How much does it cost to grow your own food and become an independent liver?
>>60966160>saving 200 bucks a monthShitting, heating, driving, property tax, not living among niggers are much bigger positions that hate rape your wallet.
>>60966167yeah but i want to escape the jewish scammery though
>>60966160depends on too many factors. where you're located, do you own land already etc
>>60966160Didn’t luke smith try to do this until he ran out of fertilizer and had to go back to the city
>>60966190none im trying to find a perfect island to buy a few acres and ive shortlistedSardiniaMauritiusBali or Lombok>>60966200>fertilizerno jewish chemicals in my food im doing dried dung powder
>>60966184>jewish scammery>by eating leaves aka. green paper Your boss' name wont be Mr. Noseberg but Jud Süß.
>>60966160Everything. Being a subsistence farmer means having no cash and spending the vast majority of your working hours just trying to meet caloric requirements. Farming sucks. It's why you force the people you conquer to do it, historically. It's why today third worlders want to work 70 hour weeks in sweatshops instead of subsistence farming.
>>60966200the Unabomber Ted K would shit in his garden
>>60966222This. Its gay as fuck also>incel>living like the waltons
>>60966160too much work, no guarantees of a good harvest, farming is actually fucking shit and your children will hate you for it
>>60966222Lol this is bullshit. First of all you're not "farming" (ie growing food as a business or source of income). You're gardening, and you can grow more food than you could ever possibly eat on less than an acre. As long as you have irrigation in place, plants grow themselves and your garden doesn't require much maintenance per day.Thing to get into is canning and pickling because your crops are going to come all at once and you'll need to learn how to preserve them so you have meals throughout the year.
>>60966160Keep a few chickens and pigs and you will be far healthier than having acres of vegslop.
I have a 50 m2 orchard in sunny Spain with excellent terrain; you can grow anything but tropical stuff. From spring to mid-autumn is magical: strawberries, cherry tomatoes, lettuce, baby garlic, melons, peppers... I also have a fig tree, a peach tree, and a persimmon tree in the same land.But if the reason is money, I could buy the entire yearly orchard production for less than 150 bucks in my local market and safe a lot of time.
>>60966160>How much does it cost to grow your own food and become an independent liver?Cost in terms of money or in terms of labor?The answers are: Not that much, and way too much
>>60966243for me it's the bug bucket/free chickens.I could build and do any thing i need for small homestead, but i would miss sushi and have to learn that, then i thought, what are the chances some bumble fuck place in Maine has a sushi joint? what if i start one? what if it becomes popular and i hire some local kids to keep it going with me? just a thought
>>60966522>sushiwhat are you, some kind of chink
>>60966522>what are the chances some bumble fuck place in Maine has a sushi joint?Portland is America's foodie capital... somehow.I don't know why either.
>>60966277Also dogs, you can milk male dogs to get a nutritious fluid.
>>60966160You can find a lot of edible vegetables and nut walking in the Forrest 0 stress and is free
>>60966522>what are the chances some bumble fuck place in Maine has a sushi joint?Easily tons plus maine lobster sushi and it's imby one of the world's best fisheries. Portland would probably smoke your ass
>>60966160based on the 10 m2 vegetable patch in my garden, in order to feed my family i would need approx 2 acres or 8000 M2 of land which is yey much:
>>60966160How badly do you want to live off of potatoes or hard tack?
>>60966243>First of all you're not "farming" (ie growing food as a business or source of income).That's precisely the problem. A commercial farmer can make a lot of money. That's your julep-sipping gentleman farmer. Farming for a substantial portion of your caloric needs is incredibly illiquid.>you can grow more food than you could ever possibly eat on less than an acreThat cute infographic is wrong.
>>60966222Trips confirm.Farming is not profitable unless you have free labor or massive gov funding and write offs, whay do you think the farm owners chimp out whenever the gov tries to tax them?>>60966243>your acre dies out>soil is ruined by bad manure, sudden animals, disease, niggers>spics, chinks steal your crops>white guy burns it down for fun>harvest is poora-atleast I have a tomato after 100 days of planting it....
