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>>24135573
No serious researcher uses the term incel.

>fatalistic worldview, institutional distrust, and extreme misogyny
Based.

Asian massage therapy helps

>>24135573
implying I woke up one day and decided I was an incel rather than a naive child who thought he was like everybody else and ended bullied my whole life for being ugly and later short. That's some straight up evil gaslighting and how you create mass shootings.
t. 36 years old wizard with far more than a "fatalistic worldview"

>>24135574
that shit has a DOI number
that shit was published in a IF = 3.0 journal and that's in psychology that doesn't get high IF
and it isn't a MDPI journal
so it is pretty serious

I've never been banned for making fun of trannies. But I've been banned dozens of times for criticizing foids.

>>24135576
Based gandalf

>>530942704
>Incels all have atleast some kind of spark, a hobby, even if its just gaming and getting good at it.
More precisely: that literally is necessary for survival, but it's important to not lie to yourself, to compensate or procrastinate, but to actually embrace something that's genuinely satisfying.
It's not an assumption I am making by any means, but something every incel must realise.
If they already did: very good.
I already mentioned before that most eventually get to this point, the sooner the better. It's the only real "therapy".

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Has there ever been a more foolish thrust than talk therapy? Like attempting to kill a tornado with arrows, harnessing language to combat psychological rifts consequent from language pours fuel upon the fire and effect becomes cause and cause becomes effect and thousands of hours and thousands of dollars poured into the pure cotton pockets of reptoid psychologists psychiatrist tricknologists and semitic skinscrapers with nothing more than a bag of words labelled victimhood and a world that has done you wrong ... more can be accomplished with single 10km walk than one hundred "talk therapy" mind raping session with diabolic therapist.

>>24135573
It's almost like the problem lies within society and not with the individual

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>>24135573
Therapy doesn't help incels because therapy as it is helps only in problems caused by psychological delusions or trauma caused by situation from past that doesn't happen anymore in patient's life.

Incel problem doesn't fit neither situation, incel is a man with real problem and it wont go away untill solved. Changing way of think wont make real problems go away. The only way to get rid of problem is to solve it and therapy wont solve incel problem therefore therapy wont help incels.
The way to help incels is to give them real companionship but the problem is no woman will be willing to even try to get into relationship with incel by herself and especially no woman will give a wholesome and supportive companionship to incel. And for now it is not possible to force women to do that.


The only working solution that comes in my mind is to make artificial women that will give incels wholesome and supportive companionship.
The closest thing will be "Robowaifus", but then later when we will be able to create genetically modified lifeforms we can even make "Catgirls" to give to incels.
I am sure that this will actually solve incel problems and fix many incels.

>>24135576
lmao, tiny ugly freak
and french as well
dear god

Most normie advice:
>Just get into a jestercuck relationship where you stress yourself to entertain the foid while she provides absolutely nothing to you

At most you get to experience "sex" which isnt real sex, because real sex produces children. Rather its fucking a plastic bag or otherwise assisted masturbation. Even if you manage to reproduce the foid will kill your baby with abortion. And youre paying for all of it

>>24135582
you mean white european society

Personality doesn't matter at all. It's all face and height. Chads locked up in psych ward fuck the female nurses all the time.

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>>24135573

Why do you keep reposting this thread? Will it make anti semitism go away if you post hard enough?

>>24135586
Low tier ragebait, fuck off memeflaggot kike

>>24135584
could be worse, I could come from a country which name literally means lower country

>>Regardless of their affiliation with the incel community, men who involuntarily undergo adult virginity experience a range of adverse psychosocial consequences, in terms of subjective wellbeing, self-esteem, anxiety, social adjustment, or sexual behavior (for a review, see Stijelja & Mishara, Citation2023). Given recent sociodemographic trends, such patients will become more common, warranting increased attention from both psychology researchers and clinical practitioners.
how they can say this and not realize this truth invalidates their entire premise that incels need therapy to overcome being incels

they admit there are men, who arent even in the "incel community", who involuntarily undergo adult virginity experience, due in part to "recent sociodemographic trends". of course they don't dare mention what those sociodemographic trends are because if they did they would sound like incels

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>>24135575
Unironically yes.
Best study on incels Love Shyness by Gilmartin >>24135592 confirms

>>24135581
>>24135582
Amen double SA posters

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fuck it just go to hookers. all women are whores so you may as well deal with the ones that are honest about it instead of having to play all these unwinnable social games.

