I found Halloween candy in my stack and it isn't even October yet, edition.>Why Gold & Silver?https://youtu.be/i3S4rl6ehiIhttps://youtu.be/gksenA5Al_Ahttps://youtu.be/FI7NnOg2rxo>Huge deficits in minerals such as silver by 2050 inevitablehttps://youtu.be/iibsrDXdEos>Bullion dealershttps://libertycoin.com/(US)https://www.chards.co.uk/(EU/UK)https://www.silburycoins.co.uk/(Ancient)https://www.luciteria.com/(Other rare metals)https://www.ma-shops.com/ (Numismatics)https://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/ (US)https://stoutgold.co/ (US)https://www.aydincoins.com/ (US)https://prospectorsgoldandgems.com/ (US)more at:https://pastebin.com/gZfZHtNE>Numismatic searchhttps://en.numista.com/catalogue/https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/>News and graphshttps://numismag.com/en/home-en/https://silverseek.com/https://www.silverdoctors.com/https://www.mining.com/https://silverbacksnakes.io/finance/silverhttps://www.gold.org/goldhub/data/gold-reserves-by-countryhttps://wtfhappenedin1971.com/>Comparehttps://findbullionprices.com/(US)https://eu.compare.pm/(EU)https://www.gold.de/aufgeldtabelle/(DE/EU)>Resourceshttps://www.jmbullion.com/ultimate-guide-to-90-silver-coins/https://kevinsworkbench.com/junksilverguide/https://www.coinflation.com/http://coinapps.com/https://erikasgrig.com/calculators/rpi-calculator-inflation/https://learn.apmex.com/buying-guide/buying-in-the-usa/https://pastebin.com/5aLmWUUK>Prospectinghttps://youtu.be/ZCL6FKQZyoMhttps://www.usgs.gov/programs/mineral-resources-program/sciencehttps://www.mndm.gov.on.ca/en/news/mines-and-mineralshttps://www.amazon.ca/Gold-Creeks-Ghostowns-British-Columbia/dp/088839988X>Nitric acid, magnets, and ping testhttps://youtu.be/3mg9YcAShTohttps://youtu.be/NgSXg-WOEVYhttps://youtu.be/2ymGAyKAg-khttps://www.fakebullion.com/index.php/resources/fake-bullion-databasePrevious Thread: >>60881691
FIRST FOR 100 DOLLAR SILVER
>>60886429>if SHTF you can’t eat your silv-
Hey I've bought gold before, I'm thinking of buying 1g of gold a week to kinda dollar cost average into gold, or should I try to save money on premiums and buy larger amounts at greater intervals, like 0.5 ounces 3 times a year (every 4 months)?
I can't believe that fiat is losing value so fast.
>>60886472>buying 1g of gold a weekThe premiums will hurt, a lot.>try to save money on premiums and buy larger amounts at greater intervals, like 0.5 ounces 3 times a yearYes.
>>60886429You're not you when you're hungry
>attempted tampThey gave it their best shot
I miss cheapies bros
>>60886562>spot $40.83>futures $41.64 USD>PSLV shorts, up 11 millionSomeone's going to lose fiat lol (unless they're shorting at $40 but I have no way of telling)
>>60886472>go big or go homeThe fees and costs for the merchant are the same for 1g or 1kg (I'm exaggerating).>Bigger bars and coins+ you'll get more gold for your money- if you have to sell it and the other person has no smaller bar / coin, you'll have to trade all of it
the price on phils needs to drop 10 cents
>>60886429Thank you baker for this, our daily bread.Gold is over $5k and silver Maples are over $64 in Canadian jeetbucks.>Dear Vishnu, please end it now!
>>60886562Is it retail which is causing it to moon or is jt just that the comex can't rostin behnam tamp it down anymore? I may buy another 100 ounces before these normgroids figure out what's going on
*cheaper than apmex>>>/tg/96367444*I'm trying to see if there's an open PO box I can pick up before sending over the info, but the info is coming
>>60886562>attempted tamp>They gave it their best shotThey were successful in keeping it below $41. (tamped at $40.96) The tamp isn't for controlling the long term price, the tamp is for killing momentum and keeping silver boring/uninteresting for the hedge funds and dumb money for as long as possible.The tamp cannot control the long term price, but can delay the eventual bull run. They've literally been running this same playbook for decades.The big issue is, China is now paying over $42/oz so you have a net flow from west to east. You can fit 200k oz of silver in one shipping container and it costs less than $50k for shipping + insurance to ship a container of silver to China, netting $150k in profit on a ONE DOLLAR delta. They CANNOT allow the delta between LBMA/COMEX and SGE/SHFE to go much above $2.00 or silver will quickly and completely drain out of the western vaults.
>>60886665>silver will quickly and completely drain out of the western vaults
320oz ag 4oz aureporting in. feeling very comfy.
>>60886597>you'll have to trade all of itWhy? It's fungible. That's kinda the point. Cut that bitch up. Weigh it and sell it. If I'm buying something and the guy wants a 1/2 oz of gold and all I got is an oz then I break out the pocket knife, I don't hand over the oz. You're horrible at business lol.
For the "nothing ever happens crowd" we are approaching the endgame for the US dollar.>This is the definition of broken:In 15 days, the Fed will cut rates for the first time in 2025, yet the 30Y Treasury Yield is now near 5.00%.>We have RISING interest rates as markets "price-in" Fed interest rate CUTS.>Do you realize what's happening?https://xcancel.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1962875968806064527For those who don't want to read the thread, I'll give a tldr; and follow through with the logical conclusion on how it ends.1. Lowering the Fed rate cause long term bonds to go up?-Fed rate only effects the short term t-bills. Long bond interest is determined by market demand. Lower short term interest rates signal higher inflation, causing the market to demand higher interest for longer term debt.2. Mortgage and car loan interest rates are priced based on the 10 year Treasury bond yield. Ie, lowering the Fed short term rates will cause mortgage and car loan interest rates to GO UP.3. The Federal government CANNOT afford to pay 5%+ interest on long term bonds. The interest is ALREADY eating over $1 trillion/year out of the budget.4. Since the US government cannot afford higher long term interest, but the market DEMANDS higher interest, the Federal Reserve must step in and do yield curve control, which means printing new money and buying the US government debt, Weimar style.5. This puts the US government into a debt spiral where the more money is printed, the higher inflation gets, which requires even MORE money printing, which pushes inflation even higher and this cycle continues until the US dollar dies.6. But wait, it gets worse. Since there are trillions of dollars held internationally OUTSIDE the US borders, and outside the US banking system, these foreigners WILL race to dump their US dollars as quickly as possible, greatly accelerating the US dollar inflation.
>>60886796>5gajillionoz ag>4bajillionoz au>RePoRtInG iN tHer! Pics or didn't happen. Show off your shinies faggot. We are all part dragon and like to look at shiny hoards.
>>60886827lol, he wasn’t even bragging about a very big stack chill
>>608868107. For US mortgage holders with a fixed 30 year interest term, inflation is a GOOD THING because their payments are made using less valuable dollars.8. For people on variable interest, they will get raped. Anyone with significant non-fixed debt will be crushed.9. People with gold and silver will do very well, as will the miners. Even if the dollar shits the bed, the mining companies can pay shareholders in certificates redeemable in metal.It didn't have to end this way, so make sure to properly thank your politicians for their service.
>>60886834Shhh nufag. It's called bantz. You can always go back.
>>60886845>so make sure to properly thank your politicians for their service.Don't forget the bankers
>>60886834I don't care if all you got is one shiny. I wanna see! If you only have one shiny I pretend your a tiny dragon and that's you're whole hoard. You don't even have a cave. The coin gets spent and you just move with it and the person has to explain how you (the tiny dragon) just comes with the coin. Is that weird?
bond markets are shitting themselves rn, any thoughts or am i the only guy interested in that stuff
>$40 silver>$3500 goldHoly smokes, I gotta stop at the coin shop tomorrow. We're in the endgame stages.
>>60886868I don't think putting pictures of your stack on any digital device, let alone the internet, is the best advice.
>>60886861>Don't forget the bankers
>>608867965.2oz au3oz agI love GOLD and went all in on that 3 years ago.
>>60886870>bond markets are shitting themselves rn, any thoughts or am i the only guy interested in that stuffNo, the bond markets are THE ONE THING they will save at any and all costs. Even at the cost of killing the dollar via inflation.
>>60886879Who is posting pictures of their stack? We all just pull our pictures off of eBay image search and ops. I don't own any PM's. These aren't mine.
>>60886925>Even at the cost of killing the dollar via inflation.It's more politically acceptable but will only push rates higher and higher. YCC will the only play and hyperinflation we go. Fiscal dominance hours frfr
>>60886925Qrd for us retards? I buy metal cause it looks prettier than paper and I like the sound it makes.500ag 3 pt and 4 au.Did I accidentally make it? >Tourist from pol that followed a cross post.
>>60886429>I found Halloween candy in my stack and it isn't even October yetThis is my worst nightmare, what if all of my silver and gold is fake? I wish I'd just bought Bitcoin, which is impossible to counterfeit.
