so like are we gonna get an AI bubble or is it all government funded to replace the labor class once AI can function in automation bots? none of these AI startups have been profitable yet. all of them have been money black holes. they value themselves at like 3 billion dollars? they either get bought by someone bigger or go away? they would never go public because the stock would plummet and everyone would bail. like besides trying to hit AGI and make robuts to replace the labor class what do they really want out of AI?
>>60887307>so like are we gonna get an AI bubble Yes. We're in it now. >is it all government funded No? 99.9% of ai investment is private capital.>replace the labor class once AI can function in automation bots?This is many, many decades away from reality.>none of these AI startups have been profitable yet. all of them have been money black holes. Correct.>they value themselves at like 3 billion dollars? Same as every other tech scam in history. >they either get bought by someone bigger or go away? they would never go public because the stock would plummet and everyone would bail. They will go public and many people will buy the stock while early investors and insiders bail and the new buyers are left holding the bags. Sound familiar? >like besides trying to hit AGI and make robuts to replace the labor class what do they really want out of AI?They want your data (from you interacting with the AI models) and they want your capital (buying AI devices, investing in AI stock, etc).
>>60887307>replace the labor classI see the forced "AI efforts" we have at our company and I realize this shit is not replacing anyone any time soon. Maybe junior code monkeys might have a higher entry bar but that's about it.I would actually love to see some actual use cases that are not some gay chatbot or image generation
>>60887384>I would actually love to see some actual use cases that are not some gay chatbot or image generationthat's the thing after like 5 years and nearly a trillion dollars everyone would like to see a single profitable use case but all it is so far is slop images and chat bots. sure the slop images are more fun but really nothing new or capable of financial returns has come of it and nothing outside of replacing labor with it really will. the sunken cost is so far that everyone is fighting to be the breakout AI that every enterprise level is forced to use but at the end of the day it just makes for a shittier workflow because some AI thought moving things around in your calendar was more important than you actually hitting your deadline with a deliverable.
>>60887344>replace the labor class once AI can function in automation bots?>This is many, many decades away from reality.False.Here's an hour long video of a humanoid robot with a task-specific trained VLA model performing a human job (mail sorting) for 1 hour without malfunction:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkc2y0yb89UUPS was in talks with them in light of this>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-explores-humanoid-robots-figure-150435120.html?Figure AI (recently parted with OpenAI, still backed by MSFT):Partnership with BMW for factory manufacturing:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXCHr1IaTM>https://www.bmwgroup.com/en/news/general/2024/humanoid-robots.htmlMercedes-Benz taking stake in Apptronik with the goal of in-house use of humanoids:https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/mercedes-benz-takes-stake-robotics-maker-apptronik-tests-robots-factories-2025-03-18/ Amazon ‘testing humanoid robots to deliver packages’>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/05/amazon-testing-humanoid-robots-to-deliver-packagesBoston Dynamics (Purchased by Hyundai):>https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/brand-journal/mobility-solution/hyundai-boston-dynamicsUS Secretary of Commerce acknowledging upcoming use of robotics within US domestic manufacturing:>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/38R81esuNEs>https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2024-10/Humanoid\_Robots.pdfBig tech alongside current US administration have clearly telegraphed their intentions and are allocating billions to R&D and acquisitions. What’s more telling is the lack of media coverage of this, instead with media lenses focused on gimmicky generative AI models.
As for the AI bubble thing, I am not seeing euphorbia I am mostly just seeing existential dread. Most people are trying to say there is a bubble because they are worried their isn't a bubble and shits going down way too fucking fast.>>60888568>Here's an hour long video of a humanoid robot with a task-specific trained VLA model performing a human job (mail sorting) for 1 hour without malfunction:This is ASMR man wtf.What is it doing exactly? does it like find a package with an issue? God this is so fucking weird, fuck that job must have sucked for a human to be doing that.
>>60887398>that's the thing after like 5 years and nearly a trillion dollars everyone would like to see a single profitable use case but all it is so far is slop images and chat bots.I like being able to just generate a web application to do random things for me. I don't feel like that was ever an option before.
>>60887307There has to be some sort of great reset before they usher in the ai bots to replace majority of the work force, They can’t just do it now, because that’ll cause too much disruption so they will manufacture the disruption, probably war, a new virus or some other bullshit which will create the conditions that put everyone out of a job so they blame the event vs the ai that will replace them after said happening is over
>>60889058Klaus talked about a sustained cyber attack on key infrastructure.
