i have finished med school and realized this field fucken sucks, there are no jobs, the competition is insane, and the working conditions are bordering on slavery. i have yet to find a job myself after a year of graduation.is there any career shifts that i can make? any way to salvage this shitshow that am in?
>>61068191really? i wouldve thought med jobs were in demand
start your own clinic
>>61068191Do you have a PhD?Can you start your own practice? That's gotta be better than working at some faggot enabling hospital.
>>61068205>>61068206i can't because i haven't done any residency in any field yet, starting your own clinic is something to be done after you've finished years and years of residency and clinical practice.>>61068198there is demand but there is much MUCH more offer.
>>61068198>>61068205>>61068206Certified midwit alert. You can't just start your own practice at 26. You can't start any business at all nowadays in fact. The entire world is looooicense hell literally designed by jews and their boomer golems to keep the youth as poor as possible. In every field there's one crook to 99 suckers who has a piece of paper that requires nepotism to get that allows him to make 1000000x the money all the sucker slaves do. It's the kafala system but worldwide at this point. And NOWHERE is his arbitrary gated bullshit more apparent than i first world medicine. They have actually quit pretending their absurd bureaucracy exists to do anything else but keep the same few boomers rich.But sure, clueless urbanoid sansculottes who've never been self employed or anything even remotely close to it in their entire life will keep thinking we live in le free market where you can just open up your own practice, business, whatever tomorrow morning like it's nothing and if you aren't thriving it's entirely your individual fault.
>>61068237What will you do?
>>61068245fuck me if i know, every day i sit on my desk, pressure mounting from my family, feeling more lost by the hour, no sense of what to expect or to be done.
>>61068191what a fucking crybaby. you will be rich af after less than a decade. you could sit all day long in a private clinic making bank while the wagies that visit you will die from cancer or maybe some dumb preventable crap because they are either too poor to pay for healthcare or to retarded to even understand how to take care of themselves.though I do feel sad for you in a sense: you don't seem to have a real vocation for helping people. like, you don't even mention patients in your post. you have no vocation. I don't think you'll be able to endure even having to talk to people...
Whatever you do, don't pivot to tech
Should have gone into ER as a specialty, always places to work and you never have to take work home. It's also varied enough that ypu could work at a trauma center, stroke center, cardiac center, all 3, or just a little community place and chill. Ya goofed OP
>>61068258are u retarded doctors have one of the highest rates of infectious diseases because they deal with 30 patients everyday with god knows what pathogens and most doctors today have shorter lifespans than the avg population
>>61068276>muh PathogensYou are a mouthbreathing midwit retard nigger
>>61068276bull fucking shit. they might have shitty lifespans on average only because some of them kill themselves. those are the ones that actually have any calling. dermatologists make tons of money and they basically prescribe fucking pills and topical medications.
>>61068191demoralization thread
why do i get a feeling that i know where you live
>there are no jobsWhat country are you in? In my country (finland) you get bombarded with job offers and only in a few very popular specialization fields the supply at least meets the demand.>working conditions are bordering on slaveryYeah medicine is hard work, there is no denying that. But it’s very rewarding (you get to help people with their health, nowhere have i heard people say as genuine thank (you)s to me as in medicine, made me realize how worthless almost all of the shit we fo is) and also it isn’t the only job in the world where you need to work hard. But i can take unpaid vacations when i feel like it and work 30, 50, 80% part-time if i feel like it. And the pay is fucking crazy, especially in the private sector. Easily 3-4x times the median wage of my country if i work full/overtime.Honestly this smells like a troll thread, in our boomer filled world, medicine is the golden goose as long as you are not a weak pussy and willing to work hard. And the global average age just continues to increase.
finished school but failed to get smart
>>61068331*we do isAnd i have to say in my country you don’t even need to do residency to start working as a private gp. Hell, here you get a license to do that one year before you even graduate, so med students are already buying houses. God i love our system.
