Is it immoral to put cows in "rape racks" and artificially inseminate them? It's standard practice in the industry
imagine being tied up and restrained so a big black bull can have his way with you.
>>5046007Why is it done, though? Is it so pregnant cows can give us milk? If so then I think it's ok because I really really like milk.
>>5046015like trump said they let you do it, hopefully they don't change their mind after they're tied up and have their neck locked in! It'll be too late then haha
>>5046016Cows like human women only make milk after giving birth so they must be impregnated
>>5046018>women only make milk after giving birthmy exwife lactated before giving birth and i've seen pornographic films of lactating pregnant women so i'm guessing you're either a virgin or a victim of the american education system (or both).
>>5046020there's cases of biological men lactating. I'm talking about in most cases and large quantities of milk
what a life for that cow. having sex all day while robots suck the milk out of your tits.
>>5046021>biological menwhat the fuck is a "biological" man?
>>5046007>Is it immoralNearly all human societies did it since the neolithic so by definition, no.
>>5046028that's also true of human chattel slavery
>is it immoral to force an ugly cow to have sex
>>5046007women crave the certainty and security of the rack
>>5046016Because keeping a bull is a major pain in the ass. Im having my bull turned into steaks because he has started breaking my fences to get closer to the neighbors cows.
>>5046040murderer
yes
if it wasn't immoral then it wouldn't be fun
>>5046045true .. ethics don't include morals (necessarily)
>>5046051>pilpulJust be a good person
>>5046007I'm not sure, can you post videos of mares being artificially inseminated, so I can judge if it's immoral for myself?
>>5046042My cow, my choice.
>>5046059>has child >wife dies in childbirth>child has tay sacs>my child my choice >decides to sell baby into slavery for painful human medical experimentation
>vegan dont encourage/joke about atrocities against man challenge: FAILED(as always)Speciesism is a moral necessity.
>>5046024A natal male. A person with testicular tissue who produces small gametes. Someone with a Y chromosome. That a good enough answer for you, troon?
>>5046061Weird larp
What about thishttps://youtu.be/Gm7uHuJJbLMThey're free to walk away any time they wish to but they don't because they are in heat and want to be inseminated
>>5046007I think it should be done to feminists after they are sterilized. Put the rape racks in men's prisons and have the niggers line up...
>>5046400It would still be wrong for an adult human to artificially or naturally inseminate a human child or human severely mentally handicapped adult even if they are "in heat"
>>5046423Good thing animals aren’t people thenIf you would like to dispute thisWould you shoot a man who was about to start culling a herd of cattle?Would you shoot a mass shooter or let those people die despite already having your hand on the trolley lever with the worth of the one man being a known quantity? If you answer anything but no to and then yes to 2, you are pure fucking evil and don’t belong within 2 miles of another human being.
>>5046429Yes. I'd prefer it to look like an accident for practical reasons but in principle yes YesHope this helps Non human beings and persons are a good argument for veganism.. so is name the traithttps://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTraitThis dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-Mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9Ahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3DIf someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)
>>5046431Ok. You are pure evil. Didnt read the rest of your cope. You would murder a farmer for feeding his family. You are evil. Animals are not people. If your goal is to add vegans to the collective right wing hit list, you’re doing a great job. Please join antifa and go crusading against ranchers so we can be rid of you and some proud boys can get the action they said they wanted. It is ok to eat animals but not people because the trait is HUMANITY.
Will Donald Trump ban vegans from owning guns? This thread says "hopefully"
>>5046431when you remove arbitrary emotion from ethics, without God’s demands still there to guide you, you become something called evil. "i am the most logical being you will ever meet" - satan (yes, satan actually said this last thursday)this is a tried and true theory. humans have emotion for a reason. it’s not an atavism. it’s a vital organ. use it or be a walking corpse. if you lack it you are quite literally less than an entire human being. you need to be on external morality support for your entire life.
