Are those knee deep in animal blood from working in a slaughterhouse any different from the rest of us?A recently released a film called The Dying Trade is one of the best films I’ve watched and I recommend you watch it. It’s free and on YouTube here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qb-9Q0YhVAJack is a vegan activist. His father is a slaughterhouse worker. A big part of the film is spent reckoning with that fact, thinking about how we should treat those we are close to, when they work in an industry dedicated to systematic killing.In college, Jack learned what happens to animals on factory farms. He went vegan and annoyed the people around him by telling them to do the same. He became an activist and started making YouTube videos. For the first time, he seriously grappled with the facts about what his father does that his father works in the industry that Jack considers to be the cruelest on Earth, where his day job is to kill.The film introduces us to a roving band of characters.
>>5125491First, of course, are the animals. At one point, Jack breaks into a factory farm in the middle of the night, to film. You can see the bloated, emaciated bodies of the chickens who can barely walk see their bloodied exterior from festering open wounds. Some lie slowly dying, others try desperately to move but cannot. It is not graphic. It is horrifying.We meet Temple Grandin, who designed slaughter techniques to minimize animal suffering. Grandin did more to reduce animal suffering than almost anyone else alive. But Grandin’s attitude is puzzling while she acknowledges that many welfare issues on the farms remain, she describes farms as pretty good. When Jack asks her about the conditions of broiler chickens, she declines to answer. She describes the life of a crated pregnant pig as being like having to spend the entire duration of your pregnancy in an airline seat, without ever being able to go into the aisles. Yet she sees this as a cause for tweaks at the margins, to make things less cruel, rather than a reason to swear off meat entirely. Grandin is not vegan.We meet a former slaughterhouse worker named Tom who has serious PTSD from working in the slaughterhouse. Tom describes the horrific conditions for slaughterhouse workers: working day and night to kill. He says he dreams of slaughterhouses six days a week, and began having violent impulses shortly after he started working in a slaughterhouse. He’d dissociate while at work and drink heavily to get through it. Everything must happen so fast in the slaughterhouse: he’d have to kill an animal every thirty seconds for ten hours non-stop. When procedures failed, he once saw a cow be skinned alive. Another time, a mechanical failure led to a worker being sawed in half.
>>5125492We meet Alex Hershaft, a holocaust survivor who has come to see what we do to animals as similar to what the Nazis did. Is this an unreasonable comparison? You don’t have to think animals matter as much as people to think that killing hundreds of millions of animals every day, who were tortured for months, is one of our gravest crimes. More suffering occurs in a few years in the factory farms than all suffering in human history.
>>5125494Hershaft first became concerned about animal welfare when, as a consultant, he visited a slaughterhouse. He saw piles of bones and hearts a pig’s heart looks a lot like a human’s heart. The more he looked into what we do to animals, “the more it looked like what the Nazis did to us.” This was a horrifying realization: the Americans and the Brits were supposed to be the good guys they defeated the Nazis. And yet the Americans and the Brits have their own industry dedicated to systematic extermination. Hershaft came across a quote from Isaac Bashevis Singer that resonated:>In relation to [animals], all people are Nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal Treblinka.We meet Gail Eisnitz, who the Washington Post described as one of the most courageous undercover investigators of cruelty to animals. She once witnessed a cat get run over intentionally, and had to not react in order to continue her investigation. She describes how watching cruelty day in and day out numbs us to it. The first cow you see skinned alive is a tragedy, the millionth is a statistic. One of the most moving parts of the film was something she said at the end:>“I wish the animals I’d written about and countless billions of others could know on some universal level that someone, somewhere, was mourning their pitiful lives and violent deaths crying for those in factory farms and slaughterhouses. >“Does anyone know we’re here?” Yes, we know, we’ve heard and we’ve listened, we know you are there.
>>5125495The film ends with an unsettling question: to what extent should we blame slaughterhouse workers, whose job is to kill innocent beings who don’t want to die? Here is what I think we can say confidently: to the extent that they are worse than the rest of us, it is in degree and not in kind. The typical consumer of animal products also facilitates the torture of animals they just do it more indirectly. The one who purchases the flesh of a chicken is as responsible as the worker who cuts her throat. As Hershaft memorably put it, “The monsters are not under our bed. They are within us.”An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
Don't care, still eating my hamburgers
I grapple with the ethics of eating meat from ensouled animals but Reddit masterdebaters and literal "oy vey it's anudda shoah!" isn't going to change any minds.Buy an ad next time.
>>5125494>holocaust survivorStopped reading immediately.