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>just talk to people
that will not get you laid if women just aren't interested in you. you can talk to them, for hours even, they will show no signs of interest, no cues of attraction, because they're not into you. none of them are.

its very simple, being an incel isnt an ideology. and it doesnt necessarily mean you did everything wrong or didnt try. sometimes it just means that women do not find you attractive or you cannot find a woman that finds you attractive.

why is this so hard for some to understand?

>>24135587
There were cases where attention seeking foids (actual ones) went into incel discord groups and literally pulled the 1-2 attractive guys present there out of them by their dicks

>>24135597
Talking to people is bluepilled "advice" that only works for chads

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>>24135590
I can see why you got bullied if this is the best comeback you could muster up. Its not even an insult lad.
Besides, the Nether is fucking cool.
THE NETHER!

I almost feel bad for calling you short and ugly.

>>24135597
I think this online rating shit is like catnip to women, back int the day like mid 2000s me and my friend made a viehu profile just to see how our fellow "comerades" would react well, i kinda can understand them.

>>24135573
> (2) conspiracy theories framing therapy as designed to sedate and control; (3) view of therapy as female-biased and hostile to men;
Based! Im so proud of you boyos

>>24135601
From a more logical perspective if women dont find men attractive or only a few of them cow come so many have sex with them?

My dad died 5 years ago, my mom had a stroke and needs constant care. My two chad brothers fucked off and wanted to send her to a hospice to die, I said no and I am taking care of her.
It makes me really depressed and I decided to try out a memelogist.

First was just chatting on her mobile, I said fuck off.

Second asked me what am I doing in my free time. I said I watch videos. She asked me what kind of videos. I said funny videos, or videos where they help people, or they receive gifts. She told me that I am watching these because I miss it from my life. I said bye

Third and last one told me my brothers are right and I should let my mom die in a hospice.

Therapists cant help you. They are there for normies who think they are having a problem.

>>24135603
it is eugenic. High IQ isnt a genetic advantage

>>24135600
In south america and asia i m kinda tall.

>>24135573
Therapy doesn't work for any actual problem so everyone who gets therapy unironically / not for gibs is using it for fake problems. It would literally be like
>Born with fucked up facial bones or disabled or extremely short etc etc
>"ERRRM have u tried breathing deeply?"
Lol

>>24135606
well, you technically got me there. if anything intelligence is a major disadvantage.

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>We tried to push a narrative in a clinical setting identical to the narrative that created this problem.
>Why did the results not change? We did it in a clinical setting. That should be enough The Science to make the magic happen.

>>24135591
Therapy really is more about coping, like it won't unrape some whore foid. It doesn't and can't change anything substantial beyond helping people adjust their behaviour, perception and attitude, meaning it's mostly a form of assistance, since people have to change that themselves.
That's why it's centered on exploration, explanation and exercise.
Now obviously this hinges on people's own introspection, something that normies lack. Doesn't mean introspective people don't need it, because they're not immune to making wrong assumptions or running away from the issue, and instead will benefit more quickly, because the therapist doesn't have to question them about everything endlessly, if they're willing and able to think for themselves, meaning the answers are arrived at more quickly.
It's a challenge however in that a poor therapist will easily be overloaded by a highly introspective, perceptive or intelligent person.
There's also a chance, especially if therapy starts late, that the introspective person already came to some of the conclusions the therapist might provide to normies, but even if reduced purely to encouraging people to think about the matter they can be useful, especially if the incel problem overlaps with other psychiatric issues, which is entirely common.

