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I just made the new thread bc nobody answered my question before the old one died.

Any garogyle keepers have:
-videos of wild ones
-comprehensive books that aren't just care guides

?

Not finding much.

>>5076175
Dav Kaufman has a documentary about his trip to New Caledonia. I don't know if it features gargoyle geckos though.

Why aren't there many podcasts for lizards?

>>5076200
skimming the frames looks like it's mainly just cresties and leachies but interesting nonetheless, ty

>I sought permission from the natives to go to their heckin island plenty of people go to

he forgot to do a land acknowledgement tho

>>5076175
Is there any specific information you're after, or just leisure reading? There are some scholarly articles pertaining to the reclassification of Rhacs a few years back, but it's very light on actual, tangible details.
https://geckotime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bauer-et-al-2012.pdf

>>5076339
That's fine, looking for just about anything beyond care like their behavior, biology, etc. to get a better overall picture. I guess most of it's squirreled away somewhere though.

are there any reptiles that live for like 40-60 years besides turtles?

>>5076501
leachies can get up to 40. somebody mentioned a gargoyle gecko that made it to ~50 but i don't remember source who so knows.

also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQdtGQ9jxfo

>>5076373
generally speaking gargs tend to live in transitional zones between open areas and forests while cresties tend to live deeper in the brush which explains most of their behavioral and physiological differences.

>Mourning geckos are territorial cannibals
>But "they're social and love being in huge groups"
Doesn't add up

>>5077419
why wouldn't it. they reproduce so much there's always a whole mess of them and adults snack on them at will.

>>5077419
Being a cannibal and being in groups just means there's always food around you

>>5077599
Would a communal animal that lives in colonies establish solitary territories throughout the tank and squabble with others who enter them? I've seen plenty of footage of groups of garter snakes living under the same rocks in the wild, but i've never seen a group of mourning geckos outside of a terrarium.
Surely the mother gecko biting the tails off of her daughters, and eventually eating them if they stick around, would mean that wild mourning geckos would... actually leave, given the chance, right? Rather than stay within the vincinity of a predator. It's not like an insect colony repurposing the dead, it's active threats and predation.

>>5076501
alligator

>>5076501
Tuatara.

>>5076501
not 40 but this guy has raised multiple gargoyle geckos to 30+ and thinks they can live longer versus the 15-20 everybody says. mysterious creatures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnb9XUtjN0U

>>5078193
>2 hours
Grok, summarize this video for me

>>5078193
there are still wild collected gargs alive in collections even though collection on new caledonia has been banned since the 90s. i think it's a similar deal with chameleons where the common belief is they were just fragile and only lived 2-4 years when in reality people just had dogshit care standards and now people are getting 7-10 years and longer is probably possible.
though i will say that due to lack of wild collection, i'm inclined to believe that SLAMMED geckos have had reduced lifespans and cresties have been heavily slammed, gargs less so but they also had a smaller original collection population than cresties or leachies, but not as small as the less common stuff like saras and chameleon geckos.

>>5078197
yeah that was my thought. there just isn't enough known and people make too many stupid assumptions.

and that's before you get into the fact that most people should just not have pets and basically torture them their entire lives with dogshit enclosures and temp etc.

are tokays slammed?

>>5078193
>You look at their cone teeth, these are predators, they are out there hunting and eating primarily other geckos as their main source of food, and I think if we gave them substantially more protein, we'd see a lot of improvements
>So do you feed yours geckos?
>No
Why are people like this?
There isn't even any kind of logistical argument because Mournings exist and are basically vertebrate insect feeders.

>>5078209
*even if they did know the new standards they wouldn't apply them

>>5078216
??? mourning geckos are very cannibalistic like others. regardless of what he says geckos are definitely eating each other a lot in the wild. so dubias and crickets are basically "you will eat the bugs and you will be happy" versus their occasional cannibalism probably. wonder what i could do to ameliorate this.

>>5078222
did you have multiple strokes writing this or are you just retarded?

>>5078223
both (plus vodka)

what's your point

>>5078223
>>5078224
wait nevermind i read the last sentence wrong

>>5078213
No. Their spirit of dragon and least concern wild status, and living in multiple countries that allow wild collections ensures positive geneflow, lack of overbreeding and lack of morphs though there are a couple emerging now.
The fact that we can get new animals and the fact that breeding them is not very profitable ensures that basically the only people breeding them do it because they like tokays moreso than because they're skeeming.

