Could you imagine an entire religion where this was their symbol?
>>947059920I always wanted to worship a goddess.
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>>947060307Looks more like a victim.
Another one.
>>947059920Isis.
>>947059920That's not that weird though, plenty of goddess depictions throughout history were topless.
>>947064869You don't find this weird?
>>947065089It's not much weirder than the male version.
Her being in bondage and in some art being depicted as if in pain... you wouldn't find this weird in a living room of people who pretend sex is immoral?
>>947060307I want to worship her Queen Marika
>>947065331How is it any weirder than a mostly naked male Jesus who is in bondage and in pain being present in peoples living rooms?Aren't Christians more condemning of homo-erotica than they are of regular heterosexual sex?
>>947060307>>947064869>>947065442The irony is: A goddess religion would depict half-naked men in bondage and in pain.
>>947065480Christianity has a bunch of Saints cross-dressing - who then slept in the same room as their father and spent all day in a building with highly educated men... and remained a virgin for life.In fact, their wealthy family members were so impressed by their lifelong celibacy, that they donated most of their money.
>>947065508Do you mean the part of Christianity that is really into Virgin Mary?
>>947065584No, i mean the part of Christianity that is hiding in plain sight.
>>947065620In the goddess slave Religion everyone would pretend this isn't what it obviously is.
>>947065705>everyone would pretend this isn't what it obviously is.A mother doting on her towel swaddled toddler?
>>947065743Yes, exactly like that.
>>947065743In the goddess religion everyone would pretend.
>>947065784You do know that nude depictions aren't inherently sexual, right?I mean the vast majority of people aren't masturbating to Jesus being almost fully nude on the cross.
>>947065840In a goddess ruled society, everyone would pretend so hard, and grow up with others pretending, you'd had to point at the covers of erotic books women read to make them realize the obvious truth.
>>947065884I think you are oversimplifying women anon.Besides men are just as degenerate when they are horny.
>>947065946Look at her face.
>>947065946In a goddess ruled society, it would be immodest only for one sex to be seen nude.
>>947065959Mary looks concerned about his pain while worshiping him, the girl in the middle and the guy on the right look like they are looking up to a religious hero.
>>947066019Depends on the goddess, if it was a society worshiping Artemis virginity would be revered and looking at the naked form would be frowned upon.
(ignore the ai making her head bald)In a society with art like this, who do you think is charge? Men or women?
>>947066145Imagine a sadistic society which depicts women as nude or half-nude and men are always clothed.Just entertain that thought.
Imagine a society where you walk by this everyday.
>>947066285Why are you trying to herd me towards your specific idea of a goddess society anon?Are you touching yourself and trying to find a conversation about your specific fetish?
>>947066374I want you to see the things which are hiding in plain sight.
>>947066333I would assume it would be the same as a Christian society, only with a female Jesus.
>>947059920>I'm Nailed Right In
>>947066399How about you just tell me what it is you think is going on in plain sight instead of cryptically trying to push me into the specific thing you're thinking about?
>>947066374“Fish don’t know they’re in water. People don’t know they’re in culture.” Imagining what our society would be like if everything is flipped on it's head can be very useful.
>>947066458https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvA8NPAl2Dg
>>947059920I'd vote for it
>>947066467Are you a man? Or know anything about male sexuality?Imagine there's no internet porn and there's a building in the middle of the city which prominently features an almost naked woman bound to a cross - like BDSM.
I know you wanna pretend like women aren't attracted to the male body.Again, take a look at: >>947065884
>>947066480>Imagining what our society would be like if everything is flipped on it's head can be very useful.Sure, female Jesus wouldn't be society flipped on its head though, it would just be a feminine mirroring of Christianity which would likely not be much different from people being fond of the Virgin Mary.Flipping Christianity on its head would be outright Satanism with unironic demon worship and junk.
If you had no internet porn - would this make you attend church?
>>947066551Yes I'm a man and I've been to museums showcasing statues of naked and semi-naked goddesses and that didn't turn me into a slavering sex monster on the prowl for my next rape victim.
>>947066694Because you are used to porn.If there was no porn, you were a virgin and there was a building which featured lots of women in bondage...
>>947066634No, women getting brutally murdered doesn't turn me on.I'd likely imagine stuff for my masturbatory needs.
>>947066632>>947066734An official Christian Saint (canon) cross-dressed as a man - was accused of seducing her own sister - and escaped charges by revealing to everyone she was in truth a woman wearing male clothes.
>>947066724>Because you are used to porn.Those statues were from ancient Greece anon, which wasn't know for it's rampant rape culture.>If there was no porn, you were a virgin and there was a building which featured lots of women in bondage...Whether the person being brutally murdered on the cross is male or female, I would consider an artistic depiction of it a representation of a gruesome act.Getting crucified isn't sexual.
