oh ok it already happened as i was making the post

>>60897666
So what happens in the mid to long term?

>>60897677
well on those timeframes it's gongo

anything short term is the same old homosex manipulation

the bots have gone long for 4 minutes on ethereum, that's unusual. and they seem to want to go above 4300

btc looks ambiguous but ethereum is lower liquidity

the bots might be longing, that is surprising

>>60897666
spooky pic!!!!!

usually they instadump but there is resistance for 110500

you can clearly see when the algos and bots come in by the volume on BTC/USDT on binance

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ATTN the bots not in nuke mode, consider longs

everything in the green box is fake as shit, they'll be out in hours

LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG it's the bottom

>>60897694
>well on those timeframes it's gongo
Err...what do you mean?

>>60897749
gongo up, newfren
long term it's gongo up midterm too cause were in a bull market and some gay fags are in denial about it

>>60897755
Oh I see...what do you think is a realistic top for btc by eoy?

>>60897760
normgroid cattle is calling for $150k-$180k, so, I am forced to call for $250k+. I'm thinking more like 300-400. they will all sell early

I dont do EOY predictions, that's for niggercattle. the fact is it's goin to $1M like a fucking magnet. the question is do you have the balls for the ride, not "when is the top"

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>>60897748
I TOLD YOU, NICKERS!! Aaaaaaa

>1 minute candles
ease off the coke

>>60897789
just to gauge the bot response

in my last thread, and what usually happens, the bots just keep ripping with the ""trend"" that gets established right before the 1D close

this kind of manipulation has been happening for years. it doesnt happen every day but when it happens it's totally obvious

so I wasnt kidding to go long >>60897748
, its because 'they' didnt do what they normally do

>>60897814
Are you sure, it seems to be dumping again

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>>60897845
well, the bots aren't auto mass dumping and here's how other shit is trading

i take that to mean it is the bottom, and whoever is selling now is a scared faggot (most of crypto fags) or manipulating

>>60897885
I just hope btc can hit at least 185k by eoy...I just wanna sell then invest in oil stocks to live off the divvies

in a typical situation the bots will see the daily close and choose $110k as target. then it just rips there because the bots and algos provide the biggest volume at the time of the daily close. then, cexes may add fuel to the fire, which is something they love to do. or perhaps they are the ones setting the bots

>>60897907
How did you learn all this stuff? Do you do leverage trading? Also, do you think 2026 will be a bear year.

btw on aggr.trade you can actually hear and see when bots are trading but that's pretty advanced

when you see or hear recurring trades on a strict interval, you know it's bot time

e.g. $400k buys, every 80 seconds

in times of high volume, those bots are drowned out of course, so you cant tell.

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>>60897774
Saylor will win again.

>>60897913
I didnt learn, i just gained some confidence and experience over the years. to you, it looks like I have knowledge. i might well be wrong in this instance. If this instance were to play out 100 times, maybe I'm right 55-70% of the time. You can never think in terms of guarantees in markets.

part of the answer: i spend a lot of time watching charts. But not in a vacuum. I look at what BTC does compared to X, Y, Z

for better or worse, it correlates strongly with things like NASDAQ, S&P, NVDA, ... so, it's just a piece of shit.

however as more and more people understand BTC and keep holding (this is evidenced by its current price), at some point it will 'de-couple' from stonks

It already decouples occasionally,
in the sense that it sometimes wildly outperforms (or underperforms) S&P. it still follows S&P, just amplified in either direction

>>60897957
>so, it's just a piece of shit.
You don't like btc?

>>60897913
btw if you want to begin to understand what im getting at, heres a good watchlist on tradingview. what I mean is, if you understand and watch these charts and how they relate to Muh Economy and btc you'll be well off

For example if S&P is way up and bitcoin is doin poorly, like what is happening recently, its 99% manipulation or retards selling for stocks/gold, and bitcoin will rip later

BTCUSDT
BTCEUR
BTC.D
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ETHUSDT
ETHBTC
-
US.500F
SPX
NASDAQ / US Tech 100 Cash (idk, the one that trades at night)
VIX
GOLD
TOTAL3
NVDA
US10Y, US02Y, ...

>>60897972
I love btc, I hate how it trades

I hate the normgroids who sell BTC because their S&P is down

I hate the normgroids who sell BTC because their inflation is up

I fucking hate the hypnotized niggercattle who sell because CNBC.com is full of bad words

These tradfi niggers are just slowing things down becaue they dont know what the fuck it even is. I want bitcoin to reach its potential and whoever sells BTC because an index fund is down should simply be shot.

