Existing doesn't make sense. I was born to suffer. I don't have what I want. I'm obligated to do things I don't want. Stop with the cliché. Living doesn't make sense. When I die, nothing will happen. I'll never have the body I want because reincarnation isn't real. Sorry, guys, but I realized living is meaningless.
>>23805507why do you make so many of these threads, anon?what does it accomplish?why do other people need to know these things?i'm not saying don't make them, i'm asking
>>23805511i want someone to agree with me and who understands me.
>>23805515If nothing matters why don't we kill ourselves? There's that, an immutable and bulletproof counter-argumentWhat is more likely is that the toxic chemicals we get in our bodies are making us depressed and neurotic
>>23805515i see>>23805507well you have SOME control, at leastyou can certainly claw your way to a point where you aren't obligated to do things you don't want toyou can get the things you want
>>23805507please stop trying to romanticize your depression like a faggot. at the very least embrace absurdism
>>23805547i'm not romanticizing anything. I'm using anime images to illustrate what i think.
Prove it nigga (u can't)Either or is just as likely
Simply being able to question the meaning implies that you are able to ascribe meaning to it yourself. There doesnt need to be an external driver because all the tools to do so are already within.If life is so meaningless just go kill yourself right now. Right now. Go and do it ,(u won't and u shouldn't).
>>23805592>If life is so meaningless just go kill yourself right now.I don't have the guts, what if I don't get reincarnated into a blonde and blue-eyed boy.
>>23805547there may actually be some specific problem which makes him hate his life, but we'll never know what it is since he won't talk about it, and only attributes everything to not being whiteit's incredibly frustratingbut yeah absurdism is based, if your problem is being face to face with nihilismi don't think that's actually his problem, but maybe
>>23805507absurdism is better
>>23805605>attributes everything to not being white>it's incredibly frustratingUr right, I'm not considered white by you because I don't have blue eyes, blonde hair, and a skin white to that of a northern european. that makes me frustrated because i don't like being considered inferior. ur right.
>>23805622Brown scum
>>23805627he's just some kid
>>23805629Jungle monkey up for the cosmic slaughter after a life of harvesting beans
>>23805634he lives in a nice house with a hardwood floor, posts anxiously on 4chan & likes animehe hasn't picked beans or done anything with his life yetyou're a fucking moron
>>23805627i don't need someone to affirm again something i'm not, which is not being white. Anyways, I'm olive-skinned, my arm is white because i'm not showing my Mediterranean ugly face Anyways, I'm have had it enough, I wanna die.
>>23805507>Existing doesn't make sense.Nothing will ever make complete and perfect sense in a universe of flux. 10000 years ago, the best cat was a tiger; today, the best cat is still orange but it's fat, cuddly, and extremely autistic; seemingly nonsensical, however, the conditions that led up to the housecat make sense in their own closed circle.>I was born to suffer. I don't have what I want.Yes. Regrettably, we were all born to suffer; to feel pain; to lament with the weight of our whole hearts; to desire and lose are two sides of the same thorned coin. You can choose whether or not your suffering has meaning, however. We were also born to see the stars and world in all their glory; to enjoy a week of relaxation after a successful hunt; to adore and love each other. I lament for you anon, that you might not have what you want, as well as the pain you're enduring in life now; if it helps you feel any consolation, though, I want you to know that I love you. I say this with my entire heart: I love you, because I wanted to spend time with and talk with you. Thank you for giving all of us the gift of your presence, in spite of not having what you want.>I'm obligated to do things I don't want.Also, as are we all. For now, the weight may feel unbearable; there's a chance you may never be able to drop that weight; instead of receiving lighter loads, I see within you, a man who's grown strong enough to carry the weight he was given; one day, you may be relieved of that weight; one day, you may want to shoulder the burdens of others. I believe in you anon!>Sorry, guys, but I realized living is meaningless.Right now, we can only really determine that existence may be meaningless; there's a chance for meaning with an equal chance for existence to be meaninglessness. Life though, technically has a purpose and meaning; the purpose of life is to grow; life's meaning, though, is a mathematical function with many different answers, including undefined, like nihilism.
