> tech and manufacturing jobs are outsourced> Americans no longer have jobsThen how will big corpos even make money when Americans can no longer goods and services?
>>61218218> longer afford
>>61218218Klarna
>tech abd manufacturing Those jobs were all corporate retard, look it upAmazon has 1.5 million employees total, 300k or so which are corporate
>>61218365>KlarnaACK
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>>61218218I work in tech. It's the worst I've ever seen it in the past 15 years, including post-GFC. You're no longer "safe" if you're a top performer, and the job market is absolutely flooded. I wouldn't even bother joining this industry now without connections unless it's to start your own business.Fun fact, prior to the layoff-palooza of 2022-2023, Indeed used to show you how many people applied for a job. That functionality went away during that time, presumably because every job posting looked like pic related after a week, which discouraged people from using Indeed.US Tech will eventually collapse when the AI bubble bursts. More people should start their own companies since the capital costs to run software are actually pretty low if you know what you're doing.
>>61221357>dude code your own blender>10 million loc is nothing dude
>>61221357>he thought getting paid $380k/yr to perpetually update a """web app""" was a sustainable long-term career
>>61221702>TFW my job will never dissappear as i’m a leech to policy.
>>61221556>>61221702>software is impossibly hard and you can never do it on your own>software is overpaid and you do nothingBoth of you faggots can't be right.Also, nobody is breaking $380k outside of a handful of Google etc. engineers. Most developers will never get over $170k-180k in their career and quite a few are well below that. You can literally make more than the average developer in the US managing the food service counter at a Buc-ee's.
>>61221760>food service and car wash 19$>team lead 18$how does that make any sense
>>61218218>Then how will big corpos even make money when Americans can no longer goods and services?I has on the hiring committee at my company when we were trying to find a mid-tier SRE with Azure experience (this is in Seattle and a full-time, WFH position).We got over 5,000 resumes. Almost all of them were from pajeets looking for sponsorship, with the remainder either having no cloud experience, or devs looking to role-shift -- with no cloud experience. A shit-ton of them were obviously AI generated. Those hit the recycle bin first.We ended up hiring a guy who interviewed as a perfect fit for the job. The guy who came on camera on Monday was NOT the guy we interviewed. Back to square one.There's a shit-ton of tech jobs in Seattle, but it's increasingly becoming a game of having a deep level of experience in an ultra-refined skill set. This is the only market I've ever seen -- and I've been doing this since the '80s -- where you're actually MORE employable as an experienced, older worker than a college grad.
Every corporate is just an excuse to run a ponzi scam in the form of stocks that pump to far more value than anything the company will ever produce. Worst case scenario is the business fails and the execs made millions.
>>61218218They will have to find other jobs obviously
>>61218218>Then how will big corpos even make money when Americans can no longer goods and services?They own the government and will just print bailout money eventually the US will become a slum country.
>>61218218>Then how will big corpos even make money when Americans can no longer goods and services?Through QE and 0% rates because high unemployment is deflationary
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>>61218218They should become traders on houdini instead, get the bag and flip big corp off
>>61221357linkedin pretends to still have that feature but it caps at "100+ people have clicked apply"
I just got hired for a remote dev job, big tech was always a trap, just work for random tech companies nobody has ever heard of that wrap their services into their own bullshit they sell to corposThen you don't have to work with Indian subhumans and can shrug when these big companies have outages and tell your customers it's not your problem
>>61218451>300k or so which are corporateis that a lot? that seems really highwhy does a business need 300,000 corporate workers?
>>61218218No on in data, predictions, or modeling understands how the US economy hasn't collapsed. At some point people run out of credit and default. costs have doubled in the last 5 years and wages are up 20% on average. Where is all the money coming from? Yeah the fed is dumping in trillions a year and that's going to keep driving inflation but just purely based on the numbers, fucking no one can afford anything yet absolutely everyone is getting takeout, new cars, house bullshit, the worksit has never been this bad in tech, and i remember 1999
>>61221844>2 jobs $19
>>61222004>MORE employable as an experienced, older worker than a college grad.I've noticed that too, and it's confusing. Why is it like this? Is AI legit putting new grads out of work? I thought that was a meme.
>>61222192Those jobs weren’t tech.>>61218451This.
>>61222192Wouldn't it be funny if the economy was online content creation being fueled by tech stock speculation?
>>61218218>make moneynone of it about money, it’s all about latent anti white hatred.once you get this it will all make sense. they just hate white people.>durr whos theyjews, progressives/liberals and their minority client groups who see flooding western nations as “karma”>solution????white ultranationalism.
Don't be silly. They have smartphones and refrigerators in the Third World. You and the bottom 90% of humanity are going to find themselves living in the Third World very soon. You will consume like a Third Worlder.
