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Originally they were used for pain compliance via a remote delivery system. So if you wanted a dog to roam or to force a dog into compliance when walking without having to stop or catch up to them to use something like a riding crop or similar pain compliance device you could just press a button instead seamlessly. In the modern day they have been remarketed as pain based compliance is now seen as unethical, so it's reworded as "haptic feedback" which is literally just newspeak for pain, with high shock settings included under the justification that larger dogs need higher shocks to register the "feedback" when the reality is that it's just an excuse to backdoor the capebility for intense shocks to be deployed to induce pain compliance. There is no real point to them as there are tons of alternative approaches to dog training or behavioral modification, but people can't be assed and would prefer to just a press a button to inflict pain for immediate results.

>>5057657
It's just a crutch for people who don't want to properly train their dog or build a fence.

>>5057687
how do you electric fence and hunting dog recall?
>>5057689
is the vibrate function good enough for recall?

>>5057691
You train the dog outside of hunting to recall normally. This is standard fare for dogs like Greyhounds.
>how do you electric fence
What do you mean? Just use a normal fence if you can't train your dog to stay within the property boundry properly.

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>>5057692
most hunters use E collars. Ron Spomer loves Covey and Covey loves Ron and is always licking him in vids and there are vids of her playing with his grandkids but she has some kind of ecollar

>>5057657
I don't use it on dogs but I have one as a fetish thing

If you love your dog, buzz collars only.

The shock function isnt meant to be used but certain dog breeds are literally retarded or some kind of aggresive OCD and not affected as severely as smarter ones like aussies, huskies and shibas, or are "meant to be" neurotic bitey, barkey fuckshits anyways and abusive training is how they get all the way there. Think of it. There are two kinds of dog. The kind that runs, hides, or fights if you hit them. And the kind that grovels.

Boomers will gladly shoot type 1 and prefer type 2.

>>5057693
Hunting with dogs is also a larp unless pursuing a specific animal, ie: problem bear. The most efficient hunting methods are purely technological and use baits rather than tracking.

>>5057769
>Hunting with dogs is also a larp unless pursuing a specific animal, ie: problem bear. The most efficient hunting methods are purely technological and use baits rather than tracking.
Farming is also a huge larp since you can just raise crickets inside your apartment and scrape moss off the shower drain.

Well the average person just uses it like this.

>Dog does something that the owner doesn't like
>Owner shocks dog

It's a pretty lazy way to train a dog imo and ends up making the dog fearful and too submissive. Only really 'works' on stupid dogs. It can also just make their reactions to things worse. Like if you are trying to train your dog to stop barking out the window at the mailman, and when they do it you shock them, the dog is possibly going to start associating that shock with the mailman and not with the barking and they're going to become even more reactive to the mailman than they already were.

It all just stems from the idea that you can use your physical power to stop a dog from doing something you don't like. It's much harder but ultimately far more effective to train the dog through other methods like positive reinforcement or negative punishment. Positive reinforcement is when you give the dog a reward for doing something good. Negative punishment is when you take away something the dog wants when it does something bad. Obviously you would never do this with basic necessities like food, water or a safe place to sleep but I used it to train my dog to be able to watch out the window without barking at anything that goes by. Pretty simple - someone walks by and my dog barks, I shut the window so he doesn't have access to the thing he wants anymore. Someone walks by and he watches but doesn't bark, the window stays open. Or when my dog was a puppy he would play bite all the time so if we were playing and he would start biting me I would stop playing with him and walk away. If he played without biting I wouldn't stop until he was tired. Very effective.

My dog has a Halo collar. When he gets to his boundary, it beeps, then vibrates and only shocks if he keeps going. Since that could mean he's about to run into the road, drastic action is justified.

Anyway, he hit that shit once and has never gotten more than beeping since.

>>5057778
Low IQ low status men, ie construction workers are obsessed with using power to make animals submit. Obsessed.

It is their sole source of self worth.

