last thread got slid by an ill-tempered shrew with a closet full of baby bones
>>23747360unspeakable acts are unspeakable
>>23747360Women know as well as men that marriage is a sham. They're preemptively saving themselves from single motherhood.
>>23747360It don't really be like that.
>>23747360You should be pro-choice. 1st trimester at the most. No exceptionsMost people who get abortions are retarded liberals or niggers>74% cited relationship problems or a desire to avoid single motherhoodI.E They are retarded. They somehow don't understand that sex has a VERY high chance pregnancy. Chances go down while taken meds and wearing condoms, even more if you don't stick a dick inside a vagina. That is a simple and easily understood cause/effect that teenagers are able to comprehend. The last thing society needs is a bunch of incompetent single(usually) poor moms having kids that they can't even raise. Look at single parent households and how that negatively affects the kids growth for more information on that matter. www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectivesMost who get abortion in this country are overwhelming black. and this isn't per captia as far as I can tell www.kff.org/state-health-policy-data/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
Take your shitty, cringe-inducing conservaboomer maymays back to Facebook, grandpa.
less niggers means less crime, less barbaric aspects of it cultural influencing others, less victim complexes to deal with.Lefties already have less kids than rightoids. Parents play massive role in their kids beliefs. Less of these dumbasses having kids, which they already see as burden or immoral in the first place, means less dumbass commies/troons/"let anyone into the country"("people"). That is a massive win for society. >But what about the poor clumps of cells I don't think abortions should be treated with apathy as much as the next pearl clutching pro-lifer, but most of you fuckers seriously think life start the point of conception which is silly. You aren't convincing anyone but yourselves saying that. Drop this lousy contention>But the bibleI don't believe in god.>but rape!I can't find any concrete numbers on how many women get abortions due to rape, but I've seen some range from less than 1%~4%. Only a few are getting abortions due to rape, but I have to no problems with it in cases of rape/ incest.Pro-choice all the baby. It only hurts lefties anyway, let them kill their future. That's a good thing
>>23747675This.
unspeakable acts are unspeakable
>>23747727this feels accurate
>>23747389This, the family unit is going unstable and about to go full nuclear meltdown We are about to be forced to draw new boundaries between people
>>23747360notice how the only semi-cogent counter-response itt assigns a hierarchy to human life based on socioeconomics and race. pure pottery.why does this issue animate women more than anything else? women are frothing at the mouth "fighting" for consequence-free access to murdering their own children and have no rational basis beyond their selfish desire to preserve their hedonistic lifestyles.
>I'm a horrible, evil, amoral degenerate piece of shit>and I'm an atheist
>>23748389>Smug Mel Gibson reaction image >>I'm a horrible, evil, amoral degenerate piece of shit>Mel Gibson's criminal record includes a 2006 DUI arrest (later expunged) and a 2011 conviction for misdemeanor battery against his ex-girlfriend, resulting in probation, counseling, community service, and fines, which also led to a federal ban on his gun rights. The battery case involved pleading "no contest" to hitting Oksana Grigorieva, leading to 3 years' probation, 1 year domestic violence counseling, and community service.
>>23748380You are retarded
>>23748510you have nothing to stand on so you resort to emotional outbursts. its very girly.
Stop murdering children you whores. Give birth then give it away to a family that actually wants it.
Even most conservative pundits begrudgingly admit that the abortion issue is a losing issue for them and that a nationwide ban on abortion is unattainable, to say the least, as, quite frankly, very few people are actually concerned about the wellbeing of early trimester fetal tissue anymore. At the state level, the religious right have, unfortunately, made some considerable efforts to chip away at abortion rights, but banning abortion nationwide is, again, just an Evangelical wet dream. GOPers will always promise to put an end to abortion because they know that they will continue to get votes by making such empty promises, but then they won't actually do shit about abortion because, if they did, then what? I suppose that they can still threaten to lock up the gays and kick the brown folks out, but abortion is something that Evangelicals are much more passionate about than anything else and, since it's purely emotional from their side, they can be easily swayed by it. It's the classic carrot on a stick effect.Plus, if abortion ever were criminalized at the national level, then how would Evangelical women abort their uncle/daddy's fetus or their boyfriend's fetus to cover up their "sin and degeneracy"? After all, a large percentage of the women who get abortions are Evangelicals and Catholics.Not to mention, if abortion were outlawed, it would just create a huge demand for dangerous back-alley abortions on the black market. Roe v. Wade wasn't the beginning of abortion in America by any means. It was just the end of women dying from abortion in America. Conservatives always point out that, if guns were outlawed, it wouldn't stop people from obtaining guns (which is correct), but they can never apply that same logic to all of the things that they want outlawed.
>>23748960Again, abortion is the carrot that keeps Evangelicals voting again their own best interests. After all, who gives a damn about the economy, foreign policy, or civil rights, just as long as there's a tiny hope that we can save fetuses?I used to be a pro-lifer, but I gradually came to the realization that a clump of fetal tissue is not a person, and that outlawing abortion would only create a huge demand for dangerous back-alley abortions on the black market. Banning abortion would be about as effective as banning drugs has been. With that said, if you're having an abortion in your third trimester, that's a different story entirely. At that point, the fetus is viable and, as such, it's no longer just a part of the woman's body. But abortions done after the third trimester are almost always done for medical necessity, despite what conservatives say. At that point, the pregnancies are usually wanted, but have to be terminated because the fetus is dead/dying or the mom will end up dead.
>>23748965Dealing with miscarriages isn't abortion you lying kike.
>>23748986Then why do retarded conservaboomers try to claim that it is, dumbass? And why are Texas hospitals so afraid to treat miscarriages now?
>>23749032>Then why do retarded conservaboomers try to claim that it is, dumbassThey're retarded.>And why are Texas hospitals so afraid to treat miscarriages now?They're retarded and believe your lies, or they're also lying.
