>>24275179
the question you should ask yourself is if you want just community and a religious activity or do you want to lie your life down for the name of Jesus?

>>24275180
>Martyrdom
>Be symbolized as a motivation to faith after a homo throws rocks at my skull to death

Hmmmmm

>>24275181
Im not talking about martyrdom.
I am talking about (You) taking the second seat in your life and giving over everything completely in the hands of God with your opinion not mattering.

>>24275182
Yeah I basically have nothing of much material value or thought based value anyway, may aswell be a monk

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>>24275179
here's a list of political commentators who are racist, anti-semitic and christian
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult

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>>24275179
>now I realize evangelicals are just sinful schizos or not even practicing Christianity
Says the guy who wants to join a denomination that puts traditions of men above scripture. Read the bible retard. Go to a baptist church.

>>24275184
Why are these thing separable? wouldn't culture/race and religion be a harmony?

>>24275185
Read the Bible in Catholic or a higher Church denomination and do what it says
>Read the bible retard

>>24275179
Become Latin Mass, working on learning Latin slowly but surely. It is the language of Roma.
Senatus Populusque Roma
Res Publica Christanae

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>>24275179
I'm going to level with you. You should absolutely not become anything based on aesthetics or vibes. We're talking about your eternal soul, not your Sunday morning clubhouse. Consider the words of John Chrysostom.
>"There comes a heathen and says, I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose? How shall we answer him? Each of you asserts, 'I speak the truth!' No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule."
The rule isn't to judge them on their aesthetics or their claims of succession or how much marble is in their cathedral. He doesn't say to submit to Rome or entrust in the patriarchs. Read the Holy Scriptures and you will not be led astray.
>Modern Caths can burn in hell for being homos though and the predatory priest behavior or freemason vibes
One of my many issues with Roman Catholicism is that between "modern Catholics" and "Tradcaths" it's actually the modernists who are probably more legitimate. You see, in order to be a Roman Catholic you have to submit to the living magisterium on all matters of faith and morals, even if what they are saying is NOT backed up by a council or ex cathedra statement. That comes straight out of the First Vatican Council. You must also believe that Councils of the Roman Catholic Church are infallible when speaking on matters of faith and morals. That includes the Second Vatican Council and all of its modernist foibles. According to Vatican I, you as a Roman Catholic ought to have absolutely no choice but to accept Vatican II. Therefore, it is the modernists who are faithful to the Catholic Church, not the traditionalists.

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>>24275179
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>>24275179
>Traditional Latin Mass

>>24275179

Yeshua was a child molester

What's with returning to tradcath movement I noticed a number of people like this

>>24275191
>room temperature IQ post

Mexicans do not speak Latin. They speak a bastardized version of Spanish inherently provincial.

>>24275193
Protestantism is jewish and has finally been exposed as so with the female so called archbishop of Canterbury(vacant since 1558) and Protestant shilling for jews. The Catholic Church is the only one condemning jewish action and only one being persecuted.

>>24275193
They want something that feels old in a sea of modernity. Something that feels sure and unapologetically traditional. I don't think they'll really find what they're looking for in Roman Catholicism. After all, Cardinal Newman is currently being made a Doctor of the Church specifically for his theory of Doctrinal Development. Read that again. Doctrinal Development. Newman is being lifted up because his theory offers an explanation for the Vaticans changes and departures from tradition, and as a Roman Catholic you have absolutely no agency or free will to resist novelty from the Magisterium. You are simply along for the ride.

>>24275179
The problem withtradcaths are tradlarpers:
conservaticucks who know nothing about tradition and try to larp as catholic clint eastwood. Church gives answer to this: it is to test/improve your virtue of patience. Tradition needs more 'normal' people.
I attend latin mass for 5+ years and these people today make me feel paternal towards them - which is funny since some of them are 30-40 years older.

Stay firm in Faith. Do not fall for sedecs. Their points are mostly correct but substance is void.

>>24275194
if you are catholic only because of the jews I have bad news for you. the Jesuits practice the same religion as jews.
and if you think you are a christian simply because of worldly affairs I have even worse news for you.

>>24275194
>The Catholic Church is the only one condemning jewish action and only one being persecuted.
Have you forgotten about Nostra Aetate already? Have you forgotten that an infallible council of the Roman Catholic Church has officially stated that the Jews are not to blame for Christs death and condemned all forms of anti-semitism? You, as a Roman Catholic layman, have no authority to challenge the words of an ecumenical council blessed by the supposedly infallible Roman pontiff.

If you declare Nostra Aetate is wrong in matters of faith and morals, than you are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. Which, in and of itself, is perfectly fine and in fact the reasonable position as far as I'm concerned. Nostra Aetate is wrong, but that's an entirely logically consistent position for me to have because I subscribe to Sola Scriptura and thus I never claimed Councils can be infallible. You as a Roman Catholic supposedly do.

So what it is? Is the Magisterium wrong about faith and morals, or do you accept Nostra Aetate?

>>24275189
This

>>24275197
Also this. I hate Jews because they hate God and killed the Messiah. If you are a Christian because you hate Jews, you are putting the cart before the horse. We are not the same.