>>60966222Medieval peasants had half the days off working as farmers
>>60966243>t. person who has read a lot about homesteading and watched lots of videos with cute homesteader girls and bought into how super easy it is but has never actually done anything remotely resembling itthere is an insane amount of upkeep even for hardy plants because things want to eat what you grow you fucking moron. you're also not even considering harvest and replanting. planning all the details so you rotate shit successfully and don't nutrient torch your land. all that kind of shit. you're a fucking retard. die.
>>60966160A lot, if you want to live with that. I have two pots and a couple of seeds, and I rarely get tomatoes, It's still easier for me to buy them at the market as usual, that's what I've been doing with my dongs and my npc, with everything in general lmao
>>60966160it's retard pilled to try and grow all your own food, but exceptionally based to garden as a hobby and to fill some of your calories
>>60966243but you cant live off the few plants aloneyou need animalsand then it gets automatically more complicatedand then you also need to feed the animalsa garden is something yuu do as a hobby, so you have a few tomatoes and potatoes
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>>60966222>It's why today third worlders want to work 70 hour weeks in sweatshops instead of subsistence farming.this isnt true at all. when the british conquer a place they destroy al lthe industry and make them create ONE thing, this way they are dependent on the trade which the british control. thats why the south only made cotton, which got shipped to england which only sewed clothes together. india was forced to only create opium which the british shipped to china.
>>60968243>>60966522https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR08_pPZRbIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCCN4nq7BlQ
>>60968287>13 years: this is the future of food production!>now: company is literally for salekek
>>60968317Your mom is also for sale chud
>>60966160>how much does it cost?Whatever it costs to get the land and getting started up. Initially, it will be tough. Becoming self sufficient isn’t easy and will require you to still rely on outside sources to some extent. It’s something I was wanting to do years ago when I was living alone but couldn’t due to some unexpected issues with the family.
>>60966160most of the land that's for sale has low agricultural value and you can't grow shit without tons of fertilizers, which defeats the purpose
>>60968329okso how is this supposed to work exactly with no nutrient input?you think that stuff just grows on its own with only water?
>>60966160More than just buying it with a job. Not trying to be an asshole, but for better or worse the system we live under is hostile to the idea. Unless you already have the land and a large family who is 100% willing and able to go down that path you are almost certainly going to fail. Being a subsistence farmer is hard even if you grew up with it. All it takes is a bad season and pests to fuck you up. Read the history and you will see famines happen because of random shit like that.
>>60968555The modern food supply chain relies heavily on buying up stuff from world regions, where people were lucky with their crops, food production etc.
>>60968406In an aquaponics system, the nitrogen cycle naturally "fixes" fish waste into usable plant nutrients through a process called nitrification. Fish waste releases ammonia, which is converted by nitrifying bacteria first into nitrite and then into nitrates. These nitrates are then absorbed by plants as a crucial nutrient, effectively recycling the fish waste into plant fertilizer.
>>60966160too much for you, brokie thats for sureThis board gives me a giggle, make sure you're in work 8 sharpish tomorrow
>>60966160Bigger question is - do you even have skills for it.
I care for a medium-sized garden daily after work from late spring to late fall in New England, and I only have maybe a decade of experience. You don't need multiple acres to feed a family of 4, and it doesn't take a lot of time or skills. You can safely do so on maybe a few hundred square feet of sunny space, although your diet will be reduced to pretty much only pole beans and pole peas and a few miscellaneous other things for spice, flavor, and variety (think tomato, cilantro, dill, potato, cucumber, all very prolific value-dense crops). You can dry the beans and spices for the winter and pivot to leafy greens during that time, especially if you have some kind of greenhouse or cold frame. If you've got the extra space, then fruit trees and bushes, particularly raspberries etc, and plants like everbearing strawberries, can be very productive with very limited effort. Most fruit trees (not so much the bushes) are susceptible to a variety of diseases, which might make "independence" difficult as you might need special chemical fungicides, etc. Also gourds and pumpkins keep well thru the winter but take a disproportionate amount of space.If you stick with climbing pole beans and peas for almost all your calories you should be good. I also live near the ocean so I can get salt just by filling a few jars of water at the beach, but that might be challenging for others, though you can probably buy a lifetime's supply of salt pretty cheap and store it. Not sure if that violates OPs premise.I think meat will be all but impossible unless you can manage chickens or something similar. I don't have any experience with that. It won't be a glamorous lifestyle, but yeah pretty much the cheat code answer is pole beans growing on a long, tall fence. I would post a photo but all mine are >4MB, and I'm too lazy to convert.