>>23749032Name one instance of a woman having a miscarriage being denied medical care.
>>23749059https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/Fucking retard.
>>23748960your arguments remind me of the voter-id issue.>women are too dumb and horny to just close their legs before the want children.no, they aren't. cool it on the soft bigotry that all women are slaves to their lesser impulses. if they were forced to carry the consequences of their actions to term, they wouldn't be so careless. wouldn't be so inclined to be whores. and men would have more incentive to take them seriously as life partners instead of just pleasure wholes.and before you bring up r4pe and 1nc3st i want to remind you those account for less than 1% of abortions. im not absolutist. it should be safe, legal and rare. you need all three. its not rare. its a convenience that women demand to evade accountability. they abused it as birth control.
>>23749196>no, they aren't. cool it on the soft bigotry that all women are slaves to their lesser impulses. if they were forced to carry the consequences of their actions to term, they wouldn't be so careless. wouldn't be so inclined to be whores. and men would have more incentive to take them seriously as life partners instead of just pleasure wholes.The government has no business telling women what they can do with their own bodies and neither do basement-dwelling incels like you. This country was founded on separation of church and state. If you want to live in a fascist theocracy where women are property, then please, by all means, move to Islamic Sandlandistan.
>>23749196>r4rpe>1nc3stthis isn't tiktok
>>23749064This is just a shitty hospital being retarded. Name one instance of a doctor being prosecuted for delivering a baby during a medical emergency. It's never happened because it's not illegal. These doctors were fucking retards, or perhaps this was malicious compliance, hoping to kill one of their patients to own the republicans.
I love how we can kill millions of babies with no problem, but if one stupid illegal immigrant woman dies, the world must stop turning.
>>23749214The separation of church and state was to protect the church from the state, not the state from the church.
>>23749214it's not the state's job to "fix" women
>>23749064What strikes me about that story is that at no point was the baby even discussed like it was a human being. The doctors just waited for its heart to stop beating so they could rip it limb from limb like the satanic demons they are. At no point do they make any fucking effort to actually, you know, save the baby. I hope they are prosecuted for negligent homicide.
>>23749290Wrong again, retard.https://eji.org/news/georgia-woman-arrested-after-miscarriage-amid-growing-criminalization-of-pregnancy/https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/health/miscarriage-criminal-chargeshttps://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/10/31/stillbirth-oklahoma-arkansas-women-investigated>>23749304>The separation of church and state was to protect the church from the state, not the state from the church.Thomas Jefferson didn't agree with your theory. Neither has any Supreme Court since the country's founding.
>>23749313I know. That's exactly what I said.
>>23749313any make who supports feminism or thinks women have set in stone ideologies havent been around women or worked with women in any capacity enough. Women are more obnoxious than men will ever be and get away with a ton of shit because of their gender.t. used to work with teachers
>>23749324None of those are doctors, retard. Find me a DOCTOR who was prosecuted for delivering a baby during a miscarriage.
>>23749337Literally anything you try to retor with i will disagree with simply because of my irl experience with with women in a work environment.
>>23749214its not the government's job, correct. its men's job to uphold societal standards.recent generations have abdicated this responsibility. men no longer protect women from themselves, hence the permissive culture that allows abortion, normalized whorish behavior, whorish clothing, while opening the border to the real barbarians. tptb knew that women entering the political process would result. modern women in their present state and the country going into decline.the good news is that there is still time to correct and you can already see the political solutions taking form.
>>23749346women are some of the worst people ive had the displeasure to work with right along side military veterans in a work environment.
>>23749349>its men's job to uphold societal standardsThis is misdirection. The law always backed this, because making and enforcing laws WAS the men upholding the societal standards.
>>23749337women are people just like anyone else, some of them are stupid, some of them are smart, some of them have actual ideologies, some of them do what they want
>>23749329sorry, meant to reply to >>23749196not you
>>23749363>women are people just like anyone elsei dont disagree with that, they have way less of a filter than men do in modern day and they recieve no back lash over it and turn around and screech about womens rights as if they dont have as much if not more considering the amount of shit they get away with in comparison to men in modern day
>>23749339So, it's fine to prosecute women for having miscarriages? Fucking mongoloid.>>23749349"The real barbarians" (i.e. Islamic goat-fuckers) believe that women are inferior beings whose only purpose is to serve as property of their husbands and who must be granted absolutely no autonomy of any sort. You seem to completely agree with them, so why not just move to Afghanistan?
>>23749324Thomas Jefferson heartily agreed with me: the government should not interfere in religion.
>>23749372why should men be held to a hire standard yet women be allowed to go around accusing men or literally the most random shit without any proof
>>23749372being unable to look past your own personal experiences (most likely highly influenced by your own actions and interactions with women) to see the bigger picture is an intellectual failing
>>23749383or maybe you havent experienced life enough and spend all day on 4chan?
>>23749384I work in an industry that's about 2/3rds women so no, I deal with them constantly
>>23749377
>>23749324Both of those stories are women being prosecuted for mishandling dead bodies. And the CNN one is just a "warning".
>>23749376women should not have sex if they don't want children. its not hard.you can make strawmen and cry about islam and women being inferior all you like, though. you are sounding more feminine and childish with every post.
>>23749402>women should not have sex if they don't want children. its not hard.you have no authority to impose a moral structure on half the population of the planet, the sooner you figure this out the better
>>23749406>you have no authority to impose a moral structure on half the population of the planet, the sooner you figure this out the betteryou're just as black and white on the topic as anyone elseWomen dont have the moral structure to impose anything on men yet they do it all the time, quite literally
the funniest thing to me is that the most obvious solution to preventing abortions is to make birth control readily available and subsidized to the kinds of women who are at risk of having abortions if they get pregnant. why do you think pro-life people never suggest this?