>>60889034It’s flipping the packages so that the barcode is downward facing for the scanner. Sometimes it’ll flatten out the packaging to better allow for barcode reading as well.People are obsessing over a “bubble”, as if any of the SOTA models have been designed for enterprise use. I genuinely do not understand why people think lack of profit today is indicative of anything. It’s like they don’t understand the distinction between R&D phase and commercialization. Do we genuinely believe there’s an ongoing global AI arms race for who can best ghiblify funny pictures? We’ve yet to see the actual economic applications of AI beyond consumer grade generative models and there’s no reason to think we’ve hit a ceiling. Enterprise level AI models will almost certainly not be singular LLMs but more complex multi-model architectures that enable higher agentic fidelity (akin to AlphaEvolve, Microsoft Discovery, etc). These will not be consumer accessible and will be hidden behind significant subscription fees, aimed at corporations/larger institutions.
>>60889084>We’ve yet to see the actual economic applications of AI beyond consumer grade generative models and there’s no reason to think we’ve hit a ceiling.Well, right now I can say, the biggest limitation for the generative creation side of things is continuity. Its not smarter AI that can solve bigger problems. Its about being able to prompt a character with specific traits and plop them into different scenes or situations and have them remain mostly unchanged. That will be when we can start chaining things together and making movies and graphic novels that wont be "slop" anymore. That will be when people who normally upload a ton of images of random anime waifus will start making characters in different scenes and situations.
>>60887307>they value themselves at like 3 billion dollars?$500 billion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-06/openai-in-talks-for-share-sale-valuing-startup-at-500-billion>>60889084>Enterprise level AI models will almost certainly not be singular LLMs but more complex multi-model architectures that enable higher agentic fidelityNeeds more quantum blockchain agile synergy.
>>60889281Having a low verbal iq doesn’t mean the words outside of your lexicon are nonsensical. It just means you’re retarded. Gl next life.
>>60889288I'm unironically an ML scientist. Model scaling is a dead end. Kys retard.
>>60889281>Needs more quantum blockchain agile synergy.It means that they will have multiple brains that work together. It makes a lot of sense.
>>60887307if AGI happens 300b would be a fire saleits revolutionary technology and will completely change the world. its literally a thinking machine. it has to happen this decade as well, at some point humanity cannot increase in an OOM, there is an upper limit to compute and power. we are not there yet, thats why everyone is racing to build out compute and power. if it can happen it will happen soon. i believe it will because the human brain is not special. intelligence can be replicated.owning AI stock and holding could be real life changing money. valuations will skyrocket.but it has to happen before 2030. otherwise the odds of it happening at all drop significantly and it turns into a bubble.do with this info what you will.
>>60889297go watch a LeCun vid while you touch yourself. ML fags are the bears of AI.you all fail to understand there is knowledge embedded in language. LLMs are able to figure shit out because English has a vocabulary of words with meaning. the more neurons the neural net gets, the more sophisticated its thinking.we have seen ChatGPT go from barely comprehensible to college level in a few years. this is real tangible proof AI modeling and compute upscaling works. every time a new barrier is erected, it smashes through.LeCun famously said in 2022 he didnt think an LLM could figure out what happens to a phone if you place it on a table and push the table. he erroneously concluded there is "no text" that can teach that, while having a conversation with someone which could be fully transcribed in text. watching LeCun miss the forest for the trees is truly amazing, a master class in sophistry.at some point you get so educated you learn to stop thinking.
>>60889550>the AI experts are the bears of AI>therefore the people who know the most about AI are wrong and I'm right
>>60889476>higher agentic fidelity
>>60889565they know the most about 40 years of failed attempts at AI aka ML. they know jack shit about LLMs and they dont work at AI companies. they are in academia.
>>60887307AI will create more jobs than it destroys. For example, every company within the next 6 years will have an AI department, as either a subset of IT, or on its own. Just as companies now have a social media department, whether under media relations or its own. Companies will need prompt engineers and alignment specialists as well, particularly as companies shift to proprietary local models. You guys complaining about job destruction are like the horse-buggy workers complaining about automobiles.
>>60889574Nobody in AI calls it AI you fucking scrub. You know nothing. Less than nothing, even.
