So I thought I'd just make a thread for all the things I know about Cirno's origin and interesting coincidences.- In 1958, Sergio Cirno Bissi painted "Female portrait in 18th-century costume". The girl in the portrait had light blue hair: https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/100799957- In 1978, YMO released the song "Yellow Magic". The song in the following video sounds very similar to Cirno's theme at 29 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3DSwl3gMTc&t=39s- In 1982, Kunihiko Mitamura released the song "Omoide No Itoguruma". The part that sounds like Cirno's song starts at 23 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re0K9dqGt9Y&t=23s- In 1989, Orup released the song "Min mor sa till mej". In it, it talks about a "blue-eyed idiot". The song also contains a portion that sounds like Cirno's theme at 2:27: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfH5usYFxSo&t=2m27s- In a 1996 Gamest interview, artwork was shown of Marisu and Teresu. The pattern of Marisu's dress might have inspired Cirno's dress.- In 1998, ZUN introduced a blue-haired girl named Mai, a character in Touhou: Mystic Square for the PC-98. She is found in the frozen fields within Makai. Her theme song and icy theme could be a reference to the ninth circle of Hell in the Divine Comedy (circle 9).- Volume 4 of Sarai was released in 2001 and introduced the character "チルノ" (name only). Volume 6 came out shortly later in 2001 and showed the Cirno character for the first time. Cirno's original name was supposed to be "チルド" (Chirudo), but for whatever reason ZUN changed the ド to a ノ. Cirno's personality and association with being a "baka" was likely inspired by the Cirno character in Sarai.If I'm missing anything, feel free to comment!
>>23965679I always thought Cirno's dress was a reference to the shinsengumi uniform pattern and how it occasionally gets used for kites on Childrens' Day. Still, nice find on Cirno's naming origins; didn't know it was Italian.
>>23966586Considering there are three music themes that sound like Cirno's theme, I don't see any reason for exclusivity. Maybe Marisu's dress was also inspired by the Shinsengumi uniform with its pattern, or maybe it draws inspiration from Tinkerbell as she also has that kind of pattern.I do wonder though. The Shinsengumi were commissioned by the Bakufu, so maybe calling Cirno a "baka" is some kind of complex Japanese pun calling her someone dispatched from the shadows that is stupid. The rabbit hole continues to go deeper.
>>23968302>Cirno the bakage>>23966586>almost Eureka ID
>>23968302I just think ZUN liked the pattern, though I do wonder what its symbolism is on its own; to me, the white triangles on blue always felt like they represented mountains?
kill yourselves you agp freaks
I feel like one of these days, I'm going to find some character from pre-1990 who has the exact Cirno outfit.
>>23984790Wrong thread?
>>23987950Maybe...
Found something from December 1977. Icemaiden had lots of redesigns over the next 20 years, many of them with that same "triangle mountain" pattern on her outfit. I suppose they also could have been copying the shinsengumi uniform.
>>23965679world's first and last Cirno scholar
>>23965679So I just did some more research, and apparently, that painting by Sergio Cirno Bissi didn't even show up on the internet until January 31st, 2026. It appears the middle name was a misspelling and it's actually "Cirino" which makes a lot more sense as Cirino is a name used in Italy.
>>23965679>Cirno's original name was supposed to be "チルド" (Chirudo), but for whatever reason ZUN changed the ド to a ノ.
>>23990093There is another
Why does every thread on this board feature this character I'm genuinely confused
At first, I thought this was a "baka" reference by the person who wrote the script for TTYD. As it turns out, the "BA-KAK" is most likely referencing the Ballistic Advantage (BA) barrel and the KAK Industry barrel, both barrels used for shooting things, and in this scene, the bomb-ombs are talking about shooting things with cannons....and then I did more research, and BA came out in 2008 and KAK came out in 2011.Just how many rabbit holes have I plunged myself down this time?
>>23965679To understand the basis of Cirno, we need to first understand the basis of ZUN.
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>>23965679Fascinating.
>>23965679>Sarai
>>23965679I didn't know that.