>>24275197
No, I am Catholic because it is the same Church of the Early Church Fathers ( who mentioned the church as Catholic before the 1st set of ecumenical councils.

>>24275198
I have no disinclination of the Nosta Aetate. The Church has it's problems( it is run by sinful men of course as we all are) But, it is the only true church. Dialogue, not division is in the Church. The church is given to us by apostolic succession.
You cannot take books out of the Bible and contradict the Early Church fathers. Plain and simple hersey. The church is older than the Bible, as well meaning Sola Scriptura is hersey. Luther lost so hard in his arguements in debate he had to remove books from the Bible so his beliefs would be backed up, a hersey. If everyone can just read the Bible and have knowledge the death of Jesus is null and void and ignores the Sacraments set before the Bible was fully canonized and agreed.
Protestants serve jews, not Christ, however many unblinkingly due to lies taught

if you worship jews you need to

>go back

>>24275201
no you are not, you are in the ROMAN catholic church under the pope as the sole authority instead of Jesus Christ being the head.
you are not in the same Katholikos Church as the early church fathers.
you have roman traditions, doctrines and teachings, not biblical ones.

>>24275203
>orthodox dissenter

The last Imperator of Roma, re-united the East-West Schism only for Islamic Turks to order it's redivide the Catholic World.

The Pope is Head Of the Church set by Our Lord Jesus Christ and Roman Primacy has been established since St. Paul and St. Peter's tempore.

>>24275203
once again, Early Church father writings describe the same set of traditions practiced by the Catholic Church BEFORE the Bible was canonized.

>>24275201
>The Church has it's problems
thus its not the Church of Jesus Christ.
>But, it is the only true church. Dialogue, not division is in the Church.
the roman catholic church is divided. you even demonstrated it with your own post here >>24275194
>The church is given to us by apostolic succession.
apostolic succession is not biblical.
>You cannot take books out of the Bible
the deuterocanon was only added to the canon at the Council of Trent as a response to the reformation.
>contradict the Early Church fathers
sola scriptura does not contradict the early Church Fathers.
>The church is older than the Bible
wrong, the Septuagint predates the Church.
>as well meaning Sola Scriptura is hersey
the Word of God is a heresy? Jesus is the Word come in flesh.
>If everyone can just read the Bible and have knowledge the death of Jesus is null and void
please explain.
every human has the ability to read for himself what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross.
before that you had to go to a priest for your absolution instead of Jesus Christ directly.

>>24275204
>The Pope is Head Of the Church set by Our Lord Jesus Christ
excuse me, did Jesus Christ say "on this rock I will build YOUR Church, Peter"? or did he say MY church.
the pope is the man in place of Christ, the literal anti christ. its in the name, vicarious filii dei.

ᾰ̓ντῐ́ • (ăntĭ́) (governs the genitive)
over against, opposite
at the same time as
in exchange for, in place of
at the price of, in return for
for the sake of, for
instead of
compared with
equivalent to, no better or worse than

>>24275179
I prefer the mass with congregational responses. Do as you like. The conngregation e,g saying the Lord Prayer is always great. Then again ou probabl don;t know what a High Latin or Low Latin Mass even is.
>>24275179
>Modern Caths can burn in hell for being homos though
Interesting, you are not Catholic at all. Just some hate filled nut.

>>24275180
I'd be honoured.

>>24275201
None of this about removing books from the Bible is true. There were ongoing debates about the canon of scriptures well into the middle ages. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church only made its own canon dogma at the Council of Trent, which as you may note is AFTER the Reformers put their foot down on the 66 book canon. The Roman canon is quite literally younger than the Protestant one. We did not remove books, you added them. There had been councils regarding the canon of scripture earlier, but they were merely regional councils. Nobody recognized their universal authority and, again, debates regarding the canon go on well into the middle ages until the Reformation. We did not remove books, you added them.

Which leads to another problem. Romans claim there are three governing authorities of the church: the scriptures, sacred tradition, and the magisterium. Yet as you so tactfully pointed out, the magisterium claims authority over the scriptures. And who says what is or is not sacred tradition? The magisterium does. The magisterium is the only real and highest authority in Romanism. The sacred scriptures and sacred traditions are meaningless compared to whatever novelty fancies the magisterium.

>>24275209
>The magisterium is the only real and highest authority in Romanism. The sacred scriptures and sacred traditions are meaningless compared to whatever novelty fancies the magisterium.
fascinating how they managed to pull of the same shit as talmudic jews where God has to submit to man.
add to this the continued priest system of the OT and its truly mind boggling.

>>24275206
>tiresome protestant talking points that I already answered
>all answers and things you descibred based on ignoring Early Church fathers that even Calvin said was no issue with

>It has problems
We all do. You are denying that we are sinful inherently and need the salvation of Christ and his Church. This alone deems no further discussion

>>24275209

>deurtocanon
have you heard of the 382 council of Rome which included these books??

Protestants have no knowledge of early church history that quick book read or interest search will solve.

Ignoring early Church councils is egregious hersey.