>>60888568Robots and AI will pair together well but you cannot conflate robotics and AI. Robots will sooner replace jobs than AI. AI is the training only, and it doesnt appear LLMs will help much with robotics- and each robotics company has its own sensor-based AI operating in a different realm than LLMs- this will require much more capital than LLMs have used thus far.
>>60889580im without a doubt much more intelligent than you. i don't need an AI to tell me this.please post more retarded pictures you saved that will somehow prove me wrong.
>>60889593>im without a doubt much more intelligent than you. i don't need an AI to tell me this.>please post more retarded pictures you saved that will somehow prove me wrong.
>>60887398>after like 5 yearsIts hard to imagine life existed before 2005 but AI has been around since the late 70s and had amazing breakthroughs in the 80s that you are just now glimpsing. ML itself is older than that.
>>60889588>AI is the training only, and it doesn't appear LLMs will help much with roboticsyou need to think about this from first principles.>LLMs lead to AGI>AGI is as good as the best human in every field>AGI is therefore a better and faster AI researcher than the best AI researcher.>you can run tens of thousands of them in parallel and they all think at 10x human speed>therefore they can accomplish in months what took humans years.>this will lead to further improvements in AI, eventually leading to ASI if that is possible with Earth-level compute (gains if efficiency suggest it is, the human brain runs on carrots not gigawatts)>ASI is by definition wildly beyond the best humans in every field>ASI can design better robots and better robot factories than the best humans, and hundreds of thousands of copies can be run in parallel thinking at 40x human speed.>human timeframes stop being relevant, because the computer is now accomplishing in days what took humans yearsone we get to AI as the AI researcher, things become very strange very quickly. we have no idea what OpenAI has silo'd. they may be running AI researchers right now, or trying to at least. forecasting suggests that will happen next year.
>>60889611Let me let you in on a little secret: LLMs can't generalize off-sample. If you actually knew that that meant, you would understand why everything you just wrote is total bullshit.
>>60889621*what that meant
i don't engage with morons as a rule, i broke that rule, it was a mistake. but i forgive myself.
>guise i am very smart and that means i'm right>no i won't prove it to you>brb, posting on /r/atheism about how smart i am
>>60889611>magic robot man will turn dreams into realitybig if true
>>60889637it's not magic, it's just doesn't exist yet. if you extend trend lines over a few years there's little reason to doubt it will.if you doubt me, install ChatGPT and ask it to do some data stuff for you right now. i have it and i get like 10 or so prompts for free every 5 hours or so. don't be a moron and ask it to count the "r"s in a strawberry like every other rube. give it a complex real-world applicable problem and be descriptive in the prompt. as always, verify what it tells you. engage with it and be skeptical. you'll probably be surprised. the only way to know for yourself is to see for yourself.
>>60889664>it's not magic, it's just doesn't exist yet. if you extend trend lines over a few years there's little reason to doubt it will.>if you doubt me, install ChatGPT and ask it to do some data stuff for you right now. i have it and i get like 10 or so prompts for free every 5 hours or so. don't be a moron and ask it to count the "r"s in a strawberry like every other rube. give it a complex real-world applicable problem and be descriptive in the prompt. as always, verify what it tells you. engage with it and be skeptical. you'll probably be surprised. the only way to know for yourself is to see for yourself.
>>60889574As if academia has no influence on what you are doing now. The quiet 30 year math profs at the universities know more about the cutting edge of ML than you. You see a limited distillation of what they know.
>>60889593>much more intelligent than youThank you. I wasnt sure until you asserted as such. Now I know.
>>60889679https://x.com/YaBoyFathoM/status/1659516423540965378here is the creme de la creme of ML saying completely indefensible bullshit in 2022.all he can say today is we don't have AGI yet. that is small potatoes when he's been proven wrong over and over again.you might want to look into the credibility problem that's been exposed in academia over the last several months. universities don't exactly hire the best and brightest. the best and brightest are earning millions working at OpenAI and Google.
>>60889611You cannot conflate robotics with (LLM) AI. Call up some robotics firms and ask questions on what ML they are using to train the robots. Its proprietary. Can you inagine training physical movement with LLMs? It barely handles visual, much less precision 4D actuation.
>>60889690Jesus christ, you're such a fucking retard on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin. ML ("""""AI""""") is more firmly rooted in academia than almost any other field. This discussion is too retarded, I'm going to bed.
