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g/fur
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No thanks.
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>>947922481
For the longest time, I thought that was Darwin saying that.
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>>947922397
ugh!
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I have so much stuff to segregate to folders
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>>947922546
He is, I'm just a sheep.
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>>947922867
racist

>>947922882
makes enough sense
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>>947923491
you are right, let's dump irl whores to gfur folder
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>>947923779
Have another for your collection
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Birbs loves fat hoobers, it reminds him of home.
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>>947924177
thanks
>>947924328
I can't see my penis anymore
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>>947924410
Then stop hiding it in Dergs' butt.
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>>947925056
no dergs
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>>947926068
wow
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Horse have massive capacity of the anus... Many wonder why this is, given that horse stool size is only moderately huge.
This is because horses have to be able to take it up the donut when a frisky male puts it in the wrong hole.
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>>947928550
wow
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>>947928714
Wow
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>>947929598
jaa
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>>947929643
Hoobs

>>947929695
wow borb
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>>947929827
That the look he has when he mounts hoobas.
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>>947930144
oo bb, a kielbasa mount
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>>947929827
hoobs
>>947929695
ugh
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>>947933246
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>>947933499
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>>947933518
America will be safe now.
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>>947929643
This image confuses me.
Thought his left butt cheek was a penis.
Maybe I'm going insane.
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Good evening. I like that Borb saves the horse images I bring him.
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>>947935073
horses brings joy
>>947935038
you are furry, you are insane
>>947933913
not so fast
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Horse people crazy
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>>947935454
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>>947935534
horses
>>947935456
look at that hooves
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>>947935996
Yes, horses.
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>>947936020
horrse
night neight
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>>947936670
See ya round.
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It's hard to stop being gay.
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Why stop? Getting fucked up the ass feels great.
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>>947938689
Cuz the Bible said no.
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>>947938711
Whether or not the bible expressly forbids homosexuality is a contested theological debate pver possible translation errors. Some argue that the bible doesn't expressly forbid homosexuality and that the passages were mistranslated or translated without a full context. Furthermore, if you are a Christian, Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality and in one story even healed, without condemnation, the male lover of a Roman centurion who had fallen gravely ill.
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>>947937926
Gay.
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>>947938689
Hi fool

>>947938711
What do you think about satanism?
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>>947922397
Please more fatboy horses.
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>>947939137
Hello.
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>>947938952
That's actually pretty funny if people justify their homophobia using the Bible because of a translation error.
Lol.

>>947939039
I know.
Can't stop. I love the penis so much.

>>947939137
What is satanism exactly?
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>>947939211
The bible is used by so many people to justify all sorts of horrible things like homophobia, war, racism, sexism, greed, &c.
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>>947939172
You know who I am?

>>947939211
The church of satan is rights activism for lgbt rights
Satanism has no problem with lgbt all i really know
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>>947939373
I'm guessing Mav.
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>>947939421
Yea it me
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>>947939368
It ironically says more about human morality in that regard, I think.
Not what the Bible says literally but how it's used to justify the negative qualities you said.

>>947939373
Are you a Satanist?
Is there demonic worship or is that just a stereotype created by the church?
That's also ironic that Satan is more accepting of others lmao.
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>>947939565
How are you doing today?

>>947939623
It doesn't expressly say a lot of things, but rather there are vague passages (vague to us now since the original context is lost to history). The vagueness of these passages allow for interpretations that run counter to other passages of the bible, including things that Jesus actually said. "Be fruitful and multiply" for example is used to justify the accumulation of wealth even though Jesus himself said to live in poverty.
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>>947939623
No I am not a satanist I do not believe in such stuff
There is demonic worship consider it as a normal person to an extremist that really does worship
There is different gods you “serve” i think some worshippers can be really evil like christianity
Everything from moloch to baphomet there’s a few more
I’ve seen baphomet crouch behind a car and a “real depiction” of an angel a seraphim with thrones when I closed my eyes I still don’t belie in that stuff
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>>947940002
A little sad
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Hell, the bible even says that the only people to be preached to are those in Judea and to avoid the Gentiles and the Samaritans.