It's just myopic, schizophrenic retardation all the way, every day. When burger markets open, BTC stops being BTC, and it becomes an extension of stocks. Then whatever happens there echoes during the following night and the weekend. Whenever some boomer tradfi party is selling their nuhvideo, they are also selling BTC and a lot of other shit at exactly the same time.

it's very tiresome how correlated things are but its also a cheat code

Im long purely because those nigger tradfi markets are trading up and its just a matter of time before cryptos catch up

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>>60897845
so at the time of your post it had some red candles that made it seem like it's going lower.

I saw the same. but i regarded it as noise. The signal: bots and algos didn't mass dump to sub $110k upon the daily close.

the signal had already happened. the noise, small price deviations, is just something you have to survive or ignore

it's still in "noise" territory at 110870, it just looks a lot better now than when the candle was red

I dont post this to gloat, but to inform about this trading approach. (afaik I'm not 'right' or 'wrong' yet although my long is up)

>>60898027
afaic*

youve witnessed in real time how I changed my thesis, attempted to discriminate the signal from noise to the best of my ability, and acted on it. based on my "understanding" of bot/algo behavior at certain times, plus the behavior of other correlated markets (in this case, NASDAQ primarily)

now, after 30 mins of down on nasdaq with bitcoin going to $111k its really a perfect setup for continuation to upside if nasdaq or "the broader market" holds here

I can finally make my bacon and eggs

feel free to ask questions also if you saw my last thread

I'm not right, im not special, its just a method, my method

>>60897907
crypto market doesnt close- 24/7 dude

>>60898103
i am not even going to respond to this

>>60898110
ok smart guy im dumb- what do u mean by daily close? the stock market? the end of a 24h chart? nasdaq isnt even open this time of night

>>60898128
I honestly cant tell if you're trolling or seriously asking kek

>>60897913
Lmao

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not bad

i jeeted. jeet every pump. that concludes the thread. good day gentlemen

>>60898852
Grats on your win fren

to be clear I was trading ETH and closed that. I'm permalong btc
>>60898918
win some lose some. May your streak be bountiful

>>60898934
ty for the infodump. I was skeptical at first but after seeing what happened I want to learn how this all works more. That site you linked is interesting as fuck. What exactly does it mean when the bots start botting like you said? Did MMers just manipulate the daily close so bots they dont control fall in line with what they want (free price dump) so they could long from better positions?

>>60898165
im asking- cant tell if u dont know or do know how hard is it to explain in 6 words or less

>>60899187
he's talking about the daily candle time-frame's close. Doesn't matter if crypto is 24/7 it still has daily candles

>>60899155
theres always manipulation, and always bots+algos. the manipulator (or MM) is whoever has the most money at a certain time. At 00:00 UTC, it's pretty low volume on CEXes. with fewer trees it becomes easier to see the forest. Hence, on aggr.trade the manipulation or artificial/algo trading becomes apparent . this is stuff you dont see in normal charts

>What exactly does it mean when the bots start botting like you said?
In 2021 it was most often this. times in utc
>22:00-23:00 low volume
>23:00 irrational unrealistic increase in volume (no news)
>23:00 price trades up aggressively
>00:00 daily close
>00:30 chinamen start selling
>03:00 (or something) chinkman market opens, they sell even more
>china bans bitcoin
>evergrande

so, what does it mean? I cant tell. It's probably different every time. They manipulate to make it go up or down. They try to achieve this by
making the candle look a certain way during low volume. I theorize that a lot of bots trade trends. If the last day was green, perhaps they open long trades on the daily open, assuming a trend continuation

I also notice a lot of automatic buys and sells at exactly 00:01.

This makes sense.
It's kinda like the huge volume on S&P or nasdaq at market open.

>>60899187
fren, sorry for a jaded response. It's pretty fundamental knowledge so I wasn't sure if you were poorly trolling me (most /biz/raelis will know the following). Open a chart of BTC on tradingview, go to the 1D timeframe. There's days right? Otherwise there wouldnt be a daily chart with daily candles. They segment it somewhere, and the somewhere happens to be 00:00, UTC. It may be arbitrary, since it trades 24/7 as you say, but it is what it is.

and, at certain times there is high trading volume and at certain times there is low volume. For all intents and purposes, the day may as well start at US market open, because that's when the highest volume comes in that can set the price

Regardless, this isn't the case. since the trading volume is so low at 00:00 UTC, you dont need much money to move the market. (US markets close 2 hours before BTCs daily close)

In other words, this is a moment that's ripe for manipulation: you have the daily close coming up, which is something a lot of people and bots trade mindlessly, PLUS low trading volume in general.