Notice to all lurking, protestants cannot even get the order of history right.

>>24275209
Christ made the Church and appointed St. Peter as the head, and Roman Primacy. Continue to deny this at your own soul's peril.

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>>24275203
During the fourth century AD, the world church held four cities as major episcopal Sees --- Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Rome.

ALL these cities fell to kike or muslim hands.

martin luther is hell burning

>>24275212
>ALL these cities fell to kike or muslim hands.
*three of these cities fell to kike or muslim hand , EXCEPT FOR ROME

>>24275211
on an individual basis we are fallible, but all protestants agree on the same base concepts and this is where the union of the Church of Christ is.
they adhere to his Word, rome does not but even went on and changed the laws of God claiming they are God.

>>24275212
>ALL these cities fell to kike or muslim hands.
as judgement by God.

>>24275212
>four cities
>not five
>no Pentarchy
>no Constantinople
Shiggy diggy.

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>>24275212

Protestants only try to convert Catholics as well largely. Quite telling truthfully.

>>24275213
Based post
Rome and our hearts were conquered by Christ and we are his Church! Ave Chistus Regnum

>>24275214
Catholic Doctrine is united, while protestants have a million denominations. Which one is the right path to salvation? You cannot answer this.

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>>24275214
>we are ok with Catholics dying and losing land to jews and muslims
>but we are totally still Christians

uh... yeah anon sure.

>>24275216
>Which one is the right path to salvation? You cannot answer this.
how many Churches did Christianity start out with?
it was always a decentralized group of believers in Jesus Christ, not a church with one man at the top.
the roman church is antithetical to what the Church is. an assembly of believers in Jesus finished work on the cross.

>>24275217
nobody killed more real Christians than the roman catholic church.

I mean, I can tell which side you chose when you post dragons and a Jesuit stooge. sorry, but you are not in the Church of Christ, youre in the opposing camp, the harlot church of satan.

Christianity is dead, no larping as trad will revive it.

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>>24275218
>how many Churches
One the Catholic. Please Read the Early Church Fathers

Again which denomination is correct? This such simple thing no protestant can answer.

>>24275218
>real Christians
>jesuit
Get behind me Satan. Protestants started the wars of Religion. Every time. Again, a lack of historical knowledge.

>>24275219
hi rabbi, adults are talking

jews are mad the about The Catholic Faith as they only have this material world, while we have eternal life in Christ.

>>24275220
>Read the Early Church Fathers
you are not in the church of the early church fathers.
>Again which denomination is correct?
none, either you are in Jesus Christ or you are not.
>Every time. Again, a lack of historical knowledge.
so much hubris. the jesuits are the soldiers of the pope. look up who they are and what they are responsible for.

anyway, its clear to me God did give you a new heart and the Holy Spirit yet otherwise your priorities and motivations would be different.
I implore you to repent of your ways and make Jesus Christ the sole authority of your body and life instead of man.
have a good one.

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>>24275220
>Please Read the Early Church Fathers
Oh okay

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>Peter himself was the rock of the church
Are you sure about that?

pol christlarpers moved away from Le based trad Latin mass and orthobro denominations as they both teach jesus was a jew, you'll need to find a more obscure denomination so you can keep denying that

>>24275220
>>24275221
*God did give you a new heart
didnt

>>24275221
This conversations is very droll.

You still cannot answer a simple question. Which denomination is correct?

>purpose
my purpose is that You accept Christ and his Church and repent. Christ is King. Jesus has improved my life SO SO much is not even funny. I confess Christ Jesus is the Son of God and he Died for My sins despite my many mistakes. Hail Christ the King.

>>24275225
>went from living in sin to repenting from sin

Stuff like this is why I became Catholic. No Protestant can give a straight answer about which theology or denomination is correct. Everyone has a different argument.

>>24275222
>>24275223
>both of these quotes in the whole passage refer to there still being a Pope
Ok then anon. Nice ID switch. Lol. VPN?

>>24275224
nice try rabbi!!!

>>24275226
>try
Are you denying catholics teach jesus was a jew?

>>24275226
>Which denomination is correct?
I just did, no denomination is correct, all have errors.
>Jesus has improved my life SO SO much is not even funny. I confess Christ Jesus is the Son of God and he Died for My sins despite my many mistakes.
glad to hear, but I dont see the fruit in your attitude, where your focus is or in the way you talk.
>>went from living in sin to repenting from sin
you dont repent from sin, you repent from being your own God. you give God back what belongs to him, your life.
>Everyone has a different argument.
and the roman church is different?
if you are sick of denominations and theologies why not come out of these systems entirely? makes no sense to dive into it.
the Word of God is simple and clear for anyone to understand.