>the latest from vegan schizo:>a mentally ill jew got bad vibes. starve yourself. >some factory farms are a demonstration of poor moral character so starve yourself instead of buying from farms you approve of.Whats next, he invented an aberrant, baseless “ethical system” by working backwards from his need to justify his neurosis? Somehow your future self is morally identical to a chicken so if you eat meat morality is impossible?Vegans can never manage to make sense. Meat/egg intake is needed for full brain function. With impaired brain function, the connections between abstractions and reality fray and neurosis manifests.
benthams.substack.com should be wordfilteredWhenever this homo posts on boards with flags and IDs his flag and ID change mid thread. He’s so banned he can’t even phonepost and he probably pays for proxies just to be called retarded on 4chan.
not gonna read all that gay shit
>>5125506>oyvey my ptsd is triggered by this pile of bones now we have to all be malnourished>oy vey! the goyim have gone vegan! this is like im in auschwitz all over again! no good food! what have i done? goyim get me a burger I’m dying ova herethe folly of the jew
>>5125491Damn Jack you sound like a fag dude
>>5125564Israel has a very high rate of veganism and the IDF is one of the most vegan militaries in the world
>>5125491Stopped reading at>Jack is a vegan activist. His father is a slaughterhouse worker.So Jack is gay. Not much of a story imo
>>5125582>the only military that has soldiers in diapers is also the most vegan military>also the military that treats humans like animals more than any otherVegan morality is the morality that always implicitly or explicitly holds that a human can be more deserving of a horrid death than an animalI am not surprised its common with the IDF
>>5125582>vegans have crazy anti-human beliefs>the notoriously genocidal and criminal army of religious fanatics is disproportionately vegansay it aint so veganbros
>>5125492>We meet a former slaughterhouse worker named Tom who has serious PTSD from working in the slaughterhouse. Tom describes the horrific conditions for slaughterhouse workers: working day and night to kill. He says he dreams of slaughterhouses six days a week, and began having violent impulses shortly after he started working in a slaughterhouse. He’d dissociate while at work and drink heavily to get through it. Everything must happen so fast in the slaughterhouse: he’d have to kill an animal every thirty seconds for ten hours non-stop. When procedures failed, he once saw a cow be skinned alive. Another time, a mechanical failure led to a worker being sawed in half.You see, in a world where there isn't an international hedgemon, where human populations move around like cattle themselves to fill holes in workforces fpr technocrats and oligarchs, you wouldn't need to have industries like this. Instead, you would only need to slaughter a few animals for a town or village, with a rotating roster of men that don't have to witness pigoclaust 9-5 7 days a week. But NGOs like PETA don't actually care about improving animal care as that means addressing the world around them that demands factory farms or industrial slaughterhouses in order to function. It would mean domestic supply chains and allowing people automony to sustain themselves and preventing the artificial inflation of local populations via migrant workers. It would require familys willing to homestead and cooperation with neighbors. Community belonging and identity to get needs fulfilled and to motivate people to help feed one another. All things that can potentially be seen as a rival powerbase to federal entities who would rather everyone rent in an urban slum and buy highly processed pigocaust meat or chicken at the nearest 7/11 or walmart, the very same entities who help set PETA up to begin with as a pigeonhold opposition against those remotely concerned about animal welfare or sustainability.
>>5125610Carefull anon. You don't want to sound like a racist, that's worse than eating meat
LIFE IS A CRUSHING GRINDER OF CRUELTYTHE VALUE OF LIFE IS LESS THAN THAT OF THE DIRT THAT BIRTHED IT- AT LEAST THE DIRT IS STILL DIRT AFTER A WEEK.THE SHEER SUFFERING PRODUCED BY MODERN INSECTS ALONE OUTWEIGH ALL HUMANS IN ALL OF HISTORY, ALONG WITH ALL OF THEIR FARM ANIMALS.IF ONE IS NOT READY TO PROPOSE TO ME HOW TO STOP BROTHER FROM KILLING BROTHER, PLANT FROM TEARING PLANT, THEN I CARE NOT FOR THEIR DIETARY MORALS.
>>5125604some humans deserve a horrid death more than a chicken, humans who have circumcised dozens of baby human boys are one example of this type of human.
>>5125746>humans who have circumcised dozens of baby human boys are one example of this type of humanAmericans?
>>5125491>same guy that tried to paint David Attenborough as a bad person on his birthday for clicksNot watching
>>5125491yeah, factory farming is really fucked upraise, hunt and fish your own food. better, cheaper, healthier and you know where its coming from.
>>5125781thanks for letting me know, shant be watching either, fuck you OP
>>5125492Please don't reply to yourself like that here.