>>61068303ye i am demoralized as fuck.>>61068331the only issue here is that am NOT finnish, and you are completely disconnected from the global healthcare scene atm, just look at the UK NHS, germany, and USA. they're suffering.>>61068326not india or paki fortunately but it's not like am miles better.
>>61068191I've dropped out of med school 3 years ago for innumerable reason, but the eventual AI replacement and/or inevitable telecuckery growing stronger in my shithole made me do the jump of faith.>just get specialized bro>just start your own businessanything will make you rich in these terms with enough time, dedication and wit. OP, the world we grew up preparing for doesn't exist. Things have brutally changed. Since you already graduated I'd advise you to pick a part time job and battle for something more scalable (finance??) in the remaining hours. It won't be easy but life is hard for (almost) everyone. Also you are so fucking early. Gl
>>61068191wtf are you serious ? i thought medicine was a safe haven. Yes the working conditions are brutal but you can find a job no problem
>>61069172yup thanks lad appreciate the kind words, dont wanna start sob story and blogposting but it's just a typical case where my mum and dad always wanted a doctor and my brother and 2 sisters weren't that great in school nor studying, but i was doing pretty good at school and had high grades with the typical "gifted kid" stereotype, so everyone around me pressured me into it and i was too young and stupid to understand what the fuck am i getting into. now 7-8 years later i've made it out of med school with like 3.3 gpa but it's just ridiculous how hard it is to even get a foot in the door and start practicing medicine, and my old man is on burrowed time as well since he's got multiple myeloma(bone marrow cancer) so am just torn internally on being a disappointment after all these years, dad's dying of cancer, me not getting a stable income and NEETing at fucken 25 years old, and the constant questions from family and friends on why you're not in a job yet? why you're not married yet? why you don't have your own house yet? where's your buggati? shit's gonna make me rope soon
And remember the word of our master:"In ze new world, it is not ze big fish which eats ze small fish, but rather ze fast fish which eats ze slow fish"Just get faster bro
>>61069211Which country are you located in and what's your specialty? If you're in the USA, it shouldn't be difficult to get a family medicine position in bumfuck anywhere. There's a serious shortage in rural America.
>>61068191kek can't even be a wagie these days
>>61069125>USAThey get paid even way better than we do, they just have to go trough the residency. It’s still one of the best routes to take there.
>I don't know what to doStop floundering and keep applying for your residency you stupid faggot. If you really hate frontline medicine so much maybe look for laboratory roles instead.
>>61069211>family actually pressuring you into medicine>somehow being able to start medschool at 17 yoSo you’re some third world brownie? Huh figures. It’s funny, i got a call from a job broker offering me WFH gp job while writing this post. I guess due to your location it was over for you from the start. Btw even in britain you only need to work for few years with the shit pay, then you can start working in australia for big bucks.>>61069247He is some third world brownie. They have a shortage of doctors everywhere in USA, he has no idea what he is talking about.
>>61068191Anon, there are many young men in the exact same position across almost all white collar fields. Don't feel bad, we're suffering together. Things will get better soon.
>>61068237>there is demand but there is much MUCH more offer.Time to put in the grind on the applications. My dad spent years trying to get into a residency but that was because he did his schooling in the Caribbean. You should NOT have this problem.
>>610692111) social pressure is a fuck but you can't live on people's expectations (because they are mostly cattled morons) 2) your dad's unfortunate situation is increasing the pressure from the quarter-life crisis you are going throughtaking time to grieve this and spend some time with him it's a no brainer thing to do now. it takes a big dose of grit and persistence to constantly say (literally or metaphorically) a 'fuck you' to the world and take the possession of your own decisions. most people never get there, just look around. since you are smart start working out your emotional intelligence and overall basal mind/body/health/multicosmospiritualwh-ateverishyping conditions and let time heal the wounds. things will definitely get better (or won't).
Zoomers are lazy as a bum.