>>60886879>I don't think putting pictures of your stack on any digital device, let alone the internet, is the best advice.I concur. When things get serious, governments get desperate, not unlike a drowning swimmer. Stackers will get called hoarders, money launderers, smugglers, tax cheats and demonized to where your neighbors will inform on you if they know you stack. Just like they reported on people who had too many houseguests during covid.They will use AI to scan through emails, text messages, phone camera rolls looking for pictures and texts relating to precious metals, do an image search/meta data search to see if the picture is an original, take the gps data encoded in the picture and issue an automated search warrant.If you say you had a boating accident, they put you in jail until you tell them where your stack is hidden. How long can they keep you in jail if you don't confess? They did it to one man for 14 years, picrel.
>gold $3540
>>60886946>It's more politically acceptable but will only push rates higher and higher. YCC will the only play and hyperinflation we go. Fiscal dominance hours frfrCorrect. There's no escape once you enter the hotel california of debt spiral. The endgame is the death of the currency. Unfortunately for us, there are worldwide higher order effects that will follow the collapse of the US dollar.
>>60886968>Qrd for us retards?Stack beans, bullets, bullion and get the fuck out of big cities and places with excess diversity if you want to live.
>>60886977>I wish I'd just bought Bitcoin, which is impossible to counterfeit.He hasn't heard of the 51% attack.
>>60886810>yield curve controlOnly thing that needs to be said. Owarida
Its time
>>60886879This. Never understood why everyone on here is so anxious to post their stack, which should be between you and God. No one else. Fucking plebs.
>>60886925No I've been following too. Fun times ahead.
>>60887054
>>608867961270oz Ag6.7oz Au1oz Pt
>>60886581those shorts dont have to worry about losing fiatthey are proxy government entities which only care that the public's perception of fiat having value continues
>>60887074Indeed, y'all will all worship the Chad of non physical garbage rock
>>60887021as long as i live to see the state of Israel and the final expulsions, i'm happy
>>60887151>they are proxy government entities which only care that the public's perception of fiat having value continuesI believe this is the case. The shorts are ultimately backstopped by the Federal Reserve. They can't stop the tide, but they can help prevent a tsunami. TWICE today we approached $41.00, and TWICE someone stepped in and tamped the price back down. The last time today was at $40.99.
>y'all
>>60887174>as long as i live to see the state of Israel and the final expulsions, i'm happyIf you can survive the coming WW3, you probably will. Imagine if people of the world discovered that Israel was behind Covid?
>>60886810How does the market determine long-term bond interest? The Fed has the ability to offer bonds at whatever rates they want, same as with short-term paper.
>>60887233The Treasury Dept issues bonds, not the Fed. The Fed sets the overnight rate for bank lending.
>>60887233Rates are determined by the buying and selling of bonds in the market which determines the yields on these fixed income instruments. Fed doesn't offer any bonds the treasury does.
Wow paper silver is unraveling. $14 incoming
>>60886810Those foreign holders of US dollars need US dollars for their USD denominated debt, it’s not as reductive as “everyone will doomp” when CPI goes up.
>>60887160>worshipYou clearly eat out of a dumpsterWe're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you. Moron.
>>60886968>Did I accidentally make it?Yes
>>60887249>>60887233>Rates are determined by the buying and selling of bonds in the marketThis. Also when bonds are first issued, it's an auction by the Treasury, so in both cases it's based on market demand, and right now foreigners do NOT particularly want US Treasuries. Most Treasuries are now owned by US entities such as banks and pension funds who have been "incentivized" (forced) by the tax code to buy them. Over 60% of US government debt is owed to US entities.One of the ironies (scams) is that ALL of the social security surplus was "loaned" to the Federal government and spent, leaving special Social Security IOUs.The US government is going to monetize (print) the $150 trillion needed to financie the boomer's retirement and medical obligations.
>>60887219speaking of Israel, is anyone showing their support by buying a new PAMP star of David gold bar? only $750 goy sheckels. (priced $200 above spot for the cattle)
>>60887407Not to mention all the Cayman island buying of our treasuries, that would be the stable coin issuers. I don't have the stats off the top of my head but they are very large holders of US debt and growing.
>>60887417BEGONE DEMON
>>60886439>100 DOLLAR SILVERhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=C08KbQmfe94
>>60887386>>60886968>>Did I accidentally make it?>YesNot if he lives in a bad part of Chicago when the lights go out. I don't care if you have 100kg of gold. Niggers gonna nig.
>>60887417I am vomit desu.
>>60887441>Not to mention all the Cayman island buying of our treasuriesThose are hedge funds and they are buying almost exclusively T-bills. (1 year and under duration) Same with Lichtenstein and the City of London.Only the suckers at the poker table are buying long duration US debt.https://youtu.be/y2epkHm6dXE
>>60887417I regret that I had only one foreskin to give for Israel.
>>60887484>>60887464>>60887444kEK. Remember just last month Trump threatened a 40% tax on Swiss gold? Now he removed the tariff and the first product PAMP starts making after the news is a star of David bar. Really makes you ((((WONDER))))
>>60887470Tether is believe is domiciled in the Caymans. In any case the stablecoin issuers are buying treasuries. They've become substantial holders at this point.
>>60887506I'll bet proceeds are meant to go to Israel
>>60887516Its definitely some sort of humiliation ritual
>>60887509>Tether is believe is domiciled in the Caymans.You are 100% correct. Tether is using short term T-Bill paper. This doesn't really help the US government very much, as it has to roll that debt over at least every year.https://blockworks.co/news/tether-says-usdt-stablecoin-now-backed-by-t-billsThere is very little demand for long term US debt. The Treasury interest volatility creates enormous downside risk for anyone dumb enough to buy long US paper.
>>60887453I have more trees on my property than there are niggers in the nearest town so I'm good.
>>60887516>I'll bet proceeds are meant to go to IsraelAlmost certainly, and you can bet every fucking Jew graduating from high school will get one as a graduation present.
>>60887554
First try at a 3D image of my nugget.
Some young friends a couple in their 20s want to start slowly stacking gold while saving for a house separately.I've explained it's really long term savings that hedge against inflation etc. , but do you all think they should or is it too late to start with the gold and silver prices so high?Just kidding they really are going to start slowly buying hold but of course it's a good idea:D
>>60887506I don't wonder at all. If a jew sperm bank was robbed I'd assume trump did it.
>>60887600Very nice:)
>>60887608as long as they are not buying meme dragon bars and shit like that. If you invest in precious metals you should own govt bullion coins. More easily recognized and has tax benefits in your home country
Source:https://x.com/TFMetals/status/1962929139138150450
>>60887619Look mongoloid we pay 21% tax on silver here so I mainly buy gold. And got this close to spot when gold was 2300 euro.
>>60887608>is it too late to start with the gold and silver prices so highAs someone pointed out upthread, gold and silver will never go down long term in US dollars. The M2 money supply just keeps going vertical.
>>60887638Absolutely
>>60887608>>60887619tell your friends to acquire silver, the metal on the periodic table of elements Ag, any way they can. As low a premium as possible. Houses are about to get hit hard by interest rates going up when they start to lower them soon.
>>60887634>we pay 21% tax on silver hereEven on sovereign mint coins?I know that in Bulgaria, despite the fact that sovereign mint coins are exempt from the 20% VAT, premiums are stupid high, but sovereign mint gold coins, also exempt from VAT, have relatively low premiums, so gold is a much better value in Bulgaria.
>>60887039Even if you did a 51% attack, and no one ever has, it doesn't mean you can steal whatever you want. At best you could roll back recent transactions in which you'd sent coin.
>>60887651Thank you for the input fren but they have good jobs and can comfortably save for a house. Abd with a 21% silver tax here gold is just a decent side saving method for 10+ years down the line for be that later purchases, kuds or retirement, which imo is never a bad idea.
>>60887662>Even if you did a 51% attack, and no one ever has, it doesn't mean you can steal whatever you want. At best you could roll back recent transactions in which you'd sent coin.What's the value of a bitcoin when there is no longer integrity of transactions?>Race to the exits?
>>60886429its ot funny if you laugh at the joke.stop it, you are supposed to be offended
>>60887655Yeah about the same here. We can buy silver second hand to lower tax or even drive say to France but gold is just a way more realistic option. Especially for beginner stickers.
>>60887683>obsessed
>>60887672The unemployment rate in the United States and a lot of the world is going to go up when the rates go up.
>>60887600Second try, different facet on my nugget>>60887617Thanks! Someone actually had the glasses for this!
>>60887600>>60887735Boy this here is SBS format territory. We don't take kindly to Anaglyph.
>>60887693Bitcoin is a great way to tranfer money across international borders. It isn't money, and I don't personally consider it a store of value because it has counterparty risk. It's effectively a debt obligation, similar as a bank account.
>>60887735What's the weight?
>GSR dropped to 1:86>Not because Silver dumped, but because Gold moonshot over $3500Holy fuck, this is insane.
A 2% move is a lot larger at $40 than it was $20. Probably going to be harder to contain the higher the price goes because the derivatives will sting that much more on the way up.
>>60887742>this here is SBS format territoryKek... I'll see what I can do.>>608877529.5 grams total. The tungsten plinth is a one inch cube.
sovs aren't stupid for burgers to buy, right?