>>60970134but you still need to feed the fish
>>60966160Here is a good answer.
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>>60971178>>60971213Or for the poorfags:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT950Vwrh9o
>>60966214I'd be careful of islands. Hawaii is the most expensive state in the USA because everything needs to be shipped there by airfreight. Appliances, liquor, antibiotics, shoes, everything. A few acres in Kentucky, West Virginia, in a low crime zip code with access to fresh water are all you need. You can dig a well, a pond, or buy a property that already has a fresh water source.
>>60966222This is true. I left corporate consulting five years ago for poultry farming full time. Granted, I did not know anything about farming, and did not have any equipment. I'm just now figuring it out. I work every day of the week from 6 or 7 am until 8pm, and usually get up at 12 or 1am to check on things. I have plenty to eat (roast duck, goat cheese, fried eggs), but any spare cash goes into construction materials, farm supplies, etc. I don't travel and my car cost $1800. Today, I hauled water to ducks, every two hours, put more roofing sheets on the chicken coop, collected eggs, walked the goats to the pasture, distributed 150 lbs of grain to 500 animals, etc etc. got in a nap of 20 minutes.
>>60967667Farming is not profitable if you try to complete with the big guys on staple commodities - corn, basedbeans, pork. Niche boutique products can be profitable: mail order orchids, goat milk soap, duck eggs, bison meat. City dwellers will pay top dollar for locally grown organic food and there is always a demand. Despite the hard work, I would never move back to a city, even if offered a million dollar townhouse. I love observing nature, there are no nutjob liberals telling me what I can and can't do. Also I don't have to pay rent anymore for the privilege of not being homeless. Being outdoors on my own I've also grown a lot as a person.
>>60968388Here's a breakdown of initial costs:10 acres $60kRV $15kTractor, lawn mower, tiller, brush hog $30k-$100kCattle, horses $2500 eachFencing, gates $5-10kDriveway $2-8kBarn $25/sq ft, 1200 sq ftElectric supply $3kUsed pickup truck $15kWater source (well) $10k or rainwater collection $1k from barnMisc tools, supplies, clothing $3kFirearms $2kTrailer hitch $1kAnimal feed for the year $2-5kList goes on
>>60968275You're just wrong. In Southeast Asia, this is the decision people actually have to make, and they largely want to get away from the rice paddies, because agricultural labor sucks and always will.
World is already too poisoned to do this anywhere without getting your lifespan shortened more a/o government up your bum every step of that way since you tried to dodge the normal slave-system
>>60966160The biggest expense is the land itself.You can build a house with dirt itself (rammed earth, earth blocks, adobe), you can build it with stone if there is any stone deposit on public land near your house (e.g., a rocky river or a mountain), you can build it with logs if your land was forested when you bought it. And if your land had trees (that you cleared), you can use them to build all sorts of furniture (such as bed frames, tables, chairs, cabinets, etc.) and other necessary structures (such as chicken coop, firewood rack, bird houses, etc.), as well as have a large amount of firewood for the coming winters.Needless to say, you'll need tools for that. If you don't have anyone to lend you or gift you the tools, you'll probably spend a few hundred dollars to get them.You'll need either firebricks for a masonry heater or a cast iron wood stove to survive the winter (a small wood stove costs at least a couple hundred dollars).You'll need to buy seeds and saplings, and animals such as chickens/rabbits/fish/honeybees, if you can't find a group of generous gardeners/homesteaders to share with you. You can grow a shit ton of food in a relatively small amount of land. Potato yield per hectare is 20.000-40.000 kg, meaning you can grow 200 kg of potatoes in just 100 square meters. The average person eats 30-50 kg of potatoes per year. Numbers are similar for most other crops, so you can see that you'll be able to grow plenty of food. You'll probably spend a few hundred dollars in this.You could dig an underground cellar to preserve food long-term, but you should buy masonry jars for canning and a dehydrator or freeze drier if possible (costs from hundreds to thousands of dollars).
