Monero is anonymous internet money. Unlike all other coins, nobody can see what's in your Monero wallet, not even the government. Thanks to this property of fungibility, among others, Monero is the only crypto that can actually be called sound money, comparable to physical gold.files.catbox.moe/ncn70n.mp4Easiest way to buy (de-listings can't stop us):>have any crypto>swap on trocador.appIf you care about anonymous/fungible/private digital money existing at all, stack as much monero as you can. If you care about financial freedom in general, stack monero. This will raise the coin's security budget. You can also easily mine on a CPU. Monero has the most active economy in crypto. For example, you can buy and sell goods and services on XMRBazaar.com. Invest in your financial freedom! Become a part of it.Info dumps:rentry.org/monero-explainedpastebin.com/raw/0AxVPSramoneroinfodump.neocities.org
Move aside old man.
I WASN'T ONLINE IN THE 265 DIP
>>61086509he rapes you and leaves you shaking and crying in a dark alley.
>>61086509>Just stack bro>Oh yeah, maybe consider miningShalom
>>61086567irrelevant shitcoin
>>61086509i dont trust my ledger anymore whats the best way to long term store your monero?
>>61087848I don keep a pc always on I will never do it to mine I won't ever buy mining rigsThe time I spend with my pc on I am gaming or doing stuff with it so what's the point of mining if I won't even get anything out of it?>>61088587Feather wallet or Monero GUI
the exchanges went down yesterdayjust another reason to never trust a third party with your coins
how do chineses think of monero?
>>61087290
>>61088587Are you a turbo autist when it comes to storing your crypto?Yes: XMRsignerNo: any android tablet
>>61088592>what's the point of mining if I won't even get anything out of it?Is Monero nothing? Why does this general just be about you?
>>61089184Honestly I have a 7600x but doesn't matter how much I will keep it miningIt won't even cover electricity bill dude
>>61089188The point of mining is securing the chain and ensuring its existence. If you're only here for profits, you're barking up the wrong tree.
>>61089228Yeah you can do it my bro. I stated my reasons I do not do it. I can't throw in my money do electricity bills for nothing. As much as I love Monero
>>61089239i bet you don't return your shopping cart
>>61086567FUCK YOU
>>61086509pedo coin, i'm buying zec instead
>>61089322The reason Monero is more or less decoupled from BTC and already recovered from yesterday's black swan is that it's not on many exchanges
>>61089423You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean CEX listings are bad
>>61089365based. better privacy, better liquidity, number goes up.
>>61086509
>>61090079Bette privacy? lol ztrash shills go suck Mossad in your thread
>>61089365>pedo coinPedos were the early adopters of https
>>61089365>No other previous posts>>61090079>Only other post is just a jpg of zcashWow, sure looks like zec has a lot of natural support!
>>61090323indeed it does. step outside to Solana twitter. /biz/ missed out on SOL and HYPE that's why you keep seeing dying coins like LINK or XMR still getting shilled here.adapt to the changing meta or get left behind.
Threadly reminder that ZEC is the quintessential pump & dump coin.
>>61089650Yes it does. It's already easy enough to buy Monero, what does being on more CEX get us in exchange from becoming hostage of Trump tweeting and BTC dumping?
>>61090196I love this one. Makes me want to do the same thing now that the weather is cooling down again.
What about Qubic
inherited just under 1 mil from my grandparents and aped 350k into xmr please dont fuck me
>>61090749Why wouldn't you wait until we're in a bear market before doing that? We'll probably be back at $200 sometime next year.
>>61090818idk i deluded myself into my position, i don't plan on touching it for ~10 years so im just gonna ride the waves and hope i dont get boned
>>61090749Mong move
>>61090980If you're going to hold for the long term then I guess it doesn't really matter. Good luck to you brother.
>>61090518>It's already easy enough to buy MoneroIs it easy enough for normies? Non rhetorical question. I've never tried to buy through cake wallet so I have no idea
>>61086509What happened to these threads man? Where are all the infographs?
>>61090497guess some baggies will be happy
>>61091913OP was exposed as a glowie.
>>61091856It's trivial
>>61091913The old OP accused anyone that was in favor of using XMR as an investment of being a fed/moonfag/etc
>>61091913Thread has been hijacked.
