Explain why I should give a shit about climate change
>>5106393Your argument is pretty convincing
>>5106392If you cared we would have kick ass nuclear reactors and way more energy at far cheaper rates. However because you don't care we rely on far less energy production which is domestically weaponised economically. You want energy? Sorry bud, but you are going to have to pay increasing rates as these server farms are built which are also driving up water prices, vote for us during the next election and we will lessen taxes that we promise will make your bills cheaper! Just don't question the untold billions in foreign aid we would rather give out to other countries instead of our own people being made to sell their bodies like cattle to whatever corporation or market are willing to pay below liveble wage.
Because, being on the board called Animals & Nature, you like and care about animals and nature.
>>5106392it displaces africans to europe and canda
>>5106392What you think about anything is absolutely unimportant
>>5106392it can affect immensely the amount of species and the biomass of whatever living beings group you like
>>5106457>>5106476The environment would be better if we were goneIf climate change is as apocalyptic as the """experts""" say then it would only be a positive for the planetMany, many species will suffer from climate change but even without climate change they would still be at risk for extinction with waste and air pollution, overhunting/overfishing, deforestation and habitat loss etcWhatever's bad for us is good for the planet
>>5106535>Whatever's bad for us is good for the planetWhat is """good""" is a completely arbitrary judgement from humans. There is no """good""", there is no """bad""" with something as devoid of agency as the planet. It just is, was and the now. As soon as you start making morality arguments around the removal of humans to supposedly benefit something that is not bound by same abstract processes humans use to navigate the world you defeat the purpose of morality to begin with.
>>5106540Under what circumstances would the environmental degradation we caused be a "good" thing?ofc terms like "good" and "evil" were conceived by humans, but there are plenty of situations were an objective evil is present.An evil that is near universally agreed upon as being evil such as rape and murder, which are both things we've done to the earth
>>5106544>An evil that is near universally agreed upon as being evil such as rape and murder, which are both things we've done to the earthThe planet isn't a person.
>>5106544>environmental degradationOntop of that what baseline are we talking about regarding """degradation"""?
>>5106448where you gonna put the nuclear waste?
>>5106540Ok i'm gonna go throw car batteries on lakes because that's a neutral thing
>>5106559dump that shit on the moon
>>5106392deforestation and hunting of endangered species: yesclimate change: not a threat
>>5106559That's more misleading than the birds in wind turbines argument. The spent material doesn't take up much space.we just stuff it in salt caves. It also can still be used for energy. We just don't because clean uranium is easy to get.
>>5106476What if the species I like will benefit from climate change
>>5106576>climate change: not a threatExplain the ongoing extinction of flora and fauna?
>>5106607Largely pollution
>>5106607Habitat destructionClimate change isn't bad because species would just naturally migrate to places they feel more comfortable, except now all the remaining habitats are isolated and cut off from each other.
>>5106612Coral reefs are bleaching not because of habitat destruction, but because ocean temperatures increasing.
>>5106553>autistic can't understand an analogy many such cases>>5106555Destroying ecosystems to build highways and cities, dumping nuclear waste, hunting species into extinction, etc
>>5106614>many such casesHe probably didn’t eat breakfast this morning
>>5106613Thanks but my point still stands
>>5106612>species would just naturally migrate to places they feel more comfortablethat includes humans btw. seeing as you don't care about climate change, then it's fair to assume you don't mind all the brown people coming into your country since theirs were ravaged by droughts and famine? because that's going to happen. it's already happening.
>>5106559they use spent uranium to make bullets actually,so the answer is; inside any arabs living in the boundaries of the future Greater Israel.
>>5106392You don't have to.
>>5106653>Greater IsraelThat's it, Kim is loading raw nuclear waste into rockets he will donate to Iran
>>5106392Why would I waste time arguing with a retard who'll keep moving the goalpost to avoid being wrong?
>>5106621It really doesn't.