>>61069247am from iraq, so doing STEPS for usa is just extra hard for me since it's hard to get a visa there for LORs and clinical exp etc. i've done my studies in jordan and done one year internship there as well. shit was hard as fuck which makes this bottleneck even extra sour for me. just to be clear this is not entirely about the money, ofc it would be nice to have a job and a stable income but our family is doing okay since my dad put every dime he made into real estate which ended up being a wise decision. it's just this inherit feeling that you should be/can be doing more but somehow nothing works out. and after being exposed to so much suffering you come to realize that in modern medicine we're not really curing anyone, sure you give antibiotics to someone with an infection or do an appendictomy to some boy with an inflamed appendix, but most people are just doomed to suffer from chronic conditions for the rest of their lives. diabetes,hypertension,chronic kidney injury, heart failure, cancer, autoimmune diseases, these are all disorders that are basically treatable but you can never fully cure them simply because modern life and modern society promotes these conditions. so you end up in a brutal cycle where you're just selling people pharmaceuticals that improve their condition temporarily until their body just shits itself.idk am probably just being a faggot who's not "toughing" it up, should've been a translator for the american forces when they invaded in 2003 they would've sorted me out of this mess.>>61069518>>61069529>>61069786danke amigos, gonna keep fighting the good fight i guess.
>>61068191same bro.Just finished a CS Phd (non-AI) and realized literally no one is hiring
>>61069448Have to vouch for residency. Brother-in-law moved east to Detroit for his and then moved back west for his actual work. Seems to be work since he can shuffle around (and I heard there were some strikes in Michigan)
this doesn't make sense. You are 25 and already finished your MD undergrad, implying youv'e finished a 4 year bachelors and the four year MD undergrad, all by 25. This means since 17 you have done everything perfectly. You must have outcompeted many people several years older than you trying to get into med. And yet, everyone is shitting on you? Who? Why? >so am just torn internally on being a disappointment after all these years>getting a stable income and NEETing at fucken 25 years old, and the constant questions from family and friends on why you're not in a job yet? why you're not married yet? why you don't have your own house yet? where's your buggati?Again, completely nonsensical. What do you mean you being a disappointment and being a jobless neet? If you finished your md undergrad all thats left is to do a specialty. And sorry OP but your friends and family all sound like subhuman pieces of shit and you should probably cut them all off the second you start earning big bucks. Move out of whatever shithole you are in and dont talk to those people ever again. idk even for brown/asian minded people this sounds like too much. This might be demoralization blackpill posting
>>61068274it's 90% dealing with fat disgusting stinky brownoids there for free healthcare for minor issues
Why would I ever want to work in health?You only have to deal with the sick and disgusting aspects of the human body.Absolutely revolting.
>Retarded brownoid nepobaby transplant complains his life isn't easy enough Just sit around being a fat fuck until your parents croak and you can inherit your dad's real estate properties.
>>61071681yes but the issue is "all that left is to do speciality" turns out to be a massive task, with tons of burdens, of all kinds. and the amount of nepotism(i.e family and connections who are doctors to help you get a better CV,clinical experience, LORs etc) needed is genuinely absurd. i am demoralized cause it's fucken killing me the thought of doing all this shit, all that studying and late nights for all these years, just to end like this. here, allow me to shed more light into my situation, so i can give more material to be ridiculed as a turd worlder from my fellow 4channelrs:after finishing my school in jordan, i went back to iraq, they have EIGHT equivalency exams to recognize your MD, which is completely ridiculous but i managed 6 of the 8 exams thus far, and you have to wait SIX months between each trial. and even after doing all that, you still gonna have to wait a year or two for your residency because there's plenty of doctors and no hospitals.i went to a GCC country called kuwait next, good life work balance, good salary etc, they also have an equivalency exam which i managed to pass with 71% after some preparation, i failed it once though cuz i thought it would be easier. after passing my luck appears to run out again as they tell me am 2 months too late, they stopped hiring 2 months ago for any foreign doctors.am a decent english speaker so i thought about the UK, but everyone there is basically suffering from the broken NHS system.the US? you need alot of connections and alot of money to get the needed CV, even then you're not guranteed shit, let alone the visa problems.germany? i can speak a lil bit of german, but re learning everything in german is a fucken insane task, let alone all the open borders immigration there with the constant stabbings by the jihadists which makes the rest of us look very uncool.you see the issue? it's just a fucken knife fight out there as tim dillon says, and am just in the middle of it all.