>>24275209
>There were ongoing debates about the canon of scriptures well into the middle ages. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church only made its own canon dogma at the Council of Trent
The entire purpose of councils is to settle debates.
>the magisterium claims authority over the scriptures
Not quite as they are interdependent. However, one must have predated the other. Christ did not write nor did He give any instruction on the canon. He left a Church made of men who exercised His authority on earth. Those men are the reason you have canon at all.
>And who says what is or is not sacred tradition?
The ones who didn't break away from it.
>>24275210
>fascinating how they managed to pull of the same shit as talmudic jews where God has to submit to man
You're confusing them with Protestants who think a man's interpretation of Scripture can supersede God's authority. "Sola scriptura" might as well be translated as "I don't trust Jesus."
>>24275218
>it was always a decentralized group of believers in Jesus Christ, not a church with one man at the top.
lol, lmao. If Protestants really believe this then there is no point arguing until they actually read some history. Actually, you don't even need to do that. Just read your New Testament. It's authoritative.

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>>24275227
>same tired jewish argument

Jesus cannot be a jew since did not follow Rabbic Talmudism, the basis of Judaism, different from Temple Hebrewism. Of course that distinction is lost on those who Deny the Divinity of Our Lord.

The Church teaches he is the Son of God, wholly man and whole God, born of the Virgin Mary (assumed into Heaven by the way), who died and rose again after three days and ascended to heaven after appearing to the Apostles. And of course, he is the Heir of David, and ended temple worship, so therefore cannot even by construed as any form of jewish.

>>24275228
If everyone can interpert the Bible with only the Bible, who is right???
Still cannot answer that.

The Catholic Church is the only path to salvation as it is the Church that he founded. Everything else is causing division in the Church.

The Word of God is clear if you have all of the books! But protestants don't!

>>24275229
good point on the last one anon cheers

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>>24275179
I support thus. We must rise up through the ranks of the Church and become the future leaders who will do God's will.

>>24275229
>"Sola scriptura" might as well be translated as "I don't trust Jesus."
Jesus is the Word become flesh. the Word is what God has given us.
>Just read your New Testament. It's authoritative.
yes, Paul was writing to local churches where believers gathered most likely at someones home.
then you had the local Churches of Jerusalem, Antioch etc which believers and the apostles traveled to.

>>24275230
>If everyone can interpert the Bible with only the Bible, who is right???
you cant understand the bible without the Holy Spirit since he is both the author and interpreter.
>The Catholic Church is the only path to salvation
the Church is not the path of salvation, Jesus Christ is. see, you dont even see how roman catholocism already corrupted your way of thinking.
>The Word of God is clear if you have all of the books! But protestants don't!
cool, the Exorcists still burn fish livers to drive out demons or are they hypocrites who dont follow their canon?

>>24275232
>assuming men who rebelled aganist the church have the Holy Spirt
Uh anon.. hate to break it to you...

>Jesus makes church to help out sinful people have community of believers to reach salvation
>but anon on basket weaving forum says you do not need it
k

>>24275232
>denying that exorcisms are real
wohoo lad
when You read the Full Bible, call me back also please consult the Council of Rome 382.

>>24275192
You kikes worship Epstein as your messiach.

>>24275233
youre the catholic frog poster, arent you?

>>denying that exorcisms are real
disingenuous

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>>24275235
Nope I am not, just a long time National Socialist and Fascist who wishes jews and muslims and other pagans would scram.

Hitler was Right and Christ is King!

>>24275236
>full of lust of the eyes
>full of pride
>full of hubris
>obsessed over the correct canon
lying is a sin. your character makes you stick out.

>>24275179
Sorry your thread got derailed by the usual polemics against God's Church. I would recommend against aligning yourself into a fully "Latin Mass and nothing else" community or parish. It's a lot of larp as you describe and often all about aesthetics over charity. Not always, but often. The Extraordinary form is great but the Novus Ordo is the Mass of the Church. You can find parishes who celebrate it with proper reverence. Done right, it's much less of a departure from the older rite. Latin was never meant to be eradicated. Chant was/is still prescribed as the correct form of music. Boomers just went off the rails and ruined it for decades. In any case, the guiding reason for your choice should be the Truth, not "vibes". Even a campy guitar Mass has Jesus present. Your natural senses do not change divine realities.
>Modern Caths can burn in hell for being homos though and the predatory priest behavior or freemason vibes despite some interesting boomers and normies who go there
There are of course tons of lib Catholics, but you might find that young people who actually practice the faith lean a lot more conservative. I'm in one of the most lib parts of the US (like 85/15) but it seems like the guys who come regularly are the inverse without buying into the whole Conservative Inc. Trump = Jesus slop.

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>>24275179
Catholicism heavily promotes race mixing. All branches.

You know it's true.

What it used to be got irredeemably corrupted and it's better to not be religious.

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>>24275236
lol

>>24275232
>Jesus is the Word become flesh. the Word is what God has given us.
Yes, but does that mean Jesus left behind the New Testament (written in your language) after he ascended?
>yes, Paul was writing to local churches where believers gathered most likely at someones home
Yes. And what was he writing about? Was he telling them "Cool that we're all believers. You guys do you and those guys over there can do their own thing"?
>you cant understand the bible without the Holy Spirit since he is both the author and interpreter.
How do you know it's the Spirit interpreting for you? Anyone can quote and interpret (even the devil!). Why is your interpretation correct but a Catholic's or anyone else's isn't? It's an important question so give me a concrete answer.
>the Church is not the path of salvation, Jesus Christ is. see, you dont even see how roman catholocism already corrupted your way of thinking.
Where do you find Christ?