>look up tokays on morphmarket
>90% of the morphs are just a very slight variation on wild type
>all of the animals are REEEing
the unconquerable tokay spirit lives on

>>5078216
mourning geckos are not convenient to breed at the scale breeders need. house geckos would be better but also there isn't a huge market for lizard feeders. vine snakes are the main thing that hyper-specialize in lizards and often refuse mice.
also hobbyists who keep geckos mostly like geckos and are remiss to feed geckos to geckos

also also while I think conventional 'convenience/cya' caresheets downplay the dietary differences of gargoyle geckos vs crested geckos, i think there is kind of an over-correction on the flipside.
I don't think there is great data that suggests they are primarily vertebrate prey specialized but it's kind of an attention grabbing factoid that makes them seem like much cooler animals. and given that breeders are trying to sell these animals, which are generally less fecund than their more popular and cheaper alternative, they're naturally going to evangelize. something like a garg imo needs more work in this area compared to stuff that is obviously super distinct like a leachie.

we ultimately need some autistic faggot to go to new caledonia and study gecko poop for 10 years to actually have data on this beyond observational study by breeders keeping the animals in plastic tubs with egg crate and paper towels.

>Animal enters the pet trade
>All scientists agree to never study them ever again

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I have been seeing more and more people keeping multiple ABFs together in one enclosure online recently. I have always been told you can't have two because they will try to eat eachother, but mine is so stupid I don't think they are really that hyper predatory as people make them out to be. If I got another that was the same size as my current one would it be doable?

>>5078249
nah, the gecko skeem is just tiny and most lizard skeems are even smaller than that. ball pythons have gotten some recent research.

even in aquariums which are like 10x bigger than reptiles people depend on aquaculture studies. then a lot of the 'science' that gets done is designed to sell products, like the thai study showing that indian almond leaf tannins make your water healthier when there was a barely significant effect if you put the tannin levels of like 5 pounds of boiled indian almond leaves in an aquarium. similar to the 'red wine is good for you' studies where they study tannins and phenols on mice to a level where it would take ~500 bottles of wine to get that level of intake for a human.

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>>5078240
>we ultimately need some autistic faggot to go to new caledonia and study gecko poop for 10 years to actually have data on this beyond observational study by breeders keeping the animals in plastic tubs with egg crate and paper towels.

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I need to find a 6x4 foot enclosure for my Horsefield's tortoise that's deep enough for her to bury herself in(at least six to ten inches she doesnt dig too deep.) Is building it myself really the only option? I can't find shit

>>5078552
>6x4 foot
nigga just let her have a small part of the day where she can roam around the room or your yard supervised. As long as you have that nailed down the only thing you should be worried about is depth and temp gradient

>>5078560
I already do that but shes a princess and she deserves better

Small small turtle house

>>5078552
>building it myself really the only option?
That or paying double the cost of the tank in shipping

>>5078552
Super easy. Just build a wooden frame and put a pond liner in it.

>>5078552
go to the hardware store and buy a stock tank

>get cool air plant
>put it in a corner of the cage that i never see her in
>every single fucking morning its knocked down now
also she started digging, ~2 year old female so i wonder if she's preparing to lay some slugs.

>>5078450
frogs in general have an IQ close to that of a damp piece of toast and will 1000% try to eat anything they can fit into their mouths that's moving, and about 80% try to eat anything that;s moving period. This is only a problem if there's a big enough size difference in the frogs, if the other one is big enough to go "nnnh quit it" and lazily smack the other one in the face you wont have a problem (and it'll probbaly happen the other way around at some point in the fuiture as well).
my chief concern with cohabbing two multiple monster frogs would be providing them with enough space for them, and also the filtration necessary to deal with multiple massive frog turds at a time.

>>5078450
aren't they territorial and claim their own ponds

>>5078552
for something with those measurements, I'd just recommend putting a support board underneath. Otherwise, yeah - just get some wood, nails, something to line it, maybe some silicone if you want to go all-out on waterproofing.
My alternative I chose is to get a couple of kiddie pools for mine to keep indoors; it sucks. I'm going to be building my own soon.

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>>5078630
>my chief concern with cohabbing two multiple monster frogs would be providing them with enough space for them, and also the filtration necessary to deal with multiple massive frog turds at a time
That's a fair point. My current setup is pretty big for the one I already have and he's just under 5 inch but it is largely substrate. I think I could fit two 10 inchers in there easy, the only thing is that again it is largely substrate with a glass water tub submerged in the middle to hold a body of water. That at the moment is more than enough for a 5 inch AFB, maybe two, but I am not sure if anything larger could work. I would need to add another dedicated section.

>>5078682
That's what I thought. But this is why I am confused with the amount I have seen online cohabitating. I have even seen an ad where a guy is selling two adult females who cohab.

>tfw want to keep a gaboon viper and gila monster
>not retarded enough to own a deadly snek and venomous animals are illegal in my state
feelsbadminton

bbbbbased
https://youtube.com/shorts/DYvNw5joSJw?si=nnP4pgqtOZyIa7rm

>>5080472
lul

>>5080472
>women

so, if you don't care about looks, a giant metal bucket/plastic tub is good for a tortoise, as opposed to a terrarium, right? No glass, can take them out to roam for enrichment

>>5080410
I want a cape cobra and banded rock rattlesnake.

