literally why zcash shills exist when monero is better in all ways?is it because shills just want to make some money and their defense mechanism for coping with losing money is ">muh fungibility" and it is basically impossible to make profits with monero?Is it because matter of fact monero is shit? i want to hear why monero is shit and why zcash is better
monero is objectively stinky poo poo while zcash is like a stronk financial protector
>>61117138why
>>61117120>literally why zcash shills exist when monero is better in all ways?The village is hungry.
>>61117168>whysocrates asked that annoying little question so much they decided to kill him
>>61117120Bro there's a XMR general thread, like 10 ZEC threads, a ton of resources online. And you want us to spoonfeed you shit. Just look it up yourself.XMR is obviously superior in every way but if you don't actually spend the time to convince YOURSELF of that fact it's useless to even state it.
>>61117120Monero is a utility, it's not for growing wealth
>>61117183xmr will never gain adoption. i'm here to make money not join a stupid baggies club
>R&D Engineering Manager at Electric Coin Company>is a troonpic relatedpic related
>>61117192retard>>61117188also retard
>>61117196bullish
>>61117197Kys moonfag. You'd be spit on in the XMR general
>>61117197i bet you didn't know this but xmr baggots literally don't care about money, they're unironically in it for the tech. kek
>>61117177why>>61117171based>>61117188yah that's what im saying xd
>>61117120>literally why zcash shills existBecause they are paid, you would know as you're paid to post this very thread in order to create artificial controversy
>>61117252imagine thinking shilling to the 10 people who browse this mongolian basket weaving forum would be effective
>>61117252i see. i was genuinely curious on why there were so many zcash shils
>>61117120>when monero is better in all waysit's not and never has been. im not a zec shill but have liked the project since it's launch in 2016. monero's advantage in the early days was that it didn't use "moon math" or less battle tested cryptography, but it's been almost a decade of no (known) exploits on zcash.provided zcash's encryption is indeed crytpgraphically sound (ie, inflation exploits aren't possible), it's a superior crypto in every conceivable way to XMR.
>>61117270Nobody uses ZEC, you turd world shitcoin salesman. And Monero's next upgrade ditches ring signatures and gives it by far the largest anonymity set.
>optional privacy>20% dev tax>viabtc owns most of the hashrate>2 companies run the whole thing>no real usage, no adoptionladies and gentlemen, the ultimate privacy coin
>>61117303xmr is great if you're looking to buy kiddie porn. unfortunately xmr is useless if you are looking to preserve or build wealth. that's where zec steps in
>>61117120>integrity dao dips>like, violently>my chest tightens>then reverses harder, full vertical>my eyes water from relief>this isn’t investing, this is abuse>and i love it
>>61117196for some reason all the smart autists are trannies but who cares if they write good code
>>61117303the same way no one uses BTC. it's for storing offshore wealth. something you don't have, so no need to waste your time in this thread, move along now.
>>61117120Need a good easy way to buy xmr in Canada now that it's not unavailable on Kraken .
>>61117508just buy zec
And then there is FIRO which has even better tech than Monero. Severely undervalued too.
>>61117258Alright I bought what was left of my kraken funds with it a measly 8 leafbux. Monero's nice since I can transfer it to a personal wallet and then use it to buy drugs lol. Zec might be fun to speculate on for now but nobody accepts it as payment.
>>61117508>Need a good easy way to buy xmr in Canada now that it's not unavailable on Kraken .now that it's unavailable on Kraken*
>>61117325>>61117453How's the weather in Nigeria?
>>61117657I know your brain lacks many folds, but the fact that some random African in some literal who village is shilling Zcash is the most bullish thing ever. it's the same reason BTC will probably never die and is the most popular brand on Earth. The more these villages know about Zcash the higher we will go.
>>61117674>the fact that some random African in some literal who village is shilling Zcash is the most bullish thing ever.Africans shilling me something always inspires confidence.
