Explain why I should give a shit about climate change
>>5106393Your argument is pretty convincing
>>5106392If you cared we would have kick ass nuclear reactors and way more energy at far cheaper rates. However because you don't care we rely on far less energy production which is domestically weaponised economically. You want energy? Sorry bud, but you are going to have to pay increasing rates as these server farms are built which are also driving up water prices, vote for us during the next election and we will lessen taxes that we promise will make your bills cheaper! Just don't question the untold billions in foreign aid we would rather give out to other countries instead of our own people being made to sell their bodies like cattle to whatever corporation or market are willing to pay below liveble wage.
Because, being on the board called Animals & Nature, you like and care about animals and nature.
>>5106392it displaces africans to europe and canda
>>5106392What you think about anything is absolutely unimportant
>>5106392it can affect immensely the amount of species and the biomass of whatever living beings group you like
>>5106457>>5106476The environment would be better if we were goneIf climate change is as apocalyptic as the """experts""" say then it would only be a positive for the planetMany, many species will suffer from climate change but even without climate change they would still be at risk for extinction with waste and air pollution, overhunting/overfishing, deforestation and habitat loss etcWhatever's bad for us is good for the planet
>>5106535>Whatever's bad for us is good for the planetWhat is """good""" is a completely arbitrary judgement from humans. There is no """good""", there is no """bad""" with something as devoid of agency as the planet. It just is, was and the now. As soon as you start making morality arguments around the removal of humans to supposedly benefit something that is not bound by same abstract processes humans use to navigate the world you defeat the purpose of morality to begin with.
>>5106540Under what circumstances would the environmental degradation we caused be a "good" thing?ofc terms like "good" and "evil" were conceived by humans, but there are plenty of situations were an objective evil is present.An evil that is near universally agreed upon as being evil such as rape and murder, which are both things we've done to the earth
>>5106544>An evil that is near universally agreed upon as being evil such as rape and murder, which are both things we've done to the earthThe planet isn't a person.
>>5106544>environmental degradationOntop of that what baseline are we talking about regarding """degradation"""?
>>5106448where you gonna put the nuclear waste?
>>5106540Ok i'm gonna go throw car batteries on lakes because that's a neutral thing
>>5106559dump that shit on the moon
>>5106392deforestation and hunting of endangered species: yesclimate change: not a threat
>>5106559That's more misleading than the birds in wind turbines argument. The spent material doesn't take up much space.we just stuff it in salt caves. It also can still be used for energy. We just don't because clean uranium is easy to get.
>>5106476What if the species I like will benefit from climate change
>>5106576>climate change: not a threatExplain the ongoing extinction of flora and fauna?
>>5106607Largely pollution
>>5106607Habitat destructionClimate change isn't bad because species would just naturally migrate to places they feel more comfortable, except now all the remaining habitats are isolated and cut off from each other.
>>5106612Coral reefs are bleaching not because of habitat destruction, but because ocean temperatures increasing.
>>5106553>autistic can't understand an analogy many such cases>>5106555Destroying ecosystems to build highways and cities, dumping nuclear waste, hunting species into extinction, etc
>>5106614>many such casesHe probably didn’t eat breakfast this morning
>>5106613Thanks but my point still stands
>>5106612>species would just naturally migrate to places they feel more comfortablethat includes humans btw. seeing as you don't care about climate change, then it's fair to assume you don't mind all the brown people coming into your country since theirs were ravaged by droughts and famine? because that's going to happen. it's already happening.
>>5106559they use spent uranium to make bullets actually,so the answer is; inside any arabs living in the boundaries of the future Greater Israel.
>>5106392You don't have to.
>>5106653>Greater IsraelThat's it, Kim is loading raw nuclear waste into rockets he will donate to Iran
>>5106392Why would I waste time arguing with a retard who'll keep moving the goalpost to avoid being wrong?
>>5106621It really doesn't.
>>5106982Human caused by habitat destruction and overhunting. Most of those extinct mollusks were endemics that lived in one single puddle and nowhere else. Climate change would only threaten things like isolated populations of species that got trapped in small microclimates as the climate naturally warmed thousands of years ago (pleistocene snails, southern populations of tamarack and other arctic plants)I don't really see why the concept of species moving around is so crazy for you to acknowledge. Assisted migration has already been done for years.
>>5107020>as the climate naturally warmed thousands of years agoIt's about the speed of the warming anon. The rate of it. What took tens, hundreds thousands of years before, is happening in the span of hundreds now.Ultimately I don't really care what you think, because it doesn't matter anymore. 30-40 years ago a drastic action could change the outcome, but that ship has sailed.
>>5107024Then how do you explain things such as the little ice age and the medieval warm period. I do agree that modern society is partly to blame for global warming, but I'm more inclined to believe that the climate naturally fluctuates. And to blame the average man for causing it is completely dishonest.>Ultimately I don't really care what you think, because it doesn't matter anymoreThat's why I choose not to be so negative about it. The world is changing like it always has and life will adapt.
