frogshit here.it's impossible to make it in this shit hole. It's so depressing. Anytime you make money you get raped between 32% and 60% of it.this country just ruins and destroy any ambition you might have in life. it will turn you into a bitch of the state, because to be comfy you need to use the socialist system to your advantage but it comes with many obligations, you basically make yourself dependant of the state.i am going to give several examples, not necessarily the best ones or relevant at all to myself but so you can understand:>want to start a business and make money while creating useful activity? great, as soon as you will be above 30k, income tax only will be 30% + all the other taxes you will have to pay so already almost 50%. above 70K, you will be slaughtered like a pig, and start being taxed overall around 60% all taxes included.>want to finance your own pension? great, but first you are legally obligated to participate in the state ponzi to fund extra large boomers pensions>want to make money on the stock market? great, you'll be taxed 33% on profits, but if the gov think you look like a trader with too many txs, it will be a whooping 50%. of course, if you lose money, you get 0.
>>61043794>want to shoot that intruder that is raping your wife? wow wow wow shill dude. that's not going to happen unless you want to spend 10 years in jail. Especially if you're white and right wing, might be 15. rapist will walk free however.>wanna be a pro poker player? your "income" will be taxed around 50% + only state allowed places can run legal tournaments and they have rather high rakes. So technically, the state made this activity impossible.>want to build a house? ho that will be 30k state tax effective immediately for that 500k house, + yearly tax + if it gets squatted then you will have to pay for the wellbeing of squatters and not be allowed to expel them ever if they are smart enough to game the systemLeaving is the safe choice i think but i have familly here
>>61043794Shut up and get back to me when you're working McDonald's to try to pay for one studio apartment
>>61043794Courage, dear compatriot, our state is a disaster. I'm thinking about an online business that I could do from abroad. France is communist, and everything is becoming catastrophic, and it's going to get worse far beyond what most people can anticipate.
>>61043794Try a third world, lol. You timmies have it good, you just don’t realize it.
It's the general pessimism that gets to me here.The fact that nearly no one invests in the stock market, there's an anti capitalist sentiment.Most people that have a bit of money here made it due to real estate.USA is trying to get to Mars with Elon, France is making expensive handbags for women (LVMH).Who would dream about making handbags over colonizing the universe?
>>61043809yes i feel like living. I am counting my options and ironically the best pick would be for me to use the system to the max. Not going to tell too much here but basically use all the loophole, optimization, and state funding you can get. I'm even thinking of starting an agricultural business because the gibs are just crazy
>>61043812>try being a loser kek, soft retard
>>61043813this country is irremediably damaged by leftism. Also here it's very hard to live a life out of the mold. Even being independant worker is a headache.What i realized, is above all the high taxations, rules, etc ultimately the result is that you lose your ambitions, you conform to what the state wants you to become, and you enter logics where you plan to rely on the state more and more.>The fact that nearly no one invests in the stock market, there's an anti capitalist sentiment.it's very strange. even centrists or right wing boomers are completely clueless about investments in general>>61043812have you tried not being brown sir?
>>61043794Biggest problem with France, imo, is that paternity tests are illegal. This is state mandated cuckoldry.
>>61043817In fact you can never pay taxes but you have to be: 1) poor 2) with an accountant + a lawyer + a tax specialist + a legal expert... 3) be very good friends with one of our corrupt politicians. And even if you don't pay taxes you will have to suffer immigration, insecurity and the destruction of public services. I think that leaving is the best solution like many French people, it is not cowardly since we are beaten up if we try to protest against the communist state.
>>61043831this isn't really true. The actual reality is that if you are living with a woman and children for many years then the judge might not agree to it because the child still see you as the father.but yeah still cucked however it's not like any roastie can just claim you're the father of the baby and ask for gibs without proofs
>>61043831They're illegal to do by yourself, but you can go to court and the judge will issue a paternity test to force the man to recognize the child if it is his. >>61043829Indeed, this is socialism, lifting the poor up and dragging the successful down. If you can make a business here that makes you money, you can make it anywhere. Legendary difficulty level for businesses here.
>>61043794>looked up tax rates for france>you start getting the fat 30% tax at just 30k incomewtf??
>>61043858what is even crazier is that they are still thinking of way to increase the taxes. They don't realize the mass exodus of productive people has already started and the one who still remains will gtfo
>>61043864that's just the income tax dude. If you are an independant worker, you have to pay 24% for example as a programmer on your business income to social security. Then the remaining money is taxed 30% above 30k, 20% or so under it .So as soon as you escape poverty it's like a hand catch you and "wait a minute". People think money is bad here.
>>61043867yeah, they refuse to address the two huge burdens: pensions + social securitymost of the money goes there, you need to cut expenses not tax more and moreWe might be on the right of the optimum of laffer's curve already, the more they tax the less they'll get. I hope that we are.
>>61043864then you buy a house, you get raped with a tax just for buying. so let's say you buy a modest 400k house in a city, that's like 30k tax, so to make 30k you need to work like a year and make 50k, but of course you have to pay for living, so that's like 4 years of saving..... just to pay the tax on the house lmao
>>61043872>We might be on the right of the optimum of laffer's curve already, the more they tax the less they'll get. I hope that we are.i'm not sure if i understand what you mean exactly but i'm pretty certain the high taxation right now is already having diminishing returns. it's too complicated to explain but it drains the economy, makes people run away, discourage people, etc etc etc.So increasing taxes will not only not work, it will reduce state earnings
>>61043794>be on welfare>don't declare your income>buy a smartphone with cash(while you still can) a google pixel ironically enough seems like the most privacy phone out there with a different distro, go figure>keep it in a faraday bag and turned off when not in use>become a criminal>receive your UBI with the digital euro through your EUDI walletUnless they like make tax collection automatic like in Bulgaria, and you can let the digital services handle all the paperwork with minimal input from you. Remember if your money is taxed you can openly use it to purchase shit. That's how they got Capone.
>>61043883https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve>i'm not sure if i understand what you mean exactly but i'm pretty certain the high taxation right now is already having diminishing returns.Yeah that's basically the idea behind Laffer's curve. At some point people realise it's either not worth working more due to the high taxation, or they tax fraud. The only problem is that it depends on if you can tax fraud and in many jobs you can't.
>>61043794>>61043796This Is Italy.Excerpt capidal gain tax @ 26%.But crypto 43%
>>61043794Just cry me a riveur, fagguette.
>>61043829>have you tried not being brown sir?What’s been happening to your timmy of a country again?
>>61043794>>want to make money on the stock market? great, you'll be taxed 33% on profits, but if the gov think you look like a trader with too many txs, it will be a whooping 50%. of course, if you lose money, you get 0.I have several french companies in my portfolio doing pretty well for several years now... and I can balance stock sold at a loss with earnings... are you telling me I have better conditions than french nationals to invest in your companies?Jesus
>>61043910>But crypto 43%Move to Bulgaria, it's 15%. You have to check with the banks however, because the bank itself may ban anything to do with crypto. DSK Bank bans it outright. I also don't know how trustworthy Revolut is.
>>61043794France is probs the worst in Europe, even as a bon,g I have sympathy for you.
Don't all french natives come from old money? I heard all frogs own their own places and they always inherit a shitton of money. Like their real state is very expensive from all the tourism and Arab money
>>61044238not true at all
>>61043794Time for another revolution!
>>61043794If youre white move to America. Leftism has destroyed Europe, we are going through a big time revival. Free white people of good moral character are welcome
>>61043794>Anytime you make money you get raped between 32% and 60% of it.Umm... sweetie... don't you know we need that money to pay for all those hardworking migrants?
>>61043794yeah you guys are objectively really gay and it sucks. if you're white and not a redditor then come to the US. otherwise stay out we're full.