>>61117674Except the truth is that this entire push was probably orchestrated by Nigerians. X is going to add origin flags to each profile, will be interesting to see who’s pushing this bs the most.
>>61117508buy ltc, swap to xmr
>>61117325/threadXMR is forever tainted. No institution will touch it.
>>61117657 >>61117197Notice how monero moonfags always just name-call and never have an actual rebuttal. It's sad because people in Monero for the utility are okay with it crabbing forever and don't sperg out randomly
>>61117303>And Monero's next upgrade ditches ring signatures and gives it by far the largest anonymity set.mathematically speaking it's anonymity set can't be greater than ZECs, coins are minted into it's shielded pool which leaks far less metadata. you XMR shills have been coping so hard about "muh next upgrade" for yearsand no, not a zec shill, I've never purchased or held it aside from when mining, where I sold it at the end of the month. (just needed a miner for free heat for an indoor farm at one point)
>>61118426>never have an actual rebuttalNobody actually uses ZEC. All you Nigerian trannies have is the "smart money is accumulating" meme everybody defaults to when shilling. >>61118444>mathematically speaking it's anonymity set can't be greater than ZECs, coins are minted into it's shielded pool which leaks far less metadata.Zcash anonymity set = total number of outputs in the shielded pool only. Outputs in transparent pool don't count.Monero anonymity set (with FCMP) = total number of outputs on the entire blockchain. No transparent pool means every single new output grows the anonymity set.Monero already has more outputs in total than ZEC's shielded pool by orders of magnitude. Also, because Monero has waaaay more active users its anon set will grow that much faster than ZEC's.Another example of how optional privacy is sub-par privacy.
>>61117120>is it because shills just want to make some moneyYes, the moonfags in the xmr generals realized they can't get anywhere so now they try to take over zcash and pretend it's xmr
>>61117320privacy is always optional in the sense that even with XMR you can elect to send a transparent ledger coin like BTC. ZEC just enables both types of sends in one blockchain. I agree with the rest of your points though - the PR for ZEC was terrible and the team shot themselves in the foot then face. If it was released anonymously like BTC with no gay shit attached, it’s be a perma top 5 coin. Mathematically and cryptographically speaking it’s better privacy than XMR. But socially it’s dogshit which is why it’s been a deadbeat.
>>61118831The “anonymity set” of a coin in the shielded pool is the whole chain, every coin is mined straight into the shielded pool. There is no metadata leakage in Zcash, unlike with XMR. That’s what this comes down to. Even if there were only say 5 coins in the shielded pool, you could never deduce who was transacting between each other within the pool - ZEC is fundementally different and superior to XMR in this manner in that there is no shuffling or obfuscation, just ZKP.
>>61118831What you monerotards needs to understand is that ZEC is essentially two different blockchains in one. When you complain about it having transparent addresses and imply this somehow affects the privacy of the shielded pool transactions, it’s EXACTLY analogous to someone thinking the fact that BTC is transparent makes XMR vulnerable. And building on that analogy, XMR cannot fix bad op sec like using it as a passthrough (BTC->XMR->BTC in rapid succession) in the same ZEC is vulernable to this.The analysis therefore is between Z-Z (shielded to shielded txs) vs XMR txs, in which case ZEC just objectively speaking fundementally reveals less information. In that sense, and when evaluated in this manner, it’s a superior coin. THAT SAID, I don’t hold any because the team has been the worse thing for the coin since inception.