>>947940045
What's got you down?
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>>947939211
That's a serious condition.
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>>947940002
What's also interesting is that the US Constitution is interpreted in a similar way by the same cohort that reads the Bible.
It vaguely sets a framework for how the government "should" function and what an individual's right "should be", but never who or what an individual actually is.
All the way from slavery to the contemporary understanding that corporations are "people".
I guess what I don't get is the irony of people who need moral or ethical structure in their lives but construct them from vague almost half-baked texts.
Religious and nationalistic people conflate myth for sincerity all the time. They sincerely hate minorities so that justifies the myth of the Bible sort of thing.
Or a nation's founding or whatever.
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>>947940024
Well if praising Satan let's me love men freely then sign me up.
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>>947940118
Life I think don’t really know where it came from season maybe
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What Christians deliberately failed to grasp was that Jesus was not out there forming a new religious movement. He was the leader of a radical specifically Jewish revolutionary group that sought the end of Roman occupation of Judea. It wasn't until the fallout from the Bar Kohkba Revolt, around 100 years after the death of Christ, that Christian leaders broke from Judaism to form a new religion in order to try to lessen Roman persecution against their own members.
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>>947940333
Have fun, bible understands human nature very well and tells you what to do
I’ve had online preachers turn their smile upside down when I have femboy outfits
I love it seeing someones day ruined just because i exist
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>>947940348
Taking a genealogy of early Christianity's beginning does sort of deconstruct it's historicity.
Because it challenges the linear ideal of a clean break between the ancient Hebrews and Christ's teaching.
The modern interpretation like you said is that he "set out" to find a new faith or religion. Which makes you wonder what within the New Testament is actually authentic or myth.
What's interpretation? Or is everything in the Bible really just someone's interpretation?
Why does God even need interpreting if it's all knowing?
It doesn't make sense.

>>947940462
I think it's a pretty weak worldview when just something or someone existing makes it salty.
I say keep existing because their ignorance will.
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Y'all are such a gay
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>>947940286
The Constitution sets out a lot more, and in clear language, about who is and is not a citizen and who does and does not have protected rights. A lot of Constitutional arguments stem solely from political stand points as many things the Constitution would 100% allow, was seen as being not allowed. Abortion and gay marriage both fall under the 14th amendment. Even now, with the 14th amendment specifically saying that all people born in the United States or their terrotories, are granted automatic citizenship, and that all persons, regardless of citizenship, are granted due process under the law in the US and its territories, they are trying to argue that it doesn't actually say that, even though the Constitution quite literally does.

The issue is that people have existed under an intensely hierarchical structure that separates people into classes. When Columbus landed in the Americas he told the Spanish crown that the people he found lived the same as Adam and Eve in the Garden. They were pure and free from sin, and that they should be enslaved. To justify the enslavement of people he called pure and compared to humanity before original sin, the church and crown developed concepts of racial superiority claiming it was the white European's duty to civilize and educate the natives since they had no conception of Eimuropean Christian morality and were too stupid to come up with it themselves.

>>947940613
The bible makes absolutely perfect sense when you remember that these books were written over the course of thousands of years by people to explain and teach to their specific group the laws, permissible behaviors, dietary needs, justifications for wars of conquest &c that they needed at that specific time period. The trouble is that we are so far removed from when, where, and why the books were written. Despite that removal people still try to look to it as a guide to live life in a modern, technologically advanced, world.
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>>947940613
I’ve met homophobic people a really mixed bag some just don’t like me because I look good they let me know trust me
Are you done with christianity?
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>>947940335
Could be seasonal depression. My mood is starting to swing downwards as the days grow longer and the temperatures rise.
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Horsecock is psychologically dangerous.
The moment you see it, you realize that nature has created a perfect specimen that human men can never hope to attain and you will forever be haunted by its pure eroticism.
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>>947941000
Yea I like winter more sometimes i like summer a pleasant feeling
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>>947941076
Sunmer is the time when I want to kill myself. I hate it so much. Too bright, too much noise, too hot and humid. Give me dark cold quiet winters.
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>>947941123
Hammy running fast in his wheel i fed him yesterday filled his bowl now he’s good for a couple of days he has a big bowl and tends to himself
Last summer was too hot felt like my heart was going to stop
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>>947940970
Those are all true points. The 14th Amendment does set that out in respect to civil liberty.
I think I was reasoning through the premise of the US's original founding. Focusing on the irony that all men are created equal while maintaining slavery. Making the 14th Amendment a "necessity" in the first place. Which shows a deeper flaw in the nations founding; unlike the myth that's taught in history classes throughout the US.