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>>24275237
>lying is a sin
Then take your own advice. He's right. And may Jesus Christ bless his White Christian Soul.

>i'm thinking of worshiping a jew
what happened in your life that you've sunk to this level of desperation?

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>>24275241
>Jesus left behind the New Testament (written in your language) after he ascended?
yes, and the Holy Spirit as a guide who brings everything in remembrance.
>Yes. And what was he writing about?
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
1 Cor 2
>How do you know it's the Spirit interpreting for you?
because he brings all thing into remembrance just as Jesus said.
> Why is your interpretation correct but a Catholic's or anyone else's isn't?
because they teach contrary to what the Word says because they have to run a world empire for satan.
>Where do you find Christ?
you dont find Christ, Christ finds you. the Church comes in after you are saved by Jesus.

>>24275242
no he is not, you cant love the world and love God.

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>>24275244
Why did both Hitler, Goering and Himmler all attend Christian burials? Your kikery is showing juden.

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>>24275245
>you cant love the world and love God.
So you're a materialist kike? Good time know. Your kind lacks faith, hope and all the good qualities that build this world. Your love for this world will not save you having to leave it at some point, what then?

>>24275248
>Good time know.
Good to know*

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>>24275248
>So you're a materialist kike?
are you to stupid to read?

>>24275245
>literally believes Jesus dropped a book.
I guess the book of Matthew was not actually written by Matthew (or someone close to him) and Paul's epistles weren't written by Paul. There you have it. There you have it: sola scriptura relies on a magical belief that the NT dropped out of the sky. I'm going to be charitable and not assume all Protestants are actually this retarded. Even if that were true, how in the world can you know your interpretation is correct? You're giving yourself authority over God's Word. You're projecting your sin of supreme hubris onto the Catholic Church. Again I'll be charitable: It's not your hubris alone if you were taught that way. The hubris originated from the "reformers" who knew better and still decided to put themselves above God.

>>24275254
The great schism was created by kikes that wanted to create division in Christianity. Before that we were all one under Christ and we should return to that sentiment.

>>24275254
>I guess the book of Matthew was not actually written by Matthew
Matthew was given the Holy Spirit.
>Paul's epistles weren't written by Paul
Paul was given the Holy Spirit.

>There you have it: sola scriptura relies on a magical belief that the NT dropped out of the sky.
Im so tired of catholics, youre the enemies of God by heart. God gave you the Word and the Reformation and you rebel against it tooth and nail.
youre the best proof that Luther and the other reformers were right. just wolves in sheep clothing.
>Even if that were true, how in the world can you know your interpretation is correct?
no, its the Holy Spirits interpretation.
> It's not your hubris alone if you were taught that way.
no, I was directed that way by God.

I mean, what else is there to add, you have only your own works, you completely deny the divinity of the Holy Spirit and only him giving life and direction. what else are you expecting than Gods hard rebuke and rejection?
enjoy your christian larp tho.

>>24275179
The purpose of the mass is a community celebration. If you don't know Latin, then Latin Mass will be little more than a curiosity.

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Just going to leave this hear for Protestants who always lose it at the slightest mention of The True Catholic Faith, but do nothing about Hindus, jews and muslims (please reference pass 500 years of history and church councils)


>>24275256
Cheers lad

To Summarize:

>Christ is King
>The Catholic Church is the only Church
>Hitler Was Right
>Jews, Muslims and Pagans are evil

Have A Good Evening!

>>24275236
>jews and muslims
Saved according to the Catholic Church btw.

>>24275179
Most TLM radtrads are LARPers who don't actually see anything in the liturgy as real, no matter how autistically their devoted study to the rubrics are, quite frankly.

I'm certainly not saying go to a novus ordo Mass, but you'll be sorely disappointed by the TLM communities if you go in assuming they're "based".

>>24275258
>Matthew was given the Holy Spirit.
>Paul was given the Holy Spirit.
You said you believed Jesus dropped the NT in English or German at his ascension. I know you don't actually believe that, but you said so. Now tell me why did Paul's letters and Matthew's gospel become canon but the dozens of other writings by other authors did not?
>God gave you the Word
Yes
>and the Reformation
hahahhaahahahaha. Yes God definitely wanted his Church fragmented into a million pieces. I shouldn't laugh. If you believe the reformation came from God then you seriously need prayers.
>and you rebel against it tooth and nail
How can we rebel against rebels? Don't you see how much you project? You're saying Luther was given his authority by the Spirit????? Where is that in scripture???
>no, its the Holy Spirits interpretation.
HOW DO YOU KNOW? The devil knows scripture too. He quoted it to Christ in the desert.
>no, I was directed that way by God.
So you're an Apostle?
>you have only your own works
Where did I say that? You're the one who is giving yourself authority.
>you completely deny the divinity of the Holy Spirit and only him giving life and direction
No. I believe the Spirit guides the Church. You deny Sacred Tradition and therefore deny the Spirit.
>what else are you expecting than Gods hard rebuke and rejection?
I don't expect rejection but always expect rebuke from God. Thankfully he gave us a method of repentance through His Church so I need not be afraid

>>24275261
>Christ is King
This is all i need. Have a good one brother in Christ, stay close to the Lord and he'll surely stay close to you. Good night.