>>60889690Obviously he is not creamy enough. The older quiet nerdy math guys are the cutting edge. OpenAI is monetizing it. This isnt bad, but theyre not the same.
>>60889703notice how he never refutes anything, he just posts moronic images, states the obvious like "LLM today does nothing in a vacuum" then slithers off to his pile of blankets.this is the last time i effort post on /biz/ because the midwittery here is too powerful. there are some truly excellent 110IQs wasting time here.
>>60889723You are peak dunning-kruger. Tell us what you do for a living so I can laugh when I read this thread tomorrow. Be honest. If I told you what I do, you wouldn't even believe me.
um sweaty, it's time for you to sleep, remember? don't forget your meds.
>>60889737>t. unemployed neetGood night, mommy's smartest boy. ;)
i wonder how much his fingers trembled with rage when he typed out ;)maybe he can tell me!
>>60889611>Robotics is now AIJesus christ you are a living manifestation of dunning-kruger effect
>a wild 1PBTID appears schizobabbling incoherent rage and mentioning dunning-kruger againit's your bed time silly! stop being mad and get some sleep. don't you have work tomorrow?
Posting in an epic cringe thread.
>>60889777Checked Digits. It was actually quite interesting at the first. Hoping some big thinkers will show up and/ or return.
this is 4chan, you'll find nothing but ironic shitposting, blaming the Jews for every fault in your life, and me.
>>60887307>Reddit
>>60889772Yeah, its all a big conspiracy and you (main character) is the only real human!It smells like shit everywhere you go? Yeah, that means everyone else reeks!You're a gigantic faggotnigger
There are so many people all agreeing its a bubble right now. I cant tell if its bear euphoria or if there is about to be a huge correction. If there is I think that Open AI only has like 100 employees right? Some of those employees had poaching attempts for massive amounts of money and it still failed. Can it be a bubble if people are worried your ass might be building a god?
>>60889534but if it doesn't happen this century then throwing money and wasting resources was for what exactly? the entire US economy is sort of propped up on selling more Nvidia chips and building new data centers to specialize in GPU cooling, but there's still no viable product to justify any of it for a what if scenario where we reach AGI before ruining the living conditions of all people who are already suffering from electricity costs going up for the existing data centers they never agreed to. Not to mention all the waste created and non potable water from the cooling methods currently available for tech that has perhaps a maximum lifetime of 5 years before requiring a new gen replacement. I say this as the guy who went from installing the 500K usd DGX devices to the guy who will be installing the 14 million usd twin cabinets designed to replace the 500k usd devices because they're already facing end of warranty before full need of enterprise replacement.>if it can happen it will happen soon.this has been said since the inception of the AI meme. we still don't even have a viable product model for the organizations to be profitable which is why they still need trillions in private equity funding.
>>60889534>owning AI stock and holding could be real life changing money.this is already nonviable since none of these organizations can afford to go public since the valuation will immediately plummet. They have to take private venture funding to try and remain relevant. You quite literally would be better off throwing 50 dollars into bitcoin once a week. It won't happen before the end of the decade and it probably wont happen before 2050. AI companies need to learn to do more with less processing and less memory while creating VIABLE PRODUCTS TO HELP PEOPLE. Instead of racing to make the de facto enterprise product that every has to sign 10 year contracts with.
>>60891680It can’t be a bubble without euphoria. Strap in and enjoy the ride!
>>60889577>have an AI departmentthe AI department will be people that have to allow access to contractors to perform warranty replacements until the warranty runs out on the AI equipment. Then they have to learn how to replace GPUs. They wont be programmers or skilled positions interior to the organization they will be logistics people ordering RMAs or if they are subscribing to a cloud based AI service they will be art grad failures trying to teach an AI through text bots what to answer when someone is asking when they have a very specific question which then rolls the AI to direct the person to a live agent chat. The only job destruction will actually occur if AGI is achieved and people can be replaced by a bot capable of flipping the burger which by the way existed in 2010 long before any AI was necessary.