The hasan fag is a nobody streamer with loser fans skating off his dads achievement… from a country with IQs in the low 90s. do the math. Notice the pattern going forward.

>>5057657
High drive hunting dogs sometimes will not be able to break their prey lock and will refuse recall. The e-collar allows you to use tone, vibrate, or shock to help snap your dog out of it. Most dogs will never actually require the shock or will require it so seldom that it might as well be never, but some that are poorly bred for obedience will.

My Irish Setter has one, I think I had her ignore tone or vibrate maybe twice in her life (she’s 8). OTOH, my cousin had a Gordon setter and he refused to get an e-collar, claiming that needing a collar was a skill issue and cruel, and I say had in the past tense because we were pheasant hunting and he winged a bird and it took off on foot with Riley in hot pursuit and the pheasant and the dog both got hit by a car because Riley was so locked on and excited for the bird that he wouldn’t listen to verbal commands and he wasn’t exercising enough caution to notice the traffic himself. It really sucked because we could tell for probably about 50 yards what was going to happen, but nothing he could do could stop it.

E-collars can be misused cruelly, but they don’t have to be and I’ll never hunt a bird dog without one unless I’m deep in the wilderness away from all roads.

You have a next-door neighbor with the most annoying yappers who do nothing but bark bark bark when they’re at work? You send them some shock collars as a not-so-subtle way to tell them that they need to get their little shits to shut up.

>>5057776
Dogsimp cope

>>5057781
hasangate was 9/11 for zoomers

>>5057687
https://youtu.be/EgmN7i7fRsM

I had one to train my dog not to walk on the road. The vibrate feature was enough though so I didn't have to use the shock

>>5057783
That should be reportable to the police for breaking noise ordinance right? Especially if it happens for hours every day.

https://youtu.be/VhSGKrkR2wg

>>5057769
>are purely technological and use baits rather than tracking.
bait's not always legal and not all tech options are legal. hunting laws are almost always weird and autistic because the fudds help write them and they are like a century old and are lower stakes than normal gun control

>>5057778
>that fucking mail man with the electricity powers

>>5057778
>Or when my dog was a puppy he would play bite all the time so if we were playing and he would start biting me I would stop playing with him and walk away. If he played without biting I wouldn't stop until he was tired. Very effective.
yeah, that's how we got my dog to stop biting

>>5057782
you were shooting pheasants on the highway?

>>5057657
I used to beat my dogs, I dont have many regrets. The force is very necessary in a lot of cases and leads to great results.

>>5057928
its also proven to be ineffective and make dogs more dangerous

consider your lacking iq score

>>5057928
You are a piece of shit.

>>5057932
Depends on how you do it and the mutt themselves. Worked great on my end. Shock collars are a more humane way to do things I guess. It genuinely works well and its why there is a market for them. I dont get the hate from sissies like yourself.

>>5057936
>>5057928
you are one piece of shit. this is why normal people don't give a shit about third worlders

>>5057936
The hate is because using positive punishment provably doesnt work as well as correct training methods (positive reinforcement and negative punishment based) unless your goal is to make your dog more aggressive, more neurotic, and groveling and desperate instead of happy.

It’s training for cops.
And cops shouldnt have dogs (and until they reverse their hiring policies and reject the unintelligent applicants in favor of smarter people, they shouldnt have guns either)

>>5057928
you just don't know how to train animals lol

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>>5057932
https://youtu.be/-N1x0oz76vE

>>5057781
Although i know what you mean, i am the person you are replying to and i am a construction worker...

>>5057865
No, we were hunting pheasants in 80 acres of public land abutting a country road.

https://youtu.be/1fpo1SItv2Q&t=202

They're illegal and considered a form of animal abuse in my country.
You could go to prison for up to 2 years for using one here.

