It seems unlikely to me lobsters feel pain. Their sensory neurons are completely different to any mammal and they lack the ability to absorb natural opiods like endorphins/enkephalins (what more advanced nervous systems use to handle pain) and have no apparent analgesia. While RT-PCR experiments have produced a comparable mu-opioid receptor sequence identity to vertebraes (thus allowing the lobster to absorb opiods eventually) this is not naturally occurring, and is so subdued in any natural context that it suggests lobsters have no actual need for pain mitigation, further suggesting while they may register something akin to "dislike" they likely feel neither pain nor suffering.
>>5050365You presume to know what pain actually is
>>5050365>Come to 4chan.org>Navigate to /an/>Post retarded propaganda meant to engagement farmOP ur gay and I wish your entire family the deadliest of holidays.
>>5050365>It seems unlikely to me lobsters feel pain.They don't react like they do. They can lose a leg without seeming to notice as long as it doesn't coincide with a sensory impression of something as a threat. Arthropods in general are more like a complex collection of reflex reactions than what you see in the more complex animals. For example, a fly doesn't decide whether or not to flap its wings, they simply turn off when its feet touch a surface and turn on when its feet leave that surface because one of its other instincts triggered a jump.
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Newborn babies don’t feel pain either.
>>5050411>They don't react like they do.Why would they? It would be of no benefit for a lobster to signal its distress or discomfort. Whenever animals do it it's for some specific reason, to communicate weakness, sickness or injury in many circumstances lessens the chance of survival. A deer whining in pain if it twisted an ankle would make for an easy prey. However, for a deer already being devoured by wolves, its screams won't help it but they might warn the rest of its herd. When wolves fight for dominance the loser will show defeat to avoid getting gravely hurt or killed by the opponent. That is an instinct which can be eradicated in dogs bred for fighting, a pitbull that will keep biting with its guts ripped out likely still feels the same as any other dog in its place would. The nerves that inform its brain of injuries are intact but what's lacking is some mechanism triggering a reaction that could save its worthless life.
>>5050365Is it so fucking hard to kill your food before you boil it?
>>5051120no, because its a sign of high intelligence to have basic decency
>>5050365thanks OP, me and my buddies were just wondering what a schizophrenic racist on 4chan thinks of crustacean neurology and cognitionyou've once again saved the daynext we're going to discuss what a retarded creationist on 4chan think of feather evolution, can you help us out with a thread or two?
>>5051120Live cold lobster starts going bad the minute it is killed.
>>5050849>Newborn babies don’t feel pain eitherWhat the fuck are you talking about? Have you never seen a pain response check on a newborn? That's why nurses used to slap their asses
>>5051221He's probably regurgitating vegan counterarguments. They don't seem to mind just blatantly making shit up to support their cause
>>5051257It sounds more like a justification for circumcision.
>>5051221it's a fedpost mate. There's a dude going around just posting random shit like that. They change their views every five minutes. They are just pretending to be an idiot.
>>5051405No vegans are just that stupidThey’re always bringing up cannibalism, infant torture, killing the mentally disabled, etc. veganism is fundamentally a manifestation of some kind of burning hatred tinged with narcissism. Demonic.
>>5051407Go to bed fed.Take it easy with the stimulants next time ok?Pat your cat or something.
>>5051414>its duh fedsOr, the ideology that equates humans with the lowliest barnyard beast and constructs a dichotomy between absolute evil and self extinction is deranged garbage for deranged people.
Hitler was a vegetarian
>>5051421hitler pretended to be many thingscompassionatevegetarianin possession of two functioning testiclesstraightnon-pedophillicnon-zoophillicantisemiticliteratenon-blackmailedetca real mess that guy. in the end he killed two million jews and tens of millions of europeans.
It doesn't matter if lobsters feel pain, it matters if lobster pain has moral value - especially since we are causing them pain for a natural purpose (consumption).If I told you that every bacteria felt 'pain' on some level and we should stop using antibiotics immediately, you'd call me insane. If I told you that cockroaches feel pain and therefore you should let them swarm inside your house, you'd call me insane. But lobsters, oh man, their pain matters.
>>5051436causing needless pain is a sign of being a zoomer
>>5051447>needlessI gotta eat.
>>5051436>It doesn't matter if lobsters feel pain, it matters if lobster pain has moral valueHow can their pain have moral value if they don't experience pain in the first place?
>>5051426Sounds like a cool guy.