>>947066788Her sister was possessed by demons and it just so happened that she needed healing from her own sister who was living in disguise...And of course, officially the saint remained a virgin.
>>947066865Here's another Saint - officially canon. A woman cross-dressing as man.She hid in the place her father kept visiting and even comforted her own father over the loss of his daughter (herself).Despite living in a monastery where she was surrounded by highly educated men she remained a virgin for life.
>>947066788Okay, how does that refute the notion that if I were a virgin with no knowledge of porn, I would still not get sexually aroused at the depiction of a naked woman being tortured to death?
>>947066923>Despite living in a monastery where she was surrounded by highly educated men she remained a virgin for life.So even when she was surrounded by a bunch of virgin men who had no knowledge of porn, she was never raped?
>>947066926Can you imagine others would?Here's a picture of modern Graffiti. I bet you never masturbated to Graffiti. Neither did i.
>>947067000But i bet if you have art hanging like this in a building you run, you would notice if certain people find themselves more drawn to it than others.
>>947067000>Can you imagine others would?Sure, the small percentage of men and women with those predilections would engage in that stuff in that hypothetical, just like they do in the real world.
>>947067000This Graffiti is very erotic.Yet never would i masturbate in the street to Graffiti.That i wouldn't masturbate to it in the street - does this prove the Graffiti isn't erotic?
>>947067000>>947067052Also, I wouldn't masturbate to that even though I recognize it as openly sexual, bondage just doesn't turn me on.
>>947067052Right.Having art displayed like that in public in a building you meet every week makes it very obvious who is drawn to it moreso than others.The fact that the erotic depiction is gruesome, sadistic and cruel... well, it's a goddess society. And it's a cruel goddess....Hey, you ever heard of abuse stories in catholic schools? Perhaps by nuns?
>>947067052>the small percentage of men and women with those predilections would engage in that stuff in that hypotheticalAi Prompt:"Have there been catholic schools were children had to eat their own vomit or were electro shocked until they fell unconscious? To what extend where nuns involved?"
>>947067137>Having art displayed like that in public in a building you meet every week makes it very obvious who is drawn to it moreso than others.>The fact that the erotic depiction is gruesome, sadistic and cruel... well, it's a goddess society. >And it's a cruel goddess.No, that doesn't automatically follow, I would walk past that gimp suit woman every day of my life and it wouldn't draw me towards cruel and sadistic erotic depictions, just like it wouldn't for most people.On the goddess being cruel, if semi-naked depictions of sadistic and cruel forms of execution in religious art indicates that the god or goddess the religion relates to is inherently evil or cruel, that means that the god of Christianity as we know it is evil and cruel.
>>947067237Remember that Quote about fish in a tank not realizing they are surrounded by water? And that culture is like that?It is difficult to make people see the things which are hidden in plain sight.
>>947067237Are you operating under the assumption that I am a Christianity apologist and covering for the fact that both nuns and clergymen have raped and/or sexually tortured children?If so you are woefully wrong and misunderstanding me when I say that female Jesus on the cross depictions aren't much different from the male one.It's not weird to see the female version of Christianity, because I assume that version would contain the same amount of good and bad actors as the male one.
Prompt:>Have there been catholic schools were children had to eat their own vomit or were electro shocked until they fell unconscious? To what extend where nuns involved?Ai:>"Yes, there have been documented cases of these specific abuses in Catholic-run institutions (primarily orphanages, industrial schools, and residential schools for orphans or Indigenous children, often referred to as "Catholic schools" in historical contexts). These occurred mainly in the mid-20th century in places like the United States, Canada, Northern Ireland, and Scotland.">"Forced to Eat Their Own Vomit - This punishment was reported in multiple nun-run facilities">"Electroshock Until Unconscious (or Semiconscious) The most notorious example involved a homemade device explicitly used as punishment: St. Anne’s Indian Residential School (Canada) — Staff (including nuns) built and used an "electric chair" powered by a crank generator. Children were strapped in, shocked repeatedly (sometimes until semiconscious or unconscious), for punishment, "amusement," or minor infractions. It was also used on groups for sport. Survivors described it in police interviews; the school operated 1906–1970s under Catholic orders. The federal government initially resisted compensation claims for this abuse. Ontario Provincial Police investigations documented it extensively.">"Similar electric shock punishments (e.g., for bedwetting) were alleged in some Nazareth House homes run by nuns."
>>947067440But we pretend women aren't enticed by artistic depiction of men in bondage.(The crucifix is exactly that - and everyone pretends it's not sexual or BDSM)In fact, people deny women are even enticed by nude depictions of men - until you point at the cover art of the books they read. >>947065884...In hindsight, doesn't it make sense that the people who find themselves most drawn to this symbolism end up abusing children like a sick dominatrix?