>>61044046ITS SO FUCKING FUNNY YOUR SKIN IS THE SAME COLOR AS SHITYOU CANT WASH IT OFF HAHAHAHAHA
>>61044238Inheritance is a pernicious part of our system.2k / 3k euros for the fortunate souls who have a stable job. Which is enough to rent and live decently, but not to buy. So everyone is more or less openly waiting for family money (aka grandma dying) to buy their first overpriced 35m2 appartment.Those living on welfare and maxing it (drug money, working in construction undeclared, state housing) are often more well off than the rest of the population. The path you chose doesn't matter in the end since you will inevitably need family money to do anything.
>>61043910>But crypto 43%what, it's not 33%?
>>61043858>lifting the poor up
>>61043794yeah one of core eu values is that the goy has to stay poor and miserable
>>61043809its incredible that despite the astronomical taxes the economy is so fucked. perhaps bleeding all the productive people dry isn't such a great idea after all...
>>61043851>sorry bro, to protect her- i mean, the child's mental health, you have to keep paying for her bastard child.cuck apologist
>>61043794retarde child living in a bubble. that's just like it's everywere in the west.
>>61044324some eu countries even tax inheritance and you have to pay before you have received anything to pay it with
>>61043870you just started your fhirst job? :D omg you act like you just found out about taxes and no one else knows about them.
>>61044479>>61044451hey retard socialist, how much taxes did you pay this year? just for the laugh. No one who actually pay taxes in this country doesn't complain about it. you're completely clueless.or maybe just a net beneficiary so you profit from this shit
>>6104421510% in Bulgaria
What are French women like, bros? I've always dreamed of having a French gf
>>61043794wheneverI start to think it's bad here I see posts like threads like this and immediately feel better. Most of western europe is behind the point of no return, the brown invaders will simply outvote you and keep taking your stuff and your freedom piece by piece
>>61044555masculine and smelly + leftistt. french
>>61043794French here, I left that shithole almost a decade ago, as a French if you're ambitious you HAVE to leave, seriously, there are TONS of opportunity elsewhere, cultures where hard work is actually valued and rewarded.There are also many ways to organize your business if you want to make your own company, try to join groups of entrepreneurs and they'll teach you everything you need to know in no time.
Move?
>>61043794>>61043796Frog as well here,Check the CAC40, we haven't had any growth in 20 months, last ATH is march 2024. I would say 6-12 months of this and the country is defaulting in the shitter. >Grab everything you can from banks>Wait until french companies declares negative benefits in december 2025>watch as we enter France's biggest crisis since 2008>We going to sink, and bank, companies, restaurants, supermarkets, everything is going down the drainerBy that time, have everything in crypto or gold in foreign banks, and laugh as taxes comes to ask you from money and you give them nothing
>>61044650bro, i am actually really scared about that because right now i have a lot in the bank. I started visiting houses solely for the purpose of investing this. but i'm actually wondering if i just shouldn't move elsewhere. Seems to me we have at least a few years before the collapse because the actual numbers :debt payment is currently 10% of the state budgerinterest rates on long term bonds are still below 4%so there is still room before the absolute collapse but you're 100% right i can see it coming. going to open a bank account in another country in another currency, maybe switzerland, in a bank with 0 exposure to french and other euro state bonds
>>61043872I can confirm, since 2023 the fiscal plate is steadily decreasing, we just have a communist government who want to run the populace to the ground and beyond
>>61044667Debt payment is 10% of the state budget BUT our debt is already covering our state budget. If you have to invest in a house, search for countryside farms in bretagne or very far away from cities and start investing in producing/storing your own water/electricity/foodYou can buy a lot of things for less than 100k euros that you can directly live inIf you need to store money in banks, don't go for Switzerland, they are known to be secure, but they tend to give in europes' injunctions for smaller accounts. And to what I understand, you don't have millions to store. Go for singapore banks or HSBC, asian countries don't give a fuck about europe and will be more than happy to give them nothing and keep your money safe for years. Binance is still considered in singapore/china for a lot of things and will never bend to europe to give away your cryptos. This year I had a tax inspection about digital assets, they asked me if I had anything (I have about 10k in there), told them no, asked me if I sold any digital asset this year, told them no. Asked me which platform they could ask for these information, told them to manage it themselves, but if I had anything in crypto, it would be on Binance. They closed my case after hearing this information. Still asked me to pay 700 euros in taxes and impots, but I'm on chomage, so it's basically giving them back money they give me for free.
>>61044667Dude, I'm french and I pass my whole day watching everything related to the economy and finance because I make money investing. For the love of god, leave 2026 will be hell there's a ton of laws coming from the EU who will fuck people, the lowering of France's grade will be in full effect and the government won't let you do what you want anymore, I did all I could to put all my wealth out of the government's reach and any sane person should do the same.I truly believe the EU and France in particular is heading for an economic collapse, then a civil war and I don't want to be there when this will happen my life has been shit enough because of all the dumbasses living in this country.
>>61044732Agreed, but civil war will be fun. I'm a fucked up case, and I believe life is a big show. I'm here to have fun and you know, if I live, good; if I die, life's problems is not my problems anymore. Best we can do is take what we can, give nothing back, and enjoy the ride
>>61044732I am surprised that there’s not a massive parralel/grey market in Europe using forms of money that never hit the bank/leave a paper trail. The infrastructure digitally and physically is already available. The tax cattle seem to be absolute cucks putting up with this theft
>>61044650>watch as we enter France's biggest crisis since 2008that's when micron sends you to the ukraine, you know
>>61044650thats actually a bit worrying for the whole eurozone. if you guys are fucked everyone else in this scam will be fucked as well
>>61044756If you're not french, you can't begin to understand how bad financial knowledge are here, the left and more precisely the communist had a devasting effect on people since they got a hold of the education minister since the end of ww2 I can only let you imagine the devastion it caused, we have some of the most brilliant ingineer though but they are shit at transforming their knowledge into a business or making money thanks to it when they're not brainwashed by the communist ideology that says "money bad" the few exceptions who are beyond that leave because if you dare to make money then the government will tax rape you to death.
>>61044793Even Germany is not doing that good thx to the US destroying the pipeline with Russia and more globally the ukrainian war touching their interests deeply, the whole EU is fucked (+ the UK), I'm sure the deepstate knows it and that's why they want a digital ID asap to stop people from revolting when shit will hit the fan, if they can't they'll try to create a fake wa to divert attention once again and have people kill each other instead of going for them
>>61044756yeah its impressive how well people have been brainwashed to government loyalty. the libs in particular hate things like cash and love high taxes and the gorillion bureaucrats trying to regulate every aspect of life
>>61044808yep, now imagine being one of the tiny euro countries. many of them made their economy fully dependent on a foreign currency they have zero control over
>>61044732>>61044742>>61044704I enjoy the advices. It's cool to see some french dudes with a mindset close to mine. I'm also thinking of separating as much possible my assets from france in the near future, but i'm currently thinking of buying a house (a cheap one without credit). I am at a crossroad, have a few options before me. I don't really feel like leaving for several reasons, notably aging parents who need help. I do enjoy the country side, i am from the south and i feel at home in the most isolated and remote part of the country.Might be cool to connect over tg or discord maybe?>>61044796yes absolutely. even rich people are clueless(like moderately rich boomers). But this leaves the room open for people like us who are willing to learn and invest and take advantage of opportunities.I think this is on purpose, governments don't want financially independant people, they want cattle they can exploit and lead indefinitively
>>6104455110% is capital gains taxcrypto gains are taxed at 15%
>>61045227From aix en provence here, same case. 30 yo, aging parents, nice house at their name, good land, but most likely will not inherit anything looking at how things are doing. I know i;m going to need to get back there soon, or buy a house in bretagne asap and make them move there. And sell what's left in the south. none the less it's the family house.