>>5051415>>5051421>>5051426Lol, definitely not beating the fed allegations any time soon.>>5051436>It doesn't matter if lobsters feel pain, it matters if lobster pain has moral value - especially since we are causing them pain for a natural purpose (consumption).This has to be a fed post too.It's just a fed posting stupid shit 24/7.>>5051447>causing needless pain is a sign of being a zoomerThere are more vegans than ever before anon so the opposite is in fact the case. and you know that. You're a fed stirring up shit.>>5051567>How can their pain have moral value if they don't experience pain in the first place?Holy shit. Finally somebody said the fucking obvious. Thank you. Yes, there's ample evidence of mammals and birds self-medicating when in pain which indicates conscious awareness of pain . Not so for reptiles, amphibians, fish, arthropods etc.
Holy shit guys I just discovered proof plants can feel pain!
A human wouldnt feel much pain if you dropped them into a giant pot of boiling water
>>5051595...
>>5051582>Not so for reptiles, amphibians, fish, arthropods etc.They scratch and clean themselves
>>5051588They scream in pain as they digest your exoskeleton.
>>5051601>They scratch and clean themselvesAha, so do starfish anon.
>>5051582>Not so for reptiles, amphibians, fish, arthropods etc.No. Even fish behave differently if they are in pain and they learn to avoid it. These animals might feel pain differently but they do feel something.
>>5051582>there are more vegans than ever beforeBecause there are more idiots than ever before, and only an idiot incapable of critical thought would fall for the "logic" underpinning veganism>Statistically, less valid than race realism, and that's a low bar>morally, makes as much sense as a religion without a god, a priest, or a miracle to its name>ethically, pure evilMuch like china has more psychopaths and atavistic tards because there are more chinese, civilization has more now vegans because as the population goes up so does the number of idiots, and the awareness of those idiots, for there are more people to be aware of them and the population density is such that they are encountered by more people, and more likely to be counted by institutions instead of left to grow up illiterate in a shack somewhere.Worry not, as progress marches on, the number of "new" vegans will begin to decline, either because civilization is improving and with education comes the ability to recognize that veganism has no valid moral, ethical, or factual basis, or because civilziation is degrading, and meat eaters will utilize their superior fitness to slaughter the infidels and convert the survivors to islam. It's lose/lose for anti-human starvation cults.At the rate the world is going (US losing hegemony) i'm putting all of my bets on china+islam wiping everything else out.
>>5051604and starfish feel pain...so whats your point
>>5051582>It's a fed postOr, it doesnt matter if lobsters feel pain. People who BTFO you aren't feds. They're just smarter than you.If it is for the benefit of man and any contemporaries he can cooperate with, the nociception of a lobster is irrelevant. It's not like lobster boiling has unique appeal to future serial rapists like cat torture does. Lobsters supposed pain is just completely irrelevant. It does not matter what a lobster feels or doesn't feel.>>5051742A robot can be programmed to avoid walls or conserve systems when damaged. It acts differently when it hits a wall or when damaged. Does it now feel pain? It doesn't matter, it's a robot.
Lol, More fed-posting.Just endless self-contradicting comments with a touch of nonsensical crazy and maybe an obviously correct factoid thrown in for good measure to lure the reader in.As an overview of fed anon's comments.>>5051771>>5051742>>5051800>Starfish and fish are consciously aware of pain because they move away from collisions like a robot and don't self-medicate like birds or mammals.>>5051800I hate humans just like serial killers. All humans and wolves are serial killers because they eat meat. Serial killers like Ted Bundy had pets that they adored. That's how you know they were serial killers. Breaking apart rocks is just as evil as drowning puppies because it doesn't matter what the rock feels or doesn't feel. It's your intention to destroy the poor rock that counts.>>5051744Vegans are stupid. People who eat meat are stupid. Islam and China are Stupid. People are more stupid now than people of the past because more people ate meat in the past. Which is also stupid. The lowest IQ ethnicities are having more children than anyone else and invading the countries of higher IQ people. There are more stupid people now. Race realism isn't valid. People who call out nonsensical fed comments are just stupid. Feds are smarter than you.
>>5051598you know im rightthe screaming you hear would be more terror than pain
>>5052025Autistic moron thinks It takes zero time for heat to transfer via conduction...Autistic moron anon thinks it's impossible for people up-close to hear nuclear bombs because they are so loud that they make you deaf...Come back for more 42 IQ logic at six.
