Are we all fucked long term? AI is going to either be successful and wipe out 50% of white collar jobs. Blue collar workers think they’re safe, but the increase in labor supply is going to fuck their wages as well.Or AI will fail, and we will see the largest market crash in history.I’m not seeing a good way out of this frens
Become Amish.
>>61089225it's out of the bag, it won't fail by itself, the tech is useful you can run it offline right now without paying any shekels, but if ai gets the big corps by the balls with ai subscriptions to keep their business afloat then it is destined to fail as an ever expanding bubble that ties all of the big companies together increasing risk astronomically
AI is just like the 90s tech bubble. Some companies will be successful, but most will fail and will never give back a single cent.An excess of fiber optic cables were laid in the 90s; to this day there is still unused dark fiber that is not being used.>5090 will auction for pennies on the dollar after the big crash.
>>61089225AI will fail because it's failed to be productive respective to its cost. It'll still be used, maybe cut out some nothing jobs, but ultimately as a semi-useful tool. Nowhere near the amount required for big AI companies like OpenAI to even keep the lights on though.
How is ai so unprofitablefree labor is moneyberg's dream
>>61089569Power costs the size of a small country.
>>61089569human are the best efficient machines that existthey still havent even replaced the amazon warehouse workersbecause they cant
>>61089225AI in its current stage is already very useful, and it’s never getting worse. your welcome.
short answer: yeslong answer: yes
I live in east europe and I work an offshored remote american job. I already have a mortgage free apartment and $100,000 in the bank. I will inherit a house in the future too. I'm pretty much set for life already I could just work minimum wage and I'd sustain myself indefinitely on it so I am happening-proof although the scenario I prefer is AI bursting and the smug motherfuckers like Altman and Musk in the US crashing down.
>>61089225I dont care for this AI shit. I am worried about a sinking world population aka. global depression with zero returns on invested capital. We will never make it, we will have to wage till we die.
>>61089569because AI doesn't create anythingit just shit copies from an existing data baseAI cannot create anything of value
>>61089225They'll have androids doing blue collar jobs too. Human plebs in general are obsolete.
>>61089569>How is ai so unprofitableThe technology has a 3-5% error rate on a good day. Why does that matter? In the 50 years of mass computing up to this point the iron axiom was, the computer doesn't make errors. Throughout my whole career human error was very much a thing but we'd never blame the computer. Now here you have this super duper technology thats fucking wrong 5% of the time. Thats an acceptable margin of error if you're doing homework you are probably fine but for engineering work, medicine and anything people get paid for this is absolutely unacceptable. A non-deterministic computer that gives you different outputs for the same input is just not a tool you can rely on for anything its fucking garbage. It is the funniest technology I've seen in my life because its so close to being an absolute game changer and yet theres this tiny bit that unsolved renders it useless for most things.
>>61089892No, Cyborgs.
>>61089225I think AI will fail, mostly because they won't be able to earn the returns, and even if they actually start to attack some jobs, it will likely be legislated to prevent it. Boomers and women hold too much influence for it to go the other way.
>>61089225>the increase in labor supplyHuh? You literally need a license to practice most trades.
>>61089225>Are we all fucked long term?On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.It’s in the header of your favorite blogger, the Zero Hedge guy.
>>61089881It doesnt copy from a database. It applies a function to your input to generate a novel output.
>>61089225>but the increase in labor supply is going to fuck their wages as well.Are you actually retarded.Wages for existing jobs will go up, a LOT.Automation means prices come down, meaning the same wage can buy more things, effectively increasing your wage.Why do AI fearmongering luddite retards never talk about this?
>>61089513>unused dark fiberI find this unlikely given the amount of overbuilds and new ftth with new backbones have gone forward in the past decade. Maybe it's region dependent but the fiber counts laid 20 years ago are a fraction of what's common place today.