>>61045229yes and bitcoin is capital gainshut the fuck up i'm french i live in bulgaria and i already cashed out enough to buy an apartment in the center of Sofia
by the way, if you are more than 26-27 and still living in France you are a fucking loser and you will NEVER make itif you can stand living in France surrounded by all these brown people with a super powerful nanny state and these ugly as fuck racemixing women then you are a cuck, it's in your genes and you will die like a cuck in the land of the cucks: France
>>61045335i am 36. I lived abroad 1 year. I had health issue so i was never able to completely cut the ombilical cord with familly and country and always came back where i startedI am a fucking loser Anyway if anyone wants to join a discord to shitpost and share economic analysis / trading ideas i am creating this discord
>>61045353if you have health issues you are not part of my vision of the loserthe moment i get sick badly i won't be wandering around bulgarian hospitals, it's france that is going to take care of me
>>61045317The crypto gains tax is 15%. If you didn't pay that it means you misreported. Bulgarian IRS will ignore this till it decides not to ignore it. You have been warned.
>>61045360>it's france that is going to take care of mei think you haven't been in a french hospital in a long time fren
>>61045373actually i haven't reported anything since the top of 2021 bullruni'm now off the grid and i don't send any usdc / eur to my bank accounts anymore NAP is a circus compared to french taxes services, you have no idea and yes i paid 10% on it, like any normal person because bitcoin is capital gains>>61045378i will paint a black face and start doing this "tchiiiiip" noise so the nurses come to clean my ass
>>61045335You see that's the funny part, whereas most countries have fucking problems with immigration. We don't. We are so adapted to having a mix of saxons, latins, blacks, whites, italians, japanese, greeks, chinese... We don;t give a fuck anymore.Of course there are some monkeys in the lot, don't get me wrong. But we have no problem smashing their head in. And we all know (French people) the second the economy crashes and there's no more support, that these guys will run back to their rat hole. The ones staying better behave, because we're french, and we won't have any problem killing them with anyone responsible for civil unrest. And don't worry, we have guns, knives, sticks, bats, swords and axes, fists and knuckles. We know how to fight, and we know how to fuck anyone deserving it.We're maybe losers, but who isn't today? >>61045360Top kek.
>>61045335still me, I lived in the US, UK, Ireland, China, Japan, Canada. No country better than France, no country I hate more than my own. You're just a coward
>>61045396>>61045414>the second they misbehave we will kill themyeah yeah frenchcuck meanwhile they are raping your sisters and stealing your bike right now and you won't do shit with your 22LR that you got from your grandfatherfrench are cucks, i say this as a french, i just think i'm too courageous to accept seeing a country flooded with brown people and just convince myself that it's okay
>>61045435The only arabic guy who tried to bother my sister got a bottle of beer smashed on top of his head. Everyone approved. The only time someone tried to steal from me, me and my friends beat his ass down and left him in the streets. Don't think because you don't see shit, that nothing happens. Maybe so such a cuck in your daily life you started generalizing your situation.
>>61045454my father works for nintendo
>>61045435>>61045454i think the self defeating need to stop. The moment shit hit the fan they will all come back home. Anyway, they can't win. If france become too brown / islamic it will inevitably result in total ruin / war / economic disaster.the real problem is leftists, hipsters, "bobo" fags and socialists scumbags.Anyway, i was in the ariege department recently, i don't think being non white there is a good idea. all i could hear was the noise of chainsaws in the forest and hunters kek. The rural part of france are still safu, out of reach of globohomo, and to be fair the only part still worth living in. People are great there if you are not a complete dick
>>61043794britbong here, we have a common cause. its the exact same here.
>>61045502fake news, it's one level worse actually.At least france can never become a 1984 dystopia, people are too lazy, state workers are inefficient and snitching is not something to take pride of
>>61045488?>>61045500Yes. 100%
>>61045392>NAP is a circus compared to french taxes servicesYou see the french tax service as a monster because it is always working and always fining people. But NAP is not an ambush predator, it is a stalker. It knows what you did, where and when. It's largely how everything works in Bulgaria. Everything is fine till the moment it isn't. There's a reason we don't have bankruptcy laws. Screwing the system over is engrained in every bulgarian from the moment they first draw breath and our laws and regulations are made with that in mind.The moment you have a big enough stack is when they send GDBOP to bag your because those fuckers kept track of everything you did.
>>61043794Same as this shithole
>>61045711i will just bribe them, the bulgarian waybalkan public workers don't give a single fuck about their administration or their durzhava anymore when the money comes in cash
Kek it’s funny how incel men can’t understand the functions of socialisn. It’s always just me me me, never ”what if someone has it worse than me?” A certaib kind of short-sightedness.
>>61045767>what if someone has it worse than me?Good
>>61045767>what if 10 millions of niggers arrive in my country and i have to feed themthat's true, i never thought about this until these niggers arrived and i just refused to pay the bill
>>61045773Yeah exactly, nobody wants to live in a countrt of assholes that just want to be better than people around them. That’s why right-wingers will never win. Nobody else cares that you want to be at the top so you get the best pussy.
>>61045781Okay i agree that non-white immigrants (except asians) are a problem, the people don’t benefit from them. But otherwise ny point stands. You people can’t think about people other thsn yourself.
>>61045757Unless someone wants a promotion or you're ripe enough to harvest. Then things happen real quick. Bribes are like a subscription service, except you can't cancel this one. Either way I did my part to help you defraud the government by warning you. Hopefully you stay under the radar.
>>61045793i will just move to Romania or Greece then, i don't have a bulgarian passport
>>61045793the funny thing is that NAP has nothing against me, yet as a jealous balkaner you try to demoralize me and make me scared of something that will never happeni'm not talking about your 10K cash out here, i'm talking about a cashout made with the help of a lawyer, an accountant and with direct cooperation with NAP themselvesanyway, have fun next week-end drifting your 2003 bmw in Buhovo, selyanin
>>61045814>the funny thing is that NAP has nothing against meYou're not listening to what I'm telling you. The only way the government leaves you alone is if you have leverage over the government. You're not a mafia boss so you don't have that.>i'm talking about a cashout made with the help of a lawyer, an accountant and with direct cooperation with NAP themselvesYou need to cover your ass or they'll rake it. If they aren't your blood or childhood friends, you can't trust them. I'm not even gonna ask, I'm just gonna assume they're getting something out of it.
>>61045373And a one way flydubai ticket is 800 BGN, comes with the benefit of not being threatened by mafia people close to the IRS like I was
>>61045786Memes aside, huge taxes in western european countries don't rally go to benefit the poor, they are used to pay for the interest on the insane public debts, which are made much worse by low growth.
>>61045880not for francein france they pay the gigantic boomer pensions (25% of france's budget) and their health system (Pierre and Sylvie going to the doc everytime they see a little spot on their skin)
>>61045871this kind of stuff would worry me. I wouldn't relax in an eastern country if i had to cash out large crypto gains
>>61045872then you didn't piss off the mafia people enough. They used to blow people up with bazookas at one point.
>>61045814>the funny thing is that NAP has nothing against mePretty sure cex-es will start sharing data EOY.And IDK if NAP follow the wallets you withdrew to, but Alexei Petrov's former gang does.I think you dun goofed by ever declaring anything, but Bulgaria does not have an exit tax so if you don't sell until you move you can give them the finger LEGALLY (obviously this applies to crypto-to-crypto, too, but I literally just had 50000 AVAX from the ICO and fucked off to Dubai lmao).
>>61045893>then you didn't piss off the mafia people enoughPiss them off how, they just tried their luck on a few dozen people, stole from 3-4, killed on or two.It's an economy of scale for them, I'm not individually special or interesting.