I think where I would push back however is the formal structure of those hierarchies.
Marx himself gave us particular tools to critique systems of oppression created through systems capital that are anachronistic when compared to the ideals of Adam Smith for example. The benevolent "invisible hand" doesn't guide in the 20th-21st century, it strangles. Which moved us away from Hegelian metaphysics altogether.
But modernity didn't stop at Marx or Hegel. Because we later found out after WW2 that meaning constructed under the false aegus of ideology, and it's fashionable hierarchies, is not only relativistic but leads to the mechanization of that aesthetic. The concentration camps streamlining genocide through technology is an example.
But technology itself can become a medium for myth. I mean think of all the people online who spread conspiracy theories about the end of the world using digital platforms.
That's some sort of grasping I think toward early modernity's need to believe in something. The irony is killing them and postmodern fascism is the tsunami leading it.

>>947940996
I'm not sure where my personal beliefs are to be honest.
I personally feel a sense of humility to try and understand what's beyond my human-ness.
Like I just can't even imagine what's beyond or the physical universe. So personally I feel I don't know.
And with that said I doubt the Pope has more insight than that.
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>>947941420
Hamsters love their little wheels. Do you ever get him hamster treats? Apple slices, bananas, and other fruits are good so long as you remove the seends as are fresh broccoli, carrots, and unsalted nuts. So long as you don't give them in abundance the hamster will not just enjoy them, but will remain healthy.
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>>947941585
Being agnostic is a thing having yet to find proof of a god
Although most agnostics are pricks the ones I’ve met personally at least
The universe is big we are just a grain in the sand compared to the universe amazes and scares me every time i think about it
The pope has access to the vatican archive and a secret priesthood so he’s pretty connected

>>947941612
Sometimes not too often he loves his dried worms and would rather eat feed than regular salads. Not picky but has taste i give him small seeds from other plants than fruits the fruits he eats are tomatoes and small tiny banana slices
He lives in luxury he tolerates me
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>>947941908
I think I'm personally skeptical of humans who claim insight into the nature of existence.
Religious, spiritual, or occult systems exist because they effectively manipulate signification in the mind. Which induces insights or altered states of awareness that are later interpreted as being significant within that particular belief system.
Which make suspicious because what I am, as a body and mind, takes place within physical reality. Including my subconscious and the mental artifacts it holds onto.

And there's just, nothing outside that? I definitely don't experience anyone or anything else outside of that.
It's a mystery. Which I think is scarier than a belief system or absence of one.
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>>947941585
Actually that very issue was debated during the Cinstitution's writing. Originally the all men are created equal did apply to slaves. However southern states, whose economy relied heavily upon slave labor, rejected emancipation, however, with slaves NOT being included under the protections of the Constitution, meaning they did not count towards population, that ALSO weakened the Southern States' position within the federal government. The 3/5ths comporomise was reached specifically to address that issue, with the caveat that no new slaves could be imported into the nation after a certain date which was later set by Congress in 1808.

