>>949112907
She gets you for free without having to throw any pussy your way. Why would she bother? Women think transactionally. You're nothing but emotional support animal that doesn't require anything but a little attention to keep you interested.
You're basically a miniature poodle in this relationship.

>>949112907
>I've been friends with this girl since we were thirteen
You answered your own question

>>949113004
I logically know that's the case, but I just can't seem to accept that she would risk our 8 year friendship for this.
I'm probably too easy to read or something.

>>949113043
Don't follow

>>949113071
What's she risking? She hasn't fucked you in 8 years, and you're still hanging around. She's not going to. Find someone else to crush on. She 100% knows that you want to fuck her. Instead, she's fucking other guys, and when she's having trouble with them, she uses you for a place to stay, doesn't throw any pussy your way, and goes back to the guy who is fucking her after she's mellowed out.
This is the best this relationship is ever going to be for you. Stop fooling yourself that if you just hang around her long enough she's gonna fuck you.

>>949113071
She looks at you like a woman.

>>949113279
My sister told me that exact thing. But I don't want to leave her. I've liked her for so long. Gambler's fallacy.

>>949113558
Do you mean sunken cost? The thing that's verifiably wrong? Just because you got zero attention in school doesn't mean you weren't learning something retard.

>>949113132
Boys build relationships differently than girls. The longer you've know the girl, the less likely she is to see you as potential mate. Or you're unattractive.

>>949113698
Yeah, right, I forgot the name.

>>949113279
My biggest fear in giving her consequences (Not letting her sleep at my place) is that she won't care.

She probably knows that she's hurting me. Weren't women supposed to be more empathetic or something?

>>949113811
Wrong, you're just forcing relationships with women than arern't attracted to you. Now you know.

>>949113939
So you'd rather hang on to your hope that one day she'll realize you're a great guy and fuck your brains out?
Bro, that only happens to the plaid wearing Chad in Hallmark movies when the chick figures out that businessman boyfriend back in the city is really an asshole.
If she doesn't care, or, more likely, gets mad because her free ride has come to an end, you're better off, because then you know and can fucking move on.
Bro, most of us have been in the friendzone at one time or another, and it never works out. Literally billions of men over the last 150 thousand years have been through this same shit.
It's not happening. No way. No how. Hanging on like a puppydog hoping for a headpat isn't going to get you anywhere.

>>949113698
Slightly different thing. Sunken cost is "I've already spent x amount, so I should keep going otherwise it's wasted."
Gambler's fallacy is "well I lost x number of times, so I'm due." About independent events that don't affect one another.

>>949112907
She's not attracted to you. Don't throw away your friendship because of ego. Just get a girlfriend. She'll try to break you up though, so be careful

>>949114686
I'll try dating apps. As mentioned, my sister told me to leave her and said that she could set me up with one of her friends.

I thought about that, but didn't want to, it shouldn't be that when my friend has the epiphany that she could just like me back and I won't be single.

Maybe I'll give in.

BRB, bump this post if it gets into the last pages kind anons. I want to cry more later.

>>949114802
She's not going to, anon.
Anyways, you've been told. People who know you and her have told you straight up.
Apparently you made this thread because you were hoping someone would chime in with something like "I was in the same boat, and now we're married with 7 kids" or some shit.
Good luck.

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>>949114802
epiphany that she could choose to like you?

so you're delusional

>>949112907
No one can walk all over you unless you lie down first.

>>949115617
That was supposed to be a self-aware joke
>>949114938
You got me.

I made a lengthy post detailing how you can be a weasel and manipulate the situation to your advantage, but I accidentally refreshed the page before the post cleared.
Whatever, the gist is that you can always sway a girl who's in a relationship into liking you, because girls often keep their options open in case shit goes south with their current partner.
I was pretty much a gremlin that knew guys can be insecure and territorial whevever the girlfriend has a platonic "friend" that they talk to all the time, and that behavior will typically drive her away from them and towards you.
It usually comes with casual flirtation and openness, expressions of vulnerability that make them feel invested in you and attached, that they often reciprocate.
It's a shitty thing to do, and most other men will consider you a girl-stealing prick, but that's their problem, not yours.
That said, if you've matured enough you'll realize that you don't deserve love if you manipulate it into existence, and the best option you can take is be honest about how you feel, which I'm assuming you've never done, and just move on if the feelings aren't shared.

>>949112907
>>949113071
>>949113558
>>949114802
Have you ever told her how you feel?

>>949116177
>Which I'm assuming you've never done
If I had the balls, I wouldn't be her bitch right now.
Thanks for the write up anyway.

Do you think she seriously sees me like a friend or that she's actively being malicious and manipulating me? I can't see the latter being true but these other guys seemed biased to that answer.

>>949116281
She is not being malicious, that is insecurity, and honeslty a coping strategy of bitter men to feel vindicated in their rejection.
>Oh, she was just a manipulative bitch so I shouldn't like her anyway. Fuck her. Booho.

Truth is, if you don't know her well enough to accurately discern her mental states, then what you're experiencing isn't love, just infatuation.

>If I had the balls.

As annoying as I find the fact that women generally don't initiate, you have one of two options, either sack up and deal with the pain of potential rejection, or live in regret that you never bothered to try.

Don't be a fucking coward.

>>949116281
>she's actively being malicious and manipulating me?
Women leverage their sexual availability to acquire resources from males. They don't see it as malicious, it's baked into their DNA. They're very transactional. And the transaction you have with her right now is that she shows you a little bit of attention or affection, and you're her simp.
So the answer is, yes she's manipulating you, but she doesn't see it as malicious. She's giving you exactly what she needs to for what she wants out of you. It's the implicit deal she has with you. She's keeping your hope alive because that's what makes it work.
Women are not men. They do not think like men so far as relationships go.