Some men pursue wealth, others pursue pleasure, others still pursue understanding and achievement. Some pursue nothing at all.The value of any given thing to an individual comes from within the individual themself.You as an individual are a system within a system within a system within a system etc etc.Existence is just a vast web of systems exerting their own influence over other systems, as they are being influenced by other systems. It's the way everything works.Right now you're being influenced, and not to your benefit. There is almost nothing to gain and there is no way to verify the questions you are claiming objective answers to. You don't have the wider picture to make that kind of call. No human being does. That's why it has been a point of thought for everyone from scientists to philosophers. The fact none of these minds have come to definitively explain it suggests that your suggestion that existence is meaningless and simply ends at death is entirely conjecture. Just as is my supposition that it isn't meaningless. Because we aren't equipped to answer these questions because we are so far nested into the systems which influence us that we can't even fathom their function.
>>23805651The big thing, though (sorry because I'm getting into semantics), is that meaning is distinct from purpose. You can assign something a value, however, you cannot assign it a meaning by itself; the meaning is the moral of a person's story; what does the picture mean when one changes their scope to the entire painting?For me, the meaning isn't necessarily being good or being perfect; meaning is made from engaging with the universe, with life, with other people, even engaging with ourselves, fully. Take no half-measures, otherwise, you betray yourself.
>>23805651POSIWID
>>23805645I must have got you get off the village computers and stop stealing photos from your Australian friends BoiolinhaI've seen Mexicans lighter than you, now show me your inbred closely kept olive mutt skin. Afraid to inherit anything but some cokney offspring of hill hurt niggers that worship deer. You make me sick black sheep freak I hope you got bullied so hard not even the uncrusted shit on my ass as i wipe it can measure up to your late night looks into your boys eyes playing this off as a joke.. but you're gay man, and something's wrong to be this level of freadiun like so deeply in the closet it's part of your niche. I knew a guy like you, he fucked a dude in the butt last year for the first time. You can act cool internet man but I'm Indian bro id say this to your face ir you really get me i made some grown man cry you'd shift uncomfortably with your hair either a crew cut (closet) or very long (soft metal head but "self aware" and not gay (most importantly) Just go do the splits on someone already. You love when we flirt, if you didn't read this I'll fuck you up you're too small to be a viking
>>23805507>everything is le bad woe is me>le life is meaningless>but also take me seriously as a person and please value my opinions. LOL!
>>23805675meaning is distinct from purpose, but as it pertains to reality, the purpose would be the actualisation of the meaning, no?meaning -> praxis (purpose) -> telos
>>23805687He's begging for someone to throw him a line; he's reaching and flailing, however, he has nothing to hold onto.
>>23805695Actualisation is a scam for rich people to scan other rich people into thinking they get more monkey pleasures Just be the funniest version of yourself and things seem to work outNeigbor girl I've never met randomly brought me a Christmas gift . I'll even show you the card if you don't believe me, your happiness is paramount. Learn that everyone is shit even your mother, now love them u conditionally cole world blah blah and fuck the rest most people WONT ALIKE YOU act accordingly this is all cookie cutter knowledge and why I hate "self actualisation" and most big words unless used to keep on self clad of the little bit of cainnite we all have but love to sag were able because in old now FUCK YOU. JOIN SCITOLOGY.
>>23805695I want to say that meaning is how an entire system works with one another (in an ecosystem of whatever your choice of scope is). My belief is that meaning is how everything interconnects with one another, as well as the relationships they create with one another; meaning can't exist in a vacuum. Praxis, though, is not the purpose; praxis is the process; the telos is the purpose. Of course I may be wrong or you may disagree on any of these points, however, I felt like I owed you my two pence.
>>23805715She might think I'm retarded though idk hugged her drunk when I was having a pretty good time with family I bet that's more than most of you married or bastards get on any day and I'm schizophrenic getting on disability I'm not even in school yet I'm already crushing what are you doing playa
>>23805722disagreement is good, and you do owe me your two penceI see the meaning more as the initial thesis and raison d'être>the telos is the purposeI agree with you, but to be more pedantic about the wording, I think the *realisation* of the telos is the purposeso purpose existing antecedent the telos, but consequent to the meaningpurpose as praxis of meaning, to achieve the telosthat's the reason I'm conflating praxis and purpose—they just appear to be the same thing, viewed alternately from the initial and final perspectives:from the telic perspective, we retroactively see that the purpose of everything was to reach this pointfrom the perspective of the initial state of abstract meaning alone, we proactively see the praxis of the meaning—we're going to instantiate itfrom these two perspective, it really looks like the same objectdid that make any sense, or just confused rambling?
