Every time the government shuts down and things move right along without all these "non essential" government workers I do wonder why we don't just fire them permanently.
it's welfare. most of the army is also welfare. it needs to exist, but dressing it up as bullshit jobs makes people feel better about themselves and republican voters are easily fooled by it
>>61033404How are republicans easily fooled by it? We are for small government and we know these jobs are fake bullshit and they’re over paid by a lot. Dems are the retards who think these are essential jobs that provide real value because dems are fucking retards with no understanding of history or economics.
>>61032250The public sector is literally a welfare program and that's its stated purposeThey hire people who are too retarded to get hired by the productive private sector, there's a reason why minorities and women are overrepresented in the public sectorI respect actual welfare recipients more, at least they don't cause morning rush hour traffic
>>61033464do you want a big military?
>>61032250It's not like planes start falling out of the sky when the government shut down. Most things we use are run by private industry or local/state authorities not the federals. You would only really notice the shutdown if you use a federal service or program, work for or with the government (contractors, defense industry, or others), or need some federal paperwork done. The fact that most people are unaffected by a shutdown in the short term is a great thing, but that's doesn't mean you have carte-blanche to fire the whole federal government. If it drags on for too long, it would eventually become problematic for more and more people.
>>61032250the people who actually run the day to day operations of the government have created a system that doesn't instantly collapse when it is undermanned. doesn't mean it can run forever like that
>>61033478Yep. You thought outright black welfare is bad? The only reason a "black middle class" exists is because THEY ARE ALL ON MAKE WORK GOVERNMENT JOBS
Every office has a few people band-aiding everything together until there's funding to get people to come back so the wheels don't come off. Also most of these jobs are necessary. Even Republicans don't want to eliminate most of it, they just want to sell the contracts to their billionaire buddies. Which would end up being a disaster and cost more than just paying regular people a decent wage. >sorry a bunch of people died from chlorine in the chicken our advanced AI module said Walmart was trustworthy enough to forgo inspections this year xD no refunds!>sorry Jamal fresh out prison making $8 an hour didn't stop that plane hijacking luckily our trillion dollar TSA contract says we can't be held liable for these sort of abnormalities Also the private sector isn't any better. Look at shit like HBO, Intel, Boeing, Ford, GM. All retarded zombie companies that only exists from the government bailing them out due to greed and mismanagement.Son yeah obviously I'm a glowie and will admit they have it better than most middle class jobs but when the alternative is even worse performance at an even higher cost to taxpayers just to pad the pockets of some high ranking politicians family it's a necessary evil. I would advise getting a fed job yourself but they're pretty horrible now too.
>>61033464Lmao republicans DO NOT have a deep understanding of history or economics. Thinking you do is a peak example of the dunning-kruger effect of republicans. No wonder USA is sliding in relevancy when you are this sure of yourself but still stupid.
>>61033478The centrally planned public healthcare sectors of many european countries are more efficient than the private healthcare system of USA. The private sector being always more productive than public sector is another myth the very rich fooled republicans into thinking.
>>61033911That is incorrect. They are existent, but not efficient. Wait times are notoriously high in Canada and the UK.
>>61033919Lol more claims without any data to support it. American intelligence really is trash tier these days.
>>61033951Spending a lot isn't indicative of inefficiency dumbass. If you serve more patients at better quality care it costs more.
>>61033963Enjoy your empire being replaced, you deserve it.
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>>61033976It's actually a good thing for the nation if old/fat people die earlier, if we're speaking in terms of barebones game theory and realpolitik.
My sister is a federal employee and she's paying me rent to stay at my house while I live in Thailand. I hope the government sorts their shit out soon.
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>>61033487>do you want a big military?Yes, absolutely. What else backs our dollar? It's called 'peace through strength' not 'peace through asking politely.'>>61033752>Also most of these jobs are necessary.Stopped right there. >>61033870>Lmao republicans DO NOT have a deep understanding of history or economics. This is false. Democrat voters are overwhelmingly low-information. They get their information from Netflix documentaries.
>>61033989>>61034017>starts spamming fake and gay indiceslmao
>>61034032Yeah bro we can just trust corporations to give us safe food, properly dispose of toxic waste, and banks to safely guard our money! They wouldn't put profits above doing the right thing let's just trust them bro. t. Boot licking retard that will die a horrific death from lead poisoning.