>>24135596
true! if u gonna get married, just pick either a virgin or a cheap prostitute. The prostitute will at least be down to earth and not think shes better than other women. The avg woman is arrogant and thinks shes better than the prostitute but they're the same shit

>>24135604
Women's nature has not changed, but circumstances have. 25 years ago you could ask the teens at a local high school who they find attractive and the guys would still point at a wide variety of girls while the girls would only point at one or two guys in the entire school, but women were limited by their environment and had to make concessions. Now every woman has access to all the Chads from the area and their egos are more inflated that those of celebrities in the past.

>>24135608
Dont forget to ask what your relationship to your mother and father is.
I m just shitting on them i think they do a great job.

>>24135573
Therapy either means you get meds, which might help.
Or it means you have to be in accordance with modern day brainwash politically. If a therapist would empathise with incel views, he wouldn't have a job. He does however have to embrace female incel views, else he probably wouldn't habe a job either.

The fact that female incels are not recognised, shows clearly, that this is a joke.

>>24135583
>incel is a man with real problem
There is no problem. They are just entitled dipshits who should be shot.

>Changing way of think wont make real problems go away.
It would if they were humans. The problem is that by being incels they have shown their lack of humanity. You cannot reason with creatures incapable of reason, you can only kill them.

>>24135609
1: IQ isn't indicative of high intelligence and has been largely discredited. 2: High intelligence but autistic is inherently bad genetics.

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>>24135616
Your boomer preaching is a bit outdated

>>24135611
It is all jsut internetz drival and foids that feed into that, hopefully for some gainz otherwise it would be retarded.

>>24135573
Therapy is for telling women that they are not responsible for dumb shit they do, of course it doesn't work on men.

>>24135620
I think therapy for men is a glorified way of taking an emotional dump.

>>24135573
>therapy
What exactly was done? There are dozens of different therapeutic methods
I think CBT would work wonders on incels

>>24135616
you couldn't kill a fly if you tried

>>24135573
>Findings suggest potential benefits of male therapists and clear therapeutic goals that acknowledge but do not promise to resolve romantic concerns.
>clear therapeutic goals that acknowledge but do not promise to resolve romantic concerns.

Because therapy doesn't fix the root problem: a broken society and a broken social contract.

>>24135573
> treatment has 0% success rate, usually makes things worse
>it’s the patient’s fault
Sweet gig.
It’s not just the incels mind you, the rate of mental disorders across society has only been increasing. Well done.

>>24135573
Raeto west big-lies.org

>>24135618
>He doesn't realize how time works
Lol.

>>24135612
im really racking my brain. unless you marry a literal virgin i cannot come up with any good reason to date for real. showing off? status? pony up and get a cute hooker to do ‘Girlfriend Experience’ for a day or 2 so you can show her off to co workers or you drinking friends or some shit. at least sex is guaranteed then.

>>24135605
You could try a male therapist if you haven't, but yes they generally are useless. Ask yourself, what could they say that you couldn't say to yourself?
But when it comes to female therapists it's an instant GG go next, they have zero concept of how a man's mind works. It can be very bizarre. I'm convinced that their entire client-base is fat chicks who are crying about wanting to eat more mcdonalds or some other vapid stupid shit.

>>24135622
no thanks i dont want to be kicked in the balls

>>24135573
Sneed

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>>24135573
idk im a shemale and i go to therapy cause i enjoy it

>>24135630
Found one! Hold him, girls.