>>947067359You quoted that at me and I'm an agnostic atheist.When you mention Christianity to me I think of all of it, the good, the neutral and the bad.Whether Jesus was male or female wouldn't change that view much for me.
>>947067570>But we pretend women aren't enticed by artistic depiction of men in bondage.Women as a collective group, yeah not so much, some women within that group?Sure, of course there are women like that.
>>947067570>In hindsight, doesn't it make sense that the people who find themselves most drawn to this symbolism end up abusing children like a sick dominatrix?Some women sure, but that isn't a majority reaction or even a common one, it's a niche.
>>947067607Yes, and only a fraction of women are nuns and not all women own a crucifix.Do you think these women have a stronger incentive to join a group which features lots of symbolism of men in bondage?
>>947067668Dude, men and women who are into sexually molesting anyone, adults, children, men and women alike will find ways to be in the position to do those things wherever they can.Monasteries aren't the only institutions that sexual predators and sadists infiltrate. Also on that image, prompt it to make the woman just as emaciated and in pain as the male counterpart, you keep posting plump fertile looking women's bodies to replace with the emaciated looking pain ridden men, making it an unequal comparison.
>>947067855The ai is unfortunately limited, i myself would prefer a closer resemblance. However men and women also find different things attractive.You are arguing over details. ... we could ask Grok or ChatGPT if there have been any cases of nuns starving minors.
>>947066634If I had no internet porn I would kill myself, so no.
>>947068065I know there has been cases of that, just like there has been cases of priests raping altar boys, what I am saying is that women aren't more prone to act like that, they're about equally as prone as men to act like that according the data that has been collected on this subject and in both men and women that segment of their groups as a whole is a tiny percentage, far outnumbered by men and women who wouldn't act like that.
>>947068403Officially.And in a bunch of stories about Christian Saints, officially all of them remained virgin for life. Even the ones accused of raping their own siblings.
>>947068666I don't get your point about saints anon, those were exceptional examples of religious people who were so devoted to their faith that they abstained from the normal human behavior of falling in love, getting married and having sex that resulted in children. How does female saints who remained virgins prove your point that women who gravitate towards Christianity are more prone to be sadists and sexual deviants?What about the male saints who remained virgins, do they prove that men who gravitate towards Christianity are more likely to be sadists and sexual deviants?
>>947068871>What about the male saints who remained virgins, do they prove that men who gravitate towards Christianity are more likely to be sadists and sexual deviants?According to a feminist book i own yet haven't read they are more likely to become sexual deviants and queer.
>>947066153Man, all these esoterica threads lately and I am getting none of them. I think I'm an NPC... Fuck!To answer your question, I would think a woman is in charge as those are the people who are doing the actions and that which is being acted on. What do you think one would interpret from such an image?
>>947069895That women really love men suffering and are more kinky than then they let on.Also the fact that much of Religion is: "And then everyone remained a virgin for life" <- should've really made it obvious women hold more power in religion than we were aware.
>>947069895Even stranger still: if you read Agrippa (occultist) he asserts that there's a law that was passed which allowed women to cuckold their men. And after that law was passed Christian Clergy stopped having Concubines (they did until about 1550).... the more you read the more it becomes apparent that:They coerce some men to live celibate until 35 and they constantly try to cuckold them. - the ones who remain celibate until 35-40 are then rewarded with cuckolding other men. There's lots of blackmail and really, REALLY perverted sex involved.
>>947070066*constantly try to tempt the men who are supposed to live celibately until 35.It's apparently a big fetish for women to deprive men yet constantly tempt them. But also to blackmail them via children such that they can do whatever they want.
>>947070066And Agrippa is like: Even though these laws were passed women were too kind-hearted to make use of these laws...That's very much like: "And then everyone remained a virgin for life".
>>947069833Well of course a feminist book would claim that, it's a female supremacist ideology.
>>947070210Mary Daly studied theology. She's a feminist and according to her Foreground = Patriarchy, Background = Life affirming realm of women.Feminism and Theology fit better together than one might think. In fact, Occultist literature reads surprisingly similar to feminist literature.
>>947070308Yeah, it's almost as if people who espouse gender supremacist ideologies have a predilection towards snake oil salesmanship.
>>947070414Or they hide the truth in plain sight.If you read Mary Daly or any of the others without grasping what's going on they sound like lunatics just writing down random garbage.
>>947070414How do you think an institution kept growing and attracted leaders despite none of them having children?