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>>5081121
that's pretty much what lots of people use, yeah. you can even be a little slutty and pretty it up with a wood frame and shit if you want.

>>5081144
be a little wha

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It's been about a year since I lost this juvenile. Still don't know what caused him to fail, after having picked him up from an expo. He just wouldn't gain weight, and then he finally wasn't strong enough to move. Breaks my heart, but I'm starting to feel like I'm ready to try again next year. I still love gargoyle geckos and I've got a healthy crested and leachie, which leaves me all the more puzzled by the loss of this baby.

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>>5082118
My leachie (brosse/nuu ami/nuu ana mix) is unusually large, recently weighed at 281 grams - though, I think he had a full stomach at the time of this weigh-in. He might be closer to 265-270 with voided bowels. Dumping some others of my small collection, because why not. /herp/ needs more activity.

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>>5082119
At the time I got my crested, I didn't know much about the morphs. Accidentally got one of the very few genetic morphs (lilly white). Not sure how I feel about the practice of breeding them, though a lot of the more suspect elements seem anecdotal still.

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>>5082120
Going to be upgrading my emerald's enclosure soon, a hand-me-down from my leachie's 2 foot wide/3 foot high box. The leachie is getting an extra foot of height, along with a different door mechanism which will hopefully stop his poops from leaking out the door when he feels like relieving himself on the glass.
Emerald tree skinks are not nearly as Clint would have you believe. Mine was very skittish for months; captive-bred. I'm just now starting to acclimate him to handling. He's also had an issue with glass surfing, like you hear with Chinese water dragons - hurt his nose a little. I've been doing my best to handle him to keep him engaged, while also limiting the risk of him escaping at the same time. He's managed to 'escape' at least a half-dozen times so far. He wants out, but he doesn't really want to engage with me at all.

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>>5082121
Pretty satisfied with my BTS' enclosure. Did sort of a sloppy Serpa Design thing, with his bearded dragon video.

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>>5082122
It took a lot for my leo to not be scared shitless by me. Now, she's learned the sound of the lids for the bins I breed bugs in and gets all excited for feeding time, climbing up on the glass, almost ready to jump out.

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>>5082123
Last lizard. I've posted her here a few times before; kenyan zebra skink with halted tail regrowth. She's a sweetheart. Loves to dig, loves to climb, loves to get into trouble. During the day, depending upon the hour/time of day, she'll either be very shy or not care about my presence at all and I can get in there and man-handle her.

Thanks for posting your collection! I like to live vicariously through the keepers in this thread because I live in a yurt in Zone 4 and it’s strictly not warm enough for me to keep tropical reptiles so all my pets will be furry or fishy for the foreseeable future.

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Lil fella has an appetite, shortly before filming it picked up a large leaf and shook it side to side like a dog

>>5082227
Is this in your lawn? Got any wet dog food? They love diced greens (turnip greens, say) covered in wet dog food.

>>5082229
It's in the backyard yeah, pretty sure it's the same small one that has hung around for the last two weeks. I should try dog food, they seem pretty content with any fruit I give them, probably because it's hot as hell outside and they get a drink out of it as well.

My skink is dragging his back legs but is able to move them when he wants to, any idea on what the issue could be? I have UVB and supplement calcium, he poops and eats regularly and is otherwise behaving normally.

>>5082279
To clarify: when he's basking he'll drag his legs around but when he's feeding or moving elsewhere in his cage he moves normally, it's bizarre

>>5082280
Could just be a "feels good, man" kind of thing. My guy prefers not to use his back legs when he's scooting around obstacles. Are we talking blue tongue or what?

>>5076182
big hoss

>>5082232
You just have to be careful with fruit, especially store-bought. That stuff has loads of sugar which most lizards just aren't equipped to digest.

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>>5082494
Noted

>>5082118
>picked him up from an expo
Found the problem. #notall but a lot of expo vendor just go from place to place with their herps in the display case, so they basically have carnival goldfish and by the time you realize you've been fucked they're states away and you cant get a hold of them.

>>5082498
>looks like a rock with bits of lichen on the bottom where there would be shade
fukkin sick, I wish we could get them over here for less than it costs to fucking lease an SUV

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>>5082520
They even do a bit of weeding as I've just discovered.

>>5082565
beautiful

>>5082362
he's evolving into a snake

>>5082518
Most of my other experiences with expos have been positive, but it is true that my gargoyle was from an expo I did not previously attend, the other of which I attend most every year - from the latter expo, I acquired my leachie, crested, BP, emerald tree skink, and kenyan zebra skink. All of these came from much more local breeders. Ultimately, I do not know where the gargoyle breeder was based. Such a shame.

>>5082362
Zebra, and it turns out the issue is that he hurt himself somehow, there's some brusing on his tail. Poor guy, no idea how this happened.