>Babe it's time for the announcement for your monthly tariff fuckeryYou gotta love how the only way the market can deal with this month after month is just fucking ignoring it and assuming he'll chicken out
desu any tariff fuckery is priced in at this point especially after that one time he brought out the giant black and gold list kek>captcha: goypa
does the base really just eat the smoke and mirrors?>all companies announce they're "breaking ground" on the last day of september>Trump announces massive victory,>100% global pharma now based in the US of A!">companies are still breaking the same ground 3 1/2 years later
>>60995239Sounds like you are describing conspiracy to commit tariff fraud, a serious offense
>>60995239Given how easily he flip flops it's probably just easier for them to commit to usual business as it's not worth investing the next 14 months to develop and build new manufacturing sites when the tariff can change five times before then.
>>60995258Not really. He only said they have to be under construction. Just happens that construction is taking a really, REEEAALLLY long time.Whoops, forgot to order materials again, guess that's another uh... 8 months delay? Oh clumsy me...
Get ready for another 3 years of this, you earned it.
>>60995274To avoid taco damage all they have to do is make it in the US though?All you have to do is make it in the united states and then tariffs will never hurt you
>>60995239Oh nooooooo on shoring critical medical manufacturing... the HORROR! SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
>>60995345you are DANGEROUSLY close to aiding and abetting a criminal conspiracy. Tread carefully
>>60995147There is no way he wont taco on this100% tariffs would be medical shortages and catastrophic insurance hikes for already stressed average people
>>60995579I mean he's already responsible for both of those, what's one more?
>>60995364Why would they make it in the US when they can do it at 1/10 the cost in India?
>medical bills already enough to bankrupt people regularly >lets make it more expensive
>>60995364>make it in the US>now can only sell it in the US thanks to retaliatory tariffs and boycotts on US goods in other countriesBy all metrics under the circumstances Trump is creating, it isn't fucking worth it to build in the US. In addition to the extra costs of selling outside the US, you have to worry about increased materials cost, constant shifting of the tariffs that make it impossible to determine costs of doing business, and, in the case of these medical companies, RFK's shenanigans. The hurt from paying tariffs is far less than the hurt from having to play ball with all that shit.
>>60995596americucks are really fucking funny. they've been spreading this neoliberal/neocon/"libertarian" bullshit for decades and now they are destroying it all because... it didn't benefit them enough, apparently??? fucking kek.
>>60995601Not to mention labor problemsThe educated base doesnt exist and now everyone in every industry is scrambling to get the diminishing percentage thats trainableThe tariffs might have worked if done phased sector per sector but all at once is impossibleThe only potential laborpool left is the welfare complex so i guess single mom section 8 shaniqua gon be da bio engineer noaw
>>60995616Oh don't forget if you're a foreign-originating company with cutting edge/exclusive tech that needs proper training to operate, you're better off just not doing anything in the US considering all the ICE and visa shenanigans. Hyundai learned that the hard way and now I doubt they'll wind up sending any more trainers to get those factories up and running.
>>60995596>>medical billskek Americans
>>60995612It’s funny. Europeans beat them at their own ”based” political theories they came up with (free trade and capitalism) so they threw a huge hissyfit and decided to go full mercantilism. It’s like watching a 14 yo lmao
>>60995657More like the Indians and Chinese didIt's true that a lot of industrial machinery and equipment is made in Europe
>>60995626I have cheap insurance and they charged me $350 for a routine blood test. How much does that cost outside of burgerland?
>>60995536Shut the fuck up, fed
>>60995623Yes that was also one of the dumbest things to doNo professional is going to go train anything in the usa now if you risk getting thrown in makeshift prisoncamps together with the hardcore drugcriminal elementIf the company overstepped some it should have been handled with a fine, not taking honest workers that had no intention of staying illegally at all and were in fact told they were permitted and brutalize them
>>60995364It's too stacked against them at the moment. Trump changing signals on tariffs all the time, RFK and the entire health department doing whatever they feel like, not to mention everything else in regard to building (hiring, paperwork, legal shit, contracting, etc). People often say to use the carrot and the stick but where's the carrot for these companies? It's either continue as normal and take the stick (tariffs) or move to the US and get hit by five sticks for something that could be reversed by the time they're done setting up.
>>60995676free
>>60995676Free with public health insurance. If you have a private insurance, between $4 and $22. Third World btw.