>>23749394you don't need a religious argument to establish that murder is evil. the liberal take on abortion requires dehumanizing their own children, which is why this is such a potent debate. it cuts through the misplaced empathy and boils down liberalism to it's essence; "if it feels good it is good." that sort of hedonistic morally bankrupt framework for policy and society can never hold up to scrutiny.
>>23749406>you have no authority to impose a moral structureand what exactly do you think you're doing when you claim human life is disposable? do you hear yourself?
>>23749425nobody is forcing anyone to get an abortion
>>23748960>After all, a large percentage of the women who get abortions are Evangelicals and Catholics.No shit? Christians make up like 70% of the population in the U.S. This is just selection bias in action. Some of these people could be Christians in name only as well(which is like nearly half of these so called "Christians" if you ask me)and most of those people are likely to be niggers anyway> "sin and degeneracy"You're homogenizing churches here. They do not always agree on what is deemed as a "sin" or "degeneracy". Christians sin everyday, this is common knowledge, it's through the grace of the lord that they can be forgiven for their sins. And churches are not responsible if someone actually doesn't practice their teaching. That's like blaming the law if someone commits a crime. >>23748965>With that said, if you're having an abortion in your third trimester, that's a different story entirely. At that point, the fetus is viable and, as such, it's no longer just a part of the woman's bodySo abortions are okay before third trimester or 28 weeks in? are you joking? That's definitely an extreme take. What's taking someone so long to get abortion at that point? 89% of abortion happening with the first trimester or within the first 10 weeks. That's more than enough time to reach an conclusion on whether you want to a have a child or not.
>>23749425they're probably a woman or a retard that thinks being a male feminist will get them laidonly two viable explanations
>>23749415Birth control is cheap and widely available, but women still don't use it because they know they can just get an abortion if they get pregnant.
>>23749423>you don't need a religious argument to establish that murder is evilYes you actually do. If there's no God, then there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong" and you can just do whatever you want because who cares?
>>23749443yes people are willing avoiding taking a pill just because they can get an invasive and traumatic procedure instead, this is a real thing that happens
>>23749428non sequitur.imposing a moral structure that upholds innocent life is a superior structure to anything that doesn't. which is why this triggers women. its obvious and they hate that.
>>23749451Oh so now abortion is a traumatic and invasive procedure, not just a clump of cells and a bad period
>>23749456telling people they must or must not do something is imposing your morality on them. letting them make a choice is the opposite.
>>23749449you're retarded, go randomly assault someone and see if you feel bad afterward if you don't feel bad from just the thought experiment alone you need to see a psychologistthe vast majority of people will feel bad humans have an inate sense or morality from a societal viewpoint that your liberal anti moral college professor refuses to talk about because it destroys his entire argument to begin with. If you form a society where the norm is that murder is normal people aren't going to think it's bad. This is not hard.I only bring up college professor because I heard that shit in college too but I wasn't retarded enough to buy into it
>>23749460>Oh so now abortion is a traumatic and invasive procedurecertainly can be at certain points in the pregnancy, sure
>>23749462go look at the moral structure of TMA(Traditional Martial Arts) you can literally get in major trouble and kicked out and people abide by it without religion being involved. Hell the moral structure or martial arts in general is like that
>>23749461you really think killing an unborn child is like smoking weed or something. you are so lost.
>>23749470voodoo fucking magic of when does a soul appear in someones body shouldn't be in a scientific debate of when life forms/starts in the womb
>>23749470if you can't think beyond your own perspective there's really no point in trying to talk to you
>>23749480you act very much like a woman if you aren't willing to argue against what anon said
>>23749449>If there's no God, then there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong" and you can just do whatever you want because who cares?Nigga are we serious? You can still have moral system without believing in god.
>>23749415it used to be readily available like hiw cocaine used to be a perscription medication but people started taking it for literally anything and then it became controlled
>>23749492he's dead serious. I had a college professor that gave a lecture like this to the class.
>>23749495why do you think no pro-life people are suggesting free iuds or birth control pills for at risk girls? do you not feel like this would prevent abortions?
>>23749480continue your logic to its natural conclusion and you find all morality is relative and criminalizing murder is imposing an ideology.
>>23749492You can but so what? Without an objective external standard to compare it against there's no reason for anyone else to give a fuck what you think. It's just your personal preference, which might be completely different from mine but can't be "better" or "worse" in any way that matters.
>>23749492You can, but it's incoherent, based on feelings and "cause I say so".
>>23749500>do you not feel like this would prevent abortions?I think closing your legs has a 99% of not needing to get an abortion. Saving you time and money. That sounds better than wasting money because you don't know how to have safe sex.
>>23749500honestly the biggest and most logical argument someone could make for keeping aborition illegal is population control which is agreed upon to be illegal and morally wrong world wide(at least in the UN)it could be argued by preventing births via birth control and abortion you are attempting to practice a form of population control to keep the population at a set number which violates international law and im surprised that hasnt been made yet
>>23749500There is no evidence that birth control reduces abortions. Abortion is high even in countries with universal health care where all birth control is free.
>>23749519as an argument at least
>>23749502criminalizing murder is absolutely imposing an ideology on people, but murder is something that almost everyone agrees is wrong and it's also something that has to be outlawed in order for society to function. abortion is a completely separate issue that doesn't really fit either of those parameters.
>>23749523and it would be a pretty sound argument considering it's liberal american vs literally the entire planet
>>23749518>I think closing your legs has a 99% of not needing to get an abortion.and what's the success rate on getting women to close their legs?
>>23749525im assuming that you are aligned with the scientific approach that life begins at conceptions and you're starting from a position that unborn humans have no rights, because they are dependent on their mothers. do i have that right?oif that is the basis, then why draw the line there? why not have open season on invalids and the elderly? what is the guiding principle in your framework that separates abortion from murder?