>>61086509>no monero-chandead thread
>>61091913Moonboy enshittification. They hijacked the general promising the moon but ended up killing its soul. OP did all the infographics and curated the resource lists so now we can't have those or other nice things anymore. >>61092059They'd sell right now if they had half a brain but they won't because they think the pump is organic and indicative of future returns.
>>61090749>>61090749what exchange even has that much monero to sell? or lets you do that without kyc?
Zcash is a superior privacy token
>>61093376>Zcash is a superior privacy tokenThe village eats tonight.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1o453e3/why_centralised_kyc_exchanges_allow_zec/Turns out the halo2 upgrade didn't actually mitigate the risk of fhe trusted setup ceremony. If even one of the ceremonial keys exists then the chain can be deanonymized and infinite coins can be produced. Whoops.
>>61094087>and infinite coins can be producedDisregard. 1 key being destroyed prevents this
nocoinz newfag hereWhat is the easiest way to buy monero using fiat without the kyc nigger cattle shuffle. I know about haveno but I heard you need a deposit and i'd rather start with fiat. I'm willing to buy something else and swap. What are my options?
>>61094553Localmonero, if you are willing to swap just buy bitcoin (or even something like USDC) and houdiniswap or fixfloat it.
>>61094553Follow the chart.
>>61094586Cake is a wallet that lets you buy inside redirecting to other wallets. But you can also use any CEX to buy LTC and swap with any site from orangefren tooI usually just do LTC to XMR via Coinbase. In Europe we have DFX as CEX fo XMR but their fees are higher than just swapping it.
>>61094553>What is the easiest way to buy monero using fiat without the kyc nigger cattle shuffle. Depends on where you draw the line. I'll just assume you mean>I'm not kycing with these new niggas>I know about haveno but I heard you need a deposit and i'd rather start with fiat. I'm willing to buy something else and swap. What are my options?If you already kycd with a custodial bitcoin wallet like cashapp, strike, wallet of satoshi, etc. then by far the easiest thing to do is to just buy bitcoin through them and swap it.If not, haveno/retoswap does no deposit trades. XMRbazaar also has listings that offer XMR. Don't listen to >>61094553 because >Localmonero,Has been dead for 3 years now? And>houdiniswapIs a literal shit coin built on top of a scam swap serviceWhich makes me think he's a pajeet
>>61094938Use trocador or orangefren to find reputable swap services
me with my firo wallet rn that I set up 3 years ago or so
>>61089049Their website looks like my calculus finals. TRIGGERED. I DIDN'T STUDY MY TRIG IDENTITIES!! THEY EVEN WARNED ME NOOOOOOOOOO
>>61095431Kek, they are using Latin Modern
>>61090079>based. better privacy,monero has done a great job proving privacy can work onchain. new models like houdiniswap are experimenting with crosschain privacy that's regulation friendly.
>>61096806>regulation friendlydid you really fall for this meme? you just need two things: a shielded pool and a transparent pool. everyone transacts in a shielded pool but every pussy exchange can use transparent pool as a cover. it's a regulatory backdoor.
>>61097299Optional privacy is sup-optimal privacy. Moving between pools leaks data, not to mention it makes it possible to accidentally make a transparent tx when you intended otherwise. Just a bad idea and why ZEC gets no respect from the OpSec space.
>>61097338>Moving between pools leaks datayeah, so don't do that. use transparent pool as on-ramp and off-ramp, like you would use Litecoin on Trocador - yeah swapping leaks, so minimize swaps. 101 shit.
>>61093426I bought Zcash and made hundreds of thousands because I'm smarter than you. You didn't because you're low iq
>>61096806>houdiniswapCan you fuck off with your shit governance coin
>>61097399Hope you sold the top retard
>>61097351>yeah, so don't do that.See, this is why nobody takes Zcash seriously. Making it possible for users to slip up and hurt themselves is the epitome of negligent design. Transparent pools are a compromise, plain and simple. And when you compromise on privacy, you invite ridicule and revulsion. The stubborn refusal of the Monero camp to allow transparent txs has greatly contributed to its image as a project that does privacy by the book and never compromises. You can't buy that kind of street cred.>>61097399>I won big at the casinoGood for you but gambling is hardly a winning strategy for most.