50% of france's budget is allocated to boomer's comfortpensionners in france earn, on average, more than the active populationpensionners in france are the social class saving the most every monthpensionners in france own 80% of the real estate park while being 30% of the populationif you pay taxes in france, you make boomers rich and french boomers are the ones who imported the millions of africans making your life a fucking nightmare
>>61045895better hide in stara planina than going to dubaikys if you really live there
>>61045895good that this guy is dead, not my problem anymore
so in bulgaria if you declare crypto gain the mafia actually come to get you?Kek i kinda imagined that but i didn't know if this would happen. So much for my slovenian cash out plan
>>61045906nobulgarian mafia only attack bulgariansthey will never target a foreignerthey just know bulgarian police is not going to help a fellow bulgariansame for businessesbut yes it's true, in eastern europe if you bEcome too rich some people come to you and ask for a rent to stay alive
>>61045903> better hide in stara planinalel, you're underestimating them.Not to mention, I enjoyed paying 0 legally, meaning I might return one day. Stara planina doesn't have free zones and shit.But on topic for OP - Bulgaria is a shithole, but Monaco is next door, and not even a part of the EU. If you have any ambition whatsoever you should move there. Maybe use Andorra as a stepping stone until you build enough capital to sustain yourself in Monaco.
>>61043794At least your not speaking German
>>61045916why not a foreigner? who gives a fuck? mafia is really a cancer, state is a glorified mafia however
>>61045917>monaco>dubai>andorrai smell a bug herehttps://www.bulgarianproperties.com/Houses_in_Bulgaria/AD87651BG_House_for_sale_near_Elena.html
>>61045916>they will never target a foreignerYou know that's not true, right?
>>61045934they don't target foreigners, it's well knownthey target your kind because they own your police and your judicial systemthe second they want to set me up i go to the french embassy and they will follow the case with french counter-terrorism department
>>61045906Slovenia is first world af and none of this shit applies to them.Bulgaria was unironically alright 2004-2020, but was governed by a literal mobster for the last 12 years of that, people got pissed and decided to go for plan B, turns out the former mobster was actually keeping the mob at bay, in 2020 all hell broke loose.Google "aлтънбaшeв тopинoтo" to see one example of a cryptobro being abducted, murdered, his home searched by the perpetrators for his ledger. The abduction happened in front of a camera which literally caught the hoodlums pushing the guy into the trunk of the car, the police stated "they didn't have enough data to start an investigation", absolutely serious. Obviously then minister of internal affairs was a drunk named Boyko Rashkov, who was working for a mobster named Alexei Petrov who was behind all of this.The former mobster PM of Bulgaria actually ordered a hit on Alexei Petrov, which was successful, everyone knows the full story, even the former serbian military perpetrator (who was allowed to escape the country) so hopefully this is not an issue anymore, but yep, imagine the level of corruption you'd be exposing yourself to if you move there.>>61045916Almost true. Bulgarian mafia is scared of "strong" embassies. If you have a French/US/UK/Canadian passport you're good, but they've fucked up Greeks and even Russians before...
>>61045943greeks and russians are subhumans
>>61045943saddly, this happens in france too now. while it didn't get media attention, a few people with 6 figs were robbed / murdered. it wasn't the mafia, mostly shitskins and thugs but does it make a difference? and now you have all the rapts of the high profile individuals in crypto. It's scarry but so far it's only for high profile individuals, but who know what it will be tomorrow? anyone on the ledger leak might get a visitProbably sitll better than bulgaria i guess
>>61045899Yep, all true. The most devastating part about pensions is that the public mind is stuck in the 60s. Everyone think "reform pensions bad", especially the youth, which is hilarious, considering it's the main cause for our low salaries.The inevitable outcome is the brutal collapse of this generational ponzi. Everyone knows it and it's probably the most talked point in politic.The only question is when. But you can be sure boomers will tax the shit out of everything that moves before it happens.
>>61045963>whenkeep an eye on the long term bond rates.When the country won't be able to borrow money anymore because they can't pay back the debt that's when it will be left with no other option but to stop paying pensions and state workers salaries
P.S. Up until a few years ago you could have actually registerred a Cyprus company (or bought an old shelf one) and backdated documents, claiming that all the trading happening on your personal accounts was actually delegated from "the company".Then the company would pay you for "services" in small batches so you could keep your full power level hidden from NAP, I know plenty of people who did that (nobody would go threatening some dude who got a 20k bgn/month codemonkey deal with a cyprus offshore company). Bonus points, back then the tax was 7.5% (technically 10% but 25% of that was deducted assuming you have business expenses you didn't need to prove). But all of that is gone now...
>>61045976IF ITS ALL GONE NOW, OF WHAT GOOD IS IT POSTING YOU FAGGOT.
>>61045880One trip to USA will show you how much more homeless ect. they have. The policies do benefit the poor.
>>61045976too complicatedi will go back to NAP with my lawyer and pay 10%thank you for ovecomplicating everything Bai Ganio
>>61045960>it wasn't the mafia, mostly shitskins and thugsAt least I assume they don't have access to the IRS database.In our case the guy was MOSSAD's person in Bulgaria, he had access to Pegasus software that even the government didn't.But 6 figures is crazy small to be scared of this shit.Both Monaco and Andorra are crime-free, if I were you I'd go there (Dubai is not my thing but wcyd)...>>61045963Commie nations deserve their inevitable collapse, I'd personally move ASAP and even think of a second passport, because if one EU country is gonna tax their citizens globally I'd assume it would be France.
>>61045987cope redditor. No one is interested in paying taxes in frogland anymore. you're going to have to steal the money somewhere else and you won't be able to soon enough. that's when the music will stop and the natural order will be restored. Parasites will starve. idiots will die. And you will disappear with them
>>61045985Because this way of creative thinking might lead you to other was of achieving the same, nigger.If I was still in Bulgaria I probably would have found a newer way, I'm giving a direction for your thoughts. But I can't spoonfeed you even if I could because I'm not a tax resident anymore and idgaf.>>61045991Unironically 10 times easier than going back 10 years to calculate tax on your crypto-to-crypto.
i still have two flats to sell in Paris that i co-own with my leftist brothers and sisters who think "prices will go back up"i swear i will stop going to france for christmas if they dont let me liquidate this shit before shit hit the fan
>>61045939>they won't dare touch me>I'll just go to the french embassy>then the french lawyers will file a counter-terrorism suit against emKek. You'll be stabbed and thrown in a french dumpster by a gypsy pretending to be pakistani.You have no idea where you are or how things work here.You've probably never wondered why private business isn't bigger when the taxes are among the lowest in Europe, or why foreigners don't flock to set up shop here. It isn't because of the lev, the euro's gonna come in a few months and nothing will change. You see, when you reach a certain threshold of profitability and refuse to sell a portion of your business to the mafia, the government suddenly finds all the little laws and regulations you didn't follow, the same laws and regulations the government "somehow" missed all this time. Then you're hit with fine after fine after inspection after fine. It's been like this since the iron curtain fell.
>>61045999Kek i’m a doctor, literally top 2% of people. I learned the importance of socialism in my job. I would do fine without it, but just telling it how it is. Whatever, i have no interest to argue with retards who are too stupid to imagine anyone but themself.
>>61046002you obviously never cashed out crypto in bulgaria so just shut your stupid mouthyou go to NAP, tell them how much you made during the fiscal year and gave them a stupid copy of a wallet where the gains literally appear on it and that's it
>>61046009good that i don't have a business then
>>61046015it doesn't matter that you are a doctor. Educated midwits are the reason we are where we are now. also socialized healthcare isn't the issue
>>61043794Had to go to this shithole for a business trip.>I book train tickets online, expecting to get a seat since that's what mentioned in the checkout page>The train is full of niggers that clearly don't have a ticket. I have to stand the entire trip. No inspector ever enters the train to kick out the niggers (probably because they know they'll get stabbed)>Finally leave the train and head towards my hotel.>Streets are full of niggers and it feels more like walking in Kabul than being in a European city. Burqas everywhere you look...Needless to say, I'm never going back.
