Why did Jesus have to be whipped and crucified to absolve mankind of his sins?What if Jesus had to eat an entire 72 oz steak with sides and a baked potato with all the fixins for our sins instead?
what if humans are just a biomech suit attuned to a certain frequency of consciousness?
>>950753247and he had a really heavy breakfast that dayand the romans wouldn't let him use the shitter
>>950753670and had only one Miller Lite to wash it down
dont like the word "fixins"
>>950757735Fully loaded baked potato, sounds appropriate.
>>950760316it sounds like low IQ southern talk which I hate
>>950753247to be fair, if Jesus had eaten a potato I would consider that a fucking miracle.
>>950753247Because his suffering at our hand symbolizes our hatred toward God that Christ personified as love and just furthers the neurotic irony that we must believe we and society are not enough because any striving toward something better is sin since it just bastardizes the divinity of heaven by trying to actualize it here on Earth.>farts
>>950753247The world was not American back then, people would wonder what the fuck that is and why it's not covered in cow shitDo you know when they discovered germs? The 1850s.
>>950760539>Do you know when they discovered germs? The 1850s.The Bible was written before 1850.
>>950753247 In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.Hebrews 9:22 NLTfor the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord.[a] It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible.Leviticus17:11 NLTHe is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.Ephesians 1:7 NLT 9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. Romans 10:9-10 NLT
>>950760599That's my point you quadruple retard
>>950760637You're right I'll believe now because Moses and blood.
>>950760681Don't even reply to people that fucking stupid.Holy shit that's actually scary.
>>950760684Jesus is the way and the truth.What you believe has no bearing on the truth.You can put your faith in Jesus Christ and have eternal life or you can die the second death when we are resurrected to be judged.
>>950760857You really believe all that?
>>950761015Yes.With all my heart.I used to think it was all bullshit but then I was born again and now I know the truth.Jesus Christ is absolutely real.He is alive and will save you if you truly ask him to forgive you and save you.
>>950761249Why do you assume I need saving?
>>950761288 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GodRomans 3:23 NIV
>>950761368So I'm an inherently sinful person?
>>950761380Yes.Everyone is.Have you read the ten commandments?I'm sure you've broken at least one, I know I have.That makes you a sinner.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.Romans 6:23 NIV
>>950761481But why does that matter? So what if the world is sin. God created everything including both sin and salvation. You can't have one without the other. Performing belief feels insincere.
I don't understand what everyone's problem is with Christianity.You put your faith in Jesus Christ and you become indwelled with the Holy Spirit.It isn't like every other religion where you have to do stuff and follow rules.If you truly have faith in Jesus Christ you will be saved and God will change you for the better. He will grow the fruit of the Spirit in you:But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!Galatians 5:22-23There is nothing you really have to do, Jesus Christ has already fulfilled the law for you. He has taken your sins upon himself and died in your place. You just have to have faith in Him and what He has done for you.Read the New Testament.
>>950761877But I don't want virtue where.>There is nothing you really have to doFuck that.I'm alive and I want to feel that way. Not rot on my ass and say I'm good just because of what I believe in.
>>95076168923 Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not. 24 That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”John 8:23-24There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.John 3:18 And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.John 3:367 And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-916 And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? 18 And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? 19 So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest.Hebrews 3:16-19
>>950762198But what am I rebelling against?If God is everything then there's nothing to sin into or away from because that would imply that there are aspects of reality, and my own will, that weren't created by God and therefore he couldn't be all powerful.The premise of a test doesn't even make sense in the first place.
>>950761989what are you talking about?I'm not rotting on my ass.I'm out in the world. Full of joy, even in my suffering.Spreading the love and joy of the Good News!And I know that I am not going to die!If you refuse to have faith in Jesus Christ you die on judgement day.Everyone is going to be judged.Either you've already paid the penalty for your sins with the blood of Jesus Christ or you will pay for your sins yourself.And the wages of sin is death, eternal death.
>>950753247>>950753247>Why did Jesus have to be whipped and crucified to absolve mankind of his sins?God showed us that even the greatest of mankind can be taken from us through the impudence of sinful men.
>>950753247The blood of the innocent pays for the sins of the guilty.But only if the guilty acknowledge the righteousness of the innocent blood.