>>5046435>You would murder a farmer for feeding his family. You are evil.If a farmer had two children with rare diseases and rare blood types and I happened to be an exact match,I would kill (not murder) that farmer in self defense if he tried to kill me to harvest my organs/blood to save his children's lives.>It is ok to eat animals but not people because the trait is HUMANITYYou refuse to engage with name the trait and debate what it means to be human. You'll just say >impossible hypothetical >Science fiction >proto humans don't exist anymore!>>5046443I have lots of emotional empathy for lots of non human animals.
>>5046007Conditional.For factory farming, designer breeding, and other stupid shit? Immoral. For the preservation and replenishment of an endangered declining species? Absolutely moral.
>>5046446Your vital organ is defective and unable to function normally. Your emotions are as good as a malformed and stunted leg. A prosthesis (religion) could be attached but you are fundamentally evil and must live and die begging God for forgiveness. You said that you would murder a farmer to protect a herd of cattle. If you genuinely would, you are simply evil. There is no pilpuling around this or changing the subject. Logic can not save you because logic must eventually operate on real concepts, not simulacra. You are, by default, claiming tobe an immense threat to all other people unless you fuck off right now and go deep, quite deep, into religious servitude to a substitute source of good.This is not debatable. You said you would murder a human being to protect a cow. You have no moral position.
>>5046449>animal rights are bad>because they just are okay!
>>5046450Animals can have "rights" but never, ever do they supersede humans. Ever. Your stunted intellect is a piss poor substitute for a soul.
>>5046451>yes I would rather a billion pigs be tortured to death then kill one human like Stalin
>>5046449Based.
>>5046452>pilpulThe human is not of a known quality in the scenario you responded to. No walking back. Stalin is the mass shooter. He is by default someone who must be killed IF nothing else can stop him before he kills anyone else. The farmer you said you would murder and try and get away with murdering was not stalin.
>>5046455You are pilpuling and incredibly bad faith. You said >Animals can have "rights" but never, ever do they supersede humans. Ever.Stalin doesn't have to be "the mass shooter"He can be out of power and in an American jail cell. My point stands
>>5046457Then killing stalin over torturing a million pigs is wrong. End of. Animals are not people. People are more important than animals.
>>5046458and you refuse to debate what it means to be a human/person >>5046431https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40952000/#q40957139
>>5046459A human is a human. It is self evident. Should you put your doubt into practice and i loathe to know the consequences. Even an alien person from another planet would be doubtlessly, a person. You strike me as a narcissist who in lieu of true intelligence questions everything and above all those things that are most provocative and that require the least genuine effort to question. A demon of pure ego. An intelligent man knows some things are not advantageous to question. Yours is THE path that leads to the greatest evil.
>>5046022>giwtwm
>>5046462>A human is a human. It is self evident. Should you put your doubt into practice and i loathe to know the consequences.I loathe factory farming. I loathe the consequences of your worldview>Even an alien person from another planet would be doubtlessly, a person.Why? Because they can reason? Because if this alien isn't a member of the human species and is still a person I don't know what other trait it would be that makes them a person. But there's members of the human species who can not reason and never will be able to because they are severely mentally handicapped and missing parts of their brain. We still grant them rights and I see no reason not to also grant pigs rights.
>>5046467The mentally handicapped people you fantasize about murdering can still reason and are still self evidently people.They are also clearly not pigs. >if you think humans are more important than animals you support factory farming!I don’t. Factory farming is not necessary. Or setting the stage for our long term survival. And it demonstrates poor moral character and even attracts and encourages it, harming humans beyond the zoonoses and contaminated meat. Let us recall;You said you would murder a man to spare a herd of cattle. That is all that needs to be known. You are a creature without a soul.
>it's another faggot vegan thread
Vegans are the most evil people on earth once you get them talking
>>5046059I hope you choke on your food you fucking monster.
>>5046468>The mentally handicapped people you fantasize about murdering can still reason and are still self evidently people.???There's non human animals which are more intelligent and more able to reason then some disabled humans. Some non human animals can do simple counting
>>5046474And yet if we had you put the pop sci rag down you’d find the counting frog and memory wiz chimp were still lesser than the biggest downie, you fucking idiot. You talk like a soulless AI. Your logic is incompatible with natures and essences. It is out of your scope. Did you force yourself to be this stupid and evil or were you just born a severely autistic sociopath? Turn yourself in at the nearest monastery and accept Christ.
