I think they are immoral. There would be outrage if you put one on a cat or horse.
>>5063203I wouldn't say immoral but it's a sign whatever animal you have is too strong or willful for the owner to control through either strength or proper training and the animal is paying the price for their owner's lack of those qualities.
>>5063203If you need to use one you shouldn't have the dog
>>5063214Yeah either you are lazy and shouldn't have the dog, or the dog is too uncontrollable and should be put down.
>>5063213>it's a sign whatever animal you have is too strong or willful for the owner to control through either strength or proper trainingYep. If you need that for a dog you have failed as a man.
>>5063203Some dogs may "need" them and they "automatically" discourage lunging and pulling but an active leash correction is much more effective and harder to get wrong (along with "simple" techniques like forcing a sit/stay to "punish" with boredom; usually most effective for "pulling" breeds - they often like the struggle, it's a fun game). Furthermore, if you "need" one then the dog is either too much mentally and/or physically for you; get a Labrador or something. They should be a last ditch lifelineThere's also the danger with the automatic nature that you actually accidentally create an aversive/reactive response to stimuli like other dogs - the dog gets reinforced that "every time I see a dog and pull I get fucking pinched/stabbed" and instead of concluding that the pulling is the problem, they hardheadedly assume "wow that other faggot dog is somehow responsible for this"/get irritated and wound up and decide to react negatively to other dogsThere's a huge contingent of this board that are a bunch of "positive only" (either liars, mistaken, or retarded) but prongs, shocks, and chokes are basically ripe for abuse by retards (about 50% of dog owners already misuse a simple collar)
>>5063316Nobody is positive onlyPositive reinforcement and negative punishment work. Positive punishment on the other hand is not a training tool for dogs that can be trusted. It is animal abuse. >inb4 BUT THE COPSGet bit by their own dogs and their dogs attack random people all the time>BUT BOOMERSTurned GSDs into pitbulls that couldn’t be touched by strangers
>>5063334what's "positive punishment"? I know of positive and negative re-enforcement.
>>5063755>people actually have dog training opinions but dont know operant conditioningthe state of dog peole
>>5063760can you answer the question or waste more post space?
>grrr bark barkhaha meow
>>5063203Shock colars and the like are a tacit admission that the owner does not have the time or will to train thier dog. They possibly even see the dog as an object rather than a friend or member of the family.
>>5063203Basically all problems relating to dogs would cease if people stopped keeping LARP breeds and adopting dogs bred for violence because >they're le misunderstood!!1 Just get it into your head that you want a pet. Get a pet. Also this bullshit about breeding being some sort of fucking massive expensive endeavour is bullshit. If you keep putting lab retrievers together you will get more lab retrievers. Do that. Fucking pretentious tards
>>5063916A pet dog must be naturally clean and good smelling, and not leak drool or be prone to ear infections. Their fur must be soft as well and they must not be ugly. Huskies it is then
>>5063923Huskies are not appropriate as pets for the vast, vast majority of dog owners. Go talk about how totally cool it is to own a belgian malinois in NYC
>>5063932False. >NYCApartment bugs are not human and don’t count. All problems with "the majority of people" can be solved by excluding rentoids and the obvious from "people". Such creature should not own any pets at all let alone have children.
>>5063923>Huskies it is thenbut I don't want an autism dog
>>5063762If your dog does something good (successful trick, walking by your side, pooping outside) you give it a shock, the dog associates the shock with the action and is more inclined to do it in the future. This is dog training 101
>>5063203Man this guy is pretty fucked up huh
>>5063203they're suboptimal and n a perfect world you should not need them, but in a world where weak men and pitmommies exist i would rather they use choke collars than not be able to control their dog.
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>>5063946There's a pic someone caught from his stream where the dog had an open wound on its neck. People also pointed out the dog's untrimmed nails in OP image
>>5064149can't blame him, would you risk hitting Luna's/Diesel's/Princess' quick to get your face mauled off? I wouldn't