WHY THE FUCK IS GOLD RISING SO FAST - Preferably in haiku format
>>60887714when shit hits the fan, gonna need lots of farmers, butchers, gunsmiths, ammo products, distillers, security and noose makers. most likely gonna be piles of dead, unprepared virtue signaling faggots that til their last thinking moment believe big daddy guvmint finna save them. but in all seriousness, this shit gonna be real. this is now a land filled with millions folks popping anti-depressants, psychotics and zanax. motherfuckers will spazz out when the supply runs out. i have multiple buckets of popcorn. been waiting, no deus ex machina will come down and save us. >long nose tribesmen beware, not even khazar milkers with nose jobs will save any of the females this time…DNA tests are available. no crypto jews, conversos, mischlings or marranos are going to evade capture and death by impalement this time. cheers lads!ban me mods dont care no more. kekekek
>>60887823Fiscal dominanceLong end yields explodingNo one wants your bonds
>>60887858Yield is 1 syllable
>>60887742Parallel.
>>60887875Fuck
>>60886489>I can't believe that fiat is losing value so fast.>I can't believe that fiat is losing value so fast.>I can't believe that fiat is losing value so fast.And this is still slow motion to a zoomie...
>>60886598What so you can not afford the 501st ounce with the 25 fedbux on your monster box of 500?"N"
>>60887899I was waiting for the price to get closer to monument's price
>>60887683that hideous, failed male, mental patient on the left. troons will be be some of the first waves lynched, after the financiers that wear funny little hats…
>>60887879I like stereopairs. was this 2 separate shots or did you get a stereo camera?
>>60887612mandatory meme
>>60886489The end of the gold standard and debasement started 50 years ago.
>>60887823The worldy bonds snapAutumn cold sends a shiverWe seek golden warm
>>60887851
>>60887979>warmWarmth, fucking autocorrect
>>60887943
>>60887934These are two separate shots. Unconventionally, I nudged the nugget itself, not the plinth nor move the camera. Yes, that caused some odd adjustments, but it works.
>>60886810 Took some small liberties in changing a few things:>1. Lowering the Fed rate cause long term bonds to go up? >-Fed rate only effects the short term t-bills. Long bond interest is determined by market demand. Lower short term interest rates signal higher inflation, causing the market to demand higher interest for longer term debt. >>2. Mortgage and car loan interest rates are priced based on the 10 year Treasury bond yield. Ie, lowering the Fed short term rates will cause mortgage and car loan interest rates to GO UP. >>3. The Federal government CANNOT afford to pay 5%+ interest on long term bonds. The interest is ALREADY eating over $1 trillion/year out of the budget. >>4. Since the US government cannot afford higher long term interest, but the market DEMANDS higher interest, the Federal Reserve must step in and do yield curve control, which means printing new currency and buying the US government debt, Weimar style. >>5. This puts the US government into a debt spiral where the more currency is printed, the higher inflation gets, which requires even MORE currency printing, which pushes inflation even higher and this cycle continues until the Fedral Reserve notes called the US dollar dies. >>6. But wait, it gets worse. Since there are trillions of fedral reserve notes called dollars held internationally OUTSIDE the US borders, (probably duplicate serial numbers printed by black ops CIAniggers) and outside the US banking system, these foreigners WILL race to dump their fedral reserve notes called US dollars as quickly as possible, greatly accelerating the US dollar INFLATION, and inevitable destruction as planned in the forgery, counterfeit, conspiracy theory protocols of the learned elders of zion (wink wink) so as to return to a metals standard (because metal is money) with digital tokens for the goyim fractionalied into oblivion by the Satan worshipping kiddie diddlers who created the FED in the first place. all fixed. Currency ≠ money
>>60886845> didn't have to end this way, so make sure to properly thank your politicians for their service.Fucking Everyone Daily
>>60886861>Don't forget the bankersFucking Everyone Daily
>>60886845Even fixed rate debtors may be fucked. Remember who the government works for (hint: it isn't you). They can change the terms of your mortgage with the stroke of a pen. National Security, you know.
>>60887994>Unconventionally, I nudged the nugget itself, not the plinth nor move the camera.interesting!I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense though. worked good, I can see the depth nicely
>>60886985>If you say you had a boating accident, they put you in jail untilYour trusted bois convert some metal to bail you out, or break you out if that's not an option.
>>60887160anyone got a collection of the pajeet's sad fedposting?
>>60886985The government will have WAY bigger fish to fry than a few stackers they must risk death to fuck with. And not only will they have bigger fish to fry, they will have nothing with which to pay anyone to fry them. PMs are the LEAST likely asset to be confiscated because literally every other asset is easier.
>>60887910Cute traps get a pass in the ethnostate. Someone's got to be the pussy pass union buster.
>>60887059>Berg!
>>60887997I stand corrected. Only gold and silver are money.
>>60886810
>>60887219Take note that the syringe plunger wasn't pushed...
geiger made apmex bars?
>>60888020>Even fixed rate debtors may be fucked.You're right. Banks will almost certainly have some force majeure clause, even in fixed interest rate mortgages.Jews know all the angles to play.
>>60887242>The Treasury Dept issues bonds, not the Fed. The Fed sets the overnight rate for bank lending.
>>60888047>The government will have WAY bigger fish to fry than a few stackers they must risk death to fuck with.That is almost certainly true in the USA. 400 million+ privately owned firearms makes governments much more polite and cordial and respectful of property rights.The opposite case holds in UK and much of western Europe though.
>>60888082Idk if thats thee Geiger, but this 1g JM Bullion gold bar in the bottom of the pic says 'Made in Germany' on the back and has the same Geiger case. And...1/2
>>60888066saved
>>608880822/2 the top 10toz bar on the right was made by Geiger for Kzoo.
>>60887823Whispers of rate cuts,Markets fear what lies ahead—Gold clings to panic
>>60888107>>60888112Their logo is on the back so it most likely is. I wonder if there is a full list of all the shops they make things for.
>>60887879Based thanks, nice nuggie
>>60888076>Take note that the syringe plunger wasn't pushed...NZ politicians gave themselves vaccine exemptions and most French and UK politicians gave themselves placebo injections. I think there is near zero chance that Netanyajew actually took the poison himself. Neither did Justin Castro.
>>60888112Those are some chonky bois.
>>60888125That's cool!>>60888132Justin Treadu is related to Dom DeLuise?!?!
>>60888107Goldbacks are sweet. Great for spendable gold, shitty for stacking due to the high premium. I think they are esthetically beautiful.They really have to be seen in person to appreciate their beauty.
>>60888144I've never seen one in real life are they fragile?
>>60887813Chyna
>>6088818968 mm luther
dare i ask about gold ETFs here?
>>60888211During periods of lower risk/higher certainty they're a decent way of getting metals exposure in a portfolio without having the deal with handling physical product, however they're hugely over-leveraged in terms of shares:physical and highly vulnerable to a collapse if the withdrawals - either by sales of ETF shares or conversion of shares to physical by institutions - force a run on the fund. This makes them highly undesirable during a period of high uncertainty/a market crisis.
>>60888161>I've never seen one in real life are they fragile?Yes and no. They are two sheets of tough polyester with the gold foil laminated. They can withstand handling quite well but not being folded, so bill holders need to be full size. Also because the different denominations have different amounts of gold, they are different sizes which is something we're not used to.Everyone who has held one has been captivated by it.They are absolutely georgous though and we gave a Goldback to our Premier suggesting we get them made for our Province. Perhaps after we become independent.
>>60888118$700 an oz is my official sell number. That is when I trade the women for moar metal...
>>60888211>dare i ask about gold ETFs here?Sure. Here's my opinion.In all seriousness, if you want to DAY TRADE gold or silver, an ETF is the way to go. The premiums on buying and selling physical are prohibitive, but owning an ETF is NOT owning the metal. It's exactly like owning a picture of the metal or an NFT of a picture of the metal.
>>60888202
>>60888222Women will never be worth 700 an ounce
>>60888202So conflicted by everything this coin represents, but having daughters that I care about, I can appreciate it.
>>60888240it even features the not so fatman with sword
>Check silver price charts over time>43% growth in 1 year>Only 129% in 5 yearsThat's not inflation... this year has had almost no inflation compared to the Biden years. That's a price growth several times faster than it was during the covfefe years even when practical inflation was 30%.
dhl is just not shipping to the us at all for now?
>>60888218>During periods of lower risk/higher certaintyare we currently in this situation? I'm a newfag to investing in general. I was thinking of putting a few grand into PMGOLD as a way to get started as i'm too socially retarded to go into the city to buy real product.
>>60888240I’m pro gun rights, but let’s be honest, at least the women on the right weren’t allowed to fuck 20 different men before settling down in a marriage. Sorry I just can’t take women seriously after they have exposed themselves for what they truly are, especially armed women like female cops. How many women do you know stack precious metals? They have zero foresight on such matters. They are emotional, poor decision makers without proper guidance, narcissistic in that they are driven to maximize the amount of attention that they receive, and they are mostly financially destructive
>>60888257Yup, rules are so messy or straight up non-existant about this whole tariff retardness, a lot of postal services in the EU simply decided they wont ship to the US until this get fixed. It's the same here. Now if i want to send anything to the US, i have to declare $0.00 of value for the parcel otherwise it's automatically dismissed.That was to be expected, the combo of incredibly kafkaian uberslow administration + Bloumpf sharting out ideas from his magic hat every 2min, this couldn't end up smoothly.And desu it will probably take months before this issue get solved.Bad days if you are a collector from the US wanting to buy european items, that's for sure.