>>24135605
>Third and last one told me my brothers are right and I should let my mom die in a hospice.
I mean technically speaking this one was correct.
The one explaining why you were watching those videos may have been right too, but that explanation is kinda obvious?
>watch happy videos when there's little irl making you happy
Real big brain stuff.
But yeah, you're kinda hurting yourself by filling this caretaker role.
You probably won't deny that, but will protest, that it's the morally right thing to do.
Maybe it is, maybe it is not, depends on the cost-benefit ratio, but you're definitely hurting yourself over an emotional or moral issue, and that's not ideal, especially if your sacrifice is excessive in practical terms.
Exaggerating a little: throwing your own life away over something like that? Not good. Fundamentally you live for yourself, not others, but again: cost-benefit analysis. Has it greater practical use than harm it causes you?
Now of course it's out of question that this is a difficult situation, still, don't be a complete victim of your sense of responsibility or propriety.

>>24135629
I also would like to point out that they tend to hide the true 'vibe' of things in their name
>therapy = the rap(e)y
>therapist = the rapist
That's what most of them do to your mind
lol

>>24135605
ofc they can't help you. Especially the female therapists. They are normie zombies cruising their lives on easy mode, while also stuffing themselves with mind numbing pills despite facing 0 serious problems in life and having 0 experience overcoming life difficulties. If ur gonna go to a therapist, find an old, male, disabled or disfigured one that is not depressed. That mf will know what he's talking about cos he won life on hard mode

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>>24135573
Does therapy help anyone with anything? Seems like a complete scam desu
>Interrupt your thoughts and think more positive ones
How tf do you think I've been surviving up until now

>>24135627
>he doesn't realize how first and second degree derivatives work

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>>24135588
>Why do you keep reposting this thread? Will it make anti semitism go away if you post hard enough?
I don't keep reposting this thread. This is my first time. The previous thread had interesting discussion and I wanted it to continue. Yes, I know there have been previous threads. This thread isn't about Jews. It's an anti-psychiatry thread. I don't know where the previous OPs stand on the issue.

>>24135620
Doesn’t work on women either for that matter, but the ego boost sure feels nice for a short time all the while their negative thoughts and behavioural patterns get reinforced.
And funnily enough even though their approach towards men is antagonistic instead, it’s having the same effect kek (if any).
Completely worthless profession.

Those who can’t do, teach.
Those who can’t teach, teach gym.
But even gym teachers will improve your wellbeing somewhat.

>>24135573
>view of therapy as female-biased and hostile to men
Just get a right wing male therapist. Tell him you want to fuck. Even on your specific terms. He will guide to the fucking. You will be satisfied. Don't be a total retard.

>>24135642
Telling a right winger you want to fuck sounds like a fast track to getting raped.

>>24135583
>And for now it is not possible to force women to do that
It's quite easy, for only 200$ in cash.

>>24135573
Obviously, most incels are guys.

>>24135573
women are retarded

>>24135641
>all the while their negative thoughts and behavioural patterns get reinforced.
meaning they need more therapy, you can't make money off a cured patient. if their therapies worked the therapists would be out of a job. it not like they do it on purpose most of them, but the successful therapist runs out of patients and needs to find a new job

Just accept that you losers are undesirable. Get over it.

>>24135640
There is nothing wrong with reposting a thread. /ptg/ has been reposted tens of thousands of times. Reposting a thread on /pol/ is board culture.

>>24135615
Well, I have a suggestion for you: go to Google Maps and enter therapist (or Therapeut in this case).
You may end up being surprised how many of them there are, so indeed, the incel-sympathisizer can also have this job. They're not even medical doctors but more like marriage councillors, and come in many specialisations.
But here's the most important bit:
>they're all booked to capacity
>all 5 million of them
tl;dr everybody is mentally ill these days - but does this truly surprise you? It does not.
The meds you get from a proper psychiatrist, who is an actual doctor.

>>24135573
This is bait but I will reply because I am annoyed at it for another reason. If you read it they just went on incels.is website and doomscrolled the threads and came out with that shit. Some midwit with a master's degree is getting paid to read Internet shit posts. Whenever I see reddit threads on "Incel researchers" I thought it was a LARP because how could a government be that retarded and kiked.

How about ketamine therapy? Electroshock? I can help these unfortunate types (for a price).

>>24135639
I do, but you seem to be under the delusion that people stop marrying after a while.