>>61097511>privacy by the bookMonero is privacy theater. 16 decoys are you for real? (inb4 2 more weeks to fcmp) Monero is misleading users about privacy their get, Zcash is honest - shielded is shielded and transparent is transparent. It's just that simple.
>>61097585>Yes, honestI remember the time the traced shielded zcash transactions with simple heuristics.https://cryptobriefing.com/zcash-privacy-back-question-user-traces-shielded-transaction/Afaik this is still possible today if you're not careful, so it's way easierto make mistakes.
>>61097688same principle with XMR, if you swap in and immediately swap out you are gonna get rekt. privacy comes from coins at rest in a shielded state and Zcash shielded pool is growing faster than Monero mcap.
>>61097585Ring signatures were the best available option when the Bytecoin whitepaper was being drafted. Yeah, they aren't ideal but they've held their own for over 10 years and are now being deprecated. They constitute only 1/4 of Monero's privacy protocol, even with them being 100% broken it still wouldn't give you the critical data (addresses and amounts). Meanwhile, the existence of t-addresses limits the size of the anonymity set and allows users to fumble the ball when transacting. Bad design. No respect. Zero street cred. >>61097750>Zcash shielded pool is growing faster than Monero mcap.Probably the most retarded apples to oranges comparison ever made.FCMP++ (testnet already running) are the death blow, having only one (shielded) pool gives Monero an anonymity set that is already orders of magnitude larger than Zcash's. Having orders of magnitude more active users and therefore shielded transactions growing said anonymity set means Zcash simply cannot ever catch up. At that stage all you trannies will have left is appeals to muh compliance. Really, that's it.
>>61096103It looks good I am just being retarded. It is what the physics and math depts all seem to use for tests and problem sets. It reminds me of stress lol.
>>61097794>we have 4 security features, you have to break all of themno. for EAE style attacks critical data is the transaction graph and ring sigs simply fall short. if they didn't there wouldn't be need to urgently upgrade to Zcash style privacy.>best available optionyou've had more than ten years. Zcash came out in 2016. Tornado Cash came out in 2019. you've had how many attempts to scale up ring size? Triptych (dead), Seraphis (dead), FCMP (dead but you'll claim "evolution"). There was another one that got broken because it relied on some security assumption your devs just made up from whole cloth. Now FCMP++ is the new hotness and after you fail another audit it will be FCMP++++. It just never ends.Not to mention that FCMP++ is experimental and untested as nobody else is building upon curve cycles. Funnily enough, that was your main criticism for not adopting SNARKs earlier. Read https://bhargav.wtf/blog/zcash-part-4/ for details.Monero should have just forked Orchard but you are too proud to do that.
>>61097988>no. for EAE style attacks critical data is the transaction graph and ring sigs simply fall short. Knowing that EAE attacks are a possibility is why the churning concept was introduced. Knowing what dangers lurk enables you to avoid them. Hence the lack of DNM admins falling victim to EAE attacks.>if they didn't there wouldn't be need to urgently upgrade to Zcash style privacy.Ring signatures were always considered a stop-gap measure, a temporary fix. It was just a matter of the right solution with the best trade offs becoming available.>you've had more than ten years. Zcash came out in 2016. Tornado Cash came out in 2019. you've had how many attempts to scale up ring size? Triptych (dead), Seraphis (dead), FCMP (dead but you'll claim "evolution"). Triptych and Seraphis were the working proposals until they were superseded by something better. That's how development works, you're focused on one thing and then you realize another approach would be better.>Now FCMP++ is the new hotness and after you fail another audit it will be FCMP++++. The actual work for FCMP++ is now done. Finito. Now its just a matter of auditing. >It just never ends.You wish. Eventually all the bugs get worked out and you have a working product.>Not to mention that FCMP++ is experimental and untested as nobody else is building upon curve cycles.Saying "nobody else is building upon curve cycles" ignores the broader cryptographic landscape. Recursive SNARKs like Halo 2, Nova, SuperNova, ProtoStar and Plonky2 all rely on or experiment with curve cycles (e.g. Pallas-Vesta, Pasta curves). These are very much active research areas with ongoing implementation in projects like Zcash, Mina and Polygon Zero. So the idea that Monero would be alone in this space is factually wrong, curve-cycle-based recursion is the frontier of privacy-preserving proofs.