Marxism doesn't critique the idea of heirarchy as it sees a need for justified Heirarchical structures. Marx sees a need for heirarchical structure to control and guide the population. Marxism necessitates the existence of class, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, and deliberatley ignores peasantry altogether. Marx's theory applies to industrialized nations only and doesn't ever consider the agrarian. In order to achieve a Marxist utopia of classless statelessness one must first overthrow the bourgeois and install the proletariat at the top of the heirarchy. The end goal of eventually the proletariat itself will cease to exist is left vague and time after time the supposed Communist revolutions achieve the destruction of the old bourgeois and the installment of a new bourgeois pulled from the proletariat. What we learned from both world wars is that there actually isn't any meaning in anything. That all morality, technological advancement, ideas of decency, are illusions humans used as a smokescreen to blind themselves to the cold hard truth of pointlessness that humanity exists within. It is no wonder that Absurdism, Existentialism, Surrealism, Dadaism, Abstract Expressionism, and all new forms of experimental music came about after both wars.
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>>947942173
The government use christianity as propaganda to make babies and live a “normal life”
The hetero “”atomic family” was designed against human nature finding compatible mates takes tries
All I chalk faith into
What i find scariest is the great attractor
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Waiting for my syrup to cool.
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>>947941908
Try giving him a treat from your hand and giving him soft materials marked with your scent for hin to use in nesting. He'll associate your scent with comfort and hand feeding him treats will cause him to associate you with positive feelings. Also talk gently to him. Eventually with all that he will allow you to hold and even pet him. I had a guinea pig growing up and did all that. I was able to pick him up and pet him and he'd nuzzle into my shoulder while I was on my bed.
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>>947942494
Don't lather it on yourself
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>>947942347
Ok now this discussion is getting interesting lol.
I think the reason that I made the argument I did about Marx was because I was approaching it through the lens of Althusser. I was assuming that the structure of the state, in this context the US, maintained the oppressive hierarchy Marx warns about through the Idealogical State Apparatus. Like using Christ's teaching to defend free markets.
I was also viewing Marx's influence on the history Western thought through the process without a subject. Something Althusser alludes to via his theory on overdetermination. Historical events being caused by multiple factors simultaneously.
The reason I mention all of that is because I wonder, is revolution that Marx alludes to teleological and must happen, or is happening all the time but oppression mutates with it?
It's a disturbing question I don't think progressive thinkers take seriously enough because we see happen in the LGBT scene all the time.
Progress of being able to marry and oppression through, well, we live it.

>>947942399
I wouldn't mind if the government helped me find a proper mate.
Actually, maybe I would, idk.
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>>947942583
I do all that except the soft bedding with my scent
He’s afraid i found him in a decrepit dirty home where people partied with loud music all he had to drink was beer and had to burrow into the food bag to get something to est he’s hurt i try to provide him with a happy life and it’s working yet still doesn’t like me enough it’s ok takes time

>>947942957
The “atomic family” requires you to be virgin and first time lovers it’s a Christian concept that the government pushes for
I used it as an example
Good luck
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>>947942743
I needs me lemon-limeade.
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>>947942957
I must admit that my knowledge of Marx is limited, I am only familair with it through The Manifesto, the writings of Guevara, the writings and lectures of Zizek, amd through studying the Chinese, Russian, and Cuban recolutionary movements of the 20th century. I am much more familiar with the art and philosophical movements I mentioned at the end.

The US, and all capitalist nations, do try to maintain the heirarchical structure through the manipulation of state apparatuses. However this isn't due to the state itself, but rather the individuals within the upper echelons of society. Manipulation of the markets to divert the flow of wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes, the establishment of corporations as individuals, the lobbying of Congress, the Executive, and the pass and enforce or laws or rule favorably for them, the maniplulation of the educational system to train children not to question authority and to be able to sit still for eight hours at a desk doing mind numbing work, the manufacturing of consent through the media, &c. It was the same with the bible in earlier times. Biblical interpretations these days are all about scamming people. And the reasons behind the spread of homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, and racism through the bible and through the political apparatus is specifically because people are quite stupid and easily duped. The idea is that you give them an enemy to hate and they won't question anything you do. I think jt was LBJ who said you make the white man feel superior to the black and they'll let you pick their pockets. There is a lot of talk these days of living in a post-ideological society, but that idea of post-ideological is itself an ideology. The reason for the LGBTQ community trying to normalize and even adopt the postmotions of those that would putlaw them is the same reason the Christians broke from the Jews. We see it time and tine again throughout history.
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>>947943144
It will take time, yes. He seems to be living happily though and at least doesn't run away and hide from you or attack you when you're near him.
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>>947943864
Better today?