>>60887823Unbeatable ThingUSD, has come and goneUnbeatable Thing
>>60886602not even the €uro cucked out at 3k03.09.2025Start tracking the dates bros, the next 1k WILL be broken next year, maybe the next two.
>>60888278>t. virgin
>>60888144Goldbacks are goofy and high premium makes them worthless. No normies know what they are. I don’t want anything resembling fiat dollars. I want gold currency to be a coin like intended. If someone offered me some goldbacks to trade for a gold coin I would laugh at them. Goldbacks look like a shitty meme with poorly drawn anime hookers.
>>60888293>Start tracking the dates brosi mean, if we start to zoom out a bit too much it furiously looks like we already are in full Weimar mode.
>>60888286Hypothetically, let’s say that the Supreme Court rules that tariffs must be removed. Wouldn’t that be deflationary and cause metals to drop?
>>60888308>looks likeAs a german, I am offended, kek.
>>60888308>already are in full Weimar modeYep!
what do you guys fathom the breaking point will be? $50? $100?There has to be a point where a boomer/C-Suite homo looks at the current price, looks again in disbelief, zooms out, then frantically starts to google for gold shops near him
I wrote that like a tard, need to go to bed.$50, $100 for Silver, or $4000, $5000, $10000 for gold?Also which one will it be that breaks the camel's back?Shit like this happens ever so slowly, then all at once.
>>60888315
>>60888312Deflationary isn't the correct term, and no, i don't think it would have any meaningful impact on PMs. What's at play rn is the fall of the world's currency and the collapse of the US empire. And the failing of the neoliberal model. PMs simply act as canaries in the coal mine and there is no stopping what's coming, you'd need at least half a century of drastic measures and total system/societal changes (TKD) to reverse the trend.In a sense, we stackers are doomed to win. But that will be a bitter win. At least we will have something, the majority of others wont.
>>60888239>Women will never be worth 700 an ounceYou miss "sell" the women I seeKeked
>>60888326main bull thesis on gold is that it will be revalued higher to bring down the national debt. If the public believes this will happen, it will cause a gold rush 2.0. Some people argue that deflation will cause gold to collapse, this includes economic depression, AI increasing efficiencies, labor force imploding, etc. but in fact the government could just default on the debt if that happens, driving gold higher
>>60888336Love this video.
I'm calling it for platinum, I think it's having a palladium moment soon.Basically I got in at 1200 (earlier than that officially, but platinum has high premiums), so I'm only up 200 right now.I fully expect to be up 2,000 in a few years. 70% of platinum comes from South Africa, and the demand is remaining stable but the supply is tanking - and retail investment for platinum basically didn't exist 20 years ago, but now it's slowly cranking up and people are starting to stockpile it. Gold and Silver will get sold off and retail will suppress prices if they get too high, there's not platinum floating around out there. All they can do is pray that South Africa produces more of it if it gets too expensive.
>>60888315True, it will be Weimar but with racial civil war + demographic collapse + richfags flight + zero national cohesion + AI technosurveillance this time lol. We are in for a hell of a ride brothers.
>>60886810>we are approaching the endgame for the US dollarSo what does that mean for the country? Does society collapse and we go into mad max mode? People go ape shit crazy over shortages during crisis (covid-19 shortages, water/fuel shortages during weather events, etc..). I can't imagine how things will look if shit really did hit the fan in this country. It's going to be a bloodbath out there
>>60888354It's such a pain in the ass to find if you aren't in the US tho, it really make me seethe. I've been trying to find 1oz for a year+ but there is fucking nothing without a +100% premium where i live.I too believe it's primed for a megabullrun, and i'm getting eurocucked out of it ffs.
>>60888364To be fair, I was silver stacking at the time, so I only bought a single ounce, and any additional ounces I find will be 1,500+.>>60888354Adding to this one for platinum sisters>Nonetheless, the market dynamics explaining platinum’s bull run this year could not be any clearer. According to figures from the World Platinum Investment Council (WPIC), 2025 is the third straight year in which the metal has registered a supply deficit of nearly one million troy ounces out of an approximate eight-million-troy-ounce annual market. “The platinum market is in a structural deficit,” Edward Sterck, director of research at WPIC, recently acknowledged to MarketWatch, with 2024’s shortfall of 992,000 ounces being the “deepest” since 2013. Sterck also projected a deficit of 966,000 ounces to materialise this year.Only 8 million ounce market, and a 1 million ounce deficit. That's a deficit of 1/8th of the entire production of platinum in a given year. This has also been happening for the past three years, and is projected to happen this year. How much platinum did they have stockpiled? Significantly less than gold, nobody stockpiles platinum. Some countries, like the USA and China, have strategic stockpiles, but they don't have hundreds of years of private investment stockpiles of said metals. There is no "fort knox" filled with platinum.
>>60888363>So what does that mean for the country?Hard reset. That will be incredibly painfull since you don't even have the industrial infrastructure left for the most basic needs, and nearly half your population isn't american.We really need to ponder this for a minute. At peak boomer retirement in 6 years from now, there will be 1 active worker having to financially support 2 inactive adults. The next generation is overwhelmingly non-white.Are we ready to leave our parents when they are the most vulnerable in the hands of foreigners who have zero connexion with us?Are we to believe these shitskins will peacefully accept to pay 70% of their salary in taxes to sustain the lifestyle/healthcare of white boomers in the coming decades?I think it's questions we really have to think about very carefully. All these euthanasy laws aren't being brute forced by chance. The fact shitskins doctors coming here can have a PhD equivalence and practice after just a year is extremely dangerous. When financial incentives will come per boomer euthanazied, do you really think Dr Jeet will hesitate even for a picosecond to inject your mom in the retirement home?I'm talking about this because just yesterday i read about the new law authorizing the euthanasia of tutelled adults. So at any given time the hospital can decide to declare your parents unfit to take their own decision, then decide what's best for them is death. All while importing people who have zero ethnic/social/historical boundary with us to do the dirty job.All while the western states are in full banqueroute mode.A genocide of our elders is coming, and it's coming FAST.
>>60888419>t. increasingly more concerned elder
>>60888423Kek, unmasked
>>60888354https://jensendavid.substack.com/p/china-imports-46-of-global-platinum
>>60888430>vacuum all the gold>vacuum all the silver>vacuum all the platinum>vacuum everythingChina is eating good lately.
>>60888265You can buy gold online from any of several trustworthy vendors. See the sticky. Unless you are blessed with diversity in your neighborhood, getting gold and silver by mail is safe. Paper gold is not safe.
>>60888419to be fair boomers asked for this. We realized we weren't having enough kids to keep the social security ponzi going, and even worse our kids weren't having kidsso we decided to import taxpayers to keep SSI going. We figured we'd be long gone before that came back to bite us in the ass, and we were probably right. euthanizing dementia patients is probably fine. They're already dead anyways. You turn into a potted plant and don't even know who you are.
>>60888419>So at any given time the hospital can decide to declare your parents unfit to take their own decision, then decide what's best for them is death. All while importing people who have zero ethnic/social/historical boundary with us to do the dirty job.>>60888104>400 million+ privately owned firearmsThat's a lot of dead non-American doctors as a result.
>>60888278>but let’s be honest, at least the women on the right weren’t allowed to fuck 20 different men before settling down in a marriage. I'm not arguing 1 bit. That's why the comment says "tempting, but">How many women do you know stack precious metals? They have zero foresight on such matters. They are emotional, poor decision makers without proper guidance, narcissistic in that they are driven to maximize the amount of attention that they receive, and they are mostly financially destructive Again, no argument, I said I have daughters... I love them dearly and only want them to be afforded the right to consent, not whore. Many of the last few generations haven't had real fathers in their lives so they're all fucked up, and even the ones who did have them, they have overdeveolped daddy issues. So what is one to do? The coin you posted commemorative of the 400 years after the protestant movement in the city where the printer originated. So many wonderful things came of that, and so many horrible things as well. But it's not a matter of good vs. bad, just is, and how is it used. Examples? Print debts or print bibles? One to enslave, one to free. Interesting huh?
>>60888312The tariffs are a way to bully the world into a plaza accords 2. So that some of our debt and liquidity problems get eased. If the plan falls through, we won't have a way to save the usd from losing reserve status.In other words, no tariffs means very short term bearish for pm and bullish long term.
>>60888430>>60888436When will the schlorping stop? I just want my comfy 3.3 gold-plat ratio back, but I don't think it's coming back... Now the gold-palladium ratio is 3.0 and its 10 year historical low was .6, at one point within the last 10 years palladium was worth more than gold by a significant margin.Now palladium has shitted itself. I don't even know what I should do anymore, realistically we're looking at a huge platinum SURGE, but it's already 50% higher than it was last year while palladium is probably never gonna be cheaper than it is right now - and palladium is 15x more rare than platinum, so over the long term it beats both gold and platinum significantly in terms of lack of supply, and has only recently been used in any meaningful quantity, so 30 years from now I could retire on it probably.I don't know, too many choices.