>>61098158>churningchurning harms privacy because you need to perfectly time the churn transactions. the correct timing distribution is both unknown and changing. black marble attacker was churning his coins and was identified because of it. see the problem?>curve-cycle-based recursion is the frontier of privacy-preserving proofssure but that's not what we are talking about here. FCMP++ is a completely unrelated application of curve cycles - replacing Merkle tree accumulator. nobody else is doing that.
>>61098244>churning harms privacy because you need to perfectly time the churn transactions. the correct timing distribution is both unknown and changing. black marble attacker was churning his coins and was identified because of it. see the problem?Churning doesn't work yet you can't point to hordes of DNM admins or other obvious targets that should have fallen victim to EAE attacks by now.>FCMP++ is a completely unrelated application of curve cycles - replacing Merkle tree accumulator. nobody else is doing that.They still leverage the same algebraic principle of curve cycles. So it’s a novel use, not a completely separate domain. Specifically, the application (constant-size recursive accumulator) is novel while the underlying math (curve cycles) is well-established and widely explored.The Monero devs have a proven track record of not rushing, not deploying code that hasn't been thoroughly audited for soundness. So the insinuation that they would deploy "untested" curve-cycle cryptography prematurely ignores a decade-long pattern of conservative engineering and formal auditing.If you're pinning your lambo fantasies on them fucking up FCMP++ somehow then you're gravely delusional. Here's the bottom line for ya: as long as Zcash continues to operate a dual-pool system where funds and transactions remain outside the shielded pool its privacy guarantees will remain fragmented and opt-in, leaving Monero's default, gold-standard mandatory privacy model unchallenged. Zcash's insistence on keeping t-addresses keeps it anchored to the same structural weakness it has struggled with for nearly a decade: the inability to do things by the book. Optional privacy is a bad look and keeps Zcash a punchline in the privacy space.
The bottom line is this: all the drug dealers still exclusively use Monero, not Zcash. Therefore, it's the better privacy coin. It really is that simple.
Thoughts on zcash shielded assets (ZSAs)?
>>61099181>Thoughts on zcash shielded assets (ZSAs)?Unnecessary complexity on top of a compromised protocol. There's a reason why we don't want that kinda shit for Monero.
>>61091913>What happened to these threads man? Where are all the infographs?>>61092078>OP was exposed as a glowie.how?>>61092189>The old OP accused anyone that was in favor of using XMR as an investment of being a fed/moonfag/etcthat's been the standard in this general forever>>61092230>Thread has been hijacked.>>61092359>Moonboy enshittification. They hijacked the general promising the moon but ended up killing its soul. OP did all the infographics and curated the resource lists so now we can't have those or other nice things anymore.well did he get banned or what? most of that list didn't need constant curating anyways maybe 5/7 of those have been the same links for years. only thing that needed constant updating is swaps services, DNM and maybe a couple other things. no one else will bake that way or what? WTF happened?
>>61090262>Bette privacy?>lol ztrash shills go suck Mossad in your threadhoudiniswap desu
>>61099422The thread you're currently in was made by the hijacker. He hates Monero's current agorist culture and clearly stated he wants to kill it to replace it with NGU/moonfag culture. It started right around the time Qubic launched the attack on Monero a few weeks ago which is kinda sus. He might also be behind the recent ZEC thread spam after whining here about how it's popular on twitter but us not giving a fuck.OG OP is not banned.
>>61097988>for EAE style attacks critical data is the transaction graph and ring sigs simply fall short.EAE attacks don't require analyzing the transaction graph? They just need collusion between E and E. To analyze the transaction graph to the point where an EAE attack can be successful beyond some retard immediately swapping between exchanges, you need to obtain the view keys and key images. Moonstone Research was given these things to trace the outputs of the hacked CCS wallet, and were only able to determine that the true spend was PROBABLY ring 2, but they can't know for sure without the exchanges/swap services checking for the transaction history.https://moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-Hack.htmlAnd yet they still have no idea what addresses (thanks to steath addresses) or amounts (thanks to bulletproofs) or ip addresses (thanks to dandelion) were involved. Sounds like ring signatures work just fine for what they're supposed to do.