>>61089927The hallucinations are a pretty fundamental issue with AI implementation that I don’t think will be solved since it’s all based on probability and statistics. For applications where the desired solution space is fuzzy (think creative fields) it’s probably good enough. For things where even a small error will be unacceptable or catastrophic you will always need knowledgeable humans double checking it. It’s also terrible at understanding complex issues in code that go beyond surface level syntax. I have a code base with thousands of source files that integrates with several other systems, without an understanding of these systems you can’t competently make any code changes. I’ve tried using Claude code to fix bugs and it confidently gives me solutions that are extremely basic and won’t work. And when AI actually does produce a working solution it’s always after repetitive prompting after it confidently gives the wrong solution 5 times in a row. I don’t see how anyone is getting replaced with this shit.The thing I love about AI is how it reveals people’s IQ. The most retarded and greedy individuals are the ones with the best things to say about it.
>>61090075>The thing I love about AI is how it reveals people’s IQ. The most retarded and greedy individuals are the ones with the best things to say about it.More like the lowest IQ economic illiterates are fearmongering about it.>its going to automate, destroy jobs and lower prices!!!Uhhhh this is bad why?
>>61090075>it confidently gives me solutions that are extremely basic and won’t workkek
>>61090037Yea wages tend to rise fastest when everyone is fighting for the same few jobs. Good observation >>61089959Implying millions of laid off white collar workers won’t spend the 6 months it takes to get a cert from a CC
>>61089927>The technology has a 3-5% error rate on a good day. Why does that matter?>In the 50 years of mass computing up to this point the iron axiom was, the computer doesn't make errors. Throughout my whole career human error was very much a thing but we'd never blame the computer.>Now here you have this super duper technology thats fucking wrong 5% of the time. Thats an acceptable margin of error if you're doing homework you are probably fine but for engineering work, medicine and anything people get paid for this is absolutely unacceptable. A non-deterministic computer that gives you different outputs for the same input is just not a tool you can rely on for anything its fucking garbage. It is the funniest technology I've seen in my life because its so close to being an absolute game changer and yet theres this tiny bit that unsolved renders it useless for most things.Chatbots interference to answer questions, not explicit 1+1=2 hard logic. Hence why the answers aren't always accurate.1. Wrong tool.2. Using the demo mode of a chat bot isnt quite the same as purposefully building a model to create possible solutions to a specific task, such as finding possibly molecular shapes for a specific receptor pocket in someone's cells.3. You can build them to both infer and stick to specific hard rules for certain features. E.g. an AI chat bot won't tell you how to do a terrorism or sex crime. Likewise, you tell specifically fix a scientific modelling ai to not create a any bonding scenarios that are chemically impossible to begin with; e.g. several hydrogens bonded to a single carbon.4. The rate of progress they're undergoing is absolutely rocketing along, anyone who thinks otherwise is probably unfamiliar with the dial up age and earlier or computing.>MedicineDoctors use frigging codec cheatbooks for prescribing drugs that you could solve using literal logic level IC chips from the 80s. >Does symptom A exist?>Yes>Try this>Did that work?>No>Try this
>>61090124Lowering capital costs makes it much easier to create jobs though.Also when people only need to work one day a week, there are more job slots available for everyone else.
>>61090139>Also when people only need to work one day a week, there are more job slots available for everyone else.Oh yes how could I forget. When one person is able to do a weeks worth of work in a single day, companies start hiring in mass! Companies love to pay more than is absolutely necessary for labor.
it's always funny hearing people cope saying stuff like "it can't do this" "it can't do that" as if shit isnt fucking accelerating like crazy and all the money in the world is being spent on itat the very least we'll have deepfake scandals that lead to cryptographic verification of literally everything and your government id being tied to your internet id very, very soonif you cant see these horrible things coming you quite literally are not capable of abstract thought
Medicine. Literally quantum level impossible to perform with computers. But you can buy a copy of the cheat codes for $49.95.