>>23749511objective external standard to compare it against there's no reason for anyone else to give a fuck what you think. It's just your personal preference, which might be completely different from mine but can't be "better" or "worse" in any way that matters.There is no objective external standard if there is I would love to here it. People do care, If your morality system shows to overall benefit the majority why wouldn't they adopt or at least consider it?>>23749515So it's no different from any other moral system? got it. >>23749532Extremely high. Telling someone that you don't want to cum inside of them sounds like very high chance of not needing to get an abortion in the future. Do you disagree?
>>23749546>*objective external standard to compare it against there's no reason for anyone else to give a fuck what you think. It's just your personal preference, which might be completely different from mine but can't be "better" or "worse" in any way that matters.oops forgot the the arrow
>>23749515are you fucking mentally ill?
>>23749546>Extremely highyou're a moron
>>23749546>So it's no different from any other moral system? got it.If you think man = God, then yeah sure, appealing to man is the same as appealing to God.
>>23749572do you just take like 800dicks a day?
>>23749580if you kill someone, someone who is attached to that person will want to get revenge in some form or fashion.Many people by default are eye for an eye. That is why ancient sumerias moral system was like that. Wanna know what it led to? A never ending cycle of people fucking with each otherto prevent this cycle it was just made flatout illegal
>>23749572LMAOOO that's your response? Not even an argument, Just concede and move on
>>23749594and revenge can range to black listing that person from x or y thing to the completely untame part of the spectrum
So who won
>>23749621me i guess people stopped arguing with me when i started using actual real world examples
>>23749623and my whole schtick was just calling people retarded
>>23749594You're just arguing that it's wrong because it harms society. Why is harming society wrong?
>>23749621The pro-lifers when this guy >>23749324 couldn't name an example of a doctor being prosecuted for delivering a baby during a miscarriage.
>>23749628ok so if someone harms you you wouldnt start screeching?what if they let you live so you can be in constant pain after surviving it. I dont think you're mentally old enough to be debating with people
>>23749647mentally mature i mean
>>23749647You already ruined the other thread with spamming, do you have to ruin this one with being a fucktard?
>>23749664im not even that other anon, but ok
>>23749596you're ignoring my point which is that contraceptives are the actual solution to people needing abortions, not trying to get them to ignore their biological imperative which has pretty much never worked in a society where people have rights
FURTHERMORE the reason why pro-life people won't even consider contraceptives as a solution to abortion is because they don't actually care about fetuses, it's about controlling and punishing female sexuality
>>23749692>t.
The only reason I have a problem with this is because I just hate women and I want to control them
why do you think so many pro-life people are willing to make exceptions in the cases of rape and incest?
le rational gore thread
no emotion or provocation whatsoever herevery constructiveworth the energy & gore exposure
>>23749729It's not gore, it's just a clump of cells of a woman's body, bigot
>>23749730you're welcome to respond to the question i posed here >>23749541 and address the elephant in the womb.
>>23749757actual good responseprobably the best response to mock someone itt so far
Christkikery and its consequences have been a disaster for this site.
>>23749688>their biological imperativeWe shame men for thinking with their dicks first before their brain. Women shouldn't be judged any differently. I don't think women should be irresponsible whores as much as fuckboys who go around pumping and dumping women. You want birth control to be cheaper because women are irresponsible with their bodies. I think that's silly>>23749692>it's about controlling and punishing female sexualityI never once said you can't have an abortion, I already made my points very clear earlier in the thread>>23747672 and>>23747699I'm pro choice, but i don't deny the fact that most of you fuckers are completely incompetent when it comes to making decisions. Why are (usually poor) women and men completely brain dead when it comes to sex? You can't afford a child, but still want to bang? Practice safe sex. Don't come inside her. If you don't trust the guy(you shouldn't be fucking at that point anyway) then try some other type sexually act that has an extremely low chance of pregnancy, there's a whole lot out there. Abortions aren't free. Birth control costs money. You want a free option? Close your legs. >>23749721Because it's not the women's fault that some nigger force himself upon her. I don't see how this matters. As said earlier in the thread, rape and incest make up less than 1%~4% of reasons why women get abortions.
fuckin objectivity training
>>23749796>We shame men for thinking with their dicks first before their brain. Women shouldn't be judged any differently.You're welcome to attempt to shame anyone about anything you want, what I'm against is legislating someone else's morality.>I never once said you can't have an abortionThen I don't see why we'd need to argue about anything>Because it's not the women's faultExactly. If someone forced her into a sex act there's nothing to punish her for. If you seriously and genuinely believe that abortion is murder, on the same level as pulling out a gun and shooting a full grown human, do you really feel like rape justifies murder (of someone incidental to actually doing it)? Nothing else in our justice system says that should be the case.
>>23749814you can't answer my question from >>23749541because it forces you to differentiate abortion from murder.so you just ignored it because it forces you to admit you are against legislating morality of any kind since you can't define boundary conditions.
>>23749546>There is no objective external standard if there is I would love to here it. People do care, If your morality system shows to overall benefit the majority why wouldn't they adopt or at least consider it?>morality isn't real>it might be useful as a tool to get people to do what I want thoughKeep telling on yourself anon.
>>23749838>you can't answer my question fromI can but I don't think it takes the discussion in any kind of productive direction:I don't think a zygote lacks human rights because of its dependence on its mother, all babies are dependent on their mother or a caregiver. To me it has more to do with level of development. When a fetus hits 18 weeks is when generally they start to be able to hear outside the womb and have their very first perception of the world, that's about when I'd start to call it a person and be uncomfortable with termination, but again this is a personal moral choice.