>>950762358It's ironic you've preoccupied yourself with your own joy over Jesus Christ that you think the only joy others can experience in life is from Jesus Christ.
>>950762497What gives you joy?
>>950762624Jesus Christ.
>>950762497I never said that did I?What joy do you have that is going to go away if you believe that Jesus Christ died for you?It's your choice to believe or not.I just want you to be aware that Jesus Christ is real. It wouldn't be right for you to be cast into eternal destruction without someone telling you.
>>950762366He was Jewish
How do you guys expect a realistic conversation with abrahamics when they mysticism and spirituality to the table?
>>950760450Get you some vittles anon.
>Guys I'm sorry..>I just can't eat the fuckin steak..>Guys I need to go to the hospital..
>>950762662I too find great joy when heebs are nailed to wood
>>950763086>Guys, I'm gonna->*BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPHPHPHPHPHPHPH*And thus, the holy spirit was born.
>>950763124>heebs??
>>950763195Hebrews. Jews. Kikes.
>>950763213Shut up>>>/pol/
>>950763213Not funny at all. They are protected from harm by the governments and society, btw
>>950763349Tunnelrats. Foreskin Chewers. God's Ugliest Mistakes.
>>950763414You have a mental illness.
>>950763432And it's called pattern recognition
>>950763379Infant mutilators. Money lenders. Longpigs.
>>950753247it genuinely doesn't make any sense, how does man going against God lead to global forgiveness as long as you accept Heyzeus, the one we killed?
>>950763459Everything is not a pattern.
>>950763349To call you a rat would be an insult to rats.>>>/trash/
>>950763530I didn't say everything is a pattern. Jewish behavior exhibits a clear pattern though.
>>950763521>God rapes himself into Mary>Gets nailed to some 2x4s>???>Profit
>>950763564Every Jewish behavior is a pattern?
>>950763663Are you retarded?
>>950763700Are you?
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>>950763763Probably a little
>>950763788Maybe he'll settle for some fries?
>>950753247it is / was jewish culture to get forgiveness from god by putting all your sins into an animal and sacrificing it. jesus is considered the same way...a permanent sacrificial lamb to absorb everyone's sins through his death.
>>95076455029 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 He is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’ 31 I did not recognize him as the Messiah, but I have been baptizing with water so that he might be revealed to Israel.”32 Then John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. 33 I didn’t know he was the one, but when God sent me to baptize with water, he told me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I saw this happen to Jesus, so I testify that he is the Chosen One of God.”John 1:29-34
>>950764550There is no God so that's good. These people believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.Can't blame the people 2000 years ago not knowing that, but today? Man.
>>950764723How do you know there is no God?What proof do you have?
>>950764911Here is my proof that there is, indeed, a God and Jesus Christ is His son and my Lord and Savior.I'm an alcoholic. I got drunk just about every night for twenty some years.I was also a hate filled Nazi just like a lot of you here.I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior one night when I was drunk and felt suicidal. My life changed. It wasn't all at once. I didn't even really notice at first.But I met my wife within two months of that night.The hate in my heart left. I got rid of all my nazi shirts and music. Then after awhile, once I really felt the Fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) growing in me, I prayed to God to make me stop drinking.I haven't been drunk since that night. Not a gradual stop. A full, no desire to get drunk, stop the very next day.I loved alcohol and God blessed me because I still can have a beer or two when I go out to eat or at a party but I haven't drank a drop by myself at home or been drunk since that night.There is no way that would have happened if Jesus Christ wasn't real. Don't give me any mind over matter shit. I tried all that. I cried out to Jesus to make me stop being a drunk and I haven't had a desire to get drunk once since that night.Jesus Christ is alive and will do all that He says in the Bible.Get on your knees and pray to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and help. Do it for real with all your heart and He will help you.If you do it as a joke or without faith He won't.God Bless all of you.Hopefully we'll all see each other in the Kingdom of Heaven one day."On hearing this, Jesus said to them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'” Mark 2:17 NIV
>>950762326Notice how the Jesus bot can't respond to this
>>950762326You're rebelling against God by not having faith in Him.The entire human race has been in a state of rebellion since Adam and Eve broke God's law and got kicked out of Eden.And before you start with the, that makes no sense, bullshit. It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you. It is how it is.If the Bible is true, and I believe it is, then your only options are put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior or die.Now, could God have mercy on people who don't have faith? God can do what he wants.Do you want to bet your eternal life on God not doing what He says He will do in the Bible?