Need a more trained eye, I feel like I see an S but it could be a D. Crossing my fingers cuz its a 1916 merc dime I found in my stack, and of course its the most worn lol
>>60888419As a Canadian our MAID numbers are way to high and are growing dramatically each year. There is most definitely a kick back. I know a handful of boomers who have used the service but the most recent one is the most eerie.>old Italian widow>other than needing a mobility push chair she is healthy>keeps up good conversation>always asks about my boy and what he's up to>see her multiple times a week>weeks go by and we stop seeing her>neighbor asks if I'm going to go over to her place to take any contents>find out that she passed>ask neighbor what happened>he says she passed in her sleep>bullshit.jpg>go to house to look at contents and speak to the daughters best friend>she let's it slip that MAID was used>doctors convinced her she would be at peace with her husband againShe was walking around chatting one week, the next being convinced her husband is waiting for her on the other side all you need to do is go for a long sleep. It really rubbed me the wrong way. The kids are glad she is gone because they can now travel freely instead of checking in on their elderly mother. My suspicion is they helped fill out the paperwork or approved her offing herself because nobody seemed remorseful or upset. They were elated and joyful. Sickening.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>60888438>You can buy gold onlineI felt as though shipping costs would counteract profit. Is it worth paying for shipping or should I just stop being a pussy and buy irl.>Unless you are blessed with diversity in your neighborhoodI live in a decent spot. Most ethnics here are southern european/middle eastern, which makes for plenty of definitely-not-money-laundering jewellery stores on the main street. Not sure whether buying from those sorts of places would be wise.
>>60888308Shhhhhh!I wanna stak moar!
>above ground, known supply of silver is 1.05 billion ounces>divided by 258.3 million American adults is only 4 ounces per American adultSilver is rarer than I thought after seeing those numbers.
>>60886630use a virtual mail box. PO boxes are expensive and usually minimum 3 month term. you can get a virtual mail box for $10/month, month to month lease. It's just a private run PO box.imo just pay the $10 for the disposable virtual mail box. the set would be sent to "Current Resident", would only need the box # and hub address. can throw away the mail box later.also, threadly frenopolis reminder:not for sale. free via mail request. no identifying or payment info required.>>>/tg/96450424
>>60888491If you can buy from a store in person with cash you should consider it. As that one anon pointed out above they might try to use AI to sniff through email and records to find out who holds PMs.
>>60888477man that's fucking terrifying. The government is straight up devilish lol. Do we even have any remnant of moral fiber left in our societies?But on the other hand... the economic situation is about to become so incredibly dire, i think a lot of lawmakers truly think killing the elders is the only solution left to preserve their cozy lifestyle. And the elites above considering us as cattle laugh their way to the bank. Fucking grim..
>>60888355It’s going to fucking suck. The country will be third world, no one will be able to afford anything, no one will have cars or feeding of movement, permanent renters, ai chip implants, govt digital basic income for food and rent a box, no one will have jobs, we will basically have our souls sucked out of us by AI until we die off en masse and forced to worship the beast system. I just hope I die or the Lord of Hosts returns before this shit happens. The future of children will be very bleak
>>60888540>Paralympian Christine Gauthier Offered MAID Instead of Home Support. When she requested a wheelchair lift for her home—a basic support—she was reportedly told by a Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) employee: “We can offer you MAID” if she was too desperate, instead of providing the lift.How many of these cases go unknown or are carried out? The government gave the doctors the nod to do it, but in the end I blame the doctors. No morals. Void of any care. It's a means to an end and will get worse as time goes on. Anyways. Back to metals
Where do you all get gold and silver at? Costco? Asking for a friend.
>>60888419>They have to come here and kill me LEGALLYthe death rattle of the boomer
>>60888319$100. $50 might get CNBC talking about it briefly. $100 is a strong psychological number. That's when normies will dig out the sock drawer and count their ASE and realize they're sitting on $5600.
>>60888440Speak for yourself, amigo.
>>60888529>they might try to use AI to sniff through email and records to find out who holds PMs.for what purpose?
>>60888608Confiscation
>>60888608confiscation >>60886985
>>60888491I've purchased 98% of my PMs by mail.
>>60888608You should also delete all social media they are harvesting all of your data, tracking your every movement, all of your connections, facial recognition, recording all financial transactions. they will eventually use it against us. “Please surrender all your gold and firearms or a demolition drone will be sent to your home”
>>60888502rare oc meme
>>60888615>>60888616>creating a situation where a group of pissed off red/black pilled dudes have nothing to live for
>>60888642They're fine with you dying, they're fine with cops dying too.
>>60888615So they go after the MOST difficult asset to confiscate? Bank accounts, real estate, stocks, bonds, vehicles: ALL registered, signed, sealed, with contact information. ALL can be confiscated with the push of a button. But you think they are going to risk life and limb, going door to door, digging up yards and dodging bullets to track down personal stacks of PMs? Not going to happen. Who would even do it? The Feds don't have anything remotely like enough agents for a door to door confiscation. And local LEOs are going to nope out of that assignment at the first drop of blood.
>>60888525Yeah, industrial metal moment.It's a precious metal, yet at the same time is used in pretty much every "green energy" thing out there, it's used in every car, it's used in even non-advanced industries because of how conductive it is.One billion ounces for a whole planet is basically nothing. That could be here and gone in a decade. When you're measuring an industrial metal in ounces instead of tons and most of said metal doesn't get recycled often a crisis is looming.
>>60888301>Goldbacks are goofy and high premium makes them worthless. Half true, they are very high premium, but nearly everyone whose hand I put a Goldback in wanted one. Some people offered me money for them. Others went out and bought their own. Some started selling them for profit.>No normies know what they are. True. We attended a course taught by someone from Utah and he had never heard of Goldbacks, even though Utah is the first State where they became legal tender.>I don’t want anything resembling fiat dollars. I want gold currency to be a coin like intended.Goldbacks look nothing like any currency anywhere in the world. You can see they are real gold, Nothing matches the beauty of a gold mirror. Goldbacks are the only practical small denomination gold specie money that I've seen. A one gram gold coin like the "Maplegram" is worth over $100USD and is about the size of the top 1 mm of a pencil eraser. It is too small in physical size to be of practical use, yet too large in deonomination to be able to be used for small purchases.I will say again, Goldbacks are a terrible way to STACK gold, but the BEST way I've ever seen to SPEND specie.We could go to a tokenized gold blockchain at say 1 miligram, redeemable for physical in increments of one gram, but digital tokens aren't specie, just like gold certificates aren't gold, because redeemability can be turned off at a whim.Goldbacks are physical manifestation of gold specie that is: -counterfeit resistant -tamper evident -resistant to "clipping" -non destructively testable-durable-very beautifulAs a "voluntary" legal tender no one is forced to use them, but their growing popularity, with Florida being the latest, and the increasing number denominations, ranging from 1/2 Goldback to 100 Goldback notes suggests there IS a popular demand for them.Having a ready to go alternative "legal tender" waiting in the wings for the death of the Federal Reserve Notes is a very good idea.
>>60888315>As a german, I am offended, kek.There's two ways to look at Weimar. You do know what came afterwards? Maybe this time will be different?
>>60888660>that look>that dogWhite girls never change.
>>60888301>>60888660I'm not reading all of this, as to not taint my testimony.I bought 100 of them when they were like 2.50 each, handed them out as presents every once in a while. Normgroids love them, though not quite as much as they love a 1oz chunk of silver it only cost me a couple bucks vs silver's higher price. If I handed one of them a silver dime that cost the same they'd let it fall out of their pocket and not care, but they all keep the goldback carefully saved somewhere.
The strategy really was that simple.
>>60888666Those digits. Mega checked
>>60888660I think you have given a complete and fair description. The one thing I would add is that to some extent they are "art" and as such, reasonable minds can differ on the aesthetic quality.
>>60888692NGL, it's hilarious just watching the value of my stack go up as seemingly nothing else is a safe asset, I was completely unemployed for the past 3 years living like a hermit, not even checking stock or PM prices or anything like that, and my net worth has only increased.I can already survive with just the labor my hands produce, but when you stack it's like life on easy mode. The truest form of "passive income" there is.
>>60888669>but they all keep the goldback carefully saved somewhere.They really are unique and beautiful to look at. I have one I can see from my bed and from time to time just take out of it's sleeve and hold it because of the way it captures the light.I spend much more time enjoying a Goldback note than I do a 1 oz gold Maple that stays locked in the safe. One is worth $5kCDN and the other is worth $10CDN.https://youtu.be/pGBcfUiQu_whttps://youtu.be/QuVTHS_nAOchttps://youtu.be/8rhO7TRp6z8I also like the theme of using women named after the latin virtues like Prudentia, Victoria, Justitia, etc but I believe that was only done for the original Utah runs. The art could be better in my opinion, but the basic concept is very nice.