>>61046025educated midwits are the worst of the worst
>>61046034well, you got french'ed as we saybulgaria is nazi germany in comparison
>>61046034USA is still a lot browner. Even in Paris only like 1/4 of of people were brown.
>>61046049paris is 40% brown at this pointi was there last summer
>>61046017>you obviously never cashed out crypto in bulgariaOf course I haven't. I know what happens when you do.You're probably a newfag idk. The government decided that they're gonna tax crypto-to-crypto. They decided it after 2020 (I was already gone) and the decision was valid for 2009-onwards. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO CALCULATE THIS SHIT!? LIQUI and CRYPTSY and BTC-E haven't been online for a decade and you wan't me to get my transactions HWOHWOHWO HOW HOW?!??!?And whatever "error" you make is your fault once they decide to go after you. You're probably too poor for them to care. Try mid 7 figures and they'll remember you.Fuck this shit, there's only two ways out of this. One is wrapping all your tx history in a company and claiming the offshore company made all the trading (probably still works with Marshall Islands companies but don't quote me on that) or just move. Anything else is just asking for trouble.But you're French, so as long as you have an official statement by NAP that you've been in touch and they think you've paid the exact sum, you should be fine. Bulgarians don't have this luxury, there's no embassy to come save them.
>>61044796I’ve worked with one of those brilliant french engineers in the states. But his ideology was much more libertarian than what it sounds like the regular stock of french are. That’s probably a reason he left
>>61046023Well, it's evident you're not gonna listen to reason. Hopefully they just take your crypto without slitting your throat and cremating your ass.
>>61044311Well I'm greek
>>61043794>this country just ruins and destroy any ambition you might have in life. it will turn you into a bitch of the state, because to be comfy you need to use the socialist system to your advantage but it comes with many obligations, you basically make yourself dependant of the state.EXACTLY.The Elite stay on top forever!You can not join them, the laws are made to protect them, you quickly learn to serve them.You are a servant, you were born a servant, and you will die a servant.
>>61046089may be you were just a faggot basedfianin and they wanted to set you upi declared a good amount in 2021 and nothing happenedi have absolutely no interest to cash out anything until next run and it will be a big one and still nothing will happenwelcome to european union bai ganio
>>61046109>he thinks I want him to failRetard. I want you to succeed and screw the government out of as much money as possible. You live with a false sense of security and that will come back to bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
>>61046135he can just fuck off and never pay them. worst case scenario. Also if bulgarian mob came after me and i was loaded i would pay to get some of them killed and move to another continent
>>61046015>I learned the importance of socialism in my jobKek dumbass doctor faggot. You're probably the same one I was arguing with in the other threads. Anyway, the only state socialism that works is the one that gives jobs to its citizens instead of gibs, that is nationalsocialism.
>>61043812Third world is great most of those places don't bother taxing you for several years when you move there. Stuff is cheap so your money goes a long way
>be french>good paying 9 to 5 job>gross to net salary is already almost 50% off>come september receive a letter telling me they made a mistake while taking my taxes and will directly take 300€ from my account untill december as a correction>bought a house, have to pay 600€ for the loan every month>in october, get my annual tax of 1200€ for the appartment>also have to pay 500€ of "frais de copropriété " every three months>cost of life is fucking me in the ass>cannot withdraw my crypto or they'll take their share of my gainsHoly fuck from now untill january I know I will not be able to save a signle euro. This country has gone completely insane
>>61048701Sorry Michel. Muhammad of the rest his of family need monetary support after fleeing Palestine. Perhaps you can cut back your vacation from 6 weeks to just 3. Mercy bowlkoo!
>>61043812Europeans are above comparing themselves to the third world. They compare themselves to each other.
>>61048701>Forced to have diamond hands in FranceBased?
>>61043910>But crypto 43%33 from next year (still extremely shitty)
>>61045711my country doesn't have bankruptcies either but its the most tax and regulation loving shithole in the entire eu
>>61048869AFAIK in Italy selling your own artwork is subject to taxes, but reselling a painting you bought is tax free (laws work for the mafia, more news at 11).Does that work with NFTs?I know some people moved to Italy specifically to abuse this loophole but I'm not aware how the story ended...
>>61046060I was there too at the start of june, it was way more white still than USA. Not to mention in great condition overalm.
>>61043794Come to Brazil. You can sell up to 35k BRL (roughly 7k USD) per month, without having to pay any tax. And if you do sell above this limit, pay the taxes, and end up losing money in the next month, they give you a discount when you pay taxes again. And cost of living is low, compared to France.
>>61046307It’s funny how some people (like you) stay stupid even when they’re shown the truth and the facts. I guess you can’t save everyone.
>>61048701Have you even considered what a priviledge it is just to be able to work and generate money? There are a lot of people who are too sick or stupid to do that. It’s funny how even very priviledged people, like those able to work, start complaining and forget about everyone else but themself.
>>61043813Jews
>>61049154fake news, it's browning at the speed of light>>61049318do you even work? only a lazy retard would say something like that. also you don't understand what it means. someone has to work their whole life just to afford a fucking house because you're constantly taxed to death, dragged down. In fact in france inheritancy is the driving factor of wealth
>>61049227The issue isn't becoming a Brazil tax resident, it's becoming a non-tax-resident in France.Just moving might mean he gets to pay tax in both places (or pay in Brazil, and pay extra in France so it adds up to what he would have paid in France).
>>61049469Do a french citizen pay taxes if he is living overseas? That's brutal.
>>61049391Yes i do work. You are retarded for not acknowledging that some people have it even worse than you.
>>61044808Yes the Bon.g Card is deeply suspicious, and I hear the EU is looking at digital ID as well.
>>61046049>Even in Paris only like 1/4 of of people were brown.Bruh... It's at least 50%.
Froganons; Bong here. I come in peace. The problem Im seeing here is exactly the same we have: the answers you suggest "flee abroad" are the same answers we reach. They're closing the net by making everywhere the same. There'll be nowhere to run to. We have to stay and fight it. Revolutions need a vision though. We need to put forward a clear picture of what we will replace this global homo system with - i.e. End the welfare state so there is no need for tax. Restore liberties and end state overreach - retvrn immigrants + ethnic cleansing of the homeland and so on. Get a manifesto. Circulate it. Mobilise yourselefs. Formez vos battallions as you sing.
>>61049318>There are a lot of people who are too sick or stupid to do that.Not my problem faggot. Especially when these people are 80% foreigners.
>>61049472Most countries have a "cooldown timer" where you're still considered a tax resident for a certain period after you leave.
>>61049710>retvrn immigrants + ethnic cleansing of the homeland and so onNot gonna happen because: a) muh never again b) they have the magic bits of paper to say they're British / French, Euro c) people don't have the stomach for it.
If you are a eurofag move immediately, as an American I get double taxed if I want to live my Asian pussy paradise dream
I feel bad for Europeans. In the U.S., you can move from one city or state to another and it’s completely different. But where the fuck do you go in Europe? It’s all too expensive, high taxes, high cost of doing business, too many immigrants.
>>61050549russia, basically
>>61050562Which would also be hellish outside of Moscow or St. Petersburg.
>>61050602howso?
>>61050605Because most of Russia is economically depressed, poor weather, not a lot of goods and services, blatant corruption.
>>61050619but no browns, so an improvementhonestly, you should just try to survive at this point
>>61050549what a comical understanding of Europethere is nothing wrong with most of Europe
>>61050549God I wish I could move to america but you guys only accept indians.
>>61043864If you thought that's bad, check out German's 50%. Net tax burden is close to over 70% here. Plain out theft.