>>24275197
>>24275200
wtf lol
take it back to erditt

The priests at my Latin mass parish always point out that just because something is older does not make it more legitimate. Novus ordo and Greek rites are both perfectly acceptable ways to worship. In fact I would say if your options are only novus ordo or sspx I would go to the novus ordo mass. Sspx does not have canonical authority to do the Latin mass and there are a bunch of holy orders that actually do. To start I would look up the TLM parishes around you and attend a low mass on a day not Sunday it’s nice and peaceful with way less people and you have a much higher chance of getting to talk to the priest about joining afterwards

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>>24275179
Imagine

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>>24275184
Christianity is spiritual communism

>>24275260
They all have books that have the Latin on one page and English on the other. A lot of people follow a long in those. if you go every Sunday you’ll pick it up pretty fast.

>>24275269
Claus was a aristocratic knight and not some tranny living on welfare in france, muttnigger

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>>24275194
>insults anon
>has room temp IQ of christjews racial stats
Brown soul

>>24275268
Yes, imagine being a impotent and castrated muttoid who are 41% white (probably less) btw lol

>>24275260
Not true. The sacrifice happens whether you understand it or not. Even a Mass in your own language can be hard to follow if you're new. You can have "community celebration" any number of ways.
>>24275267
>>24275263
It's not a black and white difference with only two options of TLM and boomer guitars. There are plenty of parishes that celebrate the NO with reverence and plenty of Latin. Best option is to find a parish like that. But even a parish with a bad liturgy is better than none at all.

>>24275179
>Evangelicals not even practicing Christianity more legitimately and just have concerts
gathering in celebration is only a part of the Christian life, the private devotions or prayer and charity, the discipling brothers and sisters in ones and twos, without any production, just simple lives that shine for Jesus. the fun music and simple sermons are not the church, the eucharist is not the church, the people are the church, the church is the community of people trusting Jesus in everything and having their lives transformed for the glory of God.
but go where ever the LORD is leading you and where you will be wholehearted to obey Jesus in all you think, say and do.

>>24275264
>Now tell me why did Paul's letters and Matthew's gospel become canon
because they are in accordance and backed up by the OT.
>Yes God definitely wanted his Church fragmented into a million pieces.
yes he did, away from the pope who claims to be God on earth while Jesus is gone or whatever.
if you believe in the omnipotence of God you would accept the Reformation as his Will, but you reject Gods Will, as in heaven so on earth.
>How can we rebel against rebels?
the papal office is rebellion against God from within the Church as foretold in Revelation.
even the Church Fathers knew this

Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130–202 AD): A Greek church father who identified "Lateinos" (Latinus) as a likely solution to the number 666.Latinus (The Interpretation): Irenaeus suggested in his work Against Heresies that Lateinos (meaning "the Latin kingdom" or "Latin man") fits the number of the beast, representing the Roman Empire (the fourth beast in Daniel's prophecy).The Connection: Irenaeus noted that Lateinos has the number 666, and it is a "very probable [solution]" because it represents the last kingdom.Significance: This interpretation was part of early Christian attempts to understand the prophecy, with Irenaeus connecting the fall of the empire, often identified as the Latin/Roman power, with the rise of the end times.

>HOW DO YOU KNOW? The devil knows scripture too.
I have supernatural and natural rest on the sabbath day in accordance to God resting on the 7th day because it was very good.
>So you're an Apostle?
no, the apostolic office is chosen by God individually disproving apostolic succession. I am to call out the beast, the continued roman empire according to Daniel, and the man of sin, the pope, the ponitfex maximus the title of the roman emperor.
>Where did I say that?
roman catholocism is works based salvation with rituals you have to do to keep your salvation.
>I believe the Spirit guides the Church.
he guides people. read you bible.
1/2

>>24275260
FPBP

>>24275269
I'm not gonna take advice or heed from some faggot calling themselves 'Thulêan Sorcerere'. Isn't it the guy that murdered his gay lover aswell?

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>>24275185
Yes jew worship will "liberate" you, send you to "heaven" and you will be wih god

>>24275272
>has room temp IQ of christjews racial stats
imagine the 1 billion jeets pagans that are getting spawned in the west thanks to jews and easily surpass christcucks on numbers... imagine being a shill muttangutan who is probably not even white in the first place, imagine shilling for yellow chinks pagans, the world is not even christian but surely it is christnigger fault that our non-christian society is destroyed lol

>>24275262
according to vatican heresies, not according the the church fathers or the vast majority if church history. these are dark times, but the catholic church has not always been thus, and it is not like that everywhere.