>>5051983>vegans are stupidOnly correct sentence in this entire gay schizophrenic post./an/ would improve immensely if "fed" triggered a rangeban for a week.Ethical consistency based on nothing schizo, aka vegan schizo, aka paleoschizo, aka catredditor, has been single handedly ruining this board for five years now.
>>5052058are you the autistic moron?or who thinks these things?
>>5052068>>5052060Fed says shit that doesn't make a single shred of logical sense and then magically forgets they ever said it. More feds shitting up threads at seven.
>>5052079Dog website, carnivore planet. I will boil the lobster and you will seethe on the internet.L’chaim!
>>5050849Seek help, sicko
>>505205842 iq is so ridiculously lowlike what a 90 iq would come up with
>>5052082Nobody cares if you boil lobsters or have dogs as pets fed anon...
>>5052084exaggeration my dear autist.
>>5052091a 90 iq exaggeration
>>5052092Autistic calls people stupid because he's too stupid to understand exaggeration
>>5051318>>>/b/940434589
>>5052495Yeah to me its clear male circumcision isn't any less cruel than female circumcision but I'm sure the parents of those babies would still justify it somehow, maybe by saying they won't remember it anyway, that they had it too and they're glad, that birth itself hurts too and babies scream all the time so it probably isn't as painful as it seems. To put an end to it you'd have to outright ban it completely but I think there's other problems that need to be solved before it could happen. I wonder what would be the stance of ethical vegans on genital mutilation? It's some needless suffering for sure.
Lol I have succeeded in making the bots on this board absolutely batshit insane.
>>5052501>but I think there's other problems that need to be solved before it could happen.Antisemitism must increase? Lol we're on a good track, there's reason to be hopeful
>>5052501>Yeah to me its clear male circumcision isn't any less cruel than female circumcisionFemale circumcision is akin to cutting the entire dick off retard.
>>5052533You're the retard here. There are many different rituals and some of them are less severe than male circumcision (the "nick"). But all of it is banned and that's good. Why don't you want that boys are equally protected?
>>5052533That'd be a full clitoridectomy, which is basically never done.Female circumcision removing the prepuce is equivalent to male circumcision.If the inner labia is removed it's a bit more severe.If the clitoral glans is removed, it's somewhat less severe than removing the penis glans (masturbation becomes hard, but penetration can still result in orgasm).The majority of circumcised women do in fact still experience orgasm.Pleasure and orgasm in women with Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting (FGM/C)Lucrezia Catania 1 , Omar Abdulcadir, Vincenzo Puppo, Jole Baldaro Verde, Jasmine Abdulcadir, Dalmar Abdulcadir
>>5052548>masturbation becomes hard, but penetration can still result in orgasm).Masturbation without foreskin is equally hard. I don't understand why these two things aren't seen as equivalent.The glans is the male clitoris.
>>5050365clearly you have not thoroughly considered the lobster
>take live lobster>stab it in the brain with an actually sharp knife>lobster dies instantly>toss it into your already boiling wateris that so hard>but the flavorthe action of killing the lobster and putting in the water takes 4 seconds, it's not gonna spoil in 4 seconds. that sort of thinking is how you get satanic chinese dog festivals.>why should I kill themit's about minimizing suffering and I do not think lobsters enjoy getting boiled alive. so I give them the respect of killing them first before eating their delicious meat.
>>5052605>stab it in the brainthey don't even actually have a brain that's in just one place, their sensory processing and control nodes are distributed throughout their body
>>5052611Yeah these things are farther from us than people seem to think. One of the simplest of multicellular creatures, whose behavior appears to be largely made up of unthinking reflex actions, suffering may well be completely beyond them.
>>5052605People who don't agree with this should be fed to lions or simply culledEven if they don't have a brain, just stab them in the head anyway
>>5052628>People who don't agree with this should be fed to lions or simply culled>If people don't believe us that crabs have feelings, we should murder themSanest animal rights activist
>>5052631Get eaten, sadistI love meat, btw. But if you don't even try to minimize pain, you must be culled
>>5052634So just a normal psychopath, huh? I guess you can take comfort in the fact that at least you're not a vegan.
>>5052501Male circumcision needs to be outlawed with a death penalty for the parents that allow it and the doctors and nurses that perform it. Female circumcision needs to be mandatory under penalty of death.
>>5050365I don't think tossing them in boiling water is exceptionally cruel. The practice of freezing them then chopping brain with the knife seems more humane and isn't much more work. >>5052883Retarded faggot