>>61050664what stupid made up balloney
>>61050649>what a comical understanding of Europethere is nothing wrong with most of Europe
>>61050649like 50% of america is fucked irredeemable rivers of shit peopleand you want to say with your countries doing even worse in household income there is nothing wrongI'm in a rural micropolitan area, my job is pretty lucrative 40k after taxes, but still the signs of cracks are starting to show with demographic change and located in liberal shithole Illinois, which rivals europe politicallyto say there is nothing wrong is false, there are many things that are wrong, you could only be insulated from these things in rural areas in the united states which are plentiful but you need dividend income to keep up with all of your expenses and come out positive if you're raising a familyit is far more fucked in europe
>>61050602>>61050619I bet you've never been to Russia.It's not nearly as bad as people say - in fact better than most of Western Europe nowadays.I have lived for a long time in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Japan.I'd never go back to Western Europe shitholes but would def live in Russia again. I also managed just fine even though I didn't speak the language in Russia. It might be diff for Western Europeans cuz you guys are autistic af but that's not my problem
>>61050693>and you want to say with your countries doing even worse in household income there is nothing wrongobviouisly our cost of living is far lower
>>61050696russia has 11% flat income tax rate as well
>>61050696I’ve never been, but we had a Russian anon on here a few days back ranting about just how shit it was, and other former Russians telling him how to get out. I have no doubt some parts are nice, but I’m not going to pretend it’s the savior of the west or some shit.
>>61050697source on that champ, I don't believe it for a secondthere's a little war in ukraine holding up much of the grain, and the nordstream pipelines getting blown up has fucked your electricity costsand illinois has some of the worst cost of living in the country, particularly 2.5% property tax
>>61050641I live in a siberian shit hole and its full of jeets
>>61050711>source on that champjust rent alone is outrageous in the US
>>61050692are you bragging about your AI bubble?>>61050587
>>61050726I don't know the rent situation there, other than in london it is absurd, I'm sure it's fine in eastern europebut I think most of eastern europe still has ties to russia so they can get resources cheaply stillthe only saving grace in europe is that small towns are mostly abandoned and you can get a cheap house in a rural area, based on what I've read, but then you have to have some form of income
>>61050549Yeah every EU states is taxed to the death. So your real choice is "where can I find employement so I can be taxed to the death and live a bit better than the welfare bros". Leaving mainly Germany, France (only Paris), maybe north Italy.And these kind of opportunity only comes if you are fortunate to have a job in demand AND speak local language, otherwise you are back in the welfare hole.
>>61050744lolthe absolute comical understand of Europeabsolutely funny
>>61050681Not really. Count in tax on food, gas, etc. and you'll have your 70%
>>61050751youre brown and retarded, arent you?
>>61050759Prove me.
>>61050741another thing is that healthcare is much cheaperand you dont need to buy a 1 million house to not live among niggers
>>61050769I can get 50 acres and a house in kentucky for 150ksounds like projection, your mind seems to be tainted by cityfagitisbecause the only place a house is 1 million is in the epicenter of niggitry which isn't even an option I would considerit's retarded
>>61050735I’m not bragging out anything, I’m trying to tell you it’s extremely difficult to innovate and start a business in Europe. Your biggest new company is Spotify.
>>61050769also if you actually need healthcare that's basically an admission of subhumanityI'm on like 7 different research chemicals because I'm my own doctor, gg
>>61045500Auvergnat from Livradois mountains hereWe're getting invaded fren.Clermont, Thiers and Le Puy have fallen, Issoire and Aurillac are next.Countryside isn't safu long term, they're sanding thousands of parisian browns to us.Also, France has a whole is hell. Not an ounce of joy, hope or unity in sightI'm enjoying chomage to travel then I'm off to argentina
>>61050789>Your biggest new company is Spotify.because somethinh like Novodorisk that developed Ozempic was founded in 1923youre using some arbritary metric
>>61050793>is on fucking self-medication because he cant afford his expensive healthcare
>>61050751If you work in the public sector (Beamte) you pay like 20%-25% tax and earn alot more than the average wageslave. I also drive to work by e-bike and give the fuel jew the middle finger. I charge at work and make the state pay my power. I save so much money while everone around me is getting poorer.
>>61050811>then I'm off to argentinaflying from shitholes to shitholes
>>61050817Arbitrary? I think it’s important to remember there needs to be new companies created over time. Also, is this the company you’re talking about? That came out with an innovative drug for weight loss and then got demolished by Eli Lilly?
>>61050857Eli Lily is even olderits totally irrelevant when a company was foundedeuropean car companies compete with Tesla as well, even though they werent founded in the last 20 years
>>61050830Idec ATPGet me away from sandniggers, economy is secondary.They're shooting themselves in broad daylight for drug and sex traffic in my small countryside hometown, the police is protecting them, and workers are taxed to death to finance their RSA and allocs.
>>61049751>a) muh never again b) they have the magic bits of paper to say they're British / French, Euro c) people don't have the stomach for it.None of this matters thoughbeit: (a) fuck jews, (b) they're still brown, (c) only need 10% to support the most radical positions and the rest of normies will sit back and watch in Minecraft
>>61050907dude, you can just move to Spain or whatever
>>61050549us also has a common language. a huge problem in eu is that every commie shithole speaks their own language
>>61050942why are americans so obsessed with Europejust because youre all rootless mutts doesnt mean everyone else should be the same
>>61050864It’s relevant, shows innovation and a good business environment. Maybe you should look into why startups move to the U.S. or start here.
>>61050827The TV propaganda narrative of health care in europe is pretty cool. The reality of the matter, however, is completely different.For example, my mother needed a hip replacement, but received one only after 6 years of treatment she had to pay for herself, with her getting close to developing complications from the lack of actual treatment. Whereas TV propaganmda shows you receiving a hip replacement immediately. As per TV propaganda, you go to the doctor, and literally leave with a hip replacement the next day.I also experienced this myself, personally. I have a scarred cornea due to an infection. This could be fixed with a sceleral lens. But no doctor was ever interested in actually treating it, or even telling me about it. And I then found out about scleral lenses on my own many years later. And I of course have to pay for it myself, because I have already left your deluded EU nazi shithole.The EU health care system is great if you are de-facto aryan. Then you even receive free prostitutes, based on pseudosciences such as psychology or the new rassenlehre called "gender studies". But if you aren't aryan, then you won't even get a broken eye treated. Still you talk about "comical views on europe". Have you considered that, maybe, you are existing as aryan, in your massively censored nazi bloc? Maybe you are even a cancerous feminist, who is beyond overprivileged, and still considers itself a victim, all the while promoting today's neo-rassenlehre in form of gender studies. You're a massive shithead. Just judged by your posting.
>>61050955I thought we have no startupsand now theyre moving to the US?Cant keep your story straightare you brown like half of the US?
>>61050953it sucks even for people living there. eu tries to larp usa but it will never work out because of this language issue. according to policy i can cross any eu border and even stay there but whats the fucking point when every single country there speaks a language i don't. the euro currency is also a gigantic fraud mainly benefiting the giants like germany but all the small countries will be fucked over withe zero power over the foreign currency they adopted, basically the only way to get more is to borrow which everyone has been doing to unhealthy levels and to export shit, but everything is made cheaply in china now and people will whine if someone suggests tariffs on chink imports
>>61051016holy shit what retarded convoluted nonsensethe EU has just taken over CHINA in economic output
>>61050827I'm self medicating because it's fun, not because I need permission from a doctor to do it, or because I can't afford a prescription, little shitter
>>61051123have fun self medicating once you get hit by a car or something
>>61051136You think getting hit by a car could stop me, or that I let cars sneak up on meMy adrenaline and testosterone levels are like 5x a normal man at the moment
In Greece we pay 15 % capital gains tax and no tax on crypto
>>61051148you better be because you would be broke getting treated in the US healthcare system
>>61051163Coping
>>61048763eurofaggots are second world by now, a generation or two generations and they will be 3rd world. you wont be able to tell the difference between Xuchang or Delhi from London or any other shithole like Paris
>>61051383more brown american cope
>>61051040Man that eastern europe really is powerful to have at one’s side when it’s propped up by EU money.