I wanna see this Jesus fella in person. Let me see those miracles first hand. Whenever I ask this of Jesus followers, I get a run around.Suspicious.
>>950765540You're going to see Him when He resurrects you for judgement.If you don't put your faith in Him, that post will probably be brought up. : )
>>950765629Why not now? Why not today?
>>950765695The Lord our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions.Deuteronomy 29:29
>>950765523Jesus bot is upset
>>950765711literally posting circular arguments
>>950765523You're betting the Talmud or Quran are wrong, what's one more?
>>950761249Let me guess: you have a history of heavy substance abuse
>>950765800Yes. I have personal experience of the truth of Jesus Christ. That does exclude the others.>>950765808Just alcohol. I've never done anything else. Not even pot. How about you?
>>950765711Jesus was willing to appear and do this, that, and the other 2000 years ago. Why stop?This is all suspicious to me and I just wanna get away from whatever it is these Jesus adherents are selling.
>>950765876Going schizo is not Jesus, if you were Muslim it would've been Allah and if you were Jewish it would've been Satan
>>950765880Put your faith in Jesus Christ and you'll have your own testimony. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.Acts 1:8Why are you so afraid that God is true? Read the Gospels and judge for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it. I just offer it up as one of millions of others that testify to the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ. Look into it before you make a decision. Have a wonderful night. I love you all.God bless you.
>>950766023I appreciate your concern but my gut is telling me not to just accept anything on faith. I work on verification and all I get is run-around with this whole Jesus business.
>>950765958Read the New Testament.Read some books about the truth of Christ.You believe in something. Prove it.You can't. That's why it's called faith.I have faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.He died on the cross to pay for my sins.He rose from the dead to show us death is defeated.He lives today and guides and protects His flock.
>>950766164>faith>just consume product and get excited for next product>don't question it, just go with itthat's not for me, man. I need some hard evidence.
Ur born and all you know is Jesus died for Ur sinJesus's death and resurrection is the epicenter and core belief of Christians. Steak have nothing to do with Christianity
>>950753247Whipping is the biblically prescribed punishment for witchcraft. Crucifixion is the roman punishment for disobedient slaves.
>>950753364Brain waves come in many different frequencies, so that doesn't hold up.
>>950760637Is that why he told his troops to raid villages and rape little girls after killing the old people and males, little girls bleed more when raped, so they are more purifying to their rapist?
>>950760857>Jesus is the way and the truth.Then why are the books about him full of contradictions and why didn't he write anything himself?
>>950761481So you are intentionally limbless since jesus also said to cut off any limb that may cause you to sin and as an inherent sinner all your limbs may tempt you at any time?
>>950761877>I don't understand what everyone's problem is with Christianity.Ghost aren't real and everyone knows you are stupid for worshiping them.You didn't even read the book because pretty much everything you say can be refuted by it.
>>950753247GO JESUS GO!
>>950762366But that isn't why he was taken, he wasn't taken at all, he decided to fly away while promising to return before all his apostles died which didn't happen.
>>950762449So I should convince my young innocent children to let me stab them so I benefit from their bloodshed? Is this why god is always convincing young moms to murder their kids?
>>950764911>How do you know there is no God?The elijah test can't be done, there is no one true god, it is all just fairy tales, no pope nor pastor nor self proclaimed second coming would even try to attempt it after the age of video and embarrass themselves because they know the book and its stories are just fiction and metaphors to manipulate the minds of the youthful and naive.You can add to the proof by trying yourself, but if you do, you should do to yourself what the bible prescribed for the people who failed the test.
>>950765876>Just alcohol. Not even pot. That causes way more brain and organ damage than pot, though.And since pot is the fruit of a seed bearing plant, you were specifically commanded to use it by god in the bible, jesus is going to be pissed when you get to heaven and will refuse to hang out with you while he goes and uses pot with his real friends who did what they were told.
>>950766023How often do ghosts come on you?Is it like a daily thing or you only let them do it on their birthday or other special occasions?