>>24135648
it's society that can't accept it. they write lengthy studies and normies post countless platitudes and accusations because they can't understand the simple fact that some people men are just undesirable to women, simple as.

>>24135595
T b h I'm never quite sure how many other SA flags actually live here or are just proxyfaggots

>>24135573
>just go listen to some foid psyhologist that will say its your fault

at this point just tking test, vitamins suplements and starting to lift is better option than therapy

>>24135652
Can't fix it when they're right, women indeed hate them

>>24135643
>Telling a right winger you want to fuck sounds like a fast track to getting raped.
Wow, has Netherlands stooped so low these days? Nigger brain thinking is contagious it seems.

Therapy today just means:
>Pay a DEI roastie hire to convince you the world isn't fucked

>>24135655
I figure true SA anons have seen so much shit (and deal with it daily) that you have a unique and hyper-realistic perspective on things, it’s good you’re here

>>24135652
That's more of a Depression thing, but incels are not really depressed. It looks like depression, but actually is demoralisation.
Demoralisation is different in that it isn't caused by neurochemistry or anything of the sort, but by the realisation you live in clown world or hell and everything is fucked.
Treatment? Remove the clowns/demons and unfuck society.
>good luck

>>24135653
the chart clearly shows each decade has fewer marriages
each decades marriage trajectory starting lower and curving up to a point where the line is almost horizontal, a point where people in that decade stopped marrying. and that line gets lower every decade.

percentage of people married by age 45
40s: 95%
50s: 87%
60s: 85%
70s: 82%
80s: lines already plateau at 75%
90s: much bigger gap already showing between this and past decade, they'll be lucky to crack 60% by 45
200s: already half as many married at their age as the last gen, where will they be at 45? less than 40% probably

do we have to wait 50 years until its too late before we notice we have a civilizational level risk here? its a demographic crisis. an analogy would be climate change, if you believe in that (i dont), do we have to wait until the sea levels rise a meter and flood out the coastal cities before we admit we have a problem?

>>24135654
and the reason that men are undersirable is so funny, it comes from women being sexually inferior to men. They have 0 sex drives compared to men, practically sexually disabled. Men literally have drives so strong they are sexually attracted to 90% of women. Skinny, fat, beautiful, ugly, young, old, black, white, asian. It doesn't matter, men would deeply enjoy sleeping with each one of them. Women are broken boys, inferior creatures that profit off their inferiority

>>24135583
>incel is a man with real problem
"Can't have sex" is not a problem normal people have. Everyone has dry spells and/or some form of adversarial relationship with the opposite sex and can relate to incels in some way, but access to sex isn't a real problem. It's one incels make for themselves by refusing to accept that humans have agency and aren't such slaves to biological imperatives that they MUST waste time and energy on bad partners.

Robowaifus won't help. It's the same as paying for a hooker; they will recognize that it's not "real" and become just as bitter as ever.

Incels never meet women half-way because they think capitulating to a foid is cucked or whatever.

>>24135659
Well, they're focused on solutions, and unfucking the world isn't something they can do for you, so they'll tell you to stop being such a leftoid and worry about yourself instead of the state of the world.
>but relationships are a fuck
Maybe, but consider: everybody has to deal with that BS.
>but I have goblin face
True, lol. Maybe get surgery? (this probably isn't what they'll tell you outright)
*holds hand in front of mouth trying to not puke* No no you look totally fine it's just a self-image probl*pukes into your lap*
Maybe try dating a blind girl?

>>24135661
Your next mission: End the nightmares. Good luck.