>>60889611the greatest application for AI so far has been in the legal system with helping with discovery to provide immediate snapshots to timestamps conversations recorded and events. AGI is so far off that it may as well occur in the year 2110. While it's a wonderful pipe dream there is still no applicable real world product that pushing AI this far can provide worth the costs being dumped into it. Not only financially but the costs to the ecosystem and people who have to deal with the waste and electrical concerns of living near the data centers. Not only that but the new datacenters being built will be even more costly and mostly be used to incorporate more expensive AI racks since the tech will be outdated every 3-5 years by newer smaller chips. Deepseek did everything the current AI meme should have been aiming for but the american economy and all the biggest earners have to suck dick and buy more nvidia products to try and race each other to the bottom to still not create a viable corporation which is actually financially successful.
>>60889664ASK chat-GPT how to make the AI corporations a viable successful product using AI that helps people and makes a profit without billions of private venture capital
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>>60891866Euphoria of the bulls makes a bubble.Euphoria of the bears means nothing.
>>60889534What AI stock?
>>60889297Yes throwing billions of dollars solely at compute and expecting it to become “muh agi” is retarded and was always a dead end.Like I said prior, the future is not about cramming more Harry Potter erotica fan fiction from the internet into pretraining but developing more complex architectures alongside training with real world data. There’s a reason doctors can’t just skip residency, pass USMLE (boards) and practice solo. There’s a difference between real world application and theory. AlphaGo didn’t become what it is by being fed books on Go theory. Doesn’t take an ML background to recognize this.
>>60889588I’m not conflating robotics with AI, rather acknowledging that AI helps unlock more utility within the field of robotics. VLA models alongside generalized foundation models like gr00t, help bring intelligence to robotics in a way that was not possible before. The robotics industry is set to explode even without the seemingly meme humanoid developments (they’re not just memes)
>>60889568>>60889565>>60889297>>60889281>appeals to self-claimed authority on an anonymous basket weaving forum >provides literally zero intellectual insight >posts Reddit faces unironically
>>60889723>this is the last time i effort post on /biz/I've yet to see a single effort post from you in my thread. There is no product. There is a pipedream to AGI. There is no viable profitable product to provide. You keep spinning the yarn of>yes but with a couple trillion more dollars, billions of new Nvidia GPUs, an undefined length of time. AI will change everything.when the reality is that it has yet to provide a viable product to anyone yet. It isn't profitable nor sustainable. The tons of images and videos made have cost more and more everyday and without venture capital there's still no business model to be seen from any of these startups. Even megacorporations are simply throwing compute power at these pet projects without any tangible results or profitable business plans to you know get an income off the power of AI. The only consumer grade products are shitty chatbots which we've had since the 2010s.I'm starting to genuinely regret asking this amidst an AI bubble of what can only be money laundering for Nvidia.
>>60889058I always wanted to ask conspiratards like you: if virology research is objectively so fucking amateurish that they let a SARS variant leak in Wuhan, how the fuck could they keep an actual giant project under wraps and without leaks for your loony theory of I assume population control or whatever?
>>60887384>or image generationImage generation is legit though. So many companies that hired some cheap graphic designer or whatever for a quick project can now just shit out an AI image. Does it look like crap, yes. But it’s good enough for 99% of the pointless crap they used to have to hire someone to do.
>>60891869Interesting. Thank you, Anon.>>60891881Is the AGI constraint compute power or electrical power? In your opinion, where would the money be better spent if wasnt being spent into AI/ data centers/ chips? The data centers and chips could be used for crypto/ blockchain applications.
>>60892674>when the reality is that it has yet to provide a viable product to anyone yetImage generation products are legit. People are already paying for that.
>>60887307If AI was actually useful it could do my work. I should be able to give it 5000 UPC's and it lists, describes, scrapes photographs, uploads the photos to my e-Bay account. The tech is there but they aren't allowing people to be this productive.
>>60892674Let’s pretend your IQ is over 80 and try following along with me. Literally none of the SOTA generative LLMs/agentic models have been trained on task specific, real world data. None of these models have been trained with the goal of creating enterprise ready applications.This is like someone developing electricity and people complaining about a lack of economic value because the infrastructure/components that are now being studied/developed aren’t out yet. Do you understand how fucking dumb that is? Here’s a secret, an agentic model doesn’t need to have the emotional depth, sense of self, social iq of a human to be able to do accounting tasks or physical labor. It doesn’t need to have a favorite desert to parse through legal documents and cross reference relevant legal precedent to construct a defense. All models need are parity in the domains necessary for the task at hand. “AGI” is fucking meaningless nonsense that no >100iq individual even bothers mentioning in serious conversation. Do you think China is in on this conspiracy of big tech just money grabbing? Why do you think we’ve been restricting H100s to China? People are calling this an arms race for a reason.Do you seriously expect the actual fruits of this arms race to be accessible by the average person? Do you think they’re going to create high fidelity agentic models, super intelligent models and just let the average retard fuck around with them at home? You’re not the target audience for what’s going on. Why do you think they’re spamming us with bullshit gimmicks like “ghiblification” while simultaneously building out multi billion dollar data centers, changing energy policy, govt backing for Intel, taking foreign investments for AI infrastructure (SoftBank, Saudis, etc), trying to pass law that prevents anti-AI legislation at a state level for the next decade.Stop falling for the normie filter and wake up.