>>60995676Free in western/northern europe. That said, we don’t do anything ”routine” unless it’s absolutely needed to have as little useless examinations as possible. Normal healthy adult people don’t need routine check ups, that money and time is better spend elsewhere. Another crazy thing about american healthcare is the amount of not needed routine check ups done to those with money while the streets are filled with sick homeless people. It’s part of the reason why the american healthcare system is so infamously inefficient (money being spend vs the amount of people who get treated). Resources are spend on those who pay for them, not those who need it. T. Northern european doctor
>>60995676its free or if you want it for non-medical reasons then its anywhere from 40 to 480 depending on what they're testing
>>60995239Wasnt this basically what happened with that big chink factory thingy he was bragging about getting built? Cant remember its name, Foxcon or some shit like that?
>>6099567620$ in my country>b-but muh taxesAlso I can have 3months every year of paid medical leave by telling my doctor Im depressed Working class taxes in my country is like 8% more than in the US. Atleast I get something from the taxes I pay (unlike americans)>captcha 2DGOY
>>60995676>>60995874>>60995879>>60995738Healthcare expenditure is on average 10% of the gdp in Europe. The taxpayer pays for that.
>their president now gambles with critical suppliesKek. Johnny, you'd better be ready for medieval-tier medicine. That is, if Trump doesn't chicken out, which he likely will.
>>60995945Wow, what’s your actually working alternative? Capitalism isn’t a perfect system. Sometimes state planned socialism is more efficient. It’s stupid to believe that any single ideology will always bring the vest result.
>>60995239It's just the Trump reality-distortion effect, getting away with vibe shit that no other Republican could get away with, because no other Republican has his charisma. It has its limits, though, and when the concrete reality sets in, blame games never work. People always blame the dude in charge. Midterms could be a bloodbath.
>>60995969The extended family should take care for itself. Let childless boomers sleep in the bed they made.
>>60996023Okay, just some super simplistic super general throw away thoughts
>>60995969>Sometimes state planned socialism is more efficientrigorously impossible
>>60995945and 16.5% in the US
>>60995147He's killing the US right wing at an incredible speed. If he ever goes down, every single one of his policies will be seen as a part of his disaster, and we will see a bloody liberal pushback further than anything of the Wokest era. Any sensible RW movement should at this point detach itself from him and save some credibility to fight another day instead of going down with him.
>have all your meds made by jeets in jeetdia instead of in america>crying like jews when big pharma have to settle for making 60% profits instead of 95% profits by scamming americansjust go to mexico and buy the same shit then
>>60996344The APIs manufactured in India and China are generics, which have razor-thin profit margins—very much a race-to-the-bottom industry. The 5000% markup drugs are mostly produced domestically already.t. probably-soon-to-be-laid-off pharma industry analyst
>>60995147He's right to do this because the welfare state is completely unsustainable and is leading to the collapse of civilisation. You can either have manufacturing and jobs return to your nation or you can have economic collapse and a failed state.You can't pay millions upon millions of people to stay at home and simultaneously replace them with foreign slave labour subsidised by the taxpayers. The Gulf states can currently do this because they have tiny populations and large oil reserves, they don't give any rights or benefits to migrant labour whatsoever and they only have to glance at a native the wrong way to be sent back to Pajeetistan.The reason the elites like this system is because it drains the wealth of the nation into their pockets like a giant pyramid scheme.
>>60996610The American welfare state is extremely small for everyone below the age of 65.
>>60996610Welfare state is not what's choking western economy, but ever growing bureucratic overhead and red tape.Government clerk is being paid at least 2-3 times as much as some loser on welfare. And unlike that loser who isn't interfering with anyone, clerks 'work' is actively hurting real economy by creating bullshit barriers that need getting around - creating another bullshit 'work' position in private sector.So effectively, single bullshit compliance position collectively wastes as much productivity as having 5 losers on welfare. And there is A LOT of bullshit compliance in the USA nowadays.
>>60995184This.t. importerI raised everything like 40% right off and make better money anyway this way.As in Trump made the announcement and within five minutes I bulk updated all prices 15% and then removed all "sale prices".Haven't had to touch them since except on special orders.