>>5058646
unless you live in whales, that law is less than 5 years old and is likely because no one hunts or owns land in your country

>>5058648
Sweden and about 3% of the population are hunters.
Vibration collars are allowed, shock aren't. Most hunting dogs that get hurt are from wild boars.
In any case, if hunting actually had a real use-case for them ownership of them would be put under hunting license restrictions.
Of course it's pretty obvious by now that it's mostly an excuse by thirdies to mistreat animals by instilling learned helplessness.

>>5058652
sweden is literally a third world country and leads the world in rape. sweden only banned them in 2020 and I'd assume sweden doesn't have many hunting dogs with that low hunting rate. using an ecollar for normal training/inside is cruel and disgusting, but I could see it being useful for recall for an off leash dog if the beep and vibration don't work. Ron Spomer uses one on his dog, but only while hunting and she doesn't seem distressed. the turkish commie is misusing it to abuse his dog

>>5058654
>literally a third world country
No, but rapists here are all third worlders.
>I'd assume sweden doesn't have many hunting dogs
You'd be wrong. There's enough of them that there's about 600 getting hurt each year in hunting accidents, mostly to wild boar.
>recall for an off leash dog if the beep and vibration don't work
If your dog doesn't react to vibration then you're very likely not using a breed appropriate (read: intelligent) enough for hunting in the first place.

Incidentally it's nowhere near just Wales and Sweden that ban them.
Most of Western Europe (Krauts, Austrians, Frogs, Scandis, Dutch etc), a few eastern ones like Slovenians and England and chunks of Australia does as well. We're not even near the top in fines and potential prison time for using one.

>>5058657
>No,
yes
>but rapists here are all third worlders.
yeah, they are sweeds
>You'd be wrong. There's enough of them that there's about 600 getting hurt each year in hunting accidents, mostly to wild boar.
boar hunting with dogs usually requires multiple dogs per hunting party like at least 3 or 4 per boar and likely has a really high injury rate since they fight the boars and grab their ears and shit
>If your dog doesn't react to vibration then you're very likely not using a breed appropriate (read: intelligent) enough for hunting in the first place.
that's racist. Covey seems to recall without a shock but some people just bring their family dogs. Like some pitbulls retrieve waterfowl because they are family dogs
>Incidentally it's nowhere near just Wales and Sweden that ban them.
I know more nations ban them, I'm saying outside of whales, the oldest shock collar ban only dates back to 2020. you are acting all high and mighty talking about something that was legal in your country just 5 years ago.

>i sneed a shock collar to hunt!
hunting with dogs is not needed

instead of hurting dogs just bait the wild animals and brain them
>BBBUT SPORT
killing is not a sport. it is gathering food. stupid faggot. grow the fuck up and stop playing with your food. either there are too many wild animals and people need to eat them, or there aren’t. sport has nothing to do with it.

>>5058660
>hunting with dogs is not needed
dogs like to go hunting, they enjoy it.
>killing is not a sport. it is gathering food. stupid faggot. grow the fuck up and stop playing with your food. either there are too many wild animals and people need to eat them, or there aren’t.
holy shit, you are gay and autistic
> just bait the wild animals
that's illegal in a lot of places

>>5058659
>yeah, they are sweeds
Nope, they're thirdies.
>but some people just bring their family dogs. Like some pitbulls retrieve waterfowl because they are family dogs
And those people are utter fucking retards to bring out a dog that isn't intelligent enough to be calmed once the prey drive is on without giving it the electrical equivalent of a sharp kick to the guts.
Not that it needed clarified when you mentioned pitbulls.
>the oldest shock collar ban only dates back to 2020.
And? It's animal abuse wether it was banned this year or a decade ago.