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>>24275205
>>24275204
Christjew squabbles are the death of Europe

>>24275246
Perhaps because they didn't take larping seriously as amerimutts here ? since only untermensch genetic sewage fall for DEI it is no wonder that it makes so much success in a shithole called United States of America

>>24275264
>Sacred Tradition and therefore deny the Spirit
because Jesus was so thrilled about pharisaic traditions and teachings, right?
the roman chuch is the continuation of the pharisee clergy class that God abolished.
>through His Church
nope he did not. repentance is the Holy Spirit convicting of sins and you finally turn back to God. then you are a member of the Church.
you have it the wrong way around.
you lack repentance and the Holy Spirit, you are still dead in your sins. church attendance, having mass and water baptism wont change that, you are simple going through empty motions.

anon, you are not saved, you have zero assurance by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. he will tell you he never knew you until you repent of your religious games.

>>24275179
Even the modernist creed is above pagancuckery larping or neoatheistic trash... of course comparing a 2000 tradition with a tranny trailer park trash created in a garage is not just.

>>24275283
It's always a mutt or a memeflag. Thats how you know. If not, then just look at their antics and the fruits they produce.

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>>24275276
>because they are in accordance and backed up by the OT.
According to whom?
>accept the Reformation as his Will, but you reject Gods Will, as in heaven so on earth
Heaven is unified in worship of one indivisible God. It's exactly the opposite of your fragmented hellscape. The words "devil' and "diablo" are rooted in the Greek word for "divider".
>I have supernatural and natural rest on the sabbath day in accordance to God resting on the 7th day because it was very good.
Kek! Oh shit. I'm arguing with one of THOSE. I'll definitely pray for you friend.
>the papal office is rebellion against God from within the Church as foretold in Revelation.
Sigh... this is why it's dangerous to let any rube think he's an authority on scripture.
>Irenaeus of Lyons
I don't see you quoting him but rather some schizo numerology drivel. Also do you mean the same St. Irenaeus in picrel?
>no, the apostolic office is chosen by God individually disproving apostolic succession
Where is that in Scripture?
>roman catholocism is works based salvation with rituals you have to do to keep your salvation.
Tired strawman talking point. You don't understand Catholicism if you wrote that.
>he guides people
By what means? Vibes?

>>24275287
>Kek! Oh shit. I'm arguing with one of THOSE. I'll definitely pray for you friend.
why would God command to remember the sabbath?
because people would forget it.
its a commandment and law of God he did not change and Jesus told us to keep his commandments.
youre out, sorry, you fell for satan.
>I'll definitely pray for you friend.
no need.
>Where is that in Scripture?
Acts 13
2While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.
>By what means? Vibes?
his Word.

I mean, you are coming close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit here and telling me I am guided by satan.
not sure if you want to continue and we call it quits.

>>24275284
>you are not saved
Again you are making yourself God. God alone knows who is and isn't saved. Listen to yourself.
>you have zero assurance by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit
But that's exactly what we have. I don't have to worry about my own fallible interpretations of things because Jesus said he would always be with His Church. He is physically present for us to receive. I have His assurance, not my own.
>going through empty motions
Receiving the Body of Christ (as he commanded us) is not an empty motion and I pray one day you come to recant that. He is my assurance

>>24275288
>I mean, you are coming close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit here and telling me I am guided by satan.
YOU are not the Holy Spirit.

>>24275289
>God alone knows who is and isn't saved.
Matthew 7
18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
>because Jesus said he would always be with His Church. He is physically present for us to receive.
Acts 17
The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,
>Receiving the Body of Christ (as he commanded us) is not an empty motion
yes, because its a satanic blood ritual because apparently the work on the cross was not good enough and he has to be sacrificed over and over again by becoming flesh and blood again in the eucharist.
what an insult to God. IT IS FINISHED.

>>24275290
does the 4th commandments still stand?

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

>>24275291
>satanic blood ritual
Please read up so you understand the gravity of your error.
>apparently the work on the cross was not good enough and he has to be sacrificed over and over again
You definitely don't understand it. Hopefully this thread was a good lesson for lurkers, though.

>>24275293
anon, let me ask you a question.
if you were in a cult, would you know it?
and if you were, would the leader of said cult tell you you lose your salvation if you leave the cult?

you dont have to answer me. just please ponder about it for yourself.

>>24275293
>You definitely don't understand it.
what do you think "transubstantiation" is?

>>24275269
>Thûlean sorcerer
They come back every century or so
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_Sebottendorf

>>24275179
You don't care about faith at all

>>24275189

You have to consider the man made church infallible? When reading these considerations, how do people not feel retarded for being catholic?

>>24275179
Why waste your time effort and money on a religion created by desert dwelling tribes designed to keep you subservient to them and the ruling class. Live a good life and don't rely on fairy tales.

>>24275274
The Mass is explicitly a celebration; the priest who performs the Eucharistic rite is the "celebrant." The purpose of the mass is for a community of people to come together and celebrate the Eucharist as the body of Christ. This was how masses were conducted before the Middle Ages. While the sacrifice happens regardless of what language is being spoken, you can't be an active participant in it unless you know what's going on. You can watch the best, most artistic movie in the world, but if someone mutes the TV, you're not going to get the full picture of what's going on.
>There are plenty of parishes that celebrate the NO with reverence and plenty of Latin
I am a cantor and this is how my parish works. The boomer folk guitar was a highly reactionary musical and younger generations are growing weary of it. I know a bit of Latin, so I can say the translation is quite good.