>>60995596MORE WEIGHT
>>60996621>The American welfare state is extremely small for everyone below the age of 65.found a retard. "Welfare state entitlement programs are government-mandated benefits, like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and TANF etc.""In 2023, just over 31.2 million people ages 19 to 64 were enrolled in Medicaid, making up the majority of Medicaid beneficiaries. Total U.S. Medicaid spending reached approximately $871.7 billion in 2023.""In Fiscal Year (FY) 2024, the major U.S. entitlement programs—Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid—accounted for approximately 50% of all federal spending, representing a significant and growing portion of the budget."It's in the trillions when you add all other programs
>>60996825>$26k / year healthcare spending per enrolled beneficiaryThe power of government efficiency
>>60995239This is literally whats going to happen kek.>>60995258Oh you mean those tariffs being challenged in the Supreme Court right now retard? And you think big pharma has no lawyers or what?
>>60995479>makes children medication 100% more expensive until then
>>60995981>when the concrete reality sets inYeah, like the various basedbean farmers getting absolutely fucked right now. The tariffs have ruined their ability to export their goods and lots of foreign nations have switched to other suppliers. Its Trump 1 all over again except this time we have an even more useless congress so I don't expect any real relief for the farmers.>Midterms could be a bloodbath.If you look at the trends in all the special elections this year so far, democrats have over performed by something like +12. For instance, in Arizona they had Grijalva (D) win 68.7% to 29.6%. Harris did 46.7% in Arizona, and in the largest county in that house district she did 57%. This means that Grijalva over performed by 22% compared to the stsate, and 11% in that county.If numbers like that keep showing up, we're going to see a very nasty midterms for them even with gerrymandering, several of which are set to be thrown out anyway via the courts, such as Utah and perhaps Missouri. As an aside, if latinos move left enough a lot of the gerrymandering actually harms Republicans because they're relying on their 2024 performance numbers. This is called a 'dummymander'.
>Thank you for your attention to this matterI hate this guy
>>60995147pharma companies already said it takes multiple years to build a manufacturing plant. also this tariff makes no sense. many of the high margin specialty drugs are made in the US or EU. the stuff outsourced to indian manufacturing plants are generic drugs, because the margins are so low they need low cost turdskin labor to make any money on it.
>>60996768The welfare state exists to empower the bureaucratic state and its benefactors. It is a pyramid scheme and it's sucking the wealth and prosperity out of America and into the hands of International finance.
can this faggot fuck off holy shit
>>60996884>As an aside, if latinos move left enough a lot of the gerrymandering actually harms Republicans because they're relying on their 2024 performance numbersOh they will because they stupidly voted Republican under the belief Trump only meant "the bad ones" and then watched their friends and family get disappeared into camps.
>>60995354>>60995587>>60995596>>60996892kek trannies, you lost
>>60995239Yes. The story of the last decade is anyone with a brain on the right swallowing their disgust for niggers and fags and leaving. This leaves behind sycophants, incompetents, and people with no self respect whose only guiding principle is that whatever he's doing now, never mind his or their own position the day before, is correct.
>>60997118Latinxes just like retarded populist dictators that fuck up the economy on the basis of crackpot theories. South America is the world champ in Fell For It Again medals.
>>60995239>noooo trump can't lie to make himself popular, only democrats are allowed to do that
>>60996792Based and Giles Corey-pilled
>>60997123>Literally can't cite a positive about this admin's economic policy>"uh, but he won libtards, take that"Pure cope at the utter failure that is this admin. In a few years time I imagine most republicans will start swearing they didn't vote for him.
>>60997238It turns out "you will own nothing except the libs" is only appealing to resentful failures and retards on Xitter.
>>60997118>>60997168Interviews right after the election had scores of latinos who voted for him saying they agreed it was "only the bad ones" who he'd go after. Then recent interviews with latino Trump voters regretting their vote after friends and family who illegally entered 30+ years ago getting snatched up.They really were too stupid to connect the dots on election day.Even without that, the rise in grocery prices, drop in jobs, etc is enough to piss anybody off, even whites who like the deportations. You can only drop tariff nvke after tariff nvke on your economy for so long before its hurting every single voter. That 37% approval rating is going to get lower by November 2026. I'm expecting at least another 5% drop. There's probably a solid 20-30% though who will never stop liking him.
>>60997383His absolute floor is around 30%. The ultra-MAGA people are 1984-tier brainwashed zombies and will never even think of criticizing him.
>>60997383We won't even see the full effects of tariffs until 2026 because of how they've been deferred. Things are bad now, but they're probably going to be worse in the near future.Midterms will be a bloodbath. Feel bad for anyone starting their career or losing their job in the middle of yet another "once in a generation" recession.
>>60997569>Feel bad for anyone starting their career or losing their jobThis also applies to all the government workers, new and old. There's certain career paths that are virtually ONLY government jobs that have had their pipelines devastated.No way Virginia doesn't go deep blue these midterms.