>>61034032most of the public military sector jobs are make work welfare jobs, same as other government jobs. actual hardware and boots on the ground are a tiny fraction, the rest is welfare dressed up for the republican voters
>>61034057You sound extremely vaxxed. Maybe don't trust the government next time?p.s. Everything that was ever good was invented and incentivized by the private sector.
>>61034032And republicans get their information from twitter image macross. It isn’t any better.>>61034035>don’t show me statistics!So the sjws of 2012 really just became chuds, huh?
>>61034113>here I came up with my own proprietary index, it's called the "best countries index">mine is high and yours is lowDo you think I'm as retarded as you?
>>61034113>And republicans get their information from twitter image macross. It isn’t any better.Oh it's significantly better. Public town squares versus Obama's media company. Democrat voters are unable to debate due to low intellect and unrealistic ideas.
>>61034117>the statistics are fake!You can’t refute my point. The private american healthcare system is more inefficient than many public ones.
>>61034144My healthcare coverage is better than any coverage you receive. But if we’re doing averages, your system probably beats the American one.
>>61034136Twitter isn’t a public square, it’s a republican internet echochamber.
>>61034097Ah I see the confusion here. Government doesn't exist to make you Capeshit movies, video games, and Funko pops. They (theoretically) exist to make sure those people don't enslave or kill you for a couple extra dollars.Also Pfizer and more of your beloved private corporations invented the vax and then heavily lobbied for it's use. This is a specific case where good government could have protected the population from it. Anyways I'm done replying it's kinda sad so many people as retarded and easily manipulated as you exist in this world. Without the government corporations would have you pumped up on so much toxic shit right now the vax would be the least of your worries.
>>61034144Yes, that isn't a real metric, it's one invented by a journalist to push a narrative. Measuring "efficiency" is very hard. At the end of the day here in America, I can get whatever I want taken care of immediately, while most things require a wait list for you. It might be more expensive here but it is on demand.
>>61034144public healthcare only exists on paper. it's a money hole that is wasted on faggotry. money is taken from my wage by force for "healthcare" but if i actually need healthcare i have to fork up cash to a private clinic
>>61034159>most things require a wait list for youpublic "healthcare" advocates (retards) will never admit this
>>61034155False. All social media, like Reddit, instantly ban conservative talk.Twitter doesn't. Liberals are not banned. Yet you are still unable to debate. >>61034158What you are saying is objectively false. Just go back 20, 30, 40 years. Corporations had incentives to serve the public and stay in business. Now they are all bailed out by the government. All your examples, banks, Pfizer, etc -- all bailed out by the government. And here you are advocating for more government.Also feel free to reflect on the previous 4 years of mishandling by the Biden admin -- East Palestine toxic spill, Maui fires, California fires, etc.
>>61032250Why do we pay them back pay for when they sat on ass during the shutdown every time it happens? Hopefully Trump won't do that this time.>>61033478This is correct. If GDP falls during a government shutdown then we know its a fake metric as the government produces nothing.
>>61034155Typical progressive mindset. Can’t tolerate opposing beliefs, can’t argue against them, so they go back to whatever echo chamber that bans them. You people are weak in mind and spirit.
>>61033487It should be self-sufficient and be able to maintain operations with no outside contracting. No larger, no smaller.There should be no civilian workforce in the military save the SecDef and his staff.
>>61032250I think you need to do a little research into what essential means. This is usually related to safety and absolute necessity for bare governmental function. Everything that makes the government broadly functional gets shut down.Sure those parts could be privatized for profit, but that's another discussion.>>61033464You're speaking in half truths. Democrats are the capitalist faction that aims for system stability though welfare, knowing that if they do not then they risk the working class revolting. Republicans are the capitalist faction that aims for superprofits through austerity and by privatizing the public functions of the state, though at the same time causing a deterioration of the conditions of the working class and risking a revolt. Over the past century or so these two factions have balanced each other out, but as economic stagnation creeps in the democrat's strategy stops working since there just isn't enough money supply to fund welfare. Thus, the republican strategy takes over, and ends up addressing the revolt problem through, well, firm applications of authority.The problem is that authority does not address the fundamental economic issues of a restriction of money supply. The authority solution will end up enforcing that authority through an ever-shrinking pool of capital, and will eventually lose its ability to enforce authority. When that happens, the guy with the toothbrush mustache puts a walther PPK in his mouth, at least if the modern version of this guy hasn't vaporized the world in holy nuclear fire.You're playing a dangerous game if you support either team red (violence) or team blue (inefficacy).