>>24275300
>You can watch the best, most artistic movie in the world, but if someone mutes the TV, you're not going to get the full picture of what's going on.
cant you picture Christ crucified in your place because of YOUR sins in your mind or what. what good is this performative sacrifice of the eucharist.
it cant even come close to the real deal. God sacrificing himself ON THE CROSS in your place.

>>24275179
>converting for muh traditional TLM
You are literally just an embarrassed protestant that will seethe and come up with some reason to pretend the Pope isn't authoritative when you don't like what he's saying.

>>24275193
Male autism

>>24275300
let me be more clear, the HOST becomes an IDOL and you EAT it.

>>24275179
im trynna find a latin mass just because i think it would be easier to bang the nuns and not get caught because everyone would have their head down in shame

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>>24275179
love u anon
indeed traditional mass is THE WAY, but otherwise if you are already baptized catholic or orthodox it's enough to WITNESS the Transformation of bread and wine
read Meditations on the Tarot, it's by a man who went through all the occult stuff, including eastern orthodoxy, until arriving at Catholicism -- the true Mother Church

>>24275304
The host is not an idol. An idol is an object worshiped as a god. Once a host is Consecrated, it ceases to be an object and becomes Jesus. Jesus said it as clearly as he could. "This IS my body" "This IS my blood." And then he instructed us to repeat this ritual in memory of him.

>>24275179
all catholics go to hell

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>>24275306
>WITNESS
also Brother Lawrence's "The Practice of the Presence of God"
that way you can be a Jew and a Catholic in the same time :3

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>>24275179
You look for a "cool religion", you don't look for the truth apparently.

The Roman church is not a Christian church, it is a Babylonian Roman institution. You won't find Jesus Christ in that counterfeit church, you will only find Roman religious fetishes.

Read the Holy Bible and go to Jesus Christ himself before you even begin to look for a congregation.

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>>24275246
To keep up appearances smoothbrain

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>>24275280
Brazil is the result of Christianity
Know your place cloaca ape

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>>24275312
based

>>24275304
>>24275301
You are calling Christ a liar. The earliest Christians would have chased you out and rightly called you a heretic. Funny how all Christians believed this was the case for 1500+ years. Even your original "reformers" thought so. It's only reformers of the reformers of the reformers (in the endless fractal of diabolical splintering) came to deny Christ's words while professing sola scriptura.

>>24275312
Ah so this is where abos come from

>>24275307
>Once a host is Consecrated, it ceases to be an object and becomes Jesus
>>24275314
Idolatry. You are not to make anything in Heaven where Jesus resides right now into the likeness on earth.
the Host is an idol of Christ thus breaking the law.
furthermore the ceremonial law prohibits the consumption of blood.

Deut 12
Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.

God does not break his own laws, thats why you taste wine in the euchrist and not blood or flesh. dont deceive yourself.

>>24275307
>And then he instructed us to repeat this ritual in memory of him.
I mean, if you cant spot the red flag of "ritual" I cant help you.
youre in a pagan cult.

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>>24275353
John 6:
52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” 59 This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper′na-um.
The Words of Eternal Life

60 Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, “Do you take offense at this?"
So let HIM ask you anon: Do you take offense at this? Even better in the original Greek when he uses a word that doesn't just mean "eat", but rather "chew" or "gnaw". He couldn't have been more clear. And picrel is from a disciple of John the Apostle... one of the guys who happened to write part of your Bible.

>>24275368
its always easy to stop at verse 61, huh?
>63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.
youre fucked if you think the Host is his Flesh and the wine is His blood. God does not break his own laws.

>>24275379
You think he is talking about his own flesh? And I guess John the Apostle is fucked and so is your Bible. Or else he was a bad reacher and couldn't stop his students from doing satanic blood rituals. Maybe you just don't have full knowledge of Scripture. Not unlikely since you're just one guy who thinks he can pick up a Bible and just get it. Sorry bro, the Holy Spirit didn't give you that authority. Kind of blasphemous to think He did.

>>24275413
breaking bread with your fellow servants of Christ in his remembrance is not the same as attending a ritual where a little wafer is transformed into the literal flesh of Christ.
you are in fellowship, you are in a pagan ritual. its posted right here from a catholic.
>>24275307
>Once a host is Consecrated, it ceases to be an object and becomes Jesus
>And then he instructed us to repeat this ritual in memory of him
it is a blood ritual, right here from the horses mouth.

>>24275413
>>24275421
*you arent in a fellowship

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>>24275179
>Modern Caths can burn in hell for being homos though and the predatory priest behavior or freemason vibes despite some interesting boomers and normies who go there.
This isn't a good mindset to have if you want to be catholic op

>>24275179
>>http://salve-regina.com/index.php?title=Tableau_des_%C3%A2ges_de_la_vie_int%C3%A9rieure,_selon_les_diff%C3%A9rentes_%C3%A9coles_de_spiritualit%C3%A9