>>23749870yeah...you posted the buryberries didn't you
>>23749911i wasn't that green guy that kept quoting himself I left after he started doing that
>>23749922ahi can't remember the thread that well honesty
honestly*
>>23749692Exactly this. Men seeking to control women's bodies - and women in general - is a tale as old as time. Regardless of what anyone says, the so-called "pro-life" movement is purely about patriarchy and always has been. Denying women rights over their own bodies is an ongoing effort to control women, using Christianity as cover. By the way, when Roe v. Wade was first passed, most Christian organizations supported it, including the Southern Baptist Convention, which stated that "It is questionable that Christian love and justice would be served by extremely restrictive laws which do not give conscientious people with proper medical advice the opportunity to choose when they are faced with very grave moral dilemmas related to abortion."
>>23749887i give you some credit for answering instead of ragequitting. i don't think you are heartless.still. ascribing human rights on the basis of cognitive development instead of maternal dependence is shaky ground and ill-defined. using perception as the basis to determine whether terminating their life is murder or not could easily be abused. whereas the position that human life is human life worthy of protection at all stages is consistent and objective. all the same, i do see your perspective, and i think its grounded in empathy to an extent. even if that empathy is lopsided.
>>23749949No. It's not about controlling women. It's about protection the innocent from controlling women.
>>23749954>still. ascribing human rights on the basis of cognitive development instead of maternal dependence is shaky ground and ill-defined.That's fine, I don't have any problem with people disagreeing with where I draw the line there and why. To me the heart of the issue is not legislating and forcing morality on people who largely don't agree with it.
>>23750034you shouldnt push your beliefs onto other peopleyou believe it's about controlling womens bodies i disagree
>>23750034>forcing moralityyou used that phrase again. like its an imposition to ask that women close their legs if they don't want to get pregnant. take another look at the sliced and diced baby anon posted itt and reconsider what "forcing morality" means when that is a legal practice. women are basically saying, "if my baby is dismembered in the womb, and i can't hear it scream, does it even make a sound?the compromise has always been reasonable. men are asking women to give up hedonistic sex.and women would rather kill their babies. that's the heart of the issue.
>>23750077they're obviously not old enough to comprehend a debate this entire thread they've been very "my way or no way" about this entire debate
>>23750066>you believe it's about controlling womens bodies i disagreeYou don't have to agree with me, I'm not forcing you into anything>like its an imposition to ask that women close their legs if they don't want to get pregnant. ...but still like this just reinforces my perception that this is more about trying to control women's sexuality than it is about the life of a fetus. There are lots of ways to have sex and not have a kid. There's nothing wrong with sex. When you decouple shame from sex you see this argument very differently.
>>23750105>i'm not forcing you into anything>24 posts about forcing people to side with your beliefs and anyone who disagrees is morally wrong and should be shamedso why don't they all just kill themselves then?if they do that then no one will have control over their body. it's the ultimate own
>>23750105when you decouple personal-responsibility from sex you see humans as unthinking beasts.there are a lot of ways to have sexual pleasure without intercourse. people that don't want children should pursue those options instead of throwing caution to the wind and using murder to get out of jail free.its really not much to ask.
>>23750115you see that's the biggest hole, they aren't being honest if that's actually what they wanted they could easily win the argument 10 fold because then the men in society would be rushing to appease them so they stop
>>23750115Trying to equate arguing for a viewpoint and forcing people to actually do things via legislation is a pretty feeble comparison>>23750119>when you decouple personal-responsibility from sexI'm not saying you shouldn't use good judgment, I'm saying I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with sex and that it's unrealistic to expect people to just stop doing it until they're ready to have kids.
cool, answer my question. If this is what they actually wanted and the answer is right in front of them that would shake the foundations of the structure that we have why aren't they doing it?
what question, you're just being incoherent
>>23750142>it's unrealistic to expect people to just stop doing it until they're ready to have kidsthe risk/benefit of unprotected sex changes drastically if abortion is off the table. if men knew that getting a girl pregnant meant fatherhood, i guarantee you they would start to prefer the french way.
buncha faggots>>23750155Fog ID
>>23750152>avoidance
>>23750155>the risk/benefit of unprotected sex changes drastically if abortion is off the tableYes, if you impose unnecessary disincentives on women via taking away their options it will punish them for having sex. Thank you for saying the quiet part loud.
>>23750162just admit you would rather kill your baby than give up dat ass and i'll leave the thread.
>>23750165>punish themit's as if taking away sex for pleasure is like...idk. killing them! do you hear yourself?
>>23750168headache-inducing antichrist nonsense babble
>>23750179GNOSIScaptch: std
>>23750179ok. then hide the thread if if hurts your booty so.if you slide it im gonna make another one.
>>23750173I mean, yes, attempting to force someone not to do something they enjoy just because it upsets you on some meaningless level is absolutely a punishment
>>23750193>more moral shaming because someone disagrees with you
>>23750193you are saying that women's orgasms are worth killing their babies.thanks for saying the quiet part out loud.
>>23750205No, I am saying that I don't consider abortion killing a baby under the circumstances I described and I think a lot of people are just pretending they do to force women not to have sex.
>>23750205>>23750217antichrist
>>23750224GNOSIS
>>23750226are you gnostic?
>>23750217if you cant imagine why someone would care to defend innocent and defenseless life, that kind of says it all. aim higher than what makes the gash feel good, anon.>>23750224one more pip out of you and im gonna make this thread again. the antichrist would want women murdering their babies btw.
>>23750236>the antichrist would want women murdering their babies btw.yeah i know
>>23750232no, i'm retarded
antichrist also enjoys when it's re-lived 10 trillion times by every man woman and child under some false pretense
objectivity training, like i said
>>23750236>if you cant imagine why someone would care to defend innocent and defenseless lifeI can, I just don't think it's actually the primary motive in most cases. You literally repeated my argument back to me as if it's a positive that disallowing abortions will stop women from having sex so I feel pretty validated in that belief.