>>61068191Be a degen, buy XMN, hold for a while, take profit and you never need to work again
>>61071718sir i have cold pls give antiobiotic
>>61071767Nursing pussy
>>61068191>i have finished med school and realized this field fucken sucks, there are no jobsno jobs in medicine? never heard that before.Do you mean for an MD that hasn't done a residency?you've gone really deep in the game to realize it isn't for you. what was going through your head med school year 1 then year 2 or even applying for it?Then you did 2 more years?
>>61070947Wait we have the immigrants even here on 4chan now? How are you even able to write posts this long in english with grammar that good? Shouldn’t you be harassing white women at a club or something right now? I’m just suprised that you people have even invaded the internet now.Anyways your lack of higher intelligence is showing in your doubt of medicine. Sure in this age, antibiotics seem like a thrivial thing but many of those infections could develop to fatal things, or give life long disabilities without antibiotics. As i said i work as a gp and the people with chronic diseases is still in a minority, most of the stuff is acute things that we are able to treat. I don’t know where you get this ”most people have chronic diseases” thing. And even if we can’t cure the diseases, we can ease their suffering hugely. Hell, these days people don’t even need to be fat anymore thanks to stuff like ozempic. Medicine has increased average lifespan by like 30 years, that’s fucking huge. ”We can’t help most patients” what the fuck? The patients we can’t help are in a small minority. The biggest problem is that we don’t have enough working staff and infrastructure to help all we could help.Every body inevitably shits itself, that’s the cycle of nature. But were already able to greatly prolong this cycle in most cases and reports are coming in that researchers are close to really being able to slow aging on a cellular level, meaning decades of more longetivity.
>>61072682As i said you only need to work for a few years in britain before you can start working in australia. But yeah when we discuss about stuff here on 4chan, we talk about USA/europe. Of course the third world is going to suck no matter what you do.
>>61075704I mean we talk about how things are in pic related area.
>>61072682Ah now we see the problemYou made the one mortal sin op you could makeMedicine everywhere is highly protected and you have to live/practice in the same country you got your degree inUnless you are a miracle worker super genius being a doctor is the one career that isnt international mobileThats your problem, not a lack of md jobs So why did you go to a different country to study in the first place
Dude believe too much lies on medicine, let me give you straight, md is cuck of the cuck, get used like a tool and get thrown just like trash, and do not deserve even the slightest human rights, many are overworked on postcalls, they definitely get paid well and attract foids too, but the price to be paid is just unreasonable, when you have money, you can literally own the hospital and not care about medicine. Why be md when you can be the hospital and the one manage the md?
>>61068303Not sure where OP is but im literally a UK doctor who's voluntarily unemployed right now. Working 60 hour weeks for £4k a month with nurses who hate doctors and don't speak english, obnoxious arab patients and scamming indian doctors who you have to pick up the slack for or else the GMC will get you.Don't know what to do but I just decided nothing was preferable to that shit. It was only meant to be a month off but I can't bring myself to go back to getting in at 8am in the cold for some fat nurse to tell me that she's decided doctors have to wear black shoes from now and she's reported me to infection control.