>>60888709>The one thing I would add is that to some extent they are "art" and as such, reasonable minds can differ on the aesthetic quality.100% correct. I find some Goldback themes more appealing than others. The gold in them gives them all a distinctive beauty and I believe over time the art will get better.
>>60888660I bought some goldbacks after APMEX sent me a free one. They are neat and I do like them as a novelty investment I own. The concept is neat. And, even if I were to only buy a few of the lower denominations to fill out an order, the trader in me really has to speak out:By the time you accumulate 1oz of gold in goldbacks you will damn near spend twice as much as if you just bought bullion. I can entertain some of the smaller goldbacks only costing $3.75-$10 because the dollar value is so tiny and it's cool to have divisible gold like this. But it's nothing that junk silver can't accomplish at an ALREADY preferable GSR ratio. I won't lie, I DO want a 100 & 50 goldback just to see how heavy it is and enjoy the collection aspect of it. But a $700 goldback is just as much as a 1/10 bullion coin! For every gram I have of goldbacks, the cost says I should have 2. There is simply no getting away from it. Even grams of gold are often overpriced, but now they are doubled? Na, bad investment. Just like a lot of novelty silver used to to soak up "newbie" investment capital with credit premium. I actually do think the front-lines of retail bullion sales are geared towards finding ways to turn stacking in to "collecting". They want you to spend $80 per ounce of the special series instead of just slurping tubes. Same is true of gold!
50oz gold2000oz silver1 million USD in miners
Flipped a 40k GLD call for a 2x today. Bought it Friday before close.Sold too early though it would’ve been 150%
>>60888758Tbh I'd never buy gold fractionals besides goldbacks, but buying a few of them is a very easy way of just having some gold. I bought them as a joke years ago and now have over 500 dollars in gold, whereas before I'd have zero because I just am not interested in some 1/10oz fractional.I see no problem spending a small percentage of my investments on novelties as long as it isn't the majority of the stack, and a goldback is a neat novelty that I've used a couple times just as a gift to someone - it's actually usable.I don't even know if I'd ever stack gold, I look at the price of 1oz gold and realize that I could just buy all silver instead, even if gold is technically supposed to be the "safer" option.Yeah, the newbies are bound to waste a few thousand doing dumb stuff before they have their system down, but if that's ever enough to effect their investments / accumulation they were NGMI and dead on arrival anyway.
>>60888774>94% ytd
>>60888784Gdx, gdxj, nugt, sil, silj, various individual miners and some calls on miners. Zero GLD or ETFs, I have physical for that.
>>60888790Damned impressive, good job anon.
>>60888774Seems like the real investors in this general own mining stocks as well. I see it pop up here regularly but we don't give it much discussion.
>>60888796I have enough physical to buy anything I would need if shit really hits the fan. The big % gains are in miners though.
>>60888294No, he's right and your virgin post proves his point.
>>60888796>>60888808only while casino lights still on. if collapse is bad enough, speculative positions with counter party risk are unreliable at best
>>60888822Probably why he got as much physical as he'll need first.
>>60888758>By the time you accumulate 1oz of gold in goldbacks you will damn near spend twice as much as if you just bought bullion.100% correct. You cannot think of it as "gold". It CONTAINS gold, but there is a hefty "seigniorage" fee.Goldbacks are shitty for "stacking" for exactly the reasons you've outlined. Goldbacks are perfect for "spending" because that seigniorage fee is a permanent part of the value of the Goldback.One Goldback is worth EXACTLY $7.02. It IS money so there is no BUY/SELL commission. Unlike a silver or gold Eagle or Maple where I go to the coin shop and I get clipped 5%-7% each way when I buy and sell the coin for fiat.https://www.goldback.com/calculator/The intended value of the Goldback (aside from collector esthetics) is in it's use as money. Back when Mercury dimes were originally in circulation, there was only a cent or two worth of silver in them. Your argument is that mercury dimes weren't worth 10 cents because there was only two cents worth of silver in them.In fact, the Soviet Union COUNTERFEITED 1923 Mercury dimes using the EXACT alloy composition that the US Mint used. You weren't paying for the "silver" per se, you were paying for the silver packaged in a form that was readily identifiable, ideally suited for commerce.Imagine having to weigh out 10 cents worth of silver dust. How convenient would it be to have a dime sized, fixed, standard quantity of silver in a package that was self evident and reliabile?If you want to stack gold, buy bullioni or Eagles or Buffaloes. If you wanted to SPEND gold, in very small quantities, in a retail environment, what other realistic options do you have?Obviously in today's environment, I will spend my increasingly worthless fiat, not gold or silver. (Gresham's Law: bad money tends to drive good money out of circulation) Having a ready drop in replacement for a failing fiat is like having a fire extinguisher or a gun on your nightstand.
>>60888796Because there is a separate dedicated thread for discussing commodity stocks.
>>60888823just clarifying the casino derived number go up is the same mentality as crypto and has rugpull exposure.also i'm more speaking to people without several million dollars. sure he will be fine, but the mentality is not for people who are not in his position
>>60888822>only while casino lights still on. if collapse is bad enough, speculative positions with counter party risk are unreliable at bestProducing gold/silver miners, unlike almost any other publicly traded corporation, in the event of an economic crash, could pay their shareholders IN METAL in extremis. During the 1930s great depression, after outlawing gold possession, the gold mining company stocks became the main way that people could invest in physical gold "derivatives" and those stocks did very well.
>>60888838even if it were true that all of those listed miner stocks had terms where they had to cash you out in physical metal, and not hyperinfalted currency (like comex) or the like,if the economic transition is to digital currency, it would extort you for all your holdings to buy into the new system, which would be the mark of the beast in this case.
>>60888838>those stocks did very well.right up until 1942 when gold mining was outlawed in the US because of the war, causing every gold mine in the country to close and shareholders to lose everything.
>>60888844maybe if they deliver the metal with no problems, which I very much doubt in the case of the casino lights going out. I would expect every single legal and illegal impediment to get paid out free and clear.but even in that case, it would seem to me you'd be better off just having physical possession due to the necessary revaluation that would occur
Old picture but haven’t sold any of it
>>60888622i'm not buying the burger doomsday stuff
>>60888855>All that cashI know it's the smart thing to do but it just hurts to look at...I'm not really worried about a "collapse" and have even been thinking about burning some of my spare cash to get in on more PM's, keeping almost none of it. Every time I see a fiat I just think of its continually decreasing value and how I'm basically loading my pockets up with lead and my shoes up with sand every time I walk around with 20 dollars.
>>60888855>2/1/2021I think I remember the first time this was posted and I'm starting to feel old because of it.Even if all the tubes are empty and all the gold bars are fake, that's still an extremely impressive stack.>VegetaI'm surprised Niue or wherever hasn't made a Draginball Z NCLT coin given how many random commemoratives they churn out.
The gold back company IS jewishMorgan dollars have 6 pointed stars.I don't like either of them
>>60888808>The big % gains are in miners though.Some of the juniors may do a 20x+. Don Durrett & Francis Hunt talk about a junior that was unprofitable at $35, break even at $39 and expected to be wildly profitable at $50 silver. Durrett claims it's a sure thing 15x, and maybe it is. I'm not interested because we're old enough that we will take a reduced upside in exchange for zero downside. The CEO of that company may be a great guy, or he may be a sociopath who paid Durrett $20k to pump his bags and pull a Bre-X Same thing for the Dolly Varden Jeet. The company may be a great value with great ore bodies, but I am inherently untrusting of anyone who spends so much money on paid self promotion, let alone an Indian.https://youtu.be/gLRCIQgChkEhttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Shawn+KhunkhunIs there anything inherently wrong with juniors? NO. SOME of them will make their investors quite wealthy. Am I, as an old fuck willing to do a high risk gamble to try an win big? No. We do have Agnico, Hecla, First Majestic, Fraco Nevada, etc.We'll be very lucky to see even a 5x gain. in a silver/gold bull market, but we also have almost zero chance of losing our principle.The ONLY 100% sure thing is physical possesion of PMs.
>>60888853>casino/musical chairs ends>financial chaos>stocks and companies collapse>PMs revalue as normies panic>sweet the mining stock I have $1M in is paying me out 10oz of gold, which is now worth $50k oz after long bankruptcy proceedings and the insiders taking everything possible before it gets to court.>here's a new financial system with biometric identity and everything app integration. join or figure it out without participating in the new economy or internet.>mfw can only take delivery of the 10oz of gold if i registered it my digital identity on the blockchain>at least I made 50% that one year
>>60888874>>60888875At the time I took that picture it was 125k in gold and silver, the cash was irrelevant. It’s now about 250k in metals though. I bought that gold at 2k and silver was in the 20s
>>60888906overly convoluted scenario. more likely:>companies go bankrupt>shareholders lose everythingthere's no reason on earth a bankrupt company would even try to pay shareholders when they don't have to. just ask BBBYQ guys in a year or two, if they're still alive.
>>60888856>i'm not buying the burger doomsday stuffIt's real, but it works OPPOSITE of the way most people think it does. They don't use it to preemptively catch criminals. They use it to GO AFTER people they don't like.They also use it to identify associates of criminals and dissidents that they have already identified.If you're an average NPC Joe, not doing anything too spicy, you're almost certainly below the noise floor. They don't care if you are doing the odd line or banging an escort.If you start or are involved in a nationalist remigration advocacy group, expect a Palantir microscope up your digital colon, and any friends you have who regularly do stupid minor crimes will have a high probability to get rolled up and turned into Fed informants against you.