>>61034178Its just a concoluted means of price control and has the same downstream effect; shortage of goods and services.
>>61034152>better than any coverage you receiveWe have a private sector too, so i seriously doubt it unless you are actually very rich (only a small amount of republicans are)>>61034159You won’t actually need most things you want, that’s the actual reason why the american system is do inefficient. People are able to overmedicalize themself with money, doctors fool them out of their money with examinations they don’t actually need, and discover and treat something that doesn’t actually need treatment. Meanwhile the streets are filled with homeless who get no treatment at all.>>61034178Wow americans really are fucking simple these days. I’m out of here, this is third world tier intelligence. Society isn’t a zero sum game. When people benefit from healthcare more as a whole, it makes the whole society better in the whole run. You will also receive the fruits of that, increasing your living quality despite having to wait a little bit for your backpain.
>>61034285I'd be down with public healthcare if you had to be below 22% body fat to access it. I'm not going to pay for the outcomes of people leading a shitty life
protip, both US parties only exist /remain in power due to debt spending. Without it the GOP would have to implement actual austerity on their old/fat/rural poor electorate and the Dems would have to tax their middle class libs magnitudes more to pay for ethnic welfare
>>61034285>implying I’m a Republican>implying I don’t have good health insurance from my white collar role>implying implicationsGo back to whatever dump you came from. You people don’t understand nuance in any capacity.
>>61034338You know we could simply go back to charity coming from individuals vs. through government taxation.Goota get rid of the charity tax deduction as well.
>>61033487I want an effective military. China has a big one and it's useless.
>>61034330There are a million factors that contribute to a person living unhealthy, just saying that it’s an equal choice for everyone is simplifying it too much. Besides, no matter the reason, providing the unhealthy with preventive measures trough public healthcare works better than shutting them out.>>61034341I’ve been here since 2008. I remember when chuds didn’t almost exist on 4chan. How do i lack nuance? I’m trying to explain to clearly very little educated people here why public sector isn’t always bad.>>61034196And the private sector never makes mistakes? Lmao not every company gets bailed out by government. But i agree that some of those bailouts shouldn’t have happened.
>>61033571actually the air traffic controllers are run by the government
>>61034244Your paragraph has half truths. Economic policy is irrelevant if you disregard social policy. Likely 1/4 or more of the people in America are not citizens. We have foreigners in this country profiting heavily by brainwashing kids into being violent socialists.That already sounds pretty dangerous. If you don't do anything, you lose.
>>61034409I genuinely cannot take you seriously with your usage of the word “chud”. It makes me cringe. I like my healthcare coverage. I do my best to be healthy. I do not want to pay for pic related. I do not want to wait eighteen months to see a specialist like they do in Canada.I worked on Capitol Hill. The best thing the “public sector” can do is stay out of our lives. And if they do intrude, try their best to simply not fuck things up.
>>61034032>What else backs our dollar?your military does not back the dollarmost of the dollar debt is owed to American institutionsare you going to use the army on yourself?
>>61034463You post cringe /pol/ images like that but then find the word chud too cringy? Lol>me me meAs i said, enjoy your empire falling.
>>61032250Youre right, and we should
>>61033464>how are republicans easily fooled by it?>they’re overpaid by a lot>gs pay scaleYou could have just said you are poor and retarded and have been fooled by whoever told you thisMore than 50% of federal workers are in GS10 or below, and the GS10 salary is AT MOST $75,000 USD.There is another signifigant group at GS11-13, which is on average $90,000 and up to $110,000 at the most senior levels with decades of experience. Only a handful of people at the most senior levels af various departments get here. The vast majority of government wagies earn peanuts, and if these numbers sound high to you its because youre indian.
>>61034577I mean, tell me what’s inaccurate about it. And chud is just lame. Come up with something better.>As i said, enjoy your empire falling.Not only do I expect it, but I’m hedged to the tits.
