consumer marketplaces, not just the showroom.
>>5046219How does it trickle down? Wouldn't you just be taking one inbred dog, breeding it with an outside dog from the bloodline and then just it would expend or use up just one dog or two dogs in the population every generation? They're not having a bunch of exponential amount of dogs breeding, are they? Not usre of how genepools work but there's retards among us but even if they are able to breed, there's plenty of healthy bloodlines in humanity. I imagine there's enough outside bloodlines that dogs are able to overcome this. Am I wrong?
>>5046299If we are assuming the health problems do not come from the physical structure of the breed's body plan (i.e brachycephalic facial features, apple head, weak hip/joints ect ect) and entirely intrinsic genetic illness, in theory yes, but that is not how outbreeding works. If you take dog A who has genetic aids and you take dog B which is the same breed but without genetic aids and cross them, that does not cancel out the genetic aids, it's often still passed on and what you have done is actually taint a bloodline which didn't have genetic aids with one that has it. And again, this is assuming we are ignoring the intrinsic physical problems with how modern breeds are shaped. Even if you cure Chihuahuas of issues like CM/SM or Heart Disease, you are still going to get a dog that naturally forms holes in it's skull. You could make a Doberman free of Heart Hypertrophy but it will still slowly cripple itself over time due to its body weight on its joints. If you want to avoid those issues you would need to fundamentally alter the breeds and cut off bloodlines while breeding in lines of completely different breeds entirely.In other words, you would need to breed them the same way you would with working dog types.
>>5046299Oh wait I forgot to consider this but do all of the shelters and people who actually buy dogs then want this angulation of a German shepherd dog's leg just because they could win money at the competition? Is that why it actually does impact the dog's genepool and diversity? Holy fuck I hate this shit. You're making animals suffer for money and these shows are the same as the cruelty we have hated and gotten rid of in zoos, circuses, and other stuff but because this is a bit more nebulous, America decides we can live with it even if in due time we'll get screwed hard.
>>5046303Read some akc breed standards. The GSD one is particularly interesting.
>>5046302Ah so the best way to save a specific breed is to just find more of the same breed untainted or just find another dog type and start making new types of dogs. Man genes can be diabolical sometimes. Guess eugenics in some way is beneficial to humanity? I haven't looked at gene stuff so I don't know if we already have concretely said that eugenics is a good thing for years now or something.I looked up apple head. Ugh. What a fucking disgusting thing.Welp, time to breed my male golden retriever dumbass with my strong, serious, german shepherdess or my female golden retriever bimbo with my brooding and dark german shepherd. JK but that would be something some Japanese mangaka would write.Unless the genetic problems of goldies would be bad. Not sure how it works.
>>5046307I read a little. The most egregious part that I could discern without knowing shit and glancing at it was the end where it said the hind legs can't stand in parrallel lines away from each other and that parrallel way is the natural way it should walk. Otherwise it gets dysplagia or something and looks like OP's pic. Ugh. And the thing was written in the 1970's and was reformatted in like 1994 so this shit still gets followed. They're making dogs walk like retards because they think it looks good. This is the same abominable taste retards always get when they control what gets created for recreation like movies, TV, games, books, etc. It's all fucking retards ruining any type of entertainment or recreation in service of some perverted corruption of beauty or fun. Man...they even say the males and females should exhibit those qualities of their sex/gender but then force them to live with being crippled.
>>5046310There are some pretty decent studies you can read on how conformation does or doesn't cause musculoskeletal disorders. A lot of the stuff people say on here is just memes.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73550-x>In conclusion, several biomechanical parameters are affected by the GSD’s slope of the back and not by its curvature. Further studies are required to determine whether the variation in movement, posture and conformation within the breed relates to an increased susceptibility to musculoskeletal disorders.
This is why two mutt dogs with good temperament are the superior breeding stock.
>>5046313So a lot of it is indeterminate. But inbreeding is still bad and probably increases the likelihood of bad shit in whatever form it takes. That much I do know.