>>60893452that is and I say this objective in the most accurate terminology of the word>rather than subjective or biased way : with a basis in observable facts rather than feelings or opinionsfactually incorrect. the piddly sums nearing some million dollars they get from image generation compared to the billions they spend on everything involved in the process is not a viable profitable business venture. Running locally would be more viable of a "product" from everything invested in AI.>>60893530you're doing all my homework for me by stating the arguments against why the investments in AI are a tremendously wasteful endeavor. The statement in an agentic model is ridiculous in and of itself it is not intelligent it ends up creating additional workflows and inflated task lists due to not being intelligent in any way. At it's best it can be helpful with discovery and parsing information from giant research papers. In reality it often hallucinates based off it's training data.China if anything should be indicative of how much of a waste AI in the western world has been in terms of reducing capital and resources which could have been applied to any number of practical and actual useful things. Battery development smarter infrastructure and electrical networks. Instead the burning of capital real things could have been researched and made more effective. In reality a ton of people are going to be affected through retirement funding and investments wasted on I can't say this enough>the pipe dream that AI will change everythingwhich every media outlet continues to hype AI as. The reality is little has changed from chatgpts various iterations outside of increasing latency.You're further proving my point that this isn't going to help people it's merely a means to an end of either selling to a big fish for 500 billion ridiculous number for useless tech or ultimately run out of money to burn if an enterprise level doesn't sign with one of the AI providers.
>>60893530Imagine how supercharged AI would be once we got 10 000 firms installing software that tracks the clicks + snapshots, or at least a more abstract encapsulation of this data, collect that data for a year, and fed it into the existing AI datacenters.I believe the minimum case for the resultant stock value explosion once the finished product hits, is 20x.
>>60893363>Is the AGI constraint compute power or electrical power? I don't think either are the problem. We're probably going to solve either quantum computing before we can truly reach AGI, either that or have some sort of wearable neuralink equivalent creating a neural net where "AI" can learn from actual intelligent thought processes. Which a that point open up a new moral (ethical???) can of worms. Are we going to enslave an intelligent self aware artificial creation so we can ask for sourdough recipes or what the latest delta on the S&P 500 is? >In your opinion, where would the money be better spent if wasn't being spent into AI/ data centers/ chips?I didn't see this post yet but I posted it a minute ago if we had spent those billions with a B on either batteries or chip research we could make many other currently existing practical businesses more efficient and effective. Even having spent that money on simple infrastructure issues would have been a better investment. The problem is that there's no real viable business model for AI to provide but these companies continue to spin the hype train in the direction of>no for seriously we're about to invent magic that fixes everything forever eternally we just need a trillion more dollars and an infinite amount of more time to do itI find the blockchain question irrelevant because so many so many solutions have been made to make wire tranfers essentially costless. Isn't that essentially XRPs entire pitch "we reduce gas costs as low as possible so tranfers can be cheap and fast." Sorry I don't really care about crypto but I work with AI hardware and the more I learn about it the more ridiculous a sunken cost fallacy it appears to be.