>>61119605>>61119659>>61119617Also, Zcash has optimal privacy TODAY, while you XMR cultist are forever hung on some “next big thing” (looks like now it’s ‘FMCP’)
>>61117120I'd buy dash before I ever buy Zcash and Dash is fucking shit
>>61117192>xmr will never gain adoptionNobody tell him lol
>>61119924two more weeks
>>61119617>The “anonymity set” of a coin in the shielded pool is the whole chain, every coin is mined straight into the shielded pool.Nice try but no. Coins aren't spent, outputs are. Only transactions that remain fully within the shielded pool (z -> z) contribute to and benefit from the global anonymity set.Transparent ZEC = BTC and we all know what BTC's anonymity set is.>ZEC is fundementally different and superior to XMR in this manner in that there is no shuffling or obfuscation, just ZKP.No its not, the only difference between current XMR and shielded ZEC is that XMR still references the output being spent. With FCMP that is deprecated and then XMR = shielded ZEC.Actually, no, at that point XMR privacy overtakes ZEC due to its vastly larger anonymity set, vastly larger user base and default sender IP auto-shielding. Yes, ZEC still leaks sender IP addresses!!!>>61119659>When you complain about it having transparent addresses and imply this somehow affects the privacy of the shielded pool transactions,The transparent pool weakens privacy guarantees by making accidental unshielded TXs possible. Not to mention it limits the growth of the anonymity set.>it’s a superior coin. And yet those with the greatest need for transactional privacy refuse to touch it. Shit, hardly anybody actually uses it.>>61119717>Also, Zcash has optimal privacy TODAYkek optimal privacy would be no transparent pool >“next big thing” (looks like now it’s ‘FMCP’)Pretending FCMP is vaporware isn't going to save you. Code is done, testnet is live, hardfork is next year. Enjoy what little time you have left with ring signatures.
>>61119931Two more weeks until what? Total adoption on dnm? That was OVER 5 YEARS ago years ago lmao. Xmr won the privacy coin race. Period. I say this as somebody that has no xmr
>>61119983two more weeks
>>61119956enjoying remaining a brainlet a guess. a good faith study into the protocols of both would reveal the truth
>>61119983Nobody wants ur scam bytecoin fork retard.
>>61119956You are just completely glossing over the fact that Z-Z is objectively superior in terms of metadata leakage to XMR. Like I said, it’s a superior protocol and the rest of your argument hinges on bad OPsec with t addresses, which I already addressed using the analogy. you cannot see IP on a shielded zec… fundementally XMR relies on obfuscation because it leaks metadata that Zcash avoids leaking at all.
>>61120074yeah xmr is trash
>>61119956The debate is put to a rest when you acknowledge that XMR regularly has analysis done that can reasonably decrypt transaction metadata, but on Zcash, between shielded addresses, this simply has not happened. Unless the fundamental crypto is broken (ie math js bad) it’s better. The rest of your argument revolves around poor OPsec and misuse, which ZEC can’t fix anymore than XMR can fix BTC.
>>61119956You’re also misunderstanding the anonymity set of zec, coins are minted straight into the shielded pool.Having more users does not imply anonymity in the way you think it does.
>>61117120Zcash is hacker money for users that think their browsers incognito mode offers privacy
>>61119956Just look at the tables in this study for example https://arxiv.org/html/2109.07634v3XMR sucks, it’s over, pack it up. You lost
>>61117258Paid shill are everywhere and yes it's effective, there's even a known shill group that sells its service specifically to shill here, they even have meme templates they adapt to every coin they shill
>>61119956What that paper points out too that you don’t seem to understand is that this about metadata leakage, not anonymity set size. A “larger anonymity set” doesn’t immediately equal better privacy. This is why I’ve expressed the lower usage of the shielded pool isn’t necessarilyProblematic, since metadata ultimately isn’t being leaked
>>61120213>that obvious satire paperWew, reading through this thread you had me going there for a minute10/10 bait, high effort
I'm thinking about selling all my xmr for zcash, where do I start? Where do I download the node software for zcash? Is privacy in zcash enabled by default? I'm tired of tankies in monero cryptobros, I want to make profits. Profit is good and fair, it frees you from wageslavery.
>>61120554not an argument
>>61120206What is the use of xmr if price does not moon? You will still lose money to inflation, so being robbed of your future by statism. In the end it is the same effect of paying taxes.
>>61118831>Nigerian tranniesYeah you lost moonboy
I got in because Naval put his street creds on the line to shill this. Pic is my make it stack.>>61121082Zashi, you'll have to figure out the rest by yourself.