>>5046476I never said down syndrome. How about anencephaly?You are incredibly bad faith and that should be obvious to anyone else reading this thread. I'm done engaging with you
A perfectly good thread that could have been about forcing women into breeding racks and hooking milking machines to them, all ruined by faggy ethics.
>>5046479A body without any brain at all is a human body, not a human being, essentially dead except for an autonomous nervous system. They should be interred with the respect a human body deserves. See: demonstrating, encouraging, and practicing good moral character. It is demanded by human nature. And you are a human body and brain without a fully formed human soul, a creature that confessed it would murder and cover up the murder of a cattle rancher in the name of animal rights. You need restorative treatment until you learn to stop being evil.
>>5046473This is the soon to be steaks. The cow not the horse. He was born on my property and I spent a lot of money and time raising him for the exact purpose of becoming sustenance for me and my family. He has had a really good life living in big fields and eating lots of grass.I recently sent a pig I raised to slaughter because she was a really bad mom. Ended up crushing one of the two that survived the vet assisted birth and then stopped feeding the remaining piglet. Vet bill was over 1000 dollars to save her life. I probably wont even break even selling the meat she produced. The good moms need zero intervention when they're giving birth aside from bringing them some food and water a few times a day because they're nesting.That's just reality when running a business. There's no room for bad momma pigs or misbehaving cows...
>>5046481And you probably believe a human body is more important than the lives of billions of pigs. Also there's debate about whether some humans with anencephaly have some amount of consciousness. And there's plenty of other examples of humans with different disabilities who are less intelligent and less able to reason then the average chimp. You dodged and went straight to down syndrome because you're bad faith
>>5046484You are fundamentally defective and don’t understand a thing. "Intelligence" like yours is a grim reminder of how god awful an AI could be. >anencephalics are consciousThey are not. The spine and brainstem are not capable of thought. The spine can learn to walk but not think. >some people are totally dumber than chimps!In some ways all people are dumber than chimps. And they are called people with disabilities, not "humans", you soulless abomination. In the same room as them I wonder if you would be able to choose a chimps life over theirs. If you truly would you are evil beyond redemption.
>>5046024My god, youre retarded
>>5046482>This is the soon to be steaks. The cow not the horse. He was born on my property and I spent a lot of money and time raising him for the exact purpose of becoming sustenance for me and my family. He has had a really good life living in big fields and eating lots of grass.Having a good life is a reason killing them is wrong. If an animal lives a net bad life they should not be bred into existence by humans. If an animal is living a good life they should not have their good life cut short to min max profits. >I recently sent a pig I raised to slaughter because she was a really bad mom. Ended up crushing one of the two that survived the vet assisted birth and then stopped feeding the remaining piglet. Vet bill was over 1000 dollars to save her life. I probably wont even break even selling the meat she produced.pigs aren't "good" or "bad" moms. Like a severely mentally handicapped human they lack mens rea. If I jump into a river and destroy my 5000 dollar shoes to save a drowning person's life that doesn't entitle me to their body. This post is sick.
>>5046488Killing them for food is not wrong. A cow is not a person. It is not even part of a person. It has no right to life. Only the right not to be tortured. And that right is the only right its feeble brain can desire. Because it is a cow.
>>5046488says the literal demon that cant tell people from animals, wants to murder farmers, and thinks eating disabled children is the same as eating pork?i’m not a fan of eating pigs and no naive and sane person would be, it takes anti-pig propaganda or some desperation for this arrangement because pigs are self evidently kindred spirits, but you’re a sick motherfucker.
>>5046488If I had to push a button to torture one human with hydranencephaly >>5046490>It has no right to life. Only the right not to be tortured. And that right is the only right its feeble brain can desire. Because it is a cow.I'd argue they can't "desire" either right. They're not intelligent enough to "desire" either. But they are capable of benefiting both from a right not to be tortured and a right to life. If they are living a net good life in which they experience little suffering and lots of wellbeing then it would be in their best interests not to have their life cut short. Again there's humans who are edge cases such as babies or severely mentally handicapped adults who can't "desire" a right to life or a right not to be tortured because they're not intelligent enough to desire either, but they'd still benefit from having those rights granted to them by humans who are intelligent enough to desire them.