>>949116430
Messaged her to come over.
What the fuck will I do if she says no?

Don't say "move on", I've been in love with this girl for eight years, I haven't even flirted with another girl all this time. Best case scenario we stay friends, right?

>>949116744
Yes, you stay friends and allow that platonic intimacy to heal the wound. If she rejects you, don't get pissy or upset, just accept it and appreciate that she respects you enough to give you an honest response so you don't feel like she's stringing you along, which will be a healthy evolution of the relationship.
You'll most likely stay friends. Girls tend to be pretty chill about that kind of stuff so long as your not a sperg about it.
I know you don't want to hear "move on," but man, you really don't have an option if she's not into you like that.
It'll take time, obviously, but don't feed into the hope that maybe she'll come around one day while you continue to waste away, because honestly, that could be a significant reason why she's not romantically into you, because it signifies low self-worth (which isn't always a dealbreaker, believe it or not).
Still, you did the right thing, so you should take pride in yourself for that, at the very least.
And no, best case scenario is that she does have feelings for you that she keeps reserved, for reasons you'll find out later.
But without being a pedantic faggot about it, yes, you'll stay friends, and who k knows, maybe somewhere down the line something will click and you both end up together.
Just don't wait around for that to happen, because she isn't.

>>949116744
>Best case scenario we stay friends, right?
No. Best case is that you come to your senses and realize you're wasting your time.
Again, we've all been there to some extent, greater or lesser than you. Literally billions of guys have been in your shoes throughout history. I'm not saying none of them ever ended up with the girl, but your chances are less than hitting the lotto.
You have absolute concrete proof that she's not into you like that. It's been 8 years, and this is all she wants from you. If it wasn't, she'd have made it clear to you already. Your sister has told you this. She knows exactly what's happening. The girl in question knows that you're crushing on her. She has no illusions at all about it. She knows 100% that you want to put your dick inside of her. She's known it from day 1.
And all this time, she's know it and has not acted on it. Does that not tell you something, anon? Is there any way to make this clearer for you?

>>949117164
I realise this anon. It's just that I never told her officially.

And I don't just want to fuck her. I genuinely love her.

write her a gay little note
bitches love gay little notes

>>949117315
Seriously dude, I've been there. For me, it was two years. I finally told her how I felt, and she shot me down. We stayed friends, but eventually I realized at some point I hadn't talked to her in a while and really didn't care. That hope is the killer. But once it goes, you'll eventually move on with your emotions.
I know it's not what you want, but it is what you need to be a healthy adult.

>>949116744
>>949117315
>>949117550
It was obvious at this point but she rejected me.
Funny, she's the one who started crying.
She told me that she guessed that I'd liked her for a long time but didn't want to break my heart.
I immediately asked her to stay friends of course. I can't imagine not seeing her on the weekends.
Guess the main goal of my life is nothing now.
I'll call my sister and ask her about that friend of hers. To be honest, I never believed her because she never did like my friend.

Thank you guys I guess. Wonder when I'll start crying.

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>>949118389
Yeah, dude it sucks. It's gonna suck for a while. Try not to fall back into the same routine and thought patterns. Anytime you do, remind yourself what she said.

>>949118389
Rough, man, but least now you know.
It's much better to put that shit out there and have it shut down than keeping it internalized with nowhere to go.
Trust me, what you did took genuine courage, and that's something many people lack.
If you really love her, which it seems like you do because you value the friendship enough to preserve it, then that pain will go away eventually and you'll start to appreciate her more as a friend, which takes a lot of maturity.
Sorry that it didn't work out like you hoped, but at least you have an experience to reinforce your sense of self-respect, which you genuinely deserve.

>>949118389
>Wonder when I'll start crying
Stop being melodramatic, your life isn't over.

if a bitch tells you shes “not looking to date anyone right now” that just means no right

>>949118962
Yes, but it's actually a lack of game on your end.
If she responds like that, send her a photo of your abs with the caption "How about dating a god?" Then her pussy's bound to explode in creamy, fishy goodness.

>>949118962
It's coded language that means she wants you to send her a dick pic

>>949118389
fuck that cunt. she knew what she was doing and even admitted it to you. go fuck around and get your dick wet with some strange. guys nowadays seem to be way too invested in just the one girl. and they keep fixating on the most specific set of circumstances for their ideal fantasy of how things should work out, and consistency lose everything and feel like shit when it doesn't happen, because it's not realistic. I promise you this is not the only woman you'll end up feeling this way about and before you get all gay on me an say "but there's only her, I only want her, there's no one else like her". dude, you're the only one like you and she used you for 8 years without thinking of you the same way, all the while with her knowing full and well that you liked her the way that you did. She's not the only girl in the world. it sounds fucked up, but fortunately and unfortunately, there is ALWAYS someone better.

>>949112907
You're a man she can get attention from without having to do anything. She has you wrapped around her finger and she doesn't need to do shit to maintain it.

Move on and get over her anon. At this point, why do you even want her? You know she's been ran through and she's been treating you like her bitch.
Find a woman that respects you.

You'll need to cut her out of your life though. She'll sabotage all of your relationships somehow, directly or indirectly because she doesn't want to lose you being her bitch. She doesn't want to lose the power she has over you and she'll use that to keep you reliant on her.

Every story I've heard and seen where they were friends for years before being lovers, or they've known each other since early teens, all end in a shitstorm even if they do go anywhere.
Any girl I've ever been with, we fucked within days or even hours of meeting.
If there's mutual attraction, you'll know it.
If there's not... there's not.

>>949118389
https://youtu.be/nCtn6igpgP4?si=eR29iuWTcLWkPcqP