>>61090037>Automation means prices come downLMAO this frog believes we are still in the industrial revolution
>>61089225Yes, the clock is ticking. You either make it by 2030 or you become part of the permanent underclass, doing hard labor until robots are good enough to replace you.
>>61090124>Implying millions of laid off white collar workers won’t spend the 6 months it takes to get a cert from a CCit's a 4 year apprenticeship that you have to apply for. it's not something anybody can just walk into or get a "cert" for. They're all in unions too, which get all of the work in an area, legally.
>>61090154Can it create a time machine? If not then it's trash
>>61090222what is it about my posts that attracts the most braindead glowie flamebait, cant you guys be more interesting or just let me do your job for you
>AI devalues white collar labor, forcing people into blue collar jobs>Several years of infrastructure and megaproject boom economy caused by the sudden surplus of labor>Blue collar labor is subsequently rapidly devalued as well>Surplus of underpaid blue collar workers leads to a "Union Boom" like in the 1930s, except this time there isn't an impending world war to stop it>Eventually white collar workers begin to unionize when they realize that in a world powered by ai, they too are also functionally blue collar>As the world turns increasingly blue, widespread political reform is enacted. The techno-chuds in power resist, which leads to massive violent uprisings worldwide>Eventually the technocrats give in, allowing AI use to be heavily restricted>Techno-Communism by 2040
>>61089569US infrastructure is 30-50 years out of date in many places and is bottlenecking everything
>>61090152>When one person is able to do a weeks worth of work in a single day, companies start hiring in massLiterally correct >Companies love to pay moreThey're paying the same amount, it's just that the price of goods people buy with their wages goes down.
>>61089225They said the industrial revolution would put people out of a job. Massive homelessness. Everything you are hearing today. Look out the agricultural revolution will put the hunter gatherers out of business.
>>61090171>automation will never happen again because uh reasonsLMAO>>61090287>>Techno-Communism by 2040People won't vote for their own enslavement lmao
>>61090342Why are there so many luddites in the world now?
I just think that people will adapt no matter what happens. AI is hella expensive though, so who knows if we'll be able to really use it in mass
>>61089589you can just print solar panels and batteries, and we're goodwell, some countries can
>>61090154>cryptographic verification of literally everythingMagic numbers can't verify reality, only other numbers.
>>61089225LLMs only exists to give current software engineers superpowers. AI as is, only exists for optimization. The software engineer killer turned out to be the software engineer apotheosis.Non code fags will never be able to use LLMs like a software engineer. Also, i'm with high expectations on the AI bubble imminent pop.
>>61089569>How is ai so unprofitable>free labor is moneyberg's dreamYou need a fucking dedicated nuclear power plant to power the datacenters. It can't replace any of the jobs kikes WANT to replace. Currently can almost fully replace RRHH, but kikes will never get rid of their adult daycare center harem, same with secretaries and nearly all women focused jobs.
>>61089225We have to keep the wagies in their cagies!!
>>61089927>It is the funniest technology I've seen in my life because its so close to being an absolute game changer and yet theres this tiny bit that unsolved renders it useless for most things.Well said
here's a simple way to look at it. I use AIs almost every day but I wouldn't pay for them
>>61089569pseudo random word salads =/= labor
>>61090287sorry to burst ur bubble but they'd sooner subsidize a 50% population class of useless eaters than they would give up a golden goose and relinquish power to the plebs.>give them the free money generated by ai corpos>start depopulation campaigns (already underway since at least 2000)>the parasitic plebs die off completely in at most 3 generations, increasing corpo profit with every dead parasitic pleb>import retarded indians to do tasks ai isnt viable for/jobs where the upper elite demand human interaction>too dumb to challenge the system, too dumb to organize any real rebellion, and if they were ever to do so, delete them and replace them with more jeets eager to serve the technocratic eliteneo-feudal technocorpo serfdom is more in the cards than techocommunism