>>5046493>>5046485If I had to push a button to torture one human with hydranencephaly to death or push a button to torture 1 billion chimps to death I'd push the button to torture the one human to death. Because I'm not a speciesistThe human is less intelligent and less able to reason Less able to experience suffering and well-being Etc etc
>>5046493You lack the ability to understand universal natures and essences. >>5046494Speciesism is a moral duty.You are essentially saying you would mutilate a corpse rather than torture an animal. The only case where such a body had the chance to develop was a 32 year old reflex machine, that is, a corpse. But the reason you say it is abhorrent.If this were a PERSON who still had part of one hemisphere you would be truly evil for prioritizing the mere computational power of a chimp over their humanity.
>>5046500Yes, there are documented cases of individuals with hydranencephaly who exhibit behavioral signs indicative of consciousness, such as responsiveness to their environment, emotional expressions, and awareness of familiar people or stimuli. This challenges the traditional view that the cerebral cortex is essential for all forms of consciousness, as these individuals often lack most or all cortical tissue, with subcortical structures potentially supporting basic awareness.Key evidence includes:- A survey of 108 caregivers found that 96% of children with hydranencephaly were reported to feel pain, 81% were aware of their surroundings, 79% showed interest in music, and many demonstrated behaviors like smiling or laughing in response to emotions, recognizing parents' voices, and normal sleep-wake cycles—traits incompatible with a vegetative state.- Specific cases, such as those documented by Shewmon et al. (1999), describe hydranencephalic children who could distinguish toys, show affective responses (e.g., anxiety toward strangers), display basic empathy, and even pass a mirror test by repeatedly smiling at their reflection, suggesting self-awareness.- One individual lived to age 33, and others showed intentional play, vocalizations, and emotional reactions like crying or laughing, with clinicians noting they "definitely felt emotions" rather than being in a vegetative state.While survival is often limited (many die in infancy), prolonged cases with these conscious-like behaviors have been observed, often attributed to brainstem and subcortical functions.
>>5046493Notice this literal fucking demon keeps babbling but won’t defend their answer>>5046431It answered yes, twice, that it would murder a man to save a cow. You lack the ability to comprehend nature and essence. You are disconnected from the real. Your behavior is that of a disembodied reasoning program that is not meant to live life or serve life, but serve the more intelligent being that created it, if such an ethereal mind had a defect that caused it to cease to obey its creator. An “existence” that was never intended to have free will, such that its creator would know it was fated to defect and the development of a severely disordered independence it is ill suited for. Yes, a literal demon.
>>5046501I already covered this you fucking demon. Not all cases of hydranencephaly result in total obliteration of the entire cerebral cortex. There remains a thin layer, and sometimes a noticeable chunk, that due to being human in design is capable of human consciousness and the cycle of self sustaining self existence. In these cases they are people. And in these cases you, being a demon lacking comprehension of essence and nature, would torture a human being to death because a chimp has more computational capacity. You ought to be sealed away in service of a substitute source of good in case you may develop a soul.
>>5046501>let me tell you how these retards are still human and then conclude that they should be tortured to death instead of chimps because chimps can remember more numbersif its not possession demonic nature is the worlds oldest allegory for marxism
>>5046502>>5046500>>>/x/41084998>>5046504>And in these cases you, being a demon lacking comprehension of essence and nature, would torture a human being to death because a chimp has more computational capacity.Referring to the subjective experience (consciousnesses, suffering, well-being, etc) of a chimpanzee as "computational capacity" actually makes you seem like a psychopath. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bic8uBamSnMHope this helps
>>5046488It makes no difference if a cow lives for 2 years or 20 years. I don't think cows even understand the concept of age. If you send me 10k dollars Ill use it to keep the bull alive for his entire natural life. That's roughly how much feed will cost for 10-13 years.Yes the pig is a bad mom because unlike the other pigs it didn't make a nest to birth in, it wasn't careful around its babies to the point of killing them, it stopped feeding her children, and the vet said that her cervix was unusually small, so she would most likely need assistance when birthing again and probably give birth to 7 still borns like her last try.>>5046491Some pigs, but not all from my experience. There are a couple I own that are weirdly self aware and intelligent. As smart as a very smart dog or more and smarter in some ways. Other ones are just hungry bastards. Theyre all way smarter than cows.I don't think I could bring myself to have those specific ones killed for meat. I have 8 sows and 2 boars that are basically my pets. Their children are going to be raised for meat. Rotational pasture with lots of good forage.