>>60972371The biggest limiter when gardening/farming is water, and the most time-consuming activity is watering. You'll need a water well and/or a rainwater harvesting system with a big enough water tank as well as a watering system. This can cost from hundreds to thousands of dollars easily.You can find used solar panels for relatively cheap compared to new, just a few hundred dollars. As long as you only power the essentials (freezer/fridge, lighting, a fan instead of AC), you should be set.You might other stuff such cast iron or stainless steel pots and such, but you can find used ones for relatively cheap (even free), and you can take your time collecting the rest of the stuff.The most important is getting a source of water, then a source of heat, then a roof.When living like this, you can also hunt. A buck can give you upto 100 kg of meat at once, for instance.You see that you can save a lot of money living like this, but doing self-sufficiency alone will be hard. It's better to have a job either remote or not to supplement whatever you might need.
>>60966222>>60966233>>60967655>>60967667Why do you fags assume that he's going to be a commercial farmer? He's going to feed only himself, not half a city.Every time this topic comes up, there's a gorillion shills trying to scare people away from self-sufficiency. You're literally that redditor that gets scared and starts crying when he goes outside a big densely populated city.
>>60968317>>13 years: this is the future of food production!>>now: company is literally for sale>kekIt could mean that the company is successful but too much work for the owners/founders. It doesn't necessarily mean it's inviable.
This sounds really great but in reality you’re going to be busy more than a usual 9-5 just surviving. There’s a reason why we decided to all specialize and decide that subsistence farming sucks.
>>60966277Checked.
>>60968105>plants seeds out of season in dead dirt and waters them once a month>"damn i rarely get tomatoes this is hard better just buy them"
>>60971409>10 acres $60kMake it 3 acres.>RV $15kUnnecessary.>Tractor, lawn mower, tiller, brush hog $30k-$100kUnnecessary. He isn't going to grow food for half a city, only himself. He can do it by hand.>Cattle, horses $2500 eachWhy would he need horses if he has a tractor? And a cow is too much for a single person. He should have sheep or goats if he wants dairy. He doesn't need dairy, though, so for simplicity and frugality he could raise fowl and fish instead.>Fencing, gates $5-10kUnnecessary (assuming he doesn't have livestock).>Driveway $2-8kIf he's using horses like you expect him to, he doesn't need a driveway.>Barn $25/sq ft, 1200 sq ftUnnecessary. Maybe a shed to save tools and crops for winter.>Firearms $2kWhy so much? A cheap AR15 is $300, a shotgun $200, a thousand rounds of ammo is $300-500.>Animal feed for the year $2-5kHe can grow his own feed. That's what land is for. Not to mention he can feed his animals his food leftovers and food going bad.
>>60972425The reason is that people got kicked out of their land through taxes and other bullshit or incentivized to work in city factories.He's going to be a homesteader, not a hunter-gatherer nomad.
>>60972457You sound like an idiot. Truly.
>>60972468Says the fag adding needless expenses and consoooming because the TV jew told him to.
>>60972467No, actually farming fucking sucks. Go look this stuff up right now. It seems nice and bucolic but it’s really hard work and OP is better off just not being a consoooooomer instead of going full-on Ted Kaczynski.
>>60972488It fucking sucks when you need to feed half a city. Back then most people had their own farm/homestead and had enough calories and free time to wage war every fucking weekend.
>>60972457Have you even planned, sown, harvested, processed, and stored the yield from a single acre? By hand is a massive undertaking.
>>60972510I haven't, but I've read comments from people who have.They said a person can do one to three acres easily in a day.And it's not like you do all of those at the same time. You do one, chill for 3 months, then do the other, and so on.
>>60972526>I haven't, butPipe down then.
>>60972544You too, fag.
There's a thread on gardening/farming/homesteading on /out/. Go ask them if it takes them all day every day just to stay alive, and if they would rather go back to being a wageslave.