>>947944034
He used to attack but not hide bite me until there was blood now he gently nibbles on me
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>>947944220
That's good that he gently nibbles instead of bites. It means he is curious and looking for food. They have poor eyesight so have to explore using their teeth. Hard bites are done out of fear and stress.
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The devious thing about all this is that we as human beings are no longer actual indoviduals. We are constructions of society. From the moment we are born we are bombarded with ideology. Our entire world view is shaped to fit into the heirarchy. It is done to the point where we cannot, or will not, see the ideological cage that we live within. And seeing the cage for what it is is a painful and horrifying experience. Freedom hurts us.
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>>947943829
Don't give yourself a lemonade enema
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The social problems we are seeing today are the result of the system in which we live no longer being effective. We are able to more fully see the machinery which controls our daily lives. It is a shocking thing. We sre realizing the truth of pur predicament, that everything we though was a fabrication and has no actual meaning. And we are reacting quite strongly to it. Rejecting social norms, pushing back against the systems of violence, demanding its destruction. This itself is going to lead to problems because what happens when it does? What do we do once the machinery is dosmantled? It's the question Zizek likes to ask, what happens the day after?
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>>947944220
Today wasn't bad.
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I am making chicken katsu tonight.
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>>947947234
That sounds good.
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>>947947526
It is good. I hate to brag, but I got my katsu down pat.
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Goodnight.
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I didn't have enough panko to make all the chicken into katsu, so I made the last two into normal fried chicken. Note that this is not southern style as that involves a 24 hour brine in buttermilk.
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Hmmm
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>>947951774
good hoobers can have a slice
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>>947951774
Horses can in fact eat some kinds of cake. But other kinds of cakes contain foods that would be toxic to horses so they cannot eat them. Like dogs eating chocolate. They really really want to eat that chocolate, but they cannot because it would kill them. They are too stupid to realize this though. Or maybe it is that they do know this, but the call of the void is over powering.
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>>947951908
Whole cake
>>947952131
Horses can eat human flesh too
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>>947952302
So can I, but ypu don't see me bragging abou it.
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>>947952403
You clever fucker
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bored
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>>947956107
wow
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>>947956449
wow
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how have you guys been
I no rember the last time I was here
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>>947957636
lick that hooves
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>>947956607
Gay.
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>>947958955
rather homosexual tbh
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Thicc booties.
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big booty bitches
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>>947957797
no.
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>>947961610
Thank God it's not horse
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>>947961962
heels
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>>947962096
even worse
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Heelies!
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>>947962264
amateur
>>947962306
better
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>>947962306
wow derg wow.
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>>947962357
yes u
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another sad sad day
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>>947962775
hmm
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life is pain
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whats up with that all yall cowards dont even smoke crack
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>>947962990
Bring me booty.
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>>947963192
show off ur dick
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>>947963591
(]===========3
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>>947963658
lame.
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>>947963685
why you ppl want my dick and butt pics so bad
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now shed that violence all overrrrr let mayheeem in the streeeeeets
from mountain top to oceaaaans we own your every neeeeeed
its coming DOOoOOOOOWN
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>>947963763
Entertain us, we need to gauge who's gonna find you hot.
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>>947963877
you first
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>>947963919
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>>947963989
>>947963989
bro chiiillll
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>>947964078
We collectively asked first, no cop outs
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Fuck all yall niggas im going to play my guitar. BITCH.
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>>947963989
took me 5 seconds to realise its not wacky parasite
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>>947964180
That's actual duck penis.
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>>947964219
I realised it
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>>947964180
This is a gay fur thread nigger.
I'm not even Part of this shit and you niggers NEVER follow topic.
Ylyl isn't ylyl. Most users are bots.
Just jfc I hope lognigger leaves and shows you just how fucking dead you really Made this site.
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>>947964271
whatever, anon.
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>>947964393
gegn .
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Bitch, bitch, bitch, I just want twink butt.
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>>947965376
bimbos
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>>947965376
>>947965508
Twunks
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>>947965692
ewww no
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>>947965692
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>>947965761
Mmm yes.