>>23750237you are projecting. like the other anon, you can't imagine why someone would have compassion for the innocent and defenseless. you watched too much tv and think you are living in a handmaids tale. ill see you in the next thread, i s'pose.
dude i dont fucking care anymorethe issue if abortion has already been solved in ACTUAL first workd countries but the US wants to play voodoo magic and wonder "where the soul begins" shit thread with faggots who cant take people do disagree with them
>>23750250these threads do fucking nothing, none of your writing does anythinggo pick up a gun or wake up tomorrow and start a movement if it's so unbearable to you, otherwise just let the devil take the hindmost & relax online
>>23750247it won't stop them but it would make them consider their own accountability and yes that is a positive outcome and it should be uncontroversial. as you said, there are many other ways to get off without risking pregnancy and using murder to escape the consequences of their pleasure seeking.
shoving violation of the innocent & defenseless in your own face, objectivity training, is the worst of both options put together
>>23750254you can abort your posts and just hide the thread idiot.
>>23750259so why'd you make this >>23750250 post?
>>23750254if it was about body control then why don't they kill themselves?then no one can control their body and they died in control??
>>23750260because i know you are going to follow me around because you just can't help yourself.
>>23750264tortured by demons you cannot see or understand
>>23750255If you believe the only way to be sexually responsible is just to not have any sex yes I do think that's highly controversial and not something most people would agree with, aside from just me.
>>23750267G N O S I S>crip walks
>>23750265you do so much work but you don't even get paid in anything besides fleeting brain chemicals
>>23750264I don't think you're intellectually equipped to participate and I just want you to know that's why I'm not replying to you anymore
>>23750268you were standing on your own for a while and now you're putting up strawmen. lame.
>>23750272that's coming from the person who has been repeating themselves for the past 32 posts because you can't come up with a sound argument and ignore anything that actually makes sense
>>23750272>>23750274>>23750275possessed by brain chemicals
>>23750271what other currency is there
>>23750278JEWS
>>23750274Okay, so again, if you're okay with people having sex as long as it's done responsibly, why is the solution not an emphasis on contraception rather than abstaining?
>>23750280THE JEWS PUT CHEMICALS IN MY BRAINGET OUT OF MY GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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>>23750279well money & material possessions are more permanentit's kind of interesting how the reward of receiving money/wealth can be disconnected from the actual receivinggotta be careful these days
>>23750280>>23750283>>23750288jews put neurotransmitters in your head?are you telling me jews designed the human brain?
>>23750281you are trying to force me to think past the sale, which i refuse to do.the solution starts with an emphasis that innocent life is worth protecting and takes a priority over desire and pleasure. that is completely missing from anything you are bringing to the table. we can discuss the how after we find common ground on the why.
>>23750293the solution, the table, etc
antichrist
>>23750293and by "completely missing" i mean pro-choice people in general.. i think you are an outlier in that regard actually
>>23750292YES DUDE THE JEWS AND YAKUBTHEY PUT CHEMICALS IN MY BRAIN THAT TURNED THE FROGS GAY
the truth is you all have a problem with me "ruining the fun"the implications of that being the case for an abortion/gore thread should be obvious but they aren'tabsolute niggercattle
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>>23750293>the solution starts with an emphasis that innocent life is worth protectingSeems to me, again, that people having protected sex would protect a lot of innocent life from your perspective.
>>23750296can you enlighten me. i think you are trying to communicate something that is getting lost in transmission. be specific. what are you talking about? objectivity training? antichrist? write down what you mean to say, read it back a few times, edit it for coherence, and try again. im genuinely curious.
>>23750310can we save this pregnant man??
When you think about it, all fundamentalist Christtards should be pro-choice. I mean, if you give birth to a baby, there's a chance that the baby might grow up to be a sinner who goes to Hell. But, if you abort the baby, then the baby is guaranteed to go to Heaven since it won't have a chance to be a sinner. Abortion is the Christian™ way. Deus vult! Christ is King!
>>23750310anon, you can paint me however you want. i do think for the most part you have been engaging in good faith. but ultimately, im coming from a place of wanting fewer abortions to occur. that's all. are you really taking the opposite position? that people should have as much sex as they want and as many abortions as they like? i don't think so, but you leave room for doubt.
>>23750327you posted cat gore and cannot be forgiven or engaged with.
>>23750333are you sure it's the same guy?
>>23750315my point is it's just entertainment & drama
>>23750330>im coming from a place of wanting fewer abortions to occur.I also want fewer abortions to occur. I think it was Bill Clinton who said that they should be legal, safe, and rare, and I agree with that. I just think that abortion should remain an option for people in bad situations who want to make that choice, and it should be reduced as much as possible through education and access to contraception.
ignoring me isn't gonna stop me from shitting up the thread. You guys have been going in a circle all fucking day
>>23750356>You guys have been going in a circle all fucking dayever notice how it always goes that way & you can't do anything to change it, no matter how hard you try?
CAN SUCH A MAN SAY THAT THERE IS NO MALIGN THING SET AGAINST HIM?!?!?
>>23750346fair enough. i could nitpick but i don't want to go into the economics. i think we understand each other. thanks for the brain chemicals. hope have a good weekend.
>>23750364Likewise, I appreciate your perspective and think you've engaged in good faith even if we don't agree.
>>23750359yeah that's why i gave up and started shit posting.like I said a few posts ago >>53VMY48just gets hyper offended when you don't whole heartedly agree with xir. they're fucking retarded and probably aren't old enough to be using this website any time someone made any coherent argument they'd just ignore it and reiterate some tried and not fucking true feminist spiel about body control
>>23750368oh look i typed the id wrongwho cares
>>23750368>>23750370you’re so embarrassing
>>23750375>takes this website seriously
His complaint, that a man's life is no bargain, masks the actual case with him, which is that man will not do as he wishes them to. Have never done, never will do!That's the way of things with him!And his life is so balked about by difficulty, and become so altered of its intended architecture, that he is little more than a walking hovel, barely fit to house the human spirit at all.Can such a man say that there is no malign thing set against him?That there is no power and no force and no cause?What manner of heretic could doubt agency, and claim it alike?Can he believe that the wreckage of his existence is un-entailed? No liens, no creditors?