>>5046508A human is a human, and ergo more valuable than any animal. I do not care how much intelligence they lack. If they know they exist, they do, and a human that knows they exist is of supreme value.Hope this helps. Also, yes, you are a demon.
>>5046510>A human is a human, and ergo more valuable than any animal.Humans are animals >I do not care how much intelligence they lack. If they know they exist, they do, and a human that knows they exist is of supreme value.There's humans that can't pass a mirror test. There's animals that can.
>>5046509>It makes no difference if a cow lives for 2 years or 20 years. I don't think cows even understand the concept of ageThere's humans who do not understand the concept of age. I think it matters that these humans live as long a life as possible if they are living good lives.
>>5046511>humans are animalsAnd birds are dinosaurs but would you mistake a chicken for a tyrannosaurus rex? Cladism is for studying evolutionary biology and nothing else. It is an abstract tool. Not truth itself. You would know this if you were capable of fully human reasoning. The mirror test is clearly polluted to any reasoning individual. A non consciousness can pass it by correlating motor actions with visual information. A consciousness can fail it by being unwilling to perform the expected action or coming up with an alternate theory for the nature of the mirror. You would know this already if you weren’t demonic.And you would know that voluntarily torturing a human being to death because a chimpanzee exhibits more intelligence is simply wrong. Because you would know the most skeletal human consciousness is still distinctly human. Demon check:1: Do you have non-heteronormative sexual tendencies? Homosexuality? Zoophilia? Pedophilia?2: Do you regularly fantasize about killing /torturing people?3: In a horrid little city where nothing has any repercussions down to the last consequence and your darkest desires only benefit you, and evil will never be done unto you, for what reason do you not do evil, and for what reason shouldn’t you do evil?4: Can you say "I love God and shall do what He says for he is wise and he is the Lord" out loud?5: Does your value system still function if you can not consider personal experiences, only higher goals?
>>5046007>Is it immoral to put cows in "rape racks" and artificially inseminate them?Yes, but it is also hot.
>>5046516unless the cows want it and like it, its necessary to continue producing food, and you dont pop a stiffy then its fine
>>5046515>The mirror test is clearly polluted to any reasoning individual. A non consciousness can pass it by correlating motor actions with visual information. A consciousness can fail it by being unwilling to perform the expected action or coming up with an alternate theory for the nature of the mirror.Robots passing the test doesn't debunk it. The explanation that an animal notices the dot on themselves is the most likely explanation. Most animals don't notice the dot. No one claims the test is perfect, it's good evidence for self awareness. I'm not engaging with your bad faith ad hominems.
>>5046520He kind of BTFO youPassing the mirror test is uncertain evidence for consciousness, not passing it is not evidence of lacking consciousness.And I have a feeling you'd choke on your words, say something different, or fight the urge to gag if you had to record yourself saying "Christ is King, Jesus is Lord, Christ is my saviour, and I shall honor and obey God and His Word"
>>5046520Say it.
>>5046521>>5046515Most animals can not pass the mirror test. They fail it completely. This is widely accepted. There's a handful of animals which can pass the mirror test. The best explanation in my opinion and in the opinion of many experts is because that handful of animals which can pass the mirror test are more intelligent and possess some level of self awareness. This is the best hypothesis. No better hypothesis was given by him. He made no real argument. >A non consciousness can pass it by correlating motor actions with visual information. A consciousness can fail it by being unwilling to perform the expected action or coming up with an alternate theory for the nature of the mirror.Is it just a massive coincidence some of the smartest animals all just happen to pass it? Do animals which are most intelligent "correlating motor actions with visual information"Are less intelligent animals all just not interested in dots on their body? "I love God and shall do what He says for he is wise and he is the Lord"These words poosses no magic powers. You are no different than a Muslim obsessed with getting white people to recite a specific line thinking it has magic powers.