>>23805842>>23805725>>23805722>>23805715>>23805696>>23805695>>23805687fuck you, you retards. the thread wasn't about you and your miserable lives, you faggot shit, kill yourselves.
>>23805851get a job
>>23805507OP, can you answer my question from another thread? https://archive.palanq.win/bant/thread/23792680/#q23792787>Existing doesn't make senseYes it doesn't, it's what it's.
>>23805851they're talking about nihilism, anonyou brought it upthey're trying to help
>>23805851>the thread wasn't about you and your miserable liveswhat is it about?
>>23805851it was about you wanting to wallow in a self-serving nihilism, with other people showing up only to act as props to validate your delusions, without you really having to engage with them?your life is empty of meaning, so you imagine reality to be? and you imagine my life to be miserable, because yours is?that looks suspiciously like a lack of empathy
>>23805687OP isn't wrong at all, though
>>23805842>did that make any sense, or just confused rambling?In my opinion, you weren't rambling.>so purpose existing antecedent the telos, but consequent to the meaning>purpose as praxis of meaning, to achieve the telosExactly; the purpose of the system is to let the system play out with minimal interference. Purpose is the goal, telos is the result.>that's the reason I'm conflating praxis and purpose—they just appear to be the same thingViewing the earth from orbit, everything it holds appears to be the same thing; zoom in and you'll see many different different ecologies; purpose and praxis are heavily interconnected, however, they're different steps in the entire process. In socratic philosophy, before going into a debate, it's important to have a dialogue so that definitions and intentions can be worked out; the debate allows us to both grow and learn from each other's love of wisdom.>I see the meaning more as the initial thesis and raison d'êtreWould that not make my meaning of meaning an extension of your meaning of meaning? Did the initial thesis not mean for things to play out this way? Is our (at least a minor piece of our) raison d'être not to engage with each other right now?We can find the reasons explaining what lead up to our conversation now, although, we might not find all within either of our lifetimes.
Retards with a grade school understanding of philosophy: le heckin nihilism means crying and not doing anything because it's all pointlessActual nihilists: nothing except what I give worth matters so that's a good reason to do whatever I want to
>>23805961neither of those is right
i mean they're both different from nihilism
le nihilniggers have all arrive
>>23805507No it makes you look like a 14 year old whose trying to be deep
>>23805977eheh
>>23805942he's absolutely wrong in his claims that his nihilism is the philosophy closest to the truth, given he argues "nothing has any inherent purpose or meaning" from an empiric-materialist perspectiveto make clear the error: he looks only at matter, and then concludes that matter is all there is
>>23805949interference from what?
>>23805988Interference from either an outside system such as God or interference from nothing; if there were to interference, the laws of physics or history could be subject to change; the meaning itself will have become subject to incoherence. There would be no normality whatsoever, not even the temporary islands of normality in which we find ourselves now—picrel.
>>23806078Too much interference*In other words, it just works.
>>23806078I'm not sure I can agree with the notion of God as a system external to reality—it introduces far too many contradictions, as compared to something like a panentheistic view—or indeed the ability for nothing to interfere with somethingso as to not turn this into a theological discussion, how do you justify the latter?
i hate you christianchuds. GOD IS DEAD BECAUSE YOU KILLED IT/HIM/HER/THEM.
>>23806119it's true that you can do anything with your life, like normie said
>>23806124I HATE WOMEN. THEY DON'T WANT ME! NO BLONDE GIRLS WANT ME!
>>23806133which ones hate you?how many have you met or talked to?fucking answer me
>>23806104>God as a system external to reality—it introduces far too many contradictionsWhen it comes to factoring in God, it also depends on how one defines God, however, that's a completely different can of philosophical worms lol. Related, but you're right: it isn't what we're actually focused on now; God is just one potential stipulation.>so as to not turn this into a theological discussion, how do you justify the latter?To be fair, I don't believe that nothing can actually interfere with something, let alone interfere enough to change the entire laws of physics of something, however, nothing could be changing everything that follows the big bang constantly; accounting for the potential of quantum foam time or retrocausality, we could just technically be inert matter hallucinating coherence and consciousness. I can't quite justify it, however, I won't discount either, until definitively proven right or wrong.
>>23806142-_-
>>23806141i don't know how to say "Girl, I want to date you."