>>23750377idk you’re pretty visibly butthurt over not being taken seriously in this thread
>>23750381that's all you dude
>>23747360Kek
>>23750375Better than being an objectively morally bankrupt abomination
>>23750346I dont think murdering defenseless unborn children because they are an inconvenience to you is acceptable.It doesn't happen randomly. There is a very specific set of actions involved. It's called sex, I figure you don't know what that is given your obtuse strawman arguments.Babies do not just appear. You have sex, and you can get pregnant.This is simple logic. Very, very simple for someone as simple as you. There are two roads.Road 1:>You have unprotected sex>You possibly end up having to murder your own child as a resultRoad 2: >Don't have unprotected sex>Potentially have to murder your own unborn childIt's not complicated. Stop.
Please don't start with the rape and mother's life being at risk argumentsThat's less than 1% of abortions.Regardless. I know a young woman. She had a troubled early life.She was a product of rape. Her mother did not hold her as a baby and neglected her. While she did continue to raise her and provided her a standard of care. The state did not intervene as a result, though most would probably argue they should have. Based on what she told me.I thought she was hellbound, no hope for her whatsoever. She was addicted to all kinds of drugs. She partied every night. I remember going to her house with a bunch of friends, and she was so fucked up on amphetamines she had entered a full-blown psychosis. She was crawling all over the floor picking up lint and hair and whatever else and putting it in a bag. She thought it was all meth.She ended up pregnant. She did not choose to abort. Somewhere in that time, she managed to stop using. She cleaned up, and she is now a respected professional in her field. She is a great mother to two happy children and has a devoted husband of whom she is also devoted to.She ended the cycle of abuse. She was able to see that this life she created was more than her, what it meant. Maybe it was a result of what she went through. I don't know. The point is, she understood the gravity of what was happening and she made the changes she needed to make. This is not a common story, of course. Life is sacred. If a meth abusing drug addicted party girl who is drunk most of the time can see that with clarity, why can't you?
>>23752261>>23752211it's almost like they're too young to form their own opinion on the subject matter and went in a massive circle repeating themselves all day
>>23747675ehehe
>>23754061Wtf is your problem You have this savior complex regarding bant but you're ruining it, not saving it
>>23754076Why? Why do you think you deserve to do that you faggot
>>23754095You're the most retarded faggot here Implementing the rules of xitter or reddit or wherever you come from here
>>23754106>Implementing the rules of xitter or redditthe opposite actuallythose places love psyops, this thread is an example of colonization from those sites
i let them get their discourse nut offthe thread has concluded, and if this site weren't crawling with bad faith actors it would've been slid naturally 24 hours ago
>>23754112>the opposite actuallyNo, not actually I'm not saying you're trying to implement the posts of twitter or reddit here. I said rules
>>23754124what do you think their rules are?i don't give a fuck about what they say the rules are, i'm talking about what is enforcedbecause it seems obvious they only allow psyop slop, pretty much
you are only hastening the next thread.you couldve hidden it but u chose toembolden
I understand why you do this You always try to be special and different and coolLike when you were saying "oh I need to write a script for x' and ' oh I need to find a way so that the deleted ghost posts are also archived' meanwhile in reality it took you hrs to figure out what a ghost post was and how to make one You think you're special and schizo esque, like how every other fag that spams terry davis images thinks And in order to keep believing in this delusion that youre literally heckin terry davis you do shit like this because you can't do any of the things you say you're gonna do. You're just a performative delusional pathetic fag in reality
>>23754154there is truth to thatdoesn't change how dogshit these threads are, though
see you in the next one chudetteif these threads save even a single babyfrom getting murderedit will have been worth the effort
>>23754156>if these threads save even a single baby>from getting murdered>it will have been worth the effortthey won't, but i can understand the rationalization
>>23754155The entire thing is true >>23754156Fetuses aren't babies Pregnancy termination should always be legal
how comfy & easy it is to get worked up over things beamed into your headyou ever think about it?it's better to relax and save your energy
>>23754163no it isn't, it's embellishedbut the point is true
>>23754164Take your own advice retard lmao
>>23754160>they wontu cant know that
>>23754166Mm no, the entire thing is true You are what you hate the most, you're just s performative normalfag who thinks he's different and smart while having done nothing to prove how smart he is, infact all he does is showing how retarded he is Go back to fucking reddit or something
>>23754163im not discussing the sanctity of life with indians while 300k indian children die of diarrheal illness annually. we are not the same.
>>23754174>we are not the same.Oh yeah the super funny meme Black man standing with text "we are not the same" above his head So funny LOLL
>>23754176300k is a real figure
not so funny. im certainly not laughing. imagaine that. le white man from america has more empathy for indian children than indians do.
Fetuses aren't babies and do not have the same moral worth.
>>23754284why do you think thatwho are you to decide who has moral worthinessthink about it. collect your thoughts for the next thread.
HE LOST KILL YOURSELF LOSER
>>23756449300k kids every year.thats over 1600 since the thread started.it grts worse. even when adjusted for population, indian murder their unborn babies at over 4x the rate of western countries.around 15 million indian unborn babies are murdered each year. thats nearly 100k babies murdered since this thread began.remember this the next time you encounter an indian person.
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>>23756873unfortunately many such cases. these women taught to expect that they are terminating an innocuous clump of cells when in fact they are killing a developing unborn baby. educating women on human development is needed to combat their programming that abortion “is not murder.”also, thank you to the mod that removed the posts attempting to slide the thread. i appreciate you.