>>61075801medicine is highly international though what you on about, hospitals all over the world always got doctors from a wide variety of backgrounds.i went to jordan cuz it's just a chill country honestly, amman(the capital) is nice, weather is good, food is delicious, and one of the few places where migration kinda works. it has all different kinds of arabs, russians/ukranians, europeans, americans, even south americans and asians. and the level of education is high, which are all considerable advantages to the place where i came from.i woulda loved to stay there and finish my residency in amman but as i said, there is already a surplus of jordanian doctors who have to go abroad, so foreign doctors are not allowed to do residencies there.>>61075712been on the 4chan for a good amount of time ofc i understand that this place is mostly about european and american culture, but i guess i just made this post cause am getting overwhelmed and am not the kind of person that vents IRL unfortunately.am not sure about your views of modern medicine, but what i said was factual.when am talking about chronic diseases, they are statistically the biggest cause of mortality and morbidity worldwide, CVAs, CHDs, CKD, lung/colon/blood/brain cancers, alzehimers, MS, and i could go on and on. these disorders are what taking the main chunk of the population, and it is what causing alot of people to live long miserable lives, and all of them are simply incurable because as i said earlier, their underlying cause is always gonna be present, which is simply modern life and modern society. no doubt we all should be thankful for the modern developments in medicine, but as i see it, we're in this constant struggle with nature, where we patch one hole just for another to start leaking. the only way i believe we can make a true leap in curing different ailments is through gene therapy.
>>61075712interesting picture
>>61075890Is it true that you could just move to australia and start doctoring there?
>>61075902Almost every western country has an accreditation organisation above your base degree with the explicit goal of limiting inflow into the profession to keep renumeration highHence your problemsThe equivalence exams might exist but they are a sham, for employment you will be heavily discriminated against compared to native degrees
Humiliating ritual lmao
>>61075890feel for you mate, it's just as ridiculous in most places in the world. how do you support yourself now tho? you get neetbux or you have anything saved? you're still miles better than me tho, if you go back and finish your residency, get a board certification, you can go to a GCC country where they'll consider you a higher being for having a UK board and UK training, you'll get free healthcare, no tax, cheap gas, safer environment, and perhaps a welcome change from the constant rainy climate. wish ya luck.
>>61075712>west bank barrier
>>61075936Yeah, I may move country but probably not Aus. If im moving that far I want to be free of western political issues.>>61076026I have savings but i can't relax forever as I have a young kid. As for residency we just have foundation years which I have done.
Do you fell for immorality meme in the med? That is as old as it tales. No doubt med does achieve immortal but it is not for the faint of heart.
>>61075902>what i said was factual.Bro i told you in my post how many diseases medicine has already cured. As i said, a 30 years increase to average lifespan is huge. Sure there are still people who have chronic diseases, but they are a minority of people and we have been able to ease their suffering a lot. Many people with chronic diseases live pretty normal life, sounds like you don’t have clinical experience yet. Talking about medicine without clinical experience is like talking about sex without sexual experience haha. So anyways i don’t get what you are complaining about in modern medicine, we are able to help so much already and we just keep on advancing.
How the fuck are there no jobs for doctors.
>>61068191I was there anon, ten years ago I was in your shoes.You can: go to consulting or industry. But it's hard because you're not actually worth much fresh out of med school.What is most easily done is to keep suffering a few years and then end up in a position where you're a bit more valuable, a bit more used to your work role, and have a bit more options to work less.But yeah it sucks donkey dick, I hated my life and regretted my choices for 3-4 years out of med school, like wanted to kms hated my life. After that I ended up in radiology and it's much more chill(microbiology also seem pretty relaxed).Best of luck.
>>61068191welcome to the real world, kidwhatever you do, stay out of debtsave as much as you can and dont have children before you have money
> gene therapyX-men, spiderman, superman, hulk, batman have the genes advantage, they literally overpowered common folk.
>>61076707thanks breh, i hope these gap year(s) dont completely shitstain my CV tho, even tho i know it would.hows radio btw? is the AI creep a real thing or just another form of internet doomerism?