>>947070447I'll try again, what idea is it that you are trying to espouse?Can you in plain words tell me what it is you are getting at?>>947070465In the case of Christianity in Europe at large, it functioned as a governing body over the feudal monarchic nations, while providing services for the poor, the ill and the insane, as well as functioning as the venue for communal socializing and a provider of a shared identity in settlements of every size.They didn't need to reproduce because their institution provided the incentives of potentially gaining power and influence over society at large, which was attractive to the royal offspring who weren't the ones destined to take over their kingdoms of origin.
>>947070745It's the idea that after 35-40 years of celibacy men will be rewarded with the possibility to cuckold other men.During that time the women take great pleasure in tempting that men. They are sorta playing deadly sins like "lust". (they are tempted with other sins too, but that's difficult to explain).However, because being Clergy and having unofficial children puts a Damocles sword above their head, they now must do whatever the women want. And the husbands of women are rewarded or blackmailed too, to enforce them going along with being cuckolded.It's a big club of blackmail mostly run by women.Also: This happens in a "secular" way too. Like Epstein. In order to have children than a single wife can provide (to enter what Mary Daly calls the "background") you must agree to be blackmailed.
>>947071221The men do not know that they will be rewarded, they are just told that they have to live celibately.The "after-life" is actually life after ~35-40.What they call "eternity" is just having children. Because we live on through our children. Thus having children is sorta like "eternal life". - and if your children will be deprived until 35-40 that becomes "eternal damnation".
>>947071221>>947071313What makes you think all of that?
>>947071343Agrippa, Mary Daly, Surreal black and white movies from ~1900. Andrea Dworkins. Bible...
>>947071343The origins of the "influencing machine" and Schizophrenia. Because as asinine as it sounds, it's a bunch of people all having the same delusions and the more research you do, the more you realize multiple people all had eerily similar mass delusions.It gets even weirder
>>947071397Why are you listening to snake oil ideas from Agrippa, Mary Daly and Andrea Dworkin?
>>947071343You read the Hexenhammer and it mentions "Seminal Ducts". The Hexenhammer was written 1486 yet the first animal experiment on causing sterility by closing seminal ducts weren't performed until 1600 onwards.That's a surprising amount of medical knowledge for an Inquisitor.
>>947071510How often do you take breaks from this rabbit hole anon?
>>947071510>>947071343Even weirder still - the Hexenhammer mentions a magical charm sewn in-between flesh and skin.And it's like... that book was written 1486. How did someone manage to perform that kinda surgery? To hide something in the arm? Couldn't a simple infection kill you?
>>947071561whenever my mistress suffocates me.
>>947071569Another thing i did not expect is the Hexenhammer to speak out AGAINST torture.... it still recommends torture as a last resort. But it writes most people are so afraid that even the mention of torture makes them confess to everything (including lies) or they become immune to pain and die ere they confess. It recommends using slight torture without bloodshed.In every modern media Inquisitors were depicted as idiots who just made random accusations.That doesn't mean they weren't superstitious - it's just surprising.
>>947071645The Hexenhammer has a translation from 1929 and the translator in the introduction asserted that Witchcraft is a kind of blackmail.It seems in around 1929 there was a renewed interest in figuring out how witchcraft works.
>>947071569Have you ever considered that them having medical knowledge to a level that seems improbable for their time, might be an indication that the claims they make are bunk?>>947071581You know, after interacting with you throughout this thread, I'm not surprised that you have a mistress who suffocates you. That explains why you think men are so attracted to bondage imagery, you're assuming that they think and act exactly like you, which is further corroborated by your tendency to assume that women all reason and act the same as well.
>>947071569If you ask ai if it was common for people to sew magical charms into forearms let alone feasible, ai is like no that's near-impossible.If you ask ai if the Hexenhammer mentioned such a thing: Yes, it totally did.
>>947071768>might be an indication that the claims they make are bunk?Yes of course i did consider that.But then you keep reading occultist literature and feminist literature and you notice they all talk about similar things. That they very carefully use language to hide things in plain sight.Just as women were sorta hiding a BDSM club in plain sight - in the middle of the town. In the tallest building.
>>947071768I'm reading all of that to get rid of her.
>>947059920Sadists will be sadists
>>947071768>you can't reasonably make any generalized statements at all, but I canderp?
>>947059920The utility of a religion is not at all about it's "truth" or rationality, it's about what characteristics it gives to the culture that follows it. Does the memeplex increase the fitness of the culture in competition with other cultures?
>>947071862Really, occult books and feminist literature both use the same bullshit talking and fake magical talking points that can't be proven and you take that to mean that they aren't trying to fool you into believing shit that they can't otherwise provide evidence and sound reasoning to convince you with?>Just as women were sorta hiding a BDSM club in plain sight - in the middle of the town. In the tallest building.You should really stop listening to people who assume the worst of other people and by extension the institutions they happen to be a part of.