>>5106982Human caused by habitat destruction and overhunting. Most of those extinct mollusks were endemics that lived in one single puddle and nowhere else. Climate change would only threaten things like isolated populations of species that got trapped in small microclimates as the climate naturally warmed thousands of years ago (pleistocene snails, southern populations of tamarack and other arctic plants)I don't really see why the concept of species moving around is so crazy for you to acknowledge. Assisted migration has already been done for years.
>>5107020>as the climate naturally warmed thousands of years agoIt's about the speed of the warming anon. The rate of it. What took tens, hundreds thousands of years before, is happening in the span of hundreds now.Ultimately I don't really care what you think, because it doesn't matter anymore. 30-40 years ago a drastic action could change the outcome, but that ship has sailed.
>>5107024Then how do you explain things such as the little ice age and the medieval warm period. I do agree that modern society is partly to blame for global warming, but I'm more inclined to believe that the climate naturally fluctuates. And to blame the average man for causing it is completely dishonest.>Ultimately I don't really care what you think, because it doesn't matter anymoreThat's why I choose not to be so negative about it. The world is changing like it always has and life will adapt.
>>5106392It might end up with turd worlders dying of flooding. And there is a chance if you live somewhere with amazing weather it might get worse. That's it. No green fuels or energies actually work unless you live in area where it's sunny all the time. And literally nothing you do will make up for how much China, India and Germany pollute the world anyway.
>>5106392https://vocaroo.com/1h5jzIJo3G8Y
>>5106612maybe if you live the shithole that is europe
>>5107024Not too worried, it's like 15F outside.
>>5106392https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ
"climate change" is a codeword for marxism
>>5107219no, climate change is openly neoluddite nihilismthe argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technology which would predictably kill off 90% of the human population.this is why people who know climate change is a problem have mostly shut up about it. They're not going to kill off almost all humans to save humanity. The cure is worse than the disease.
>>5107227>90% of humanity being dead is worse than 100% of it being deadStunningly retarded
>>5107229there's no guarantee climate change is going to kill off all of humanity. If it does, it's better to let nature do it than do it ourselves.
Personally, I believe climate change is real AND that it is a good thing
>>5106392Later falls and earlier/longer springs are affecting MY folkways in a manner that makes me much less happy.
>>5107227>climate change is openly neoluddite nihilism>the argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technology which would predictably kill off 90% of the human population.???? What is it with righoids that love having arguments against things that never happened? I have never seen anyone espouse anything close to this. Did you see some retard on /leftypol/ and then extrapolate that to everyone not on your political team?
>>5107423It’s an oil company talking point that fossil fuel energy is irreplaceable, so trying to burn less fossil fuels is engineering technogenocide. Of course it’s bullshit, but it gets repeated again and again and again until people believe it. Never mind them spending millions to lobby against funding for research into alternatives, the alternatives are clearly imaginary and we’re all doomed if we try to stop burning paleocarbon.
>>5107426no it's a simple fact that the HB process alone supports close to 90% of all humans nevermind the needs for transportation and storage of foodit's pretty simple really. We can cut back to slow warming down some, but we're just kicking the can down the road because it's cumulative on timelines much longer than a human life.so if we actually want to stop it we do in fact need to stop essentially all carbon emissions and that's impossible without massive famines>>5107423I love how you assume I'm a rightoid.I'm further left than you. Not only that but I'm a climate scientist. But even I know we're not going to do much about this problem.we're going to have to trust in the usual Malthusian Deus ex Machina. We have to assume some new tech is going to come along and fix things. Because there's not much we can or will do right now.
>>5107430The HB process is energy intensive, but there are no theoretical obstacles to net zero carbon HB ammonia, only practical obstacles and research into defeating these practical obstacles is a prime example of the kind of science that Big Oil spends billions to prevent. “Burning paleocarbon is unavoidable” IS the Luddite position.