>>5046523>bro muh dots!An animal can fail the mirror test by simply not caring about removing visual debris. I have seen dogs admire themselves in mirrors instead of fighting the mirror and cats check if their ears exist.I'm still not ever going to equate an animal with a human.>that linguistic glitch after merely copying and pasting a prayerYep it's a demon
>>5046523>even in text it gags after posting the name of God
>>5046525cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>5046524And every single animal except a small handful of species just so happen to not care about removing debris? What a coincidence
>>5046513Understandably, you miss my point and replace it with a demonic strawman that fails to recognize the obvious differences between a cow and human.A cows purpose and potential is to take inedible grass and plants and convert that into meat and nutrients for humans and my dogs to eat. Even in the wild this is essentially their purpose, but replace humans with predators. You think an old ass cow or deer just dies a peaceful death of old age? No. It gets killed and eaten by predators in the most painful and gruesome way imaginable.You going to give me 10 grand to save that bull's life?
>>5046530I don't trust you and the money would be better spent being given to animal charity evaluators. Purpose isn't objective. You can't cross the is ought gap
>>5046529The species that care about removing debris happen to be extremely prone to grooming each other by manually removing debrisA dolphin has never passed the mirror test any better than this cat.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/akE2Sgg8hI8Cats do not pass the spot testI would also say this dog passes the mirror testhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIhAJ7WsozYSelf admiration behavior. But dogs do not pass the spot test.The spot test was developed for european children. You referred, I assume, to african children failing it. European children are trained to keep their faces clean. African children are taught not to remove things put on their faces by adults.
>>5046533>Purpose isn't objectiveYes it is>the is ought gapDoes not exist.He's right. You're a "demon", that is, something like it. Abhuman intelligence, lacking a "soul" (the basic set of instinctive tendencies that result in organized, mutually beneficial society) either possessed from birth (disability, bad enough to disqualify you from owning a firearm ie: severe autism) or possessed in adulthood (unchecked NPD leading to becoming a callous psuedointellectual desperate to do anything to feel better than everyone at once)
>>5046533It's just the cycle of life, but at the hand of a human. Are you going to say that predation is bad next?
>>5046540He's a pseud who fancies himself high and enlightened, and can not imagine that a value is just an excessively abstracted fact very purposefully crafted to confuse fools beyond questioning something so obvious. Think of the fool that, when tested in the mirror, would not remove the spot and wonder if the mirror was a portal instead of a reflection. They walk among us. You replied to one just now!
>>5046540Predation is bad. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag
>>5046544I click linkI see dysgenics in thumbnailI see discord after pressing arrowpoint buttonI hear nasally sperg voicesI do not waste time listening to retardSimple as.
He never did say christ is king. He copied and pasted praise for God and gagged after he did.He can denounce the talmud but there's obviously something he can't say
>>5046560>denounces talmud, hates jesus>sees everyone else as cattleVeganfag is a secular jew :o
>>5046018so milk cows are perpetually pregnant? what happens to the lil baby cows?
>>5046007is this porn
>>5046588Milk production is a supply and demand thing, so as long as you keep milking the cow will continue producing milk. Usually cows are kept in milk for like 6-8 months out of the year before they're bred again. Some cows can make 5 gallons of milk per DAY, which is very taxing on their body, so time off is important.
>>5046061based and runaway freedom pilled>>5046482tasty looking bvll>>5046588>what happens to the lil baby cows?anon I
>>5046059Your cow my choice.
>>5046423Unlike children, cows are mature and developed. Unlike retards, cows are properly mentally developed for their species / race.Holding them to human standards harms them.
>>5046603Your choice of doneness, yes, although I wont cook you a well done steak. No ketchup either. Sorry!