>>23756861Fetuses, not kids Fetuses with some physical problems, down syndrome, rapebabies, etc etc
>>23756930read the thread. this was already addressed. those are fringe cases that represent 1-4% of abortions. i havent looked into the specific breakdown for the 15 MILLION annual indian abortions, but in the US the majority of unborn babies are murdered for “convenience”given your tone and your birthplace, i dont expect you to understand. to you, life is expendable and cheap. if i had been raised in your country, steeped in your culture, taught your religion, and worshipped your gods, i would probably turn out just like you. so dont take it personally.
>>23757003Man shut up Nothing you say will make me feel anything for a fetus I'm gonna go sponser 5 million abortions now
>>23757028just hide the thread stop taking it personally. you could focus on improving the living conditions for the people you do care about, if there are any? 300,000 children die annually due to poor sanitation in india. so maybe you dont want more babies to be born into a life of suffering, i could understand that rationality. more likely you dont give a damn about those kids either, though.
>>23756930>physical problems, down syndrome, rapebabies, etc etcbro you don't have to put yourself down like that
>>23756873it's depressing that people itt will just believe this completely without critical thought when it's actually really obvious ragebait
>>23758654whether that specific story is true or not is besides the point. if women had to see their baby's form before murdering it they would largely reconsider. "a clump of cells" is a false characterization intentionally deisgned to deceive women into thinking their babies are something less than human, something less than their own offspring.
>>23758687A clump of cells isn't a human being
>>23754466>who are you to decide who has moral worthinessWho are you to decide who has moral worthiness?
>>23758765says you. your argument hinges on dehumanizing the innocent and offenseless.a human life is always worthy of the right to live, at all points of development. anything other metric assigns human rights arbitrarily and cannot hold up to scrutiny.
>>23758765>isn't a human beingneither are women but you don't see me complaining
>>23758798>at all points of development.This isn't a human being
>>23758810You're really not helping your case that the anti-abortion movement isn't just about misogyny.
>>23758798And neither ar these
>>23758827>>23758849They are all human lives. Human beings. You are implying a distinction between between human lives and human beings.You need to establish the basis of that discernment.Stop dodging the essential question. If not at conception, then at what stage of development are humans conferred the right to life? What is the metric?
>>23758830>anti-abortionI prefer anti-murder. "Pro-life" doesn't land as hard.
>>23758894>They are all human lives. Human beings.>You need to establish the basis of that discernment.Actually it sounds like you need to do that because these >>23758849 are dolphins retard https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Dolphin_Development#References
>>23759193You implied they were human. My point stands. Answer the question.
>>23759229Why should I try to rationalize with a sub 60 iq retard who can't tell the difference between a dolphin and a human?
>>23759309You're unable to answer my question?Cheap tricks aren't gonna cut it.
>>23759335That's ironic
>>23759596I've made my case. You are unwilling to make yours.
>>23759607You haven't made any case at all
>>23759607>erm you're hecking stoopid therefore i win
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dzDXHxeG-S0The whole thread is dishonest by the way. You don't care about human well being you are just another souless grifter.
>>23759794ive made it clear that i believe life begins at conception. and that human life is a human being, entitled to human rights.you aren’t capable or willing to argue against that assertion in any meaningful way. i understand why you’d avoid doing so because whatever alternative metric you offer for deciding which human lives matter cannot hold up to scrutiny.
>>23759865>life begins at conceptionNo it doesn't. That is objectively not a human being.
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>>23759920when does it become a human being then?
>>23759929>i'm losing so let me slidethis is why you're trans
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you can try to slide the thread, but you can’t kill it. i’ll make another. and another.i only need to prevent a single expecting mother from killing her baby for this effort to be well worth the time.i might even start a general who knows?how about /ekg/ end killing general? open to suggestions.
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>>23759969I will never get pregnant because I will never have sex, but, if I were pregnant, this thread would make me want to have an abortion. I sincerely wish for the death of Abrahamic religion and all of its followers. Fuck your Jesus and fuck your fake concern for fetuses when all you really care about is controlling women's bodies.
>>23759969>prevent a single expecting mother from killing her non-sentient zygoteOn 4chan.org/bant/? Really? You have nothing of value to say.
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>>23759986i didn’t bring up Jesus Christ once the entire thread. i don’t need a religious argument to make my case. it can stand on its own two secular legs.>>23759987next time just hide the thread and don’t take it so personally
>>23760014>it can stand on its own two secular legs.For someone to consider a zygote to be a human being you have to invoke magic.
>>23760025you do not. you just need to accept that a human life, no matter how small, has value and is worthy of human rights. it’s not hard.you can’t answer my question about when a human life becomes a human being. why? because you don’t really even believe there is a distinction, and it makes you uncomfortable. so you dehumanize human life in its smallest form as something less than human. “a clump of cells” etc. its intellectually lazy and it’s obviously wrong.
>>23760050A zygote does not think or feel or anything. It isn't a human being it IS a clump of cells that is what it is.
>>23760074ok. so finish your answer. when does it become a human being entitled to human rights? this is the third time i’ve asked you. the last time you crashed out and chose to slide the thread.
i’m going to sleep now if the thread gets pruned i’ll make another when i can unless someone bakes. i know i have some allies itt.this was a good test run for a new serial, /ekg/ end killing generalopen to alternative names its the message that matters
>>23760093Human life beginning at conception requires believing something supernatural happens the instance a sperm fertilizes an egg, otherwise the crust in your boxer shorts is a million murders.
>>23760093Well we know for sure that a zygote isn't a human being so your claim is disproven.
>>23760111>>23760127if an organism has human dna its a human life. and human lives are human beings. and humans have human rights.goodnight /ekg/
>>23760144>if an organism has human dna its a human lifeOkay every sperm and skin flake you expel has human rights now., cool ethical system.
>>23760153sperm and skin flakes are not organisms.you are playing dumb.save your responses for the next thread i wont be reading them. night!