>>5106392It might end up with turd worlders dying of flooding. And there is a chance if you live somewhere with amazing weather it might get worse. That's it. No green fuels or energies actually work unless you live in area where it's sunny all the time. And literally nothing you do will make up for how much China, India and Germany pollute the world anyway.
>>5106392https://vocaroo.com/1h5jzIJo3G8Y
>>5106612maybe if you live the shithole that is europe
>>5107024Not too worried, it's like 15F outside.
>>5106392https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ
"climate change" is a codeword for marxism
>>5107219no, climate change is openly neoluddite nihilismthe argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technology which would predictably kill off 90% of the human population.this is why people who know climate change is a problem have mostly shut up about it. They're not going to kill off almost all humans to save humanity. The cure is worse than the disease.
>>5107227>90% of humanity being dead is worse than 100% of it being deadStunningly retarded
>>5107229there's no guarantee climate change is going to kill off all of humanity. If it does, it's better to let nature do it than do it ourselves.
Personally, I believe climate change is real AND that it is a good thing
>>5106392Later falls and earlier/longer springs are affecting MY folkways in a manner that makes me much less happy.
>>5107227>climate change is openly neoluddite nihilism>the argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technology which would predictably kill off 90% of the human population.???? What is it with righoids that love having arguments against things that never happened? I have never seen anyone espouse anything close to this. Did you see some retard on /leftypol/ and then extrapolate that to everyone not on your political team?
>>5107423It’s an oil company talking point that fossil fuel energy is irreplaceable, so trying to burn less fossil fuels is engineering technogenocide. Of course it’s bullshit, but it gets repeated again and again and again until people believe it. Never mind them spending millions to lobby against funding for research into alternatives, the alternatives are clearly imaginary and we’re all doomed if we try to stop burning paleocarbon.
>>5107426no it's a simple fact that the HB process alone supports close to 90% of all humans nevermind the needs for transportation and storage of foodit's pretty simple really. We can cut back to slow warming down some, but we're just kicking the can down the road because it's cumulative on timelines much longer than a human life.so if we actually want to stop it we do in fact need to stop essentially all carbon emissions and that's impossible without massive famines>>5107423I love how you assume I'm a rightoid.I'm further left than you. Not only that but I'm a climate scientist. But even I know we're not going to do much about this problem.we're going to have to trust in the usual Malthusian Deus ex Machina. We have to assume some new tech is going to come along and fix things. Because there's not much we can or will do right now.
>>5107430The HB process is energy intensive, but there are no theoretical obstacles to net zero carbon HB ammonia, only practical obstacles and research into defeating these practical obstacles is a prime example of the kind of science that Big Oil spends billions to prevent. “Burning paleocarbon is unavoidable” IS the Luddite position.
>>5107447>there are no theoretical obstacles to net zero carbon HB ammonia, only practical obstaclesagreed, it just comes down to what levels of inefficiency we can afford.the simple fact is oil is by far the cheapest and most concentrated energy we have, and any substitutes are going to require huge amounts of oil to implement and maintain.I dunno, and I don't really care because we keep doing shit like wasting the last of our water and energy on AI for the purpose of entertainment and causing unemployment. Humans WANT to go extinct.
>>5107227>the argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technologyOr advance technology. If only alternative forms of energy like nuclear, solar and geothermal existed. Wouldn’t that be nice
>>5106559Exactly where they found it originally, underground
>>5107479all of those combined wouldn't be nearly enough to replace fossil fuels. and even if they were, our simple process of raising meat is probably enough to doom us anyways. As is our practice of clearing land for agriculture. Or producing 8 billion humans worth of shit every day. but you're probably right. Some tech will save us. It's not anything that exists right now though.
>>5107492>all of those combined wouldn't be nearly enough to replace fossil fuelsWrong and gay. Your bullshit is past its expiry date gramps
>>5107449> the simple fact is oil is by far the cheapest … energy we haveNo longer true despite billions in annual subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.> any substitutes are going to require huge amounts of oil to implement and maintain.Require is a strong word, but all this means is that we need to make these changes as early as possible.> I dunno, and I don't really care because we keep doing shit like wasting the last of our water and energy on AI for the purpose of entertainment and causing unemployment. Humans WANT to go extinct.The AI data center thing is intensely annoying, but also mostly exists because of subsidies and business lending deregulation. They want you to feel helpless, however. They desire a social environment where people say “There’s no point in trying to make things better for future generations, I’m just going to make sure I’m comfortable until I die.”>>5107492> our simple process of raising meat is probably enough to doom us anywaysOnce the HB industry is divorced from natural gas extraction and the tractors that plant and harvest the row crops that are inputs for meat animal farming are no longer burning paleocarbon, meat won’t be an issue. The doomerism is designed to make you choose to oppose environmental advocacy and campaigns to make consumer practices, folkways, and food a source of shame are opposition planted to distract from industrial issues.