>>61034601Do you even know any federal workers? My buddy is getting paid $80k annually for a comfy role and he’s not even working right now.
>>61033911You are absolutely wrong. American healthcare is more efficient by an order of magnitude, but its pay to play.
>>61034646where do you get that from?
>>61033404>it's welfare. most of the army is also welfare. it needs to exist, but dressing it up as bullshit jobs makes people feel better about themselvesCorrect. and Democrat voters are easily fooled by it. Essentially we pay for a few million Democrats / DNC voters.>>61033487Everybody wants smaller military. We need to cut $2 trillion out of US gov budget.
>>61034094>most of the public military sector jobs are make work welfare jobs>, same as other government jobs. >actual hardware and boots on the ground are a tiny fraction, the rest is welfare dressed up for the Democrat /DNC votersConveniently, most gov workers vote for DNC / Democrats. Every single military or fed votes for democrats too.
>>61034708yesand they want immigrants so someone does the work to pay their pensionsits all a giant socialist circlejerk
>>61032250What about essential employees though? I'm an air traffic controller now working for free at a level 12 en route facility. I don't really give a fuck because I don't live paycheck to paycheck and I'll get backpay, but eventually you'll see sickouts if it goes on long enough. Only takes a few to causr significant travel delays.
>>61034244Dude, this is the first time I see this kind of analysis and is really deep for a north american, most of you seen to be brain dead in regard to critical thinking. I agree with you. What is your academic background? I also feel those two factions rises from different context, one comes from commodities like oil, farms etc. The other from technology, trading etc.Please go on, what more do you see in the USA. Will you guys fall into civil war with the escalating tension of democrats and republicans? How do you see the near and far future of your country?
>>61034244what delusional commie horseshitif you abolish the state everyone will automatically get richer since there is more money that is available to invest and spendthe state is nothing but a giant parasiteyou have brainworms
>>61034623I thought chud was lame at first too but it’s a good term for /pol/-types. > I mean, tell me what’s inaccurate about itHealthcare does so much more than just offer diabetes medication.
>>61032250if it's so "non essential" then why do recucklicans want to privatize it? businesses would lose money doing these services that are not needed.
>>61033487Didn't Saddam Hussein have one of the biggest militaries? Like Top 10 in terms of soldiers and equipment. Might have been #7
>>61034231>It should be self-sufficient>wanting a self-sufficient military This sounds like a bad idea scoobs...
still cant get over that there are actual commies on bizlolwhat do they invest in?Venezuelan bonds?kek
>>61034244Anybody just quick ignore posts that start bringing up Democrat/Republcan party lines like any of those exist these days or ever did? I just know I don't want to read the post anymore once I catch a whiff of that.
>>61034231>There should be no civilian workforce in the military save the SecDef and his staff.But anon, you agree that the government is inefficient, and the private sector is superior. Why handicap yourself when it comes to national security? The contracting is a feedback loopyou contract out->firm uses government funds to expand production->can offer tech and supplies to private sector->provides job to the private sector->Government can tax firm and workers more->more money for government, more money for contracts->you contract out->
>>61035234Yeah, all that's keeping you and everyone you know from being a fucking billionaire is the local library workers existing. You, personally, pay for it all with your minimum wage Amazon warehouse stub, which would immediately shoot to $200/hr with foot massage benefits if government offices weren't around. This is why you're poor and unmassaged, not any other reason.>>61035857>just ignore any post that focuses on economics on the economic board and doesn't pretend the puppet show is real to keep the idea goingActual bot.
I was a GS 12 for ten years, I took the doge buyout because I wasn't going back to the wage cage. Basically all high paid white collar gov jobs are worthless, at my bureau we'd hassle small businesses to fill out a shitty survey to get some rough statistics for wagies like me to look at. Then the data is "published" a year and a half later and nobody ever downloads or views it. Basically our only interaction with the American people was hassling small businesses owners under the threat of fines, the product we created wasn't worth it for anyone nor did anybody ever use it. And for every "analyst" role at a agency there's like 3 HR roles, 2 managers. Its largely an adult day care system that only benefits people living in Maryland and Virginia.
>>61036282100%There’s a great book called “Bullshit Jobs”, you phrased it perfectly calling it adult daycare.Most people don’t do much.
>>61033911lol, you're a faggot