>>61050974You seem really defensive about this. The data doesn’t lie. You shouldn’t even be mad at me, you should be mad at your leaders.
>>61051383It’s funny, i visited Paris last may and it was exactly like in the romantic myths. My gf said that it has improved a lot. Even the immigrants were all peaceful and working, some hagglers were the worst we had to experience. Meanwhile New York looked like eastern europe used to look except it had homeless everywhere. I was assaulted by a nigger when i had been in the city for half on hour, two blocks from the Tomes Square. You have to be fucking retarded to think that USA is doing better than europe these days, which i guess most americans are these days.
>>61051400Do the rape one now ranjeet
>>61051400Vos estis mente tardi et elusi, typici eurohomosexuales>>61051438it's funny, i´ve been there last summer, again, and ive spent more time in traffic jams than sightseeing, the place was full of rats and i had more minorities begging me for money in one day than in my own country for an entire year
>>61051449>traffic jams than sightseeingHow??? The public transport worked and we only got stuck on traffic once when taking an uber. Didn’t see a single rat, i did see them in the new york metro though.
>>61051443same thing, Pancho
>>61051467you're so full of shit, i doubt you even take nigger transportation or even leave your house
>>61051479Buddy forgot per capita
>>61051400I live in one of those so-called yellow states, and just looked up the numbers. 2.49 murders per 100k, so that map is clearly bunk. Either way, stay out of black areas.>>61051438New York has unfortunately been sliding since 2015. It’s like Blade Runner.>You have to be fucking retarded to think that USA is doing better than europe these daysI mean, the growth numbers don’t lie. Europe seemed like a great place to move to following the Great Recession, not so much now. You guys are run by middle-aged granny bureaucrats.
>>61051493how so?
>>61051494>I live in one of those so-called yellow states, and just looked up the numbers. 2.49 murders per 100k>american maththat is exactly what the map shows
>>61051489Visiting Paris literally cemented my opinion as a EU shill. First seeing what ruins New York had become, then a year later seeing that Paris was in fact the most beatiful city in the world and worth of it’s (old) reputation. I saw literally less homeless or drug addicts there than in my own nordic country capital. And it was more clean than Amsterdam. A real eye opener to just how terminally online and wrong chuds are.
>>61051510My bad, I need more coffee. But murders are completely unheard of here. So to see it yellow as in “hey, caution” is a big what the fuck to me.
>>61051494>the growth numbers don’t lieThe money gets printed out of thin air, it doesn’t represent what is happening in the real world.
>>61051517the only reasonable justification to being this retarded is if someone is paying to post that shit, or you come from an even bigger shithole
>>61051525If those are fake numbers, I’d really hate to see Germany’s real ones. I don’t think Europeans realize how good Americans have it sometimes. Our “upper middle class” lives better than your elite.
>>61050712You voted for this
>>61051527Bro why are you even wanting to deny that american cities are better than european cities when Paris vs. New York is such a good example?
>>61051517It legit makes me upset to see what New York has become. It was the best from 2002-2015. The coolest place ever.
>>61051496Per capita
>>61051545Yes, locked to their gates communities, and even then just one bad sickness away from homelessness. India has an elite population too.
>>61051557"bro", why do you even assume im american? this is why eurofaggots are unberable, you touch their egos and they go on to try and make a dick measuring competion, and then proceed to lose when most of them are just deluded pussies
>>61051563Eh, compared to places like Netherlands or Berlin, the night life was kinda mild and conservative. But sure, it looked way better in the 90s tv-shows.
>>61051589How did i lose? You just started denying my points without proving any counterpoints. Where are you from then if you have more beautiful cities than Paris?
>>61051574We don’t really have a lot of gated communities, we’re separated by wealth. You should also avoid reddit, you don’t lose your job if you get cancer.
i thank the lord every day I was born an amerishart
>>61051604>muh pretty cityyou're the one dodging the original argument. i said>a generation or two generations and they will be 3rd world. you wont be able to tell the difference between Xuchang or Delhi from London or any other shithole like ParisI should have stated instead that they will look like Damascus rather than some random chinese city, seems more fitting.and literally many other towns in france itself are better looking than that open air sewer.
>>61051640Oh i see you're just some low iq/mentally ill chud. Paris didn't smell like a sewer either btw
>>61051762ofc not, it was just the river that gave off the impression of smelling like 2300 years worth of shit
Don't worry, french bro, america will be just as bad soon enough. At least you have beautiful scenery, history, and good food. Nothing to spend our burgerbux on except fast food and stripmall/amazon garbage
>the only reason we didn't end up like this was because a bunch of racist white southerners didn't want to pay for black welfareThat kind of cracks me up. The heroes we needed. Now we're still alive after everyone has realized how cancerous socialism is.
>>61052059You’re welcome, anon. If you had to live around those types like we do down south, you’d understand.
>>61051517listen niggerI am french since 36 years old when i popped out my momma belly. Paris is dirty. THe whole country has more insecurity than it ever had. Everybody is more agressive, poor and stupid than they were 20 and even 40 years ago. Paris is disgusting, there are millions of rats, the city is being bankrupt. We have a major growing algerian mafia problem and narco traffic is on the verge of becoming a number one national issue. There are now shootings in the middle of the day, there were 2 deads and 5 injured 3 days ago in nice i think, quartier le moulin à vent, this did not happen before, even the smallest city has fucking hadjis running all over the place.I don't know how bad new york is but you're completely delusional about france. It is in the worth state it has been since centuries. It's barely recognizable.Every old person you know will tell you it was gorillion times better before, life was completely different, there was joy and love in the air, comfiest country, now you can't park your bike 2 h without it getting stolen by dark skins
>>61050744USA has the worst taxes in the world.Only USA and Eritrea tax citizens globally.Your technically pay like 10% less than euros and get nothing in return. Euros at least get actual services (although I hate the socialist ideas, I'd rather pay for healthcare and education than for Israel).And you can move to a place with 10% flat tax within 5 hours of driving....Amerifats actually celebrate moving to Florida to drop their effective tax rate from 45% to 43% (only counting direct taxes and sales tax, that's before tariff price hikes) LMAO.Your country was founded on sound principles but it's a worse shithole than pretty much anywhere in Europe, bud.
>>61050751Dumbest take I've heard.Germany is a bureaucratic nightmare and still too socialist for my taste but for a married man with 2+ children and stay at home wife, your tax rate is about half of what burgers pay, and you actually get services...
>>61051568please go onwhat would that change?
>>61050974EU is a bureaucratic nightmare and going down the shitter faster than the US, and it's almost impossible to innovate there, that part is right.But it's still way better than the US for actual living. And if you really want some online startup, might as well move to Dubai for 5 years lmao, who tf needs the US.Also I'm still hopeful that the anti-capitalist sentiment that's destroying Europe is temporary. At least I hope that changing regulations and tax regimes is easier than adding 15 IQ points (at least) to your nigger population.>>61051161based, kind of unbelievable actually (or do you mean you don't file because the taxman is incompetent?)>>61051592Literally home to better house music than Europe ever managed to produce (Stephane K & John Creamer). Berlin's techno scene has always been too tryhard and over the top (and worse than Detroit's). I actually give the points to the USA in that regard, even though it was very niche (or maybe exactly because of that).
>>61052598>>61052607every western country is in a competition to tax their middle and upper classes to death it seems. Australia is terrible for it aswell, nothing overt, its just that theres a tax on you farting, there is literally nothing you can spend money on or invest in without paying a tax penalty in any way shape or form.
>>61043794Youre in the EU just literally pack your bags and move to another country. It probably requires paperwork but much easier than going from USA to some European country.>>61043796>familyHave you ever heard of the term visiting? You get in a car/train/boat/plane and travel to them lel.