>>60893363>Interesting. Thank you, Anon.follow up I'm glad that shed some light for you because as the guy who installs and upkeeps these Nvidia devices everywhere I have insight in that from the moment they are installed they immediately depreciate in value. From the moment the devices go live the GPUs are being pushed to the absolute limit at all times 24/7 resulting in constant replacements to fulfill the number go up model of MORE GPUS MORE POWER. So there's this ridiculous waste of devices designed to only work at enterprise levels so that when john darksouls wants to upgrade his GPU he can't even buy a refurbed dgx GPU because it's literally designed to only work in tandem with 7 others running at the absolute highest hottest specs to make some corporate memphis slop at a fraction of the cost for some corporations weekly email or pamphlet. It's genuinely a bizarre series of choices. But so many of Americas biggest corporations are no reliant on this constant cycle of get new gpus and buy new gpus that when the bubble pops people with 401ks or retirement funds are going to eat absolute shit because whoopsie doodles everything was running off Nvidia and no one wants to buy the new 14million dollar GPU shelves since they are designed to break and cost another 14million dollars to replace so they end up making datacenters where it's only 14million dollar cabinets that constantly have to have entire shelves replaced but the shelves are designed to break so you need to buy another 14 million dollar cabinet complete with RGB lighting because lol lmao nvidia.
>>60887307Yes. It’s arguably not even really going yet. It’s going to extend to the 2030s.
>>60893595That's ridiculous you're now going off the assumption of the million monkeys at a million typewriters writing shakespeare. The snapshots and clicks recorded by an LLM are not going to have the context of the person performing these changes and adjustments which then will require each individual to provide a detailed report on>I had to go back and amend this report due to a discrepancy found as an after sight by our sales team after an external audit found we had a rollover created by fractional reserve investing which wasn't realized gains for the organization.Again all I see is this recurring pipe dream of >yeah but WHAT IF LIKE 400X STRAIGHT TO THE MOONwhat are you basing this on? Do you understand that AI is a glorified chat interface which requires constant supervision to lead it towards to correct correlation and causality in end results? Without that you end up with the hallucination data fed by data without context. I didn't care when the boys were having fun making porn and funny movies but when you look at the organizations burning tremendous volumes of cash which could be used in practical research applications it's not just wasteful it's legitimately insane to see them value themselves at excuse me $500 billion?stolen from the basedjack poster earlier https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-06/openai-in-talks-for-share-sale-valuing-startup-at-500-billionIt's ridiculous. It would be one thing if we could actually see the spending and revenue of these companies but they will not or rather can not reveal this information because it's genuinely absurd. I'm really getting to the point after doing research over labor day weekend to saying: yeah this is all some weird money laundering ponzi scheme isn't it.meanwhile media outlets continue to glaze that the greatest minds and actual wizards are going to solve every problem, ever, in all of history, because AI is allllllllllllmost here for seriously this time.
>>60893591>The statement in an agentic model is ridiculous in and of itself it is not intelligent it ends up creating additional workflows and inflated task lists due to not being intelligent in any way.Again, you’re conflating current day, publicly accessible models with categorical limitations on the technology and using it as justification to not pursue further research/advancement. >You're further proving my point that this isn't going to help people it's merely a means to an end of either selling to a big fish for 500 billion ridiculous number for useless tech or ultimately run out of money to burn if an enterprise level doesn't sign with one of the AI providers.Yes it’s not going to help “people” with people being proletariats (you). This is not some dumb “metaverse”, dogtbatfuck coin grift. This is at the level of national defense (Project Stargate, CEOs from Palantir, Meta, OpenAi, Thinking Machines being commissioned into the US military). Why are we seeing AI based military startups (Anduril getting ~1billion usd contract) flourishing? You mention LLMs hallucinating, completely oblivious to the potential for multimodal architectures such as Google’s AlphaEvolve which employs an ensemble of LLMs including a an evaluator pool to help prevent hallucination/optimize fidelity. You draw broad sweeping conclusions on an entire field of study with minimal awareness beyond the most mainstream of examples.You’re the kind of person to watch a targeted ad and take it face value. You’re parroting normie sentiment while the actual actions of the world superpowers and big tech telegraph a different perspective. Your arguments stem from personal experience of using a generalized, generative large LANGUAGE model and you conflate this experience as if it speaks to the totality of potential for machine learning, categorically. Our collective IQs are lowering each time you respond.
>>60893693You presuppose the absolute most simplistic arrangement where the raw values are just fed into the ML infrastructure as random tuples of floats. But there are many techniques you can use to process this data into gold. E.g. you could arrange the training run so that every n frames the AI is posed the question "what is happening on the screen?" (remember, we take screenshots -- also this is not happening when sensitive data is possible. Imagine some interior design company or whatever). In most cases they will be correct. In a smaller fraction of cases they will not be correct, because edge cases arise like your example. But even this can be eventually smoothed out via another layer of a higher order process with manual human intervention (which is how current LLM training already works).