>>60899155
>Did MMers just manipulate the daily close so bots they dont control fall in line with what they want
Exactly. this is the essence

>(free price dump) so they could long from better positions?
this may indeed the ultimate goal of such an event. However, I'm not really oriented on the manipulator's goal, because that's not something I can know. They manipulate it like fucking spaghetti, it could be up, down, or even backwards in time.

All I know is that this specific daily close manipulation either ends rather quickly, or it just RIPS on through. If it keeps ripping, I assume they made 'the bots they don't control fall in line', as you so eloquently described it.

If it stops abruptly, well, I could imagine many reasons why. But I wont know. all i know is, it stopped. this is evidenced by a decrease in volume and the price meeting meaningful resistance.

in this case, it stopped, and i assumed the up-trend that existed before the manipulation event would continue

it can also stop and actually keep increasing in volume. Other big players know this manipulation happens, and they may step in to countertrade it 'bigly'. that's very rare however

i think i've described all cases

>>60899287
That's phenomenal, thank you for the extra context. I've been listening to the tones for a few hours now and it's god damn fascinating hearing the cascades occurring during certain points helping me understand which way the manipulators are pushing at any given time. There's still so much noise, and the cluster bids still flip to cluster asks seemingly at random, but then again this is my first few hours looking into this thing. Its fucking awesome to use in conjunction with my other tools. Thank you

for some less experienced anons maybe there is worth in mentioning that this also explains, in part, why sundays are often giga pumps or giga dumps. the moar you know ...
>low volume,
>weekend,
>manipulation,
>US/EU market open front-running,
>sleeping burgers
>John McTradfi not allowed to trade outside office hours so he cant stop the gigapump/dump even if he wanted to
etc.

the bitcoin graph is an ongoing rollercoaster of different parties falling asleep and waking up, and then setting the price according to events that happened near them or very far away from them, in the past, right now, or in the future

it's pretty interesting

thats why they call bitcoin a liquidity index i guess

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>>60899293
oh you will love it.

Wait until you meet the "1 second buyer" (or seller) during low volume kek. $1.2M every second, for 10 mintues. overwhelming volume.

or the 'all at once' crew. manipulative giga dumps across ALL exchanges, in the same millisecond. total calamity mode.
thats when you usually know theyre gonna keep doing it for a while.
Whoever is throwing $10 million per minute at something, is oftentimes not about to stop very soon... a painful lesson for me

and the beeps, well, you'll be hearing them tomorrow, pic related

overall, it is very informative. it will take time to learn these things, drawing your own conclusions. just keep watching those charts. I believe that watching charts in real time has been a gigantic benefit for me. I dont have to believe it, my trading account reflects it.
What im saying is, I cant tell you what to look for, or, I cant tell you all patterns. it's intuition, and something you definitely develop/train over time. Still you will often be wrong. such is the market

and again, i trade successfully now, but only with a small % of my holdings. I dont advise any anons, especially new ones, to embark on a risky leverage trading journey. this is like high skill multiplayer gaming but for adults. it's just a little fun, and I'm not about to risk the farm

a little trading will allow you to test your meddle, and give you the sense of agency that humans crave so strongly, while not selling your long term BTC.

(if I didnt leverage trade, my monkey brain may start swing trading BTC spot and that's a very bad idea)

>>60899341
Why is swing trading bad? I keep hearing that.

>>60899380
dont swing trade your main btc stack. that's generational wealth. btc's best days are only 10-20 days in a year. miss enough of those days and you'll want to kill yourself.

those markets close 2 hours from now, after this dump it might be a good weekend to build a long

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trading is only profitable and fun if you divorce yourself from having to be right

>>60897666
Nah anon, don’t stress over these short-term dumps. Whales + bots play this game every close. I just focus on the long term — my Sui plays like Deepbook & Walrus are printing. Soon UTK to XMN on Sui too, expecting the same gains.

>>60901428
saar kindly do greeting to your village, they are of the highest regards, just swimmingly

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they might trade up ethereum all weekend again ...

altgoy market makers are certainly active already, looking at ETH and goylana

boomers will consider the Fair McPrice to be ~4325, their daily close of friday. pump until sunday night and then a CME dump

>>60902758
I feel like eth and sol just going to dump into Sunday