>>24135573
Save the therapy money and spend it on an escort. Problem solved

>>24135664
see, this post is exactly the kind of post i referred to when i said
>normies post countless platitudes and accusations because they can't understand the simple fact that some men are just undesirable to women, simple as.
they're just undesirable men, that's it, none of that shit you mentioned is required to be undesirable to women. you can accept that humans have agency and blah blah blah and you can meet women halfway, and being a decent human being and not even a misogynist, and still be an incel. you dont even have to know what the word incel means to be an incel.

some men are just not attractive. they can go out and talk to people, and hold conversations with women they met, and get a nice haircut and lose weight and shower and everything they're supposed to do, they can do all that and still get nowhere. because they're not getting cues of interest from women because women aren't interested.

some men, many actually these days, are just undesirable to women and their increasingly unreasonable standards. behold this chart >>24135597 there aren't enough attractive men to go around, but most women still feel entitled to a chad settle for them, its not gonna happen for most of them. so we get bitter femcels pumped and dumped for decades because of their delusional standards, and they still wont accept any personal blame, its all mens fault.

some men are just undesirable, its that simple

>>24135573
Most ''studies'' are fake, but everybody knows therapy is fake. You don't have to make up a fake study to know that.

>>24135596
>>24135628
>>24135612
>hooker
I don’t want to have to use condoms though.

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>>24135668
i should have posted this chart instead

here we can see how men rate women, in a mathematically perfect curve where the average is actually the average. for women to rate 80% of men below average shows that have a very unrealistic idea of what average is. every objectively average 5 or 6/10 man is below a 3/10 in a womans eyes

>>24135670
You'll probably have to pay extra and get checked for STDs lol
>as a literal virgin
She might make an exception if you can convince her that's true. Snapchat photo of goblin face - although then she might charge even more.
Still you'll have to get checked next time because you just fucked a prostitute without a rubber.

Lol

>>24135668
But you think "undesirable" is a permanent mode of being and not a result of any choices you're making. You choose to conceptualize it as something you can't control because the alternative is admitting that being an anti-social neet was a bad life choice that set you back, and instead of trying to navigate those issues you post faggy charts about how many lost, useless men like you there are and how women's failure to scale down to wanting to be some lardasses bang maid is a problem with women as a whole.

I didn't quote you because I didn't read your post and I didn't ask. It's not a debate. If you can't get laid then you're socializing wrong or not at all and it's your responsibility to fix it or at least accept it.

>>24135573
>Study finds 100 men brave enough to see reality as it is
>women, who have never seen reality once in the history of the world, are baffled
Based

>>24135573
>(1) “blackpill” ideology attributing sexual/romantic deprivation to immutable factors; (2) conspiracy theories framing therapy as designed to sedate and control; (3) view of therapy as female-biased and hostile to men; (4) practical concerns including cost, privacy, and hospitalization.

incels are BASED
here's the king of incels for you lads
https://youtu.be/jCWN3yO8Xqk

>>24135674
How does this even make a difference?
>he's not unattractive for any physical reason but because he's a loser
And now? He's supposed to stop being a loser? That's impossible for him.
You're still missing the point that some men simply can't compete on the dating market, for whatever reason.
Maybe his cock was blown off, maybe he looks like an ugly version of Frankenstein's monster (goths would probably be okay with a normal Frankenstein's monster), maybe he weights 1000lbs, maybe he's just absolutely autistic.
>but he could still get a brain-damaged near comatose girlfriend!
No amount of showering and haircuts and working out and speech therapy will actually actually fix this, and what does he get for these 10000000 hours of effort?
>47 year old coalburner with adult nigger sons will accept his penis with condom then break up two weeks later
In other words they can't have anything approaching a normal experience.
Is this itself a mental illness? No, just trauma. His illness is being cockless 1000lbs autistic Frankenstein.

>>24135573
Niggas were proposing on the first date in 1950s and somehow that's worse than a small blowjob or a date with a tranny

>>24135789
NO WAIT I meant somehow that's BETTERA not worse

>>24135800
It's really not that simple. Is the 1950s girl cunny? How good is the blowjob? Is tranny big pp or smol pp? Questions questions.

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>>24135674
>I didn't read your post
yes you did, but you had no argument against it, so you just pretended not to read it so you could prattle on all the same old nonsense i already debunked in the post you won't read