>breaking through 40IQ has been real quite since this one dropped, i wonder if he $roped?
>>60888906You think with 400 million+ guns and a highly disagreeable population that politicians won't get cervical traction therapy after largely destroying the country?If so, you are seriously underestimating the anger out there.
>>60888882never stop noticing , fren>the insidiousness of it allhidden in plain sight, everywhere…
>>60888937the anger is no issue if the people with the anger don't know how to manage it. i think there are generations of professionals who manage this sort of thing
>>60888930*head bobblin’ intensifies*
>>60888758>They want you to spend $80 per ounce of the special series instead of just slurping tubes. Same is true of gold!At the end of the day, my net worth spreadsheet really only tracks the weight of metal I own multiplied by the price. Back in 2022 the premiums on Eagles was astronomical, like $12 per coin. There were posters here saying to only buy the eagles because that premium would carry over. But if you ask yourself, are 2 eagles worth 4 generic? I am not insinuating there are no advantages to state rounds, but the premiums alone are chewing up the profit potential. If the price of silver were to meaningfully run to 3 digits (or beyond) then the QUANTITY of silver will shine far out price the QUALITY.
>>60888941it could be seen as desirable from their perspectivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8kmR48Cdc
>>60887039>>I wish I'd just bought Bitcoin, which is impossible to counterfeit.>He hasn't heard of the 51% attack.Apparently you're retarded. A "51% attack" just means that if a single entity controls more than half of the hashrate, that entity can refuse to process some (or all) transactions by churning out blocks that don't contain them. It doesn't mean that they can counterfeit anything, steal anything, or spend anything that isn't their own already.
>>60888941>the anger is no issue if the people with the anger don't know how to manage itPerhaps.
>>60888477That does not please and it does not sparkle.
>>60888960>that entity can refuse to process some (or all) transactions by churning out blocks that don't contain them.Counterparty risk....Bitcoin isn't money, it's a highly volatile speculative vehicle that has no intrinsicly unique value, based on circular logic:>Why buy bitcoin? Because it goes up.>Why does bitcoin go up? Because people buy it.I own and use bitcoin, but I wouldn't trust it with my life savings.
>>60888960It means they can process fraudulent blocks
>>60888440How can even people who are actively pro gold and silver unironically not understand what happened?It isn’t the boomers fault retards.They took us off the gold standard in 1971. Sloooooowly and surely for the next 50 years it became less and less worth it each passing year and decade to work typical tough blue collar jobs and “make it.” And along the way Hispanics were slowly being plugged into these jobs left by whites or whites not wanting to do them when getting out of high school1971>workforce still basically 100% white. Be a roofer with 4 kids and a wife in a nice home in a thriving community >1977 6 years off the gold standard.Same thing as above essentially and probably 90% of what it was like in the 60’s. Almost everyone working trades is still white>198515 years off gold standard. Probably running at 80% of pre 1971. Still pretty much easy to make it. But it’s making less sense. Workforce/trades is probably 7-8% Hispanic now. Barely noticeable. >1990Probably the inflection year. 20 years off the gold standard. Probably running at 65-70% capacity of pre-1971 wages probably 15% Hispanics now. Young whites aren’t going into these jobs anymore nearly as much. >2000It’s over by now. Probably 50/50 white/hispanic. Inflation has outpaced wages and you can’t work trades and easily make it like you could in the 60’s.>2010 it’s really over.
>>60888782You do you. As I said, I bought some myself, several times. I like them, and ideally I want MORE of them.But with 100% of my spirit I feel it necessary to tell everyone that now is NOT the time to be spending double the premium on overpriced hold. The GSR is like 90-100:1??? So just buy Mercury dimes? The GSR is fundamentally going to COLLAPSE! Paying premium on gold is NOT the play.
Damn this thread turned into goldback shills really quick. I will never buy goldbacks, because they are fucking worthless. They are like if fractional gold had fractional gold made for it. Fuck that. I will just buy fractional gold or bullion. People who collect goldbacks are cringeworthy as fuck
>>60888990>It isn’t the boomers fault retards.Yeah, it is. In a civilization there are key turning points. Boomers along with their partners in crime the Silent Generation, consistently voted for future gibs to be paid by their children and grandchildren. Literally ZERO concern for future deficits.How do I know? Because I'm GenX who was part of the group that was SCREAMING in the 80s for fiscal responsibility as we watched the government run ever bigger deficits with zero intention of fiscal responsibilty. When you cornered a boomer or silent gen about the bill that was coming due, the majority of them would literally chuckle and say:>I'll be long gone by the time that happens.No better than a jeet who dumps a truckload of garbage into a river. It's someone elses problem now.Inb4 the not all boomers IQ test gets failed.
>>60889009>Damn this thread turned into goldback shills really quickI love Goldbacks but have no plans on buying more than a few collector specimens. No one is seriously suggesting one should stack Goldbacks. That's a misallocation of resources.No one is even suggesting people should begin exclusively using Goldbacks, especially not when there is so much increasingly worthless fiat in circulation.Aside from constitutional silver, (junk silver) there's no convient or readily usable form specie money aside from Goldbacks, and constitutional silver has it's own problemns, not the least of which is counterfeit junk silver from China.https://youtu.be/cR3qFWZSxxU
>Junk is at 30x face>A tube of dimes will run me about $150>A roll of War Nickels is $90>All of these prices have virtually no premiumI already have around 500 oz that I bought back in the $20-25 range, but the low premiums I'm seeing are getting me tempted to buy more in spite of the high prices.Should I?Captcha: AG440
>>60889009is the 100% face premium due to the novel manufacture process? i'm sort of surprised it is that expensive to manufacture them, even with a decent margin over spot.>>60889035is there any anti counterfeit features (better and easier than PMs/fiat)? I was looking at/holding them and they look like they would be relatively easy to counterfeit as least appearance and feel wise easily with consumer level equipment.
>>60888990I'm a boomer. I remember clear back in the 70's learning about social security insolvency and why we need immigrants to come in and prop up our retirementthis used to be common knowledge. It was the excuse for letting half of Mexico come work here and send all their money home
>>60889078>is there any anti counterfeit features (better and easier than PMs/fiat)?PM coins are exceptionally hard to counterfeit in a way that will pass the specific gravity and ping tests, which gives you 99,999% accuracy for gold. Anything as dense as gold has to be tungsten which fails the ping test or the "snip" test (picrel) Any other metal as dense as gold is more expensive, and few metals match gold's color.Silver density CAN be spoofed, but it's not easy, but it will still fail the ping and magnetic slide tests. It's much less common for superfake silver coins. The counterfeit are usually brass or some other alloy plated.Additionally, modern coins have anticounterfeiting features like the current Maples with the very fine engraving and the MapleDNA.Silver and gold BARS on the other hand are much more risky for people who don't have experience. Be very careful about accepting a bar from an untrusted source.
>>60889120>>60889078>is there any anti counterfeit features (better and easier than PMs/fiat)?picrel:Genuine Englehard bar drilled and filled with lead.
>>60889100>I'm a boomer. I remember clear back in the 70's learning about social security insolvency and why we need immigrants to come in and prop up our retirementThis is because boomers KNEW social security was a PONZI scheme. Simple thought experiment. Say it takes 10 workers to support ONE retiree. Say average life expectancy is 78 years. By the time Boomer retires, the population of America needs to have TEN times the baby boom generation to support them for 13 years (78-65).That ten times population when THEY turn 65 need their own TEN TIMES population to support them, rinse and repeat.This is by definition exponential growth and can never last.https://youtu.be/kZA9Hnp3aV4?t=1333BTW, Canada's population growth (via Jeet importation) is exponential (3%) with a doubling time of 23 years. Here's the numbers for Canada.In the space of one man's lifetime, (70 years) at current growth rates Canada's population will grow to 320 million, at a 3% per year growth.2024: 40 million (start)2047: 80 million2070: 160 million2094: 320 million
>>60888855this is the best stack ive seen on /pmg/
>>60889120>Any other metal as dense as gold is more expensivePlatinum is denser than gold and half the price, so could be alloyed with something less dense to get gold's density.
>>60889078>is the 100% face premium due to the novel manufacture process?Yes, manufacturing and (((profit))) but the high premium is an integral part of the face value. When you pay $7.02 (current price) for the Goldback, if you were to spend it at a store, the purchasing power is worth exactly $7.02 (assuming spot didn't change) The value of the Goldback varies with the current price of gold.If gold goes up, the value of your Goldbacks increases. They have an online calculator for doing realtime transactions based on the up to the moment price of the Goldback. The current Goldback price is in the upper right hand corner.https://www.goldback.com/calculator/ You're not buying a Goldback to melt down for the gold. https://youtu.be/LMCO9cdrVykYou're buying it for the value added usablity of the gold money. Realistically, people are buying for esthetic and novelty reasons, although there are growing numbers of people and business that are using it as money, it's still just a niche market right now.