>>5107447>there are no theoretical obstacles to net zero carbon HB ammonia, only practical obstaclesagreed, it just comes down to what levels of inefficiency we can afford.the simple fact is oil is by far the cheapest and most concentrated energy we have, and any substitutes are going to require huge amounts of oil to implement and maintain.I dunno, and I don't really care because we keep doing shit like wasting the last of our water and energy on AI for the purpose of entertainment and causing unemployment. Humans WANT to go extinct.
>>5107227>the argument is that the only way to save humanity is to regress to pre-industrial levels of technologyOr advance technology. If only alternative forms of energy like nuclear, solar and geothermal existed. Wouldn’t that be nice
>>5106559Exactly where they found it originally, underground
>>5107479all of those combined wouldn't be nearly enough to replace fossil fuels. and even if they were, our simple process of raising meat is probably enough to doom us anyways. As is our practice of clearing land for agriculture. Or producing 8 billion humans worth of shit every day. but you're probably right. Some tech will save us. It's not anything that exists right now though.
>>5107492>all of those combined wouldn't be nearly enough to replace fossil fuelsWrong and gay. Your bullshit is past its expiry date gramps
>>5107449> the simple fact is oil is by far the cheapest … energy we haveNo longer true despite billions in annual subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.> any substitutes are going to require huge amounts of oil to implement and maintain.Require is a strong word, but all this means is that we need to make these changes as early as possible.> I dunno, and I don't really care because we keep doing shit like wasting the last of our water and energy on AI for the purpose of entertainment and causing unemployment. Humans WANT to go extinct.The AI data center thing is intensely annoying, but also mostly exists because of subsidies and business lending deregulation. They want you to feel helpless, however. They desire a social environment where people say “There’s no point in trying to make things better for future generations, I’m just going to make sure I’m comfortable until I die.”>>5107492> our simple process of raising meat is probably enough to doom us anywaysOnce the HB industry is divorced from natural gas extraction and the tractors that plant and harvest the row crops that are inputs for meat animal farming are no longer burning paleocarbon, meat won’t be an issue. The doomerism is designed to make you choose to oppose environmental advocacy and campaigns to make consumer practices, folkways, and food a source of shame are opposition planted to distract from industrial issues.
>>5106392man made climate change is real its caused by chemtrails. they are cooking the planet and blocking the sun .
>>5106448Based. Also nuke israel.
>>5107492>all of those combined wouldn't be nearly enough to replace fossil fuels. but they are
>>5106392because greta thunberg took a private jet to the other side of the world to tell you to feel guilty about it. all the while NEVER once uttering the names of the two countries that produce the MOST eco-harming waste (china, india)
>>5108305>the MOST eco-harming waste (china, india)out of sheer volume sure, but the US still pollutes/wastes more per capita. and this is expected since china/india have more than double the population we do.
>We'll lose the Polar Ice Caps and be flooded by 2014!
>>5109996>the ozone layer will be depleted by 1985!
>>5108310Nowhere in America is there a place like the Ganges. We produce a lot of trash, but at least we have the decency to throw it into a hole and not into the reefs.
>>5110002Didn't we repair that though?
>>5110036yes, that's the joke
all the climate change stuff makes me nervous and scared. i was trying to talk to my mom about it the other day and i couldnt stop crying. i dont want the animals to die. i hate how any time people older than me talk about it they act like its one big joke. fucking millenials will go on and on about mass species extinction and future famines and people killing each other but theres no call to action, no way out, just "enjoy the heckin apocalypserino in 20 years, faggot". how is someone like me in my 20s supposed to take that? being told constantly that i have no future? no wonder doomerism is popular. why save money when the economy sucks? why eat anything when its all made from exploitation? why go anywhere when the fuels you burn to travel poison the planet? its all so hopeless it drives me to drink and i see no point in living. i wish i was a wizard or superman or a superscientist or something so no more animals have to suffer. its like being born in chains you cannot escape.
>>5106563>>5106614Maybe charitably intending that moral questions lose their bearing divorced from human evaluation, cf. "would you care if your corpse were defiled?", and not necessarily "morality does not apply if either participant is nonconscious", st ethical concerns (present inasmuch humans are) are applicable to pollution.