>>5058663
>Nope, they're thirdies.
yeah, sweeds
>And those people are utter fucking retards to bring out a dog that isn't intelligent enough to be calmed once the prey drive is on without giving it the electrical equivalent of a sharp kick to the guts.
I don't think it's common to go shock first fill charge. I think whenever I've heard people mention it the shock feature gets rarely used and usually at a low setting
>Not that it needed clarified when you mentioned pitbulls.
pits are good dogs
>And? It's animal abuse wether it was banned this year or a decade ago.
using it as pain compliance to train your dog is bad, using it as a last resort for recall so your dog doesn't get hit by a car is a different manner. I wouldn't mind or care if they required proof of a completed hunters ed type course or hunters ed it self or proof of hunting license to buy one

>>5058665
>yeah, sweeds
I get that your kind desperately wants that to be true but you never will be anything like it no matter how much globalisthumping faggots cry about it. They're as foreign as their compatriots back in the middle east and africa and always will be.
>I don't think it's common to go shock first fill charge. I think whenever I've heard people mention it the shock feature gets rarely used and usually at a low setting
Then why have a high shock setting in the first place?
Just remove it, if that's really the case.
>pits are good dogs
They're retarded pitfighting dogs and anyone using them for anything but that got sold on a scheme by NGO cunts trying to offload "rescue" dogs they weren't allowed to outright kill anymore due to bleeding heart law changes.
Genuinely every single other dog breed under the sun is a better option to have around families and hunting. Anything with a high prey drive that isn't a trained hunting dog is liable to ruin the catch and pits are notorious for clamping down and tearing shit apart.
>I wouldn't mind or care if they required proof of a completed hunters ed type course or hunters ed it self or proof of hunting license to buy one
More or less what i'm saying. If you're going to have them for hunters then put it under the regular hunting license so retards like the turk animal abuser can't get them.

>>5058671
>I get that your
I'm white and American. the rapists are your fellow sweeds. you are the same as them in every way
>Then why have a high shock setting in the first place?
as a last resort in case verbal, beep and vibrate recalls don't work that specific time
>They're retarded pitfighting dogs
I've had a pitbull for 11 years. she's a good dog. you sound like a cowardly tranny
>More or less what i'm saying. If you're going to have them for hunters then put it under the regular hunting license so retards like the turk animal abuser can't get them.
yeah, that's fine

>>5058675
>An oxymoron if there ever was one.
There are white Americans, just like there are black sweeds, a lot of black sweeds
>Nope. They're
yup, sweedish like you. impossible to tell the difference between you and them. you both have the same IQ and smell the same
>Nope, but your
your country is literally filled with rapists and you are begging for more
>Ah, a pitmommy.
I'm a guy, my pit did nothing wrong
>No wonder you're going to bat for third-worlders.
you literally live in a third world country. your country is number 1 in rape

>>5058676
>There are white Americans, just like there are black sweeds
So there aren't any.
>impossible to tell the difference between you and them.
Figures someone who goes to bat for pits is blind as a bat.
>and you are begging for more
Guess that's why we voted in the nationalists who want to repatriate them into government.
>I'm a guy, my pit did nothing wrong
There are no guy pit owners. There's just pitmommies and faggot pitmommies.
>your country is number 1 in rape
No it's number 1 in muh rape statistics aka fraudulent bs counting rapes multiple times because feminists got upset that we used international standards back in 2005 and it made us look too good so they had to change it. It's increased since then thanks to all the thirdies internationalist retards brought over but it's still a fraudulent number based on counting each rape as multiple separate assaults.
Actual rape nations are all in Africa and the Middle East. Most of them claim to have something like 0.1% rapes because they don't recognize it as rape in the first place when they do it.

>>5058677
>So there aren't any.
like 90% of sweeds are black. most Americans ar white
>Figures someone who goes to bat for pits
you are the exact same as other sweeds
>Guess that's why we voted in the nationalists who wan
nope, you are getting more refugees welcomed and more sweden yes!
>There are no guy pit owners.
keep crying tranny. I'm a guy. Crazy that you call yourself a man and you are afraid of a small dog
>No it's number 1 in muh rape statistic
all that rage, sweden is number 1 in rape

>>5058684
>lmao maybe if you follow the FBI definition
that's a lot of seethe coming from you, tranny boi
>who cry out in favor of
you are literally crying because you fear pitbulls, you wear your mom's clothing
>Nope, that would be
it's sweden