>>61099583>It started right around the time Qubic launched the attack on Moneromakes sense>OG OP is not bannedok good, thank you for the QRD. figured he wasn't but you never really know how deep the gayop goes sometimes
>>61099181private stablecoins, the ultimate killer app.
>>61099422>well did he get banned or what?No, seems he just stopped caring and peaced out. >no one else will bake that way or what? WTF happened?Nobody else cares enough to. OP was obsessive with curating resources and producing infographics. The moonies here are either too lazy or too incapable of matching that degree of autistic enthusiasm so we end up with these lackluster generals.>>61099751>private stablecoins, the ultimate killer app.Another z-cope that collapses under its own contradictions. Predictable stability demands transparency, regulation and redeemability through identifiable custodians, while privacy requires the opposite: concealment of users, balances and flows. You can't have a coin that's both fully private and fully compliant with the fiat infrastructure it relies on to stay pegged. If it's custodial, privacy destroys auditability while if it's algorithmic privacy hides fragility. The result is a paradox: the more private a stablecoin becomes, the less stable or legal it can be. Far from a "killer app," it's a fucking impossibility, literally an attempt to fuse two design goals that mutually exclude each other. And now you know why MoneroChads have no interest in such bells and whistles. Doesn't pass the smell test.
>>61100127Just want to add to this.Allowing custom tokens within the shielded pool (ZSAs) still doesn't address Zcash’s fundamental privacy weakness: that shielding remains optional. As long as t-addresses and transparent value transfers persist ZEC’s anonymity set remains fragmented, meaning the privacy of ZSAs will still depend on how many users actually use them. Monero’s advantage isn’t just its technology stack but also its social contract: privacy is default, fungibility is enforced and (soon) the anonymity set encompasses the entire chain. ZSAs, on the other hand, risk compounding Zcash’s already impressive complexity without resolving its core asymmetry between public and private usage. In practice, they might make Zcash look more feature-rich (useful for suckering in clueless noobs), but until the network achieves full shielded-by-default operation and consistent liquidity inside that pool, ZSAs won’t close the gap with Monero because Monero will still be the only one of the two chains doing privacy by the book.You boot licking niggers have been told since day fucking one that optional privacy is an instant deal-breaker for opsec-minded users that are deadly serious about their privacy yet here we are nearly 10 years later with no end in sight for the transparent pool. But hey, it keeps ZEC in Uncle Sam's good graces so all is well.
>>61099181>>61099751>Private stablecoinsLol. If it works then zcash will be executed like Terra was, or neutered like Maker was. The Fed isn't going to allow their pet project to have any competition, nor are they going to allow unapproved features to be added.
when moon
>>61101551it's time to make tiktok edits
>>61101561TikTok is the opposite of privacy
>>61101568someone need to become their messiah
>>61086509How do I swap now that glowfags took down tradeogre? I hate them so much bros
>>61102553Orangefren or Trocador
>>>/wsg/5997586It's ogre guys
>>61091913There was a big fight between the moonfags and the regular XMR users. The moonfags started making their own, false generals, everyone saw through it so they started reporting the real generals and now we tolerate this mess since the moonfags admitted to not having any reason for existence besides fighting regular XMR users. That also explains why so many totally real and cool people now shill zec since it made a little jump recently.
Being a non-moonchad was invented to cope with a shitty price action of the last 8 years. But the endgame is to become a top 5 coin.
>>61102832Personally, I stopped posting because I am too stupid to figure out how to use >>61102622now that Tradeogre is kill.
ZEC shill campaign really spending some money lately
>>61103272>stupid to figure out Have crypto, send to trocador/orangefren site, give them xmr address, receive xmr
>>61104027This will be worse than the suit fiasco.>December 31, 2025 11:59 PM ET>ZEC: $100>XMR: $309>Resolves Yes
>>61104027>ZEC shill campaign really spending some money latelyThey can't compete on actual usage so they gotta resort to wash trading and village feeding spammers instead.
we are in the verge of a global sovereign debt crisis. central banks and the rich are loading up on gold. BTC is next but its lack of fungibility and privacy will quickly become apparent. guess what happens after that.
>>61104027>ZEC shill campaign really spending some money latelystill not gonna outperferm houdiniswap