>>60889150>Platinum is denser than gold and half the priceTouche! But platinum is extremely hard, extremely high melting point and white. It still would not pass either the ping or the snip test and you would need to alloy it with something to pass the density test.I honestly don't think it's feasible to use platinum to make a counterfeit gold coin, but I concede, platinum is currently less than half the price of gold and could concievably be used to make super counterfeit gold coins that would pass the density test, but not the ping test.I should point out that RARELY, real coins can fail the ping test due to internal crystal structure of the blank. It is extremely rare.https://youtu.be/FwC-I_s6k0g
>>60887039>>60888960>>6088898651% is a myth. someone better at maths pointed out the need for much less control than that to disrupt the network, like 30%.
>>60889120>>60889124I was speaking in reference to the goldbacks, which is basically laminated metallic glitter
>>60889176I can't comment on that. I can only say I wouldn't trust my life savings to any crypto, but I would trust my life savings to a pile of gold coins buried in a rusty tin can in my yard.
>>60889157ok I see the 100% premium (vs spot) is for the value added via the fungability and recognitioni'm just saying it looks to me a person could produce them at home using consumer hardware for maybe +10-20% over spot.using the same process, they could also produce high quality fakes. the high markup over spot and low cost to reproduce at home makes me wonder if they implemented extra security features
>>60889187>I was speaking in reference to the goldbacks, which is basically laminated metallic glitterIt's not glitter, it's vacuum deposited gold film that goes through an iintaglio process where the image is embossed and printed so that if you look at the reverse side, you see the embossed image in reverse, but no ink. The front face is perfectly smooth from the laminated polyester layer, but the backside has the subtle texture of the embossing. Here's an image of the front and back of the Goldback.The larger denominations are physically larger and heavier.The gold content can be verified nondestructively via an XRF tester which I've personally done with my 5 Goldback note.
>>60889199>i'm just saying it looks to me a person could produce them at home using consumer hardware for maybe +10-20% over spot.I'm not saying you couldn't, but if you could, you are a genius and deserve to be a millionaire.Have you handled any Goldbacks? They do have anti-counterfeiting features like microengraving.
>>60889217>>60889199>>i'm just saying it looks to me a person could produce them at home using consumer hardware for maybe +10-20% over spot.>I'm not saying you couldn't, but if you could, you are a genius and deserve to be a millionaire.Here's video discussing counterfeiting Goldbackshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2erVwxOj7k
If the Goldback makers were clever, they would release an anime Goldback series for Japan.
>>60889208>The gold content can be verified nondestructively via an XRF tester which I've personally done with my 5 Goldback note.>>60889217>Have you handled any Goldbacks? They do have anti-counterfeiting features like microengraving.this is what I was wondering. >>60889219I can think of some ways to reproduce them with the same technology you would use to counterfeit foiled mtg/pokemon cards (harder than it sounds, even making decent proxies is difficult). i think you could relatively easily replicate the mentioned features (except XRF test pass) i won't share the specifics in the thread.
>>60889219I can tell the guy in this video is not aware of the machine i'm thinking of
I have the opportunity to buy 20 of pic related for $850 ($42.50 each). Not that I plan to, but it looks to resell for $~45-50 on eBay. Something to note is that there are tons of fakes being sold (and bought) on eBay for ~$20. Any strong opinions on this?
has anyone here redeemed a goldback for cash? I have some that I bought back when they were like $3 each and I have the opportunity to buy some for under the listed exchange rate. Unfortunately, I live in commiefornia so I can't use them in any official capacity
Not saying I'm planning on selling any time soon but let's say I wanted to buy like a $3500 car. Should I sell for cash or trade a gold coin directly to the seller for the car?
>>60889265if you're planning to do it to resell on ebay, don't. The jews at ebay will take at least 10% and then Peter Thiel will take another 4%.The one you have pictured looks a bit questionable and I find the design ugly. I'd personally not buy
>>60889256>I can tell the guy in this video is not aware of the machine i'm thinking ofThats why I would never say you could not do it. Sufficiently clever people can do amazing things. These guys tend to be crucial to industry and very highly paid. Sometimes they end up in crime and be even more highly paid.
>>60889275>Unfortunately, I live in commiefornia so I can't use them in any official capacityGoldbacks are legal tender in Nevada, but I guarantee you that there are goldbugs in California would would give you current face value. I would personally buy them from you for 100% retail if I was there. It costs me over $30 minimum shipping to order them into Canada.
>>60889277>Should I sell for cash or trade a gold coin directly to the seller for the car?Dump the cash the devalues, keep the gold that appreciates.Many NPCs wouldn't recognize what a gold coin is or what the real value is, and treat taking it like some kind of imposition.
>>60889279Definitely not planning on reselling anytime in the near term, and most likely not online. I still need to figure out a good way to offload my stack whenever that time might come. I should probably just hold off and cope that spot price will drop as it breaks $100
In three years which will have more value- One oz of Gold of two oz of Platinum?
>>60889338>One oz of Gold of two oz of Platinum?Depends. If there's an economic crash, platinum, being 95% industrial goes down is price. If there's war, platinum could spike in price as it's used to make perchlorate rocket fuel, and supplies from Russia will become unavailable.Gold is the gold standard. If you asked a different question, which will be worth more in a year or two, $3500 worth of gold, or $3500 worth of silver, based on historical patterns, silver will generate bigger returns.You would need to sell the silver for gold when the ratio drops to 40-30:1. Current ratio today is 86:1.
Question about silver.I saw the charts you guys posted here about the amount of silver mined in one year vs the industry demand and how it's actually in deficit (not counting the ambiguous amount in vault.)If this is true, then how come silver coin and bar for individual people are still being made? Shouldn't the silver get allocated into industry instead?
>>60889360>If this is true, then how come silver coin and bar for individual people are still being made?The amount of silver that is refined and minted for investors is a drop in the bucket of total supply. If suddenly there was no supply for retail then alarms would be sounded. People would realize just how scarce it silver is and you'd have a run on the bullion banks. Naturally the bankers running the pricing scheme don't want this so they toss us some scraps to keep up appearances. But any real amount of retail demand comes in and the illusion will be ruined.
>>60888076it's all about attention to details
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>>60889376>>60889380>>60889381>>60889384That's a man
>>60888796the problem is you have to already be rich to gamble on stocks. the real returns come from making risky plays, but over all multiple risky plays isnt actually risky. but if you dont have a safety net and you can only afford one risky play then you are almost certainly condemning yourself and your children to poverty. 95% of us can only afford to stack
>>60889370Big hands
>>60888774Ygmi
>>60889555>Stacktards are all poorThat's bleak fren,,,,,,and stupid,,,, model yourself on successful people,,,,, not losers
Silver taking another run at 41 before comex opens
>>60889265>$42.50 each>resell for $~45-50 on eBay.not worth it
>>60889360>If this is true, then how come silver coin and bar for individual people are still being made?There was several years stockpile saved up since silver photography was at it's peak in 2000. They've been burning through that stockpile ever sinice. Solar panels are now the number one industrial use, but the new fast charge batteries for electric cars will eventually be taking the number one spot.Silver gets allocated by whoever wants to buy it. Scarcity dictates price. If silver was 30 cents per pound we would use it for electrical wiring. Higher price incentivizes efficient usage and stimulates more production.
>>60889370Nice of CTV to reveal who they really are. Was she rubbing those hands?
>>60889385>That's a manI would at least have the common courtesy to give him a reach around.
>>60889762>Silver taking another run at 41 before comex opensLooks like they are tamping when it gets close to $41. Images not allowed so here's the URLhttps://www.kitco.com/charts/silver
Possible black swan:Major Japanese financial institution in serious trouble. Bank of Japan working hard to try and keep all the plates spinning. Hints are that it's Nomura.https://x.com/DarioCpx/status/1963035987296264305
>>60888758Based tube slurper
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>>60889124Up until now, the price of silver has not made such labor-intensive methods at counterfeiting worth the effort. That is going to change. I might start converting larger silver bars into silver coins.
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>>60888540>i think a lot of lawmakers truly think killing the elders is the only solution left to preserve their cozy lifestyle.Every commandment must be inverted if mammons apatite is to be quenched...>ooooof impossible
>>60888692Always has been...
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>>60888665times back then were different is my big fear.It may well be the jewish play of stifling the spirit of citizenship in endless entertainment slop works out and hyper-individualism makes everyone dick over each other instead of forming large groups to bring order back. 80 years of indoctrination make the obvious answer (it's the jews you idiot now lets go burn a bank) hard to swallow and illegal to utter.All of this, and Hitler and his buddies had guns. News came in newspapers you'd read diligently instead of a swirl of nauseating headlines spewed from your doom-brick.If we want 1933, Germany at least needs a fucking famine.
>>60888351>deflation will cause gold to collapsethose idiots still think in dollar value.Yes, Gold will not be worth $3000 because the $ will be over. What you can buy with it will roughly be the same as now and as 50 years ago.
>>60889302$30 shipping is insane. I can't believe they charge that much to put them between really stiff cardboard
>>60889313You can sell on local marketplaces, find a LCS that has a low spread, or find friends/acquaintances that are interested