Them animals be dying and shi and it ain't good. Also destroys our planet, which is definitely not good too.
>>5106559Back in the reactor dummy. We can turn the spent fuel into more fuel.
>>5110152You sound like a pussy
>>5110152So they have been putting estrogen in the water
>>5110228>>5110230How do you guys fall for this
>>5106540In china they eat dogs
>>5106466Nah. That’s welfare.
>>5106392You shouldn't, next question.
>>5110228>>5110230>>5110233exactly what I'm talking about. god forbid someone is concerned for the animals on the 'animals and nature' board. i hate you fucking retards. people on here only care about animals so they can use them to justify their beliefs. dont like dogs? jew. dont like cats? nigger. worried about climate change? liberal pussy. imagine calling normalfags superficial. fucking kill yourselves you nonfunctional posturing autistic pieces of shit.
>>5106392You honestly don't believe that more regulations and higher taxes will fix everything? Don't tell me you're one of those people who doesn't trust politicians, either!
>the only substantial output of the human species is garbage and destruction of nature>no matter who you are, your achievements, you are just a destructive parasite leaving behind a mountain of garbage unless amishI could kill myself thinking about this.
>>5110152>fucking millenials will go on and on about mass species extinction and future famines and people killing each other but theres no call to action, no way out, just "enjoy the heckin apocalypserino in 20 years, faggot"Millenials are just new age Boomers. They think they are their big brother generation Gen X but they are a throwback to Boomers. Performative activism but the real bottom line is their own hedonism or consumerism while placing the blame on newer generations like Zoomers or Alphas, just as the Boomers did to Gen X.
>>5106594Based brain-eating amoeba fan
>>5110473Of you actually believed the drivel you just wrote you would have done the world a favour and killed yourself already.
>>5108310>per capitaCompletely and utterly meaningless wrt to pollution and you know it. Section off the middle of the US, fly in half a billion african tribesmen from the bush to live there, suddenly the per capita pollution of the US is negligible. Except if they actually did that you'd rightly call them out for fudging the numbers in a meaningless way, but when it happens to be China where that actually literally happens, with almost half its population living like medieval peasants, it's suddenly relevant? Get fucking real.
>>5106392you shouldn't because animals don't. only chuds care about CC
>>5110498when 50% of zoomers and alphas are functionally illiterate, they have a point, like sure them blaming the younger generation is bad, but that doesnt excuse the fact the younger generation is fucked
>>5107492Yes, they would. Also fossil fuels have am expiration date, you sure like ruining the planet for nothing.
I'm not worried about climate changeEither;1. the effects of warming will become too great to dismiss and even the most staunch denier will open up to environmental legislation 2. the earth actually gets fucked beyond repair and a mass human depopulation takes placeI truly am fine with either scenario
>>5106392You have to live in the climate
>>5106559>dump it into volcanoeswhy wouldn’t this work?
>>5111897because volcano do this thing called an eruption and that will spew nuclear material into the atmosphere like its chernobyl
>>5111902They can just time it such that there's which time for the lava to destroy the waste before the next eruption.
>>5111906thats not how that works, when you burn something, it doesnt disappear, it changes form, typically ash, and that ash will be contaminated
>>5106392the loudest (and most powerful) proponents of climate change propaganda only want it because they do not like a certain few countries controlling all of the oil and they want to 1) decrease demand for said oil so those countries have less power, 2) hope to create alternative energy sources that (they) control and not the oil countries so they have more power and the oil countries have less. That's it. That is why you have been hammered by global warming and climate change hysteria your entire life. Actual environmentalists haven't been a serious lobby since the 80s as this other crew coopted the whole thing for their purposes.
>>5107219sort of. there is ideological overlap. see above post. they don't actually want marxism either though. they want a version of it for (you) and not for them.
>>5106448Correct answer
>>5107273I will skin and eat your fucking cat as soon as shit starts going down
>>5111560He should do THE WORLD a bigger favour and do a mass shooting.