>>60972546I've actually done it. With mechanization it's doable, but by hand it's a fucking nightmare. Tilling and planting are work enough, but you've got the everyday tasks of weeding and watering, occasional tasks like thinning and processing waste into compost. And thats just to get the harvest. Afterwards you have to pull all that shit up, bring it in, process it so it doesn't go bad, and god help you if you've planted wheat that shit has like five extra processing steps involved to get you to flour. It's not for everybody, and /out/ is the definition of survivorship bias on this matter: of course, the hobbyists are going to not mind the effort, its what they do for fun.
>>60972577You're moving the goalposts now, see? First it's a "massive undertaking", now it's "i-it can be done if you don't mind the effort".There's different levels of mechanization. For instance, there's a foot-powered machine that helps you thresh wheat, and you can use a fan to winnow it and a small food processor to mill it.And there are other crops that are easier to process, such as hullless oats, corn, etc.No need for $50K equipment like the other anon posted.
>>60972595It's not moving the goalposts: It's a massive undertaking AND it can be done, if you discount all the effort you put into it to zero. Gardens and small farms run by hobbyists do well because for them, putting effort into it is their version of entertainment. I don't begrudge them that, but for the homestead to make sense, at minimum a person would have to like both gardening and cooking, and that requirement alone probably filters 2/3rds of the general population.
>>60972636True.
>>60966160Only your own labor, but you'll quickly find that you're going to be spending most of your time growing your own subsistence and that you won't have the time (or energy) for much else. To use modern tools that reduce this time commitment, you'll have to start relying on things that by definition make you non-independent, like fuel and heavy machinery. Also don't forget things like water, waste, roads, logistics, internet, electricity, etc.Self-subsistence is basically a pipe dream. It can exist, sure, but you really have to think about what you're giving up to achieve it. Property taxes in developed nations also make it virtually impossible since you need a form of income to pay the taxes.>>60966184You will find no solace in running from jewish people. It is exceedingly difficult to escape from capital, not even capitalists can do it.
>>60966160Apparently you can get 76 acres in Bulgaria for 1 BTC.Also, there's an old book called "Five Acres and Independence" which you can find all over the web and download for free. It was a 1930s (Great Depression) era book on how to survive the Jewish banker crisis.
>>60966219>Your boss>Jud Süßthis
>>60972488>actually farming fucking sucksbullshitit so less work , the stuff grows literally by itselfthe problem is there is not enough land for everyone to farm. thats why people moved into cities.
>>60972701The Amish have a system that works. They have 6-12 kids per family and the parents live with one of their kids as well. So that's a workforce of 15 people to handle food production, maintenance. They don't believe in lending so they buy properties in cash and get baths built within the first month. They all work full time as well, mostly in roofing and construction. I locked my keys in my car at the Amish feed store last week and the owner told me I should just get a horse.
>>60973883based amish feed store owner
>>60972407Feeding himself is precisely the problem; it's time consuming, requires cash to fix shit that's constantly breaking, and doesn't make you money. That's what makes it subsistence farming. Historically, it came with nutritional deficiencies because you're cash poor and a very monotonous diet because you're cash poor.The only thing worse than working on a farm, is working on a farm, and not even making money from it.
>>60974351The best thing to do is obviously to be rich and then run a small food production "farm" with one part time employee to feed your family top notch shit at break even after ten years if you count the enjoyment from petting the cows.
>>60974942That's basically all your idyllic homestead vloggers. It's a similar variation on the "small town ballet shoe store that makes no money, but the owner's husband owns the card dealership/is a bank VP/etc"
>>60975067I have a used bookstore that makes no money but allows me to accrue a large collection of books available for my reading.By the end of it I'll have a retard tier level bookstore in the middle of nowhere.
>>60972407because i was born into this shit, i get to see first hand how my parents work their jobs and then come home to their oversized garden, and i get to see the toll it takes on them
>>60972457>He doesn't need dairy, though,Is he some kind of chink that he can't digest dairy, THOUGH?>fencing/gates unnecessaryyou still need to account for vermin that will eat your crops>He can grow his own feed. That's what land is for. How about one of the veritable horde of factors that will cause a bad harvest of xyz?>Not to mention he can feed his animals his food leftovers and food going bad.Dogs, pigs and chickens are more or less omnivorous. Cattle are not.