>>61052685I’m into hard dance and USA is way too lame on that part. They have fucking dubstep, so boring. Old school house is nice but still nothing compared to the very alive scene of hard dance music.
>>61052598Not really I can move to kentucky pay .8% property tax and live completely off the land, I can also defend my life with lethal force at any timeBut it is pretty bad if I wanted to be an international playboy and bang asian chicks all day
>>61052638Alert! We have a serious case of retardation here.
>>61052638The listed nigger chart does not state per capita, thus you have failed this test jamal
>>61052704>Australia is terrible for it aswellAustralia is worse, because now you're getting double-taxed if you spent more than 45 days in Australia, even as an expat.And you just know that's stage 1 of implementing global taxation like the USA.> .8% property taxSounds abysmal, but I guess land is also cheap there so it works out.If living off the land is your thing, probably not a horrible idea, but in that case, since you're not paying federal income tax, I don't get why you wouldn't move to a lower property tax state ...
>>61052638are you unironically retarded?140k cases in USA with 300m population40k cases in FRA with 70m population=1 rape per 2150 people in burgerica1 rape per 1750 people in frogistan=, if you're still too slow to get it: people rape more in france than in americamy god, man. the only point of being european is our (on average) higher iqif you're dumb, white, and in europe, you're basically losing on every aspect of life
>>61050605More brown Muslim dystopian poor and you get fucked by mafia or the state youre insanely delusional if you think Russia is ok. I think America is the only place to go.
>>61052755we have stamp duty, and capital gains tax, and GST(goods and services tax) on certain parts of the purchase+sales process, stamp duty and CGT are the bigger problems.
>>61052745>>61052746>>61052779UK is the only country that is far above the USFrance is basically the samethe rest of Europe is far belowtry harder
>>61053080U have no guns to clap back, thus no way to take out the trashMudslimes multiply much faster than nigsWe've had the coons for 400 years, given the time frame it's a massive successYou've been overtaken by Muslims in 20 years, gg
>>61051545but wasn't germany the one obsessed with the debt brake thats been fucking up everything
>>61053080haha uk is the most dystopian hell in west. it went full retard since leaving eu
>>61053080This has to be bait.
>>61043794Its there os grind you into dust for hudeo grewmasonry and saynic potlical parties they are allowed a little less wora trhan the ussa remove them all pf splx adl bnai how di you con yourself when there were no wage taxes in 1797 nor starvation thanks to jews freemasons ald bnai brith shit and jdueo freemasonry its 200 years starvation pump and dumps and drugs porn and zionism and marxism racial relgious invasion
>>61053690facts are bait?
>>61054001pic related
>>61043794You should've just bought Bitcoin and sat on it. KYC didn't even become a thing in my little shithole country until 2017. You can carry it across any border in the world on an encrypted flash memory card, and even if they seize the card (assuming you used decent encryption) they still can't get at the keys.Then just retire to someplace nice like Argentina and cash it out whenever you want for zero tax anywhere.
>>61043794>Be Spain>Fail to make a budget for the past 2 years>Debt falls, Economy starts to grow again>Budget deficit falls from 10% to just 3.2%
>>61054213yeah, governments doing nothing are actually the best thing that can happen to an economy
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>>61053080>Be the UK>Exit the EU cus Immigration>Poles exit the country>Pajeets star to flood the streets>European Inmigration plummets>The UK is now full of MuslimsLMAO
>>61054236>Poles exit the countrythose are the rapists
>>61054243Yet you keep importing Muslims and pajeets in record numbers, even more than Poles previous to the Brexit Referendum. The UK had legal mechanisms to prevent those rapists from entering again, even if they were EU citizens.
>>61054281why are poles raping more than pakis?
>>61054302Because you don't have any legal framework to deport and jail them in Poland anymore.Also>The Telegraph
>>61054340>they are raping, because you cant deport thembrilliant logic
>>61043812What the fuck are these replies? It's like a woman screeching "Lol we were talking about Chad not being Chad enough, not your ugly ass." You basically self owned yourselves.>>61043794You have nothing to complain about. Try making_it in Russia.And you do get taxed 50% on everything. I'm not sure what that imbecile meant by third world countries not having taxes.Also there's plenty of white skinned third world countries, again not sure in what fantasy world you retards live in.
>>61045227>I think this is on purpose, governments don't want financially independant peopleAs a burger, let me put it this way.Your financial freedom is what pragmatically enables you to exercise your natural rights.Free speech(American kind), firearm ownership(American kind), and voting.You are currently denied the first two.>they want cattle they can exploit and lead indefinitelybecause they see their worldview as one that supplements, not compliments all that is good and beautiful in creation.
>>61051040>EU has just taken over CHINA in economic output>According to data released by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in April 2025, the European Union (EU) has overtaken China to become the world's second-largest economy when measured by nominal GDP. >Nominal GDP is the total market value of all final goods and services produced in an economy in a given year, calculated using current year prices and not adjusted for inflation.I know you europoors have a 2nd hand education, so I will avoid being technical and put it this way.Apple's total market capitalization is worth more than every German stock exchange combined.Microsoft + Apple is worth more than every German stock exchange and French stock exchange, combined.
>>61051438>Meanwhile New York looked like eastern europeMaybe you should go to brooklyn and lower manhattan instead of times square.>You have to be fucking retarded to think that USA is doing better than europe these days, which i guess most americans are these days.nah that's projection>>61051517never been to Paris, but i have been to london... i have never seen a muslim praying in public until i visited london.... and i say this as a californian living 45 minutes from los angeles in an area with a high muslim population.
>>61051574>Yes, locked to their gates communitiesthe fuck are you talking about?>and even then just one bad sickness away from homelessnessi don't care if you believe me or not, but most Americans do in fact have healthcare.>>61051589you know what really gets me is how much nicer we are compared to them... like as a generalization of national character we genuinely lack the mean spirited nature of europoors>when most of them are just deluded pussiesyou know, from talking to a few recently in wales over some nice welsh whisky(on the house too)... i learned the ones that aren't deluded pussies have to be smart and lay low>>61051621his education about America comes from American cultural exports i.e. shit like youtube.>>61052289>It's barely recognizable2010 onward will be looked upon as an example of how easily brainwashed white women are, who in turn brainwash sissified white men who either don't think too hard about politics or don't speak their real views on politics
>>61043794Canadian here. I thought it was bad here and then I started learning more about EU taxes and stuff because my mom is from Poland and I can get a citizenship over there. France stood out to me as one of the worst, it's honestly criminal. Impossible to make it over there. Just leave somewhere better frogbro it's no way to live.
>>61054988London is like being in Islamabad but everyone has funny accents, fuck the UK, fucking Anglo's are scum no exceptions.
>>61043794that's cute and all but should i buy french bonds now?
>>61044311>come to the USthat's not really a big improvementhe'll only go from getting stabbed by niggers to getting shot by niggersbut america probably still has less % niggers than francei'm not sure which side is more feral, but at least with knives you're safe if you keep physical distance
>>610438297 years of pure liberalism with the «Mozart of finance» and somehow it’s the leftists’ fault. France decided to be a welfare country and half-assed it because of individualism and bigotry and now you want it to be a fascist state ? That won’t help the country, that won’t help Europe and that won’t help its people.
>>61055314maybeI think the risk of a total long term default is ultimately very small. Could it miss a payment in a few years? maybe in a pessimistic scenariothe real risk is total france collapse, like civil war, complete fucking reset
>>61055585shut up fucking retard. i don't even argue with leftists anymore i just use insults and violence
>>61054243there is a 0% chance those stats are authentic. Don't forget, in marxist, anti-white, anarcho-tyranny societies like the UKSSR, the police LOVE to pick on whitey for anything, those poles are easy targets, so they'll go out of their way to investigate any bad behaviour they might be guilty of, while ignoring Jamal and Mohammed's rape-fests.
>>61054302Socioeconomic conditions?