>>947965795
Little more tone than that
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>>947965865
fag
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>>947965865
Twinks are best.
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>>947967813
yes, twunks.
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>>947967990
Booty.
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>>947965795
My ribcage is twink my shoulders the same length as my hips I got like 1.3 rib to hip ratio don’t know if I’m a twink or a twunk
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>>947968087
Last time I saw your pics, you had no muscle definition, so twink.
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>>947968125
Thanks snarf I got less fat now not really eating much since it has to be healthy
Pretty sure I’m in a calorie deficit each day now
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>>947968013
I would still rope myself before ever talking to Mav again, but that's beside the point
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>>947968531
Go ahead kill yourself right now
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You can't handle rejection You can't handle rejection nani nani boo boo
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>>947969205
I can't handle being fat
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I do not give a shit about your interpersonal dramas. Only for the booty.
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BOOTY.
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>>947970665
ugh
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>>947969720
Ugh

>>947969751
>
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>>947972228
ugh
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Tired
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>>947974298
He's dreaming of becoming glue.
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Where’s the fool at? I got a book recommendation
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Guess who’s got your rämpy
Guess who’s got your rämpy
I do!
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>>947985477
do read books?
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>>947985509
I doubt I share the same tastes as the Fool.
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Good evening.
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>>947985737what genre do you read?
>>947986096
have you read the king in yellow?
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>>947986375
I have. I am not a fan of cosmic horror. Lovecraft's overt racism ruins the genre for me.
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>>947986375
Oh, I know King In Yellow.
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>>947986453
is there racism in the books? If not maybe seperate the art from the artist

>>947986536
I kinda want to read it
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Goodnight.
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>>947986662
In Lovecraft's work? Most definitely. Most of Lovecraft's writing are about the inferiority of, like, Jews and Black people and Irish and the shifty Chinese &c.
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>>947986676
goodnight

>>947986709
I've never touched a lovecraft book before so I wouldn't know
I've read a rambo book a furry book, game of thrones one book from dostoyevsky a lot of comics and a few others I can't remember
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>>947986831
Dostoevsky is great. You should read Kafka, he's very funny.
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>>947986894
So them being sad is funny to you? Like a state of mind you’re in, unbothered by their sadness.
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>>947988040
They're not really sad stories, Mav, they're depressing stories. Depression and sadness are different, and people often make the mistake of conflating the two. His stories often contain a lot of black humor. Gregor Samsa's metamorphosis into a giant insect is met with annoyance instead of horror, Joseph K's complaint that the arresting officers ate his breakfast, the Hunger Artist's revelation that he doesn't eat because food doesn't taste particularly good to him, the Warden's asking for help because he is tired of his job which is to just beat up dead people.
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>>947988736
I was thinking about describing it as depressing but something corrected me in my mind
Ok I laughed pretty genuinely at that
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>>947988986
If you want something a little more zany I'd recommend Bulgakov. The Master and Margarita is hilarious.
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>>947989140
and the giant cockroach I'm almost puking from laughing I saw that as a hallucination where pyro from tf2 turned into a cockroach I just found it annoying makes it 10x funnier
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>>947989287
Kafka is great, one of my two favorite authors. He can teach you a lot about the human condition.
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>>947989476
Sometimes I don't really understand social cues been wanting to say this for a while
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>>947989875
That's alright, lotta folks don't.
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>>947989908
Is it manipulative to pretend you know something and play into it?
I'm told I am really good at seducing people at least online the guy I went on a date with in the past thinks about me a lot I can tell
the so called red flag guy, I'm thinking of getting back at him since I blocked him if he breaks up with his boyfriend and expects me to date
I'll be in Denmark without telling him my way of getting back at him
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>>947990254
You shouldn't manipulate or get back at people, Mav.
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>>947990281
I don't know If I am manipulating or spiteful
pulling tricks or just mean I don't realize it sometimes
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>>947990341
I'm considered rather mischievous by people. There is a difference between that and being manipulative.
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>>947990365
I guess the difference is secrecy towards acting a certain way around people or being in-genuine
I think law told dely I am not friends with him they like to message and be annoying towards me
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or nibi
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>>947990408
I don't know anything about the goings on in that server. You should always be genuine.
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>>947990424
what if I told you dely is a proud racist and self proclaimed misanthrope
no matter fuck em
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>>947990460



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