>>60997383People also see how unfair and corrupt the tariffs are, with politically connected companies able to get exemptions the little guy can't.
>>60996333Checked.This is how it was always going to happen. The United States is setting up for a socialist government unlike any seen in its history and it will come at the worst time. The Dollar is going to get crushed and everything Trump is doing right now, by unleashing the full power of the executive in economic affairs, will backfire massively once the left mimics this era but goes next level as they respond to the worst economic crisis in world history.
>>60998588It's easier to imagine a world where the Democrats are tough on crime and immigration (think Bloomberg) than one where the Republicans do something besides crash the economy.
>>60995676In Canada it’s 1/4 of your paycheck for your whole life
>>60998849This unironically sounds infinitely better than multiple entire paychecks if you need to go to the hospital.
>>60997238Markets at all time highLegislation getting pushed through to push crypto even higher
>>60998857Don’t worry. It’s not. I have to sit in the emergency room for 4 hours every time I visit for every minor thing. I’d happily pay a premium.
I'm confused. How is he announcing new tariffs if the old ones are supposedly illegal?
>>60998862>Markets at all time highThe market doesn't mean shit when everything is more expensive and the dollar is losing shittons of value. Jobs are rapidly becoming non-existent and wages remain stagnant as tons of small businesses are forced to close. This is not a healthy economy by any metric.
>>60995239It's all so tiresome
>>60995354It will be the greatest bull market and bubble pop in history.
>redditors rather have 3rd world shitters like jeets be in control of everything to save a buckand you faggots blame boomers for selling the country down the shit river
>>60999039yeah this is why the west is fucked. wont be easy to reverse
>>60999039>Guys come on just accept things becoming more expensive while wages remain stagnant
Food is now completely unaffordable due to tariffs. People are starving. I don't think our country can last 3 more years of this stolen presidency.
Considering TACO, this news in unfathomably bullish considering the market frontran this news.
>>60999039There's nothing about reducing immigration that necessitated a trade war against the entire world simultaneously. And every version of Cheeto Gorbachev's "tariff negotiations" with India is done variation of "we reduce trade barrier, but you must give millions of Indians visas, bloody gora bastard."
>>60995676>I have cheap insurance and they charged me $350 for a routine blood test.feels like $20 in SEA IIRC. in any case it's a forgettable amount
>>60999351yeah wonder who in that democratic country decided its fine to disconnect the dollar value from gold to allow printing with no limits. people should have said no way to that but they just let it happen and also everything that followed they allowed to happen too
>>60999573Yeah that has nothing to do with why things are more expensive. More the incredibly simple explanation of "we added more taxes to importing things, and turns out almost everything requires some level of imports"
>>60999578thats a new problem though. people lived before globalization and all necessities were produced locally. now the means to produce anything has all been given away to random shitholes to save a penny. the long term price of this clowning is naturally that less and less people will be able to afford anything. trump has the right idea that the border needs to be closed and production moved back home but at this stage its far easier said than done
>>60999597>thats a new problem though.as is this new wave of inflation that is directly tied to Trump's tariffs.Also, maybe retard should've invested and built infrastructure instead of declaring trade war on the entire world, then hoping people will consider it worth it to spend years building in the US even as he makes it more expensive to both do so and ship outside of the US.
>>60999597>people lived before globalization and all necessities were produced locallyYeah. They were poor. It's why they spent way more on food and clothes. It's why a lot more kids ran around barefoot - they didn't want to spend the money on shoes that kids would outgrow. Comforts formerly only the domain of the wealthy becoming accessible is a good thing.Anyway, the tariffs failed and are harming your beloved blue collar productive work. Cabinet makers are shutting down because the Canadian lumber they were using got tariffed. Manufacturing employment and output is down. You and Trump are simply wrong about how the world works.
>>60995623>>60995699Just stop trying to get around it and hire the percentage of Americans that can do what you want. If you can't entice them to work for you, offer them more money, stock options and proper benefits, like all jobs here should have been doing the entire time. Don't want to do business here otherwise? Fuck off back to the third world.>Something something economicsWe own this planet, the rest of you just live here. Unironically. It'll do what we want or we'll burn it down. Simple as.
>>60999678>Just stop trying to get around it and hire the percentage of Americans that can do what you want.Yeah the percentage of Americans who already know how to operate and maintain that level of tech is fucking 0. You think they'd go through all the extra legal issues and travel expenses if it was as simple as "oh just hire americans who know how to do it lol"? The Savannah Economic Development Authority actually admitted the only way that Hyundai factory opens is with those foreign workers coming back, and even Trump tried to offer them a chance to come back and work only for all but 1 of them to tell him to fuck off.>We own this planet, the rest of you just live here.Yeah this kind of douchebag arrogance is exactly why we're rapidly losing ground to China, who are many things but at least know how to shut the fuck up and let your competition drive everyone to you.
>>60999678Congratulations, you made the dollar weaker, so Americans can buy less, but simultaneously made American goods more expensive such that they're less competitive for export than they were before April 2025.Your guy also ran a 2T deficit that's even more expensive to service because his trade policies are so nonsensical that it spiked bond yields just as the Treasury was issuing bonds. Fucking retards.
>>60999688Its never zero you mouthbreathing mongoloid. The entire world's base of viable talent lives here in America. All of it. Everyone from Germany, France, the UK, East Asia, all the way down to fucking Burma moves to the US seeking financial opportunity - if you need something and you can't hire people in America to do it, there is nowhere you can hire people to do it.The unresolved question is whether or not they'll pay for top-tier talent because we're not willing to work like thirdies. We'll burn the whole damn country down before we do even one hour of unpaid overtime or work for anything less than the highest wages in the world. If you're willing to pay for America, you get America. Not before.
>>60999723>Congratulations, you made the dollar weakerGood thing we're deporting all the browns and ending remittances and cheap work visas then. We're going to reduce the population in this nation by about a third and draft another third to fight the Chinese in the next couple of decades. It'll relieve a lot of economic pressure on Americans by virtue of killing or PTSD-ing everybody else and thus reducing demand and inflating supply (relative to demand) of consumer goods.
>>60999651life used to be more than just collecting money
>>60998762Rs and Ds has the same policies for 30 years retard.This is literally the first slight deviation in decades.
>>60999724>Guys we have so much talent that we're actively driving awayIt literally is 0 anon. Hence why that factory is fucking closing and we're gonna lose thousands of jobs. Operating brand new tech needs to training by either the teams that made it or teams those teams trained. Ironically, we would've had Americans who would've been trained... had ICE not swooped in, pissed off the South Koreans doing it, causing them to leave before they actually finished training them.To think you're too big to fail is the fucking height of arrogance. Eventually, people will find ways to stop playing ball.
>>60999794Shouldn't have built a Korean factory that needed to be staffed by Koreans in America then. Next time commission an American company to build an American factory that can be staffed by Americans. We'll take the Koreans' check, that doesn't mean they're allowed to stay. Fuck off, we're full.>Eventually people find ways to stop playing ballWe're TRYING to get you to fuck off because we're full! Its a deliberate episode of not wanting you, or anyone else who isn't American, to play ball here - you can spend your money here, market your products here, for US, if you want to, but you can't stay and you can't extract wealth from us any longer because that brown thirdie bullshit doesn't fly anymore. We would absolutely love it if the rest of the world would just drop dead tomorrow, that would be fantastic. Regardless of what it does to your stonks, Anon.
>>60999726>we're deporting all the browns and ending remittances and cheap work visas thenWe're only doing the first, and nevertheless giving a bunch of exemptions>Apocalyptic war somethingYeah, insane nihilists should be kept as far from the reigns of power as possible.>>60999749How's that working out?
>>60999813>Shouldn't have built a Korean factory that needed to be staffed by Koreans in America thenRetard, listen. The factory involves the cutting edge tech used to make cutting edge cars. That tech is so new and so expensive, people need to be properly trained to use it. The only people who know how to use it are the Korean workers from the company itself. The ones who are now back in South Korea, not training anyone. The factory now cannot open, and if we were to somehow get another company to open a factory using the same place, even leaving aside all the legal issues considering Hyundai would need to sell it to them, they would not have access to that cutting edge. The "American Factory" you speak of would produce an different product.So, by blowing up that deal, now instead of having an American factory that would be staffed by American workers to produce Korean cars, we now have no factory and must purchase those cars from a Korean Factory staffed by Korean workers. To say "America can just produce everything on its own!" is to be completely ignorant of how modern trade and demand works.
>>60999794What were seeing is the familiar pattern we've seen in Latin America of some populist retard with crackpot economic ideas and impractical promises making the country agreement incapable for business and running things straight into a sovereign debt or monetary crisis.
>>60999875its the natural cycle. democracy does not work because 99% of voters don't care enough and just pick whoever sounds cool