Hopefully people understand why Trump is trying so hard to bring manufacturing back to the states. He's full blown retarded, but he sees the problem with our entire country being tech companies sending each other trillions and slop bowls. The overwhelming majority of people in this country have jobs that are nothing more than designing and marketing slop to the richest people to consume. No one has any skills or intelligence. 99% of millennials can't even tell you what electricity is or how the PCB works on their phone
>>61221357Those numbers are meaningless because it's thousands of jeets that can't speak fluent English and don't have the minimum skills anyway. HR loves those numbers those
>>61223201>I've noticed that too, and it's confusing. Why is it like this? Is AI legit putting new grads out of work? I thought that was a meme.It looks like that. All the low-level stuff you're supposed to cut your teeth on is either farmed out, H1-B'd in, or AI removed. There's no bottom rung anymore. They also didn't grow up with hands on the tech itself as opposed to downloading apps on their phones, so they're doubly fucked.As an ancient-as-fuck, done-every-job-in-IT worker, I'm loving this shit. The chowderheads they hired at my company can't even figure out how "ls" works, much less how to do full-stack dev in a cloud-based CI/CD environment. All their shit constantly blows up, takes out prod (because that's where they're doing their testing), forces million-dollar outages, etc. They can't even figure out how Python works, so they fall back to doing shit in VBScript (and -- not making this up -- Perl) on Windows. SSH keys to these people are like black magic. Give 'em a command line and they basically shit themselves. That's the level of "talent" coming out of colleges these days -- some of these fuckers are even holding paper from UW and WSU.The WORST part is that they can't think their way out of a problem. Ask them how to solve a simple resource contention issue, and they're flailing away on ChatGPT trying to find the answer. They don't even know the right questions to ask. They don't know how the shit all works, much less how it all works together.AI will eventually replace me, I'm sure, but until it does, I'm riding this bitch for every cent it's worth.
>>61225541I just left WSU from a faculty research position. I believe every word you’ve said because I’ve witnessed the lack of critical thinking in the undergrads that were forced on me. The students were already cooked before they stepped foot in my lab, and there was nothing I could do to change it. I tried. We have a bleak future.
>>61225541Been a technical nigger for 25 years, Platform Engineer for major name for 4 years. Laid off in June. Can't find even a $60/hr contract, let alone a FT position. How find job?
>>61225541>>61225640You're not crazy and its not just CS-adjacent work either. I finished a PhD in chemical engineering in 2021 at a "Public Ivy" school in the Rockies, and the state of the undergrads was pretty sad. I had to TA for the gen chem lecture that all the chemistry and ChemE majors took, and the professor that ran the course showed me 20 years of test score data that he had collected since working there. Over time, you could see the grade distribution shift from a typical bell curve pattern to a bi-modal distribution. Basically nobody was a C-student anymore: you either failed or crushed it.His explanation was the university constantly pushing to drop entrance requirements into STEM programs, and that probably has something to do with it, but even some of my grad student cohort (which you would think was pulled from the top 10% of undergrads) was pretty useless. There was an MIT guy that apparently got a ChemE degree without knowing how to use a balance correctly. Oddly, despite going to a mid-tier public land grant university for my undergrad, neither I nor any of the people I knew that went to grad school dropped from their programs or had trouble with the graduate coursework. I'm starting to fear that schools that had a great technical pedigree are now too afraid to fail their cash cow students and have lost all rigor (at least at the undergrad level).
>>61222045>willthey already do
>>61225858> I'm starting to fear that schools that had a great technical pedigree are now too afraid to fail their cash cow students and have lost all rigor (at least at the undergrad level).I TAed for a 400 series undergrad class that was required for X major to graduate. I was told I wasn’t allowed to fail the students, so I gave everyone As. This experience is a major reason why I left academia: meritocracy is dead at an institutional level.
>>61225541>They can't even figure out how Python works, so they fall back to doing shit in VBScript (and -- not making this up -- Perl) on Windows. SSH keys to these people are like black magic. Give 'em a command line and they basically shit themselves. That's the level of "talent" coming out of colleges these days -- some of these fuckers are even holding paper from UW and WSU.I can do all these things and don’t work in tech and didn’t graduate highschool. Can I feel good about my skillset or is this bait to under represent tech grads skill sets?
>>61223201>>61225541Boomers have destroyed society so all money goes to tem, they know what they got, you're never gonna surpass em haha -ack!And then they keel over at 67 and the company is shit out of luck.
>>61218218>tech adjacent >Pwclol
>>61222004>we were trying to find a mid-tier SRE with Azure experience>devs looking to role-shift -- with no cloud experience>it's increasingly becoming a game of having a deep level of experience in an ultra-refined skill setI don't get this obsession with hiring people that have experience doing specific X thing, just hire someone competent and let them learn what they need to fulfill the role. If they've spent years at a company or got promoted during their time, chances are they're capable of learning new shit, but so many people just discard them because they don't have specific experience doing X. When all it takes is a few weeks or months at most to get the experience they need for X.I swear it takes longer to find a "perfect" candidate, and cost a fuck ton more, than it does to get a lesser experienced one ramped up.Why the fuck are employers so picky and gay about this? Why are they so scared of hiring good devs that take some time to get ramped up?
>>61218218>Companies import Indians for cheap labor.>Remove H1B visas>Companies move jobs to India for cheap labor.Don't forget that AI stands for Actually Indian.
>>61225667>How find job?How are your cloud skills? Containers? AI? If you're not alreadyt, skill up in all of the above.PE is a good foundation for a hybrid SRE/Architect role.I hunt for mid-sized, non-technical companies. I got lucky. In the job before the one I'm at now I had to architect and implement HIPAA/FISMA compliant cloud infrastructure in AWS, so that kicked open the door to healthcare companies. Moved to a mid-sized health insurance company that was looking to modernize, so I was the perfect fit. Cut forward to last year and I have to shoehorn AI into our customer support/legal/compliance/claims processing departments. Every step of the way, I've looked for ways to make myself more and more employable and more valuable to the company I work for.Don't sweat the shit you're going through now. It's cliche, but make that time work for you. You'll get there. Good luck, man
>>61227041>I can do all these things and don’t work in tech and didn’t graduate highschool. Can I feel good about my skillset or is this bait to under represent tech grads skill sets?You and I are in the exact same boat: I dropped out in the 10th grade and faked my mom's signature on the college admittance form for the local community college.You should be damned proud of your skills set. I hope it's serving you well.
>>61222004>you're actually MORE employable as an experienced, older worker than a college grad.Wow